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Surreal
03-16-2002, 07:46 PM
If I'm stopped at a red light waiting to make a right-hand turn and there are a bunch of cars stopped in front of me, would it be legal to just cut through an adjacent gas station?

I can't get a ticket for this, right? I mean, the gas station is privated property, isn't it? Can I pull in to buy gas, and then suddenly *change my mind*?

Thanks.

struct
03-16-2002, 07:49 PM
I was taught in Driver's Ed that the maneuver of which you speak is indeed illegal and one can get ticketed for it. I don't know the relevant statute.

friedo
03-16-2002, 07:54 PM
I've seen people do it, and I've seen people get ticketed for it. There is a law which forbids "entering a gas station with the intent to bypass a traffic signal" or something like that. (At least in New York.)

wring
03-16-2002, 07:55 PM
what you are describing is utilyzing a parking lot as if it was a street, and you can (and my Snookie did) get ticketed (or at least warned). (my state is MI, I'd rather guess that it would similarly be against the law around the US w/different words used in the statute)

Ringo
03-16-2002, 07:56 PM
I, too, cannot recall what the violation is called, but in Texas you will get a ticket for that.

jimpatro
03-16-2002, 08:52 PM
It's called being lazy. Wait your turn like other civilized people.
You know you don't even really have to stop at a redlight or stopsign either. A big problem with people nowadays is they can't figure out the difference between what they wanna do and what they should do.
Venting can be fun!

Mr. Blue Sky
03-16-2002, 09:03 PM
There's a phrase for someone who does that: "Esso Asso"


Can anyone name the source of that?

barbitu8
03-16-2002, 09:04 PM
In some jurisdictions (and it would depend upon your local state law and/or city ordinance) it is illegal to drive over private property in order to avoid stopping at a traffic signal and/or sign. Illinois, I know, has such a law. I don't remember seeing a similar law where I live now, SC. So, it varies from state to state.

Surreal
03-16-2002, 09:05 PM
IDEA -

Certainly we can all agree that there is no prohibition against USING a gas station and then exiting on a cross street.

Now, let's say I pull into a station that has several trash cans-available to the public- near the gas pumps. I quickly deposit a random piece of garbage from the floor of my car-of which I have an ample supply for just such an occasion- into the trash, exit at the cross street, and I'm on my way.

Perfectly legal, no?

Junchbailey
03-16-2002, 09:09 PM
I live in central New York and you will get ticket for it. I believe it is called "avoiding a traffic control device."

kanicbird
03-16-2002, 09:10 PM
it is illegal to drive over private property in order to avoid stopping at a traffic signal and/or sign.

I believe that's how it goes for NYS too. I think you are in the clear if you use the facilities as you described.

wring
03-16-2002, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Surreal
IDEA -

Certainly we can all agree that there is no prohibition against USING a gas station and then exiting on a cross street.

Now, let's say I pull into a station that has several trash cans-available to the public- near the gas pumps. I quickly deposit a random piece of garbage from the floor of my car-of which I have an ample supply for just such an occasion- into the trash, exit at the cross street, and I'm on my way.

Perfectly legal, no?

maybe but if the whole plan was to avoid wasting the time it took to sit through the light and wait your turn, you'll need to add in the time it takes you to locate and pause by the trash recepticle, toss the refuse, then explain all of this to the LEO who just pulled you over.

Exgineer
03-16-2002, 09:31 PM
I live in New York State as well, and Junchbailey nailed it.

I live in central New York and you will get ticket for it. I believe it is called "avoiding a traffic control device."


There is an intersection a couple of blocks from my house where the side street comes in at a very sharp angle. It was very difficult to execute a right-hand turn from that side street on to the main thoroughfare without swerving into oncoming traffic, so a lot of drivers cut through the parking lot of the convenience store located in the "wedge." A lot of them got tickets for "evading a traffic control device." I'm convinced that the police waited in the parking lot across the street just to catch people doing that.

The town answered hundreds of complaints by laying down a curved ramp thingy across the "wedge" for right turns only and installing a Yield sign.

This is obviously a different situation from "I just don't want to wait for the light," but it's still a definite no-no.

mmmiiikkkeee
03-16-2002, 11:00 PM
In some parts of my town (residential areas close to busy areas) you'll get a ticket if you turn into them at certain times during the day... they don't want the extra traffic from people cutting through neiborhoods to get around the long lines.

AbbySthrnAccent
03-16-2002, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Blue Sky
There's a phrase for someone who does that: "Esso Asso"


Can anyone name the source of that?

It's a Rich Hall sniglet.

techchick68
03-17-2002, 02:21 AM
IIRC, it is illegal to do such a manuever in Colorado too.

So skimming over the other posts, it's illegal.

If you are in that much of hurry, I suggest leaving earlier.

