John Lennon and Yoko Ono.......WTF!

[Barking Spider]

Whats up with this pairing? John Lennon, as the frontman for the most successful rock band in history, could have had damn near any woman he desired. Instead, he picks an unattractive(in my opinion) woman.
Did Yoko Ono have some kind of psychological hold over Lennon? Surely he did'nt love her because of her looks! Also, having seen interviews with Ono, her intelligence seems only about average.

[Sir Rhosis]

Beauty is in. . . oh, Jesus, why even f-ing bother with this OP.

Sir Rhosis

[Rodd Hill]

Mafeking has been relieved!!

[jabe]

Also, having read the OP, your intelligence seems only about average.

Love is a strange thing, my friend. A Victoria's Secret model she aint, but to John she was a very beautiful person.


peace,
JB

[Barking Spider]

My point was'nt really to judge Yoko Ono on her looks.

I just think that theirs was a very unusual pairing.

[Sir Rhosis]

Spider,

Perhaps I was too crass with you, sorry, it's been a trying day. People have different tastes. I personally find myself attracted to women most of the world world consider twenty-five pounds overweight (curves!) and with short hair. These two things may repulse you. So be it.

Your OP was phrased poorly and flippantly, imho, which is why you may not get serious replies.

Did Yoko have a psychological hold over John? Yeah, I think it's called love, plus I believe a case has been made that he treated her somewhat as a lover/mother figure, she being older than he.

Sir Rhosis

[RealityChuck]

Lennon has spoken about it, and what attracted him most to Yoko was her mind. She was a very interesting conceptual artist, and not particularly stupid, and John fell in love with her partly because of the way she looked at the world.

[Violet]

Lennon was not an extremely handsome man, IMHO, either. But re: Yoko, I thought she looked pretty good in those older photos with her very long hair.

[Torgo]

Did you know? One time? John and Yoko? Got naked? And they put their picture? On a record album cover? And you could see everything? Even their naughty bits?

[SpaceGhostofArrakis]

Barking Spider

Do I know you? Do you go to TAMU?

[Barking Spider]

SpaceGhost- No, I dont go to TAMU, whatever that is.

[Sam Stone]

Barking Spider: Of COURSE you were attacking her for her looks. Don't try to weasel out. If she was exactly the same person, only she looked like Heather Locklear, you wouldn't have asked the question.

I don't know what Lennon saw in her, for the simple reason that I don't know her. For all I know, she's a lovely mother and a wonderful, warm person. Or maybe she's an avante-garde nutcase and happened to feed John's ego. Or maybe there's something else entirely. At the time Lennon met her, she was a fairly well known 'artist'. I put 'artist' in quotes because I don't think she had any talent at all, but this was the 60's, and there was no quality control. She also appeared to worship him.

I'm guessing that you're pretty young. Get some experience with women, and you'll discover that looks are nice, but the most beautiful woman in the world will make your life hell if she's a horrible person, and the most unattractive woman can make your life wonderful if she has other traits that complement yours and has a warm heart. But granted, it takes a long time for people to learn that, and some never do.

[pepperlandgirl]

I think that Yoko has a very attractive figure. But as others pointed out, that's not the point. She is an extremely intelligent woman. She has successfully managed the Lennon Estate and when John was "taking time off" to raise Sean, Yoko dealt with all the business arrangements in their life. As others mentioned, she's also quite the conceptial artist. Furthermore, they were on the same level. They had a lot of things in common, they had the same ideals of world peace, love, etc.
All in all, I'd say they were perfect for each other. We should all be so lucky.

[Hemlock]

Originally posted by Barking Spider
Surely he did'nt love her because of her looks!

People don't love people because of their looks. IMO she was very attractive indeed in her younger days, but I've been in Asia for a long time and find women with vast quantities of blonde hair, huge teeth and massive boobs a complete turn off (well, I can live with the boobs I guess :)).

[jabe]

pepperlandgirl: I see you dont harbor the 'I hate Yoko' sediments that a lot of rabid Beatles fans do. Good for you. I don't think Yoko should be blamed for the Beatles breakup...and I am glad they broke up when they did...look at how pathetic the Stones are these days :)


peace,
JB

[Fenris]

One thing I'd read somewhere was Yoko was the only woman John met who stood up to him. As the OP stated, John could have had just about any woman he wanted. At first, I suspect it was a novelty to him to A) meet someone smart enough to keep up with him and B) who didn't put up with bullsh*t. But it clearly grew beyond that into a serious long-term (what...10? 12? year) relationship.

