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davejam
01-17-2000, 09:34 AM
All -
I have an ongoing debate with my boss. He claims to be a Vegitarian
but does eat seafood. His logic is that "Christ fed the masses with fish
and since he was perfect, it's okay to eat fish"

Is there any evidence in any scripture of Christ eating any non-seafood
meats?

Thanks
Dave From Arlington, Va.

Keeves
01-17-2000, 09:40 AM
How about the Paschal Lamb at the Last Supper?

davejam
01-17-2000, 09:50 AM
I must admit to not bieng as knowledgable about the Bible as I could be. Could you reference a book/verse for me? Thanks,

DCC

Originally posted by Keeves:
How about the Paschal Lamb at the Last Supper?

Fretful Porpentine
01-17-2000, 11:01 AM
OK, I'm no Biblical scholar, but how about Mark 14:12:On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, "Where do you want us to go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?"

Granted, it doesn't actually say in so many words that Jesus ate the lamb, but the intent seems pretty clear. More to the point, there's no reason to think he would be a vegetarian -- I assume that everybody ate meat back then if they could afford it. AFAIK, most of the references to Jesus' eating habits in the Bible emphasize the fact that he and the disciples ate just like everyone else; they didn't fast like the Pharisees or live on locusts and wild honey like John the Baptist.

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Spoke
01-17-2000, 11:10 AM
Somewhat off-subject, davejam, but if your boss eats seafood only, you might be interested in the thread linked below, a discussion of whether, ethically, that is a good idea.
http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000948.html

Road Rash
01-17-2000, 05:59 PM
From what the Bible says, Jesus ate a lot. I doubt he was skinny. John the Baptists followers complained about it. He eats during the sabbath. When a fig tree he walked by has no fruit, he curses it and it withered. Safe to say he had little qualms about eating.

Chief Crunch
01-17-2000, 07:47 PM
I think the whole idea that Jesus didn't eat red meat was started by militant vegetarians who thought Christians would give up meat in order to be more like him. As if most Christians emulate Jesus's life to the letter to begin with.

Doug Bowe
01-17-2000, 07:50 PM
It would seem a fair assumption that Jesus kept kosher.

Diceman
01-17-2000, 10:06 PM
There's no reason to believe that Jesus kept a diet that was anything other than a typical one. He would have kept Kosher rules, which would mean no pork, no mixing meat and milk, etc. Given the number of times sheep/lambs are mentioned in the bible, I'm inclined to think that lamb was the primary red meat for Jews of the time. Fish, of course, would be a big part of the mix, since several of the disciples were fisherman. There's also references to sparrows and other birds being bought for food. Lastly, there's all sorts of references to grains and fruits in Jesus' parables, which would be logical in an agrarian society. So all in all, I doubt His diet was much different than ours, except for the lack of Mountain Dew. Those poor people ;)

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mangeorge
01-17-2000, 10:29 PM
You mean Jesus, er, pooped?
Peace,
mangeorge

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moriah
01-18-2000, 03:55 AM
Act 10:9 The next day, while they were on their way and nearing the city, Peter went up to the roof terrace to pray at about noontime. 10 He was hungry and wished to eat, and while they were making preparations he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something resembling a large sheet coming down, lowered to the ground by its four corners. 12 In it were all the earth's four-legged animals and reptiles and the birds of the sky. 13 A voice said to him, "Get up, Peter. Slaughter and eat." 14 But Peter said, "Certainly not, sir. For never have I eaten anything profane and unclean." 15 The voice spoke to him again, a second time, "What God has made clean, you are not to call profane."

So, even if Jesus didn't eat meat; God (after the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus) tells Peter to eat read meat -- from any animal.

The New Testament letters are full of restrictions about eating red meat (from the Mosaic prohibition of not eating the meat of a strangled animal to the heebie-jeebies they felt regarding eating meat that was offered up to the Pagan gods); but no ban on eating red meat at all.

Taken with the quote from Fretful Porpentine, we can say very certainly that Jesus ate red meat and so did all his apostles and disciples all their lives.

Take that you heathen vegans! :P

Peace.

C K Dexter Haven
01-18-2000, 08:14 AM
Well, I dunno how "red" it would've been. Jesus and his disciples would have followed the Jewish dietary rules, which included not drinking blood. Thus, the meat would have been koshered -- drained of all blood -- and cooked well. So although he would have likely eaten lamb and goat, it wouldn't have been "red."

My recollection is that most archaeologists believe that the diet in ancient Israel was mostly grains, fruits, and vegetables; animal meat was perhaps a once-a-week treat.

John W. Kennedy
01-19-2000, 01:14 AM
You mean Jesus, er, pooped?

In all seriousness, it would be heresy to say that He did not. Jesus was a perfectly normal human being, with a normal human body, a normal human mind, and a normal human soul.

As to the O.P., although the NT doesn't say anywhere in so many words that Jesus ate red meat, it also doesn't say in so many words that he had two legs. But 1st-century Jews certainly ate meat as a rule, and were pretty much obligated to do so at certain times, and it is unlikely to the point of being utterly unbelievable that, if had abstained, it wouldn't have been remarked upon.

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Kilgore Trout
02-06-2000, 05:54 PM
More to the point, there's no reason to think he would be a vegetarian

what about thou shalt not kill?

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Kilgore Trout
02-06-2000, 05:56 PM
i suppose this is the wrong forum for this debate.

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zev_steinhardt
02-06-2000, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Kilgore Trout:
what about thou shalt not kill?



::worrying that this is going off topic::

Thou shalt not kill is a mistranslation of the commandment. The commandment is "Thou shalt not murder." I *can* go into the Hebrew if you really want, but I'll pass unless someone asks for it.

The difference between kill and murder is that sometimes killing is justified (self defense, for starters). Murder is never justified.

Lastly, even if you *do* translate it as "thou shalt not kill" it is perfectly clear that the Jews ate meat all over the Bible. So, I would posit, that "thou shalt not..." only applies to people, not animals.

Zev Steinhardt

zev_steinhardt
02-06-2000, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Keeves:
How about the Paschal Lamb at the Last Supper?

In fact, eating from the Passover sacrifice was one of the few times when a Jew was **REQUIRED** to eat meat (Num 9:13). So, if you are going to posit that Jesus kept the Torah, then he did eat meat.

Zev Steinhardt

handy
02-06-2000, 06:36 PM
How about the fact that he is red meat?

Foggy
02-06-2000, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by zev_steinhardt:
. . .the Jews ate meat all over the Bible.
Zev Steinhardt

What? They couldn't use a table?

Sorry :o

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Fear Itself
02-07-2000, 12:06 AM
The more important question should not be whether or not Jesus just ate red meat, but rather was he a cannibal!

Matthew 26:26

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body."
OK, maybe he didn't eat anybody, but he certainly advocated it. Now before you start explaining about the symbolism for the the new covenant, etc., etc., why is it a central belief in the Catholic church that, at the time of consecration, the eucharist literally "transubstantiates" into the body of Christ? Or was this tossed out along with "meatless Friday" in Vatican II?


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RobRoy
02-07-2000, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by davejam:
All -
I have an ongoing debate with my boss. He claims to be a Vegitarian
but does eat seafood. His logic is that "Christ fed the masses with fish
and since he was perfect, it's okay to eat fish"

Is there any evidence in any scripture of Christ eating any non-seafood
meats?

Thanks
Dave From Arlington, Va.

Jesus ate meat, the Buddha died from a piece of bad duck.

Get a new boss.

John W. Kennedy
02-07-2000, 07:41 PM
The doctrine of Transubstantiation has not changed. (Fish on Friday, on the other hand, was never doctrine.)

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