Mr2001
03-17-2002, 02:35 AM
I can't count the number of times I cut through corner parking lots to get around traffic lights when I was a delivery driver (the most common one was a bank, not a gas station). Of course, nearly everything I did while I was a delivery driver was illegal.

Fred
03-17-2002, 02:54 AM
The solution to this problem is simple: Move to Canada. We can turn right on red today and every which day after. Come on up, the weather is fine!

Weeks
03-17-2002, 07:22 AM
Jimpatro:

You know you don't even really have to stop at a redlight or stopsign either.

Howzat? that is the kind of thinking that will get you in trouble in my neck of the woods.

lucwarm
03-17-2002, 07:28 AM
Just to add another data point, I believe this is illegal in New Jersey too - I seem to recall it from my drivers handbook.

As far as Surreal's idea goes, I can say that I have put a similar strategy into practice.

In Fort Lee, New Jersey, there are certain intersections where turns are prohibited in the mornings. (Fort Lee is on the New Jersey side of the George Wahshington Bridge to Manhattan) And for various reasons relating to 9/11, traffic can get really bad.

So it can actually save a little time and aggravation to pull into a parking lot, park, go into a store, buy something or whatever, leave, and continue on your way.

kniz
03-17-2002, 09:00 AM
I think this is illegal everywhere except in Lower Mongolia and that is only because they have only one filling station.

Nukeman
03-17-2002, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by Weeks
Jimpatro:


You know you don't even really have to stop at a redlight or stopsign either.



Howzat? that is the kind of thinking that will get you in trouble in my neck of the woods.

I agree. In England at least, you MUST stop at a red light or stop sign, no exceptions.

Khampelf
03-17-2002, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Nukeman




Howzat? that is the kind of thinking that will get you in trouble in my neck of the woods.

I agree. In England at least, you MUST stop at a red light or stop sign, no exceptions. [/B][/QUOTE]


I think Jimpatro is playing on the semantics of 'Have to' meaning are required to, and 'Have to' meaning impossible not to.

1) You have to give your Bus seat to the Lady who just got on.

2) You have to close your eyes, while sneezing.


STopping at a red light, or stop sign is more like case 1, than case two.



"You can't do that!!!"

"What do you mean, Can't? I just did it right in front of you!"

jimpatro
03-19-2002, 10:02 AM
Yeah, I was just being sarcastic. Should have added a winking smiley.

Spoons
03-19-2002, 11:35 AM
The solution to this problem is simple: Move to Canada. We can turn right on red today and every which day after.

In most provinces, yes, we can turn right on a red. I believe Quebec still prohibits such turns though.

However, the OP was referring to cutting through a gas station to avoid waiting for the light to change and the traffic ahead to move. That's illegal here too. At least it is in Ontario, where a few friends have been tagged for doing such a thing.

Threadkiller
03-19-2002, 12:32 PM
I was lucky to avoid a ticket once for a more blatant "avoiding a traffic control device."

I was heading home on a busy street and was the first car to get stopped by the light in the right hand lane (no turn lane). After braking for the light, I immediately turned right to take an alternate route home. Right after my turn (5 yards or so) I remembered that I needed to go somewhere further down the original street. So I pulled a U-turn, drove back to the intersection and made a right-hand turn onto the street I was originally on (all the while the rest of the traffic was still waiting for the light to change and no cross traffic (except me) was coming the other way).

It looked really bad but I had my reasons. Fortunately there were no cops around, I'm not so sure they would have bought my story.

Cisco
03-19-2002, 03:03 PM
Here in NC it's called "avoiding an intersection." It's illegal, but I see several people, including cops, do it every single day on the way to work. I've never known anyone to get pulled over or ticketed for it. I used to do it but I've found that, as often as not, you end up losing time instead of getting around the light faster.

Mr. Blue Sky
03-19-2002, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by AbbySthrnAccent


It's a Rich Hall sniglet.

...and we have a winner!

barbitu8
03-19-2002, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Threadkiller
I was lucky to avoid a ticket once for a more blatant "avoiding a traffic control device."

I was heading home on a busy street and was the first car to get stopped by the light in the right hand lane (no turn lane). After braking for the light, I immediately turned right to take an alternate route home. Right after my turn (5 yards or so) I remembered that I needed to go somewhere further down the original street. So I pulled a U-turn, drove back to the intersection and made a right-hand turn onto the street I was originally on (all the while the rest of the traffic was still waiting for the light to change and no cross traffic (except me) was coming the other way).

It looked really bad but I had my reasons. Fortunately there were no cops around, I'm not so sure they would have bought my story.

That would not be a violation of the law that exists in Illinois, and since there is a Uniform Motor Vehicle Act, it is probably the same law in many states, which is that it is illegal to drive on private property to evade a traffic sign or signal. However, many municipalities have specific ordinances as to the legality of U-turns, so your U-turn 5 yards from an intersection may have violated the city ordinance.

SenorBeef
03-19-2002, 07:46 PM
Cisco, where does your sig come from?