Fenris

[pepperlandgirl]

Technically 12, but they broke up for about a year (I believe) because of John's "lost weekend". He was pretty messed up in the early 70s. They reconciled at an Elton John concert. My memory is shaky on the details, but I'm thinking 72. Incidentally Elton John is Sean Lennon's Godfather.

Of course I don't blame Yoko for the break-up. That is a very simplistic view of what happened, and I usually doubt the intelligence of people who actually believe it was all her fault.

Homer Simpson: Yoko Ono!? Humf, she ruined the Plastic Ono Band.
:D

[Guinastasia]

I thought it was some guy saying I got Paul out of Wings, and Homer decked him saying, He was the best one!

BTW, it was actually PAUL who first made the split with the group. From what I hear, the other three were so pissed they drove by Paul's house or whatever and John threw a rock through the window.


Besides, if it wasn't Yoko, it would've been something else. That was just an excuse.

[pepperlandgirl]

Heh, Guin I never heard the one about the rock through the window.
According to the Anthology, they all took turns quitting the band. Paul was the last one to do so, but the first to do it publically. Ringo quit and the others talked him into coming back, then George, then John. Each time they came back. Paul quit, only he released a solo album when he did and announced he was leaving the group. The timing kinda took the other 3 by surprise.

[jaimest]

From listening to Double Fantasy, I gather they had a fairly rocky relationship...but sometimes those are the strongest kind.

I remember hearing Yoko say that she wasn't really into the Beatles when she met John, and didn't even know who he really was. If thats true, maybe John was just relieved to meet a woman who wasn't fawning over him like most other young women were doing then.

Trust me, that can get irritating ;)

[Mudshark]

I think it was just that they both loved each other. I agreee that Yoko loodeg somewhat attractive in the 60s and 70s. They were both very smart people who shared similar viewpoints, and got along.

[Sam Stone]

When John met Yoko he was already married and already had a child (Julian).

[Mudshark]

Originally posted by Sam Stone
When John met Yoko he was already married and already had a child (Julian).

Yoko was a better match for John than Cynthia.

[MyFootsZZZ]

Originally posted by Sam Stone
Barking Spider: Of COURSE you were attacking her for her looks. Don't try to weasel out. If she was exactly the same person, only she looked like Heather Locklear, you wouldn't have asked the question.

I don't know what Lennon saw in her, for the simple reason that I don't know her. For all I know, she's a lovely mother and a wonderful, warm person. Or maybe she's an avante-garde nutcase and happened to feed John's ego. Or maybe there's something else entirely. At the time Lennon met her, she was a fairly well known 'artist'. I put 'artist' in quotes because I don't think she had any talent at all, but this was the 60's, and there was no quality control. She also appeared to worship him.

I'm guessing that you're pretty young. Get some experience with women, and you'll discover that looks are nice, but the most beautiful woman in the world will make your life hell if she's a horrible person, and the most unattractive woman can make your life wonderful if she has other traits that complement yours and has a warm heart. But granted, it takes a long time for people to learn that, and some never do.


I would hate to nitpick, but first of all you're kind generalizing "beautiful women" ... it's the same thing only with role reversal. Are you speaking from your own experiences? Now I know you said "most" and that's at least not singling out all pretty gals. I DO recognize that.

Second, who's to say what's "attractive" and "unattractive"? Look at Sir Rhosis for example... he likes women a little bigger. I think more people would find that they like fetchers outside of the "norm" and that a lot of what we consider beautiful comes from growing up with and being told what it is.

It's funny... I think a woman's personality has a lot to do with how good they look. I know some women who wouldn't look nearly as good if they lost weight. The extra baby fat really... kind of... works for them, because of their personalities. There are some slender women I think are pretty too, just because they seem to know themselves and their body better.

