View Full Version : Are any Afgan women involved in fighting
11-29-2001, 04:17 PM
I keep hearing american women commenting about how we have to get Afgan women involved in their government. One commented about there weren't any women involved in the current talks in Kabul to form a interum government.
Well if you are not willing to fight,hide your whole body under a table cloth,allow someone to treat you like that why would anyone want you to represent them?????
Are there any Afgan women that are even now trying to a stand on their own two feet?????
I haven't heard of any.
11-29-2001, 04:41 PM
Here's one, an Afghan woman General (http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/11/28/135523). Politically slanted story, but she is legit.
11-29-2001, 06:47 PM
Let me see, I can stand up for myself and die horribly, or I can cover up in this tablecloth and survive to protect my children...what a MARVELLOUS set of options. Pick me for that one.:rolleyes:
And yes, they are trying to stand on their own. Just last night there was a widow on the news (CBC) pleading for a job - now that she's allowed to have one. Plus these (http://rawa.false.net/index.html) lovely, courageous ladies.
11-29-2001, 07:50 PM
Let me see, I can stand up for myself and die horribly, or I can cover up in this tablecloth and survive to protect my children...what a MARVELLOUS set of options. Pick me for that one.
There is another option.Do like the men of the northern alliance have done. Fight.
Do you think that all of those men want to be away from their families???
Do you think any of them have died horribly?
Do you know they had NO field hospitals?
Do you think some of the women doctors that were not allowed to practice under the Taliban couldhave been helpful?
I haven't heard of any that have concerned themselves.Perhaps they felt protected under that tablecloth.
11-29-2001, 10:06 PM
I don't know about women that are currently fighting the Taliban. However, there were some women that quietly defied the Taliban. There was an article titled "Behind the Burka: Women Subtly Fought Taliban" in the NY Times on November 19, by Amy Waldman.
One woman was secretly teaching upwards of 100 girls in a school in her back yard. Other women were able to overcome harsh restrictions and open nursing schools; after all, some school is better than none.
There were women that were trying to overcome their situation under the Taliban. Perhaps you don't understand what these women were up against, justwannano. If you get a chance, read the article, it was informative.
11-29-2001, 10:22 PM
There is a saying goes something like this
Extraodinary times produce extraordinary people.
Have you really seen extraordinary?
11-29-2001, 11:56 PM
Do you not realize what the Afghan women have been 'up against' the last few years? Try to consider, if you will, a a society in which just showing your face, or a forearm is reason to be jailed and or beaten. The Taliban were ruthless bullies, and carried out public executions to get their point across. Break the rules, and die. Period. Dead people can't teach, preach against insane dictatorships, or write about their experiences. They are just dead. Period.
Afghani women have my utmost respect for staying alive under the Taliban rule. Bless them a thousand-fold for holding underground schools to teach their fellow women. They are true heroes.
How could Afghani women take up arms against the Taliban? They were restricted to staying at home, with blackened windows. They were not allowed to venture out of their homes, without a male relative. Any male child had carte blanche to beat any woman he deemed necessary. Did you not bother to read the news the last six months? Or did you not see the thought-provoking documentary "Beneath the Veil"?
Don't judge the women of Afghanistan until you've walked a mile in their Bukra.
11-30-2001, 12:17 AM
Have you really seen extraordinary?
Read the article. The archives charge a fee, but make an effort to go to your library and read it. That is if you're really interested in finding out the answer to your question and not just trolling.
Another woman was mentioned in that article; her husband had died, and she was in a bit of a catch-22. Because her husband was dead, she needed to earn money for her family, but because she didn't have a male to take her out in public she had to stay at home in the dark. She shelled nuts so that she could earn (a very small amount of) money for her family to eat.
You really don't seem to realize just how oppressive and abusive the Taliban was towards women. From reading articles, I would venture a guess that most, if not all, women were unhappy with their situation. They did what the could to try to make things better, but there's only so much you can do when your opponents are physically stronger, and have weapons.
11-30-2001, 12:38 AM
Do you get into barroom brawls often? JeezÖ.
I donít know. How many slaves rebelled against their owners? How many Jews formed cell groups to get back at the Nazis? How many Cambodians fought against the outcome of the killing fields? How many other outrages against mankind had the oppressed fighting the militarily equipped oppressor? Yes, there were small numbers of people in all of these circumstances. In their minor insignificant way, the Taliban women have done as much as they can considering their circumstances.
What do you want to hear? That Taliban women grew beards, donned headgear, threw away their burkas and are fighting side-by-side with their men?
Get a grip, man. Get a clue. Get a heart.
11-30-2001, 01:10 AM
Or did you not see the thought-provoking documentary "Beneath the Veil"?
Yeah I saw it.
The oppression lasted 5 years. How did they let this happen in the first place.The women of Kabul seem to have been freer than most and seem to be the first to try to go back to pre Taliban.
They were also the closest to the fighting. Could have helped the most.
I guess there are no Joan of Afganistans. Molly Pitchers Clara Bartons Just women sitting at home in the dark.
11-30-2001, 01:11 AM
justwannano, you make it obvious that you wanted to debate and rant when you opened the thread. The factual question, such as it was, has been answered, whether you like the answer or not. This thread is closed.
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