I also like a few weird things: SNORING! GEEKY glasses! Plain! Someone who gets a runny nose in the cold (I'm serious... pretty f*cked huh?) No Makeup! All that and I don't even THINK about chest sizes (no real preference, although I don't like them that big). Some like more flat chested women (they're in the closet) and some like XX large.

Now I know there's a scientific reason why we have a general type of beauty... has to do with reproduction. But I don't think that science works for everyone. After all gays and lesbians stand no chance of reproducing (without help), yet they are out there.

[Labdad]

About fifteen years ago, I actually met Yoko and had the opportunity to sit down and chat with her for 10 or 15 minutes. She was remarkably engaging and perceptive, and in the course of our conversation mentioned something that had occured at my undergraduate school that I had forgotten about.

Lennon had been one of my heroes, so far be it from me to have questioned why he was so devoted to Yoko. But like many others, I, rather shallowly, had always thought of her as "that woman who broke up the Beatles." I don't know why I was surprised to discover that she was so charming, but she was.

[Typo Negative]

Originally posted by Mudshark
I think it was just that they both loved each other. I agreee that Yoko loodeg somewhat attractive in the 60s and 70s. I actually think she looks much better now than she did then.


But I'm wierd.

[pepperlandgirl]

John was married to Cynthia when he met Yoko in 1966. But he married her because he knocked her up, and he felt like it was his duty to marry her. I can't imagine they had much of a life together. He left right after they got married to go on a trip to Spain (without her) and then begin touring. In a way, he never really came back. Their marriage was doomed from day one. Which is really sad because Cynthia loved him, and of course, it really hurt Julian.

[Stoid]

I'd just like to thank Sam for not letting our host weasel out of his position as though it was never his position to begin with.

Putz.

[Guinastasia]

When I read the Playboy interviews with Lennon, right before his death, I remember how he kept saying that he and Julian were finally beginning to reconcile. That makes it all the more tragic, especially when you consider that Julian is VERY bitter towards his father-even today.

[waterj2]

I would hate to nitpick, but first of all you're kind generalizing "beautiful women" ... it's the same thing only with role reversal. Are you speaking from your own experiences? Now I know you said "most" and that's at least not singling out all pretty gals. I DO recognize that.
He was referring to a hypothetical, single, "most beautiful woman in the world".

Personally, I always envied Paul's relationship with Linda. And talk about being able to get any woman in the world, but settling for the one he loved, who may not have been the most incredible beauty to grace the earth.

And it's about time that Mafeking was relieved. Heh-heh.

[cornflakes]

I couldn't find the exact quote, but I think that John once said that everyone he knew when he met Yoko treated him as if he was "Elvis Beatle". Yoko was the first woman he met who related to him as a human being.

[capacitor]

To all of the Yoko haters: Paul admitted that it was his jealousy of Yoko getting John's attention, after Paul and John developed the most successful songwriting group in history, that eventually caused the breakup of the Beatles. It culminated into some really bad blood between him and John. The two reconciled before John's death. I believe that also tried to reconcile with Yoko during negotiations for the Northern Songs catalog, but Yoko, unsure whether Paul was sincere or just wanted financial backing for his bid, held off until Michael Jackson won the rights.

[Guinastasia]

Well, that points more to it being PAUL's problem, and not Yoko herself.

[pepperlandgirl]

When I first started seeing my husband, my sister hated him. He hated her. They were constantly fighting and bickering. Both of them drove me crazy. Finally I informed them that there was enough of me to go around, and they really didn't need to carry on like small children. After a few years they learned to share, and now they are good friends.
My point? Paul basically had John to himself since they were children. They were best friends, collaborators, probably as close to each other as any brothers. And then John had to run off and fall in love with Yoko. It wasn't Paul's problem. It wasn't Yoko's problem. It was their problem. Unfortunately neither one could suck it up and deal with it.

[OpalCat]

Originally posted by MyFootsZZZ
I would hate to nitpick, but first of all you're kind generalizing "beautiful women" ... it's the same thing only with role reversal. Are you speaking from your own experiences? Now I know you said "most" and that's at least not singling out all pretty gals. I DO recognize that.

Um, you seem to have misread the post. The line you're complaining about is this:

"...but the most beautiful woman in the world will make your life hell if she's a horrible person..."

Re-read that a few times and I think you'll understand your mistake.