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rockboots
05-29-2002, 10:12 AM
Dear straight dopers,

I woke up this morning around 5:30 feeling very aroused only to discover that my husband was ready for action (as he always is in the morning) and then it hit me! I need to know the answer to the question that's been haunting me all morning: Why do men always wake up with an erection? and do old guys still have this quality? I hope somebody out there (and if I'm lucky Cecil) can bring an answer to this question.

Thank you all. Have a nice day and keep wondering!
Silvia.

Reeder
05-29-2002, 10:17 AM
It's called a p*ss hardon. Comes from holding it.

Surreal
05-29-2002, 10:40 AM
I disagree, Reeder. It happens even if you don't have to pee. Plus, why don't you get them when you have to pee while you're *awake*?

Incubus
05-29-2002, 10:46 AM
I think whas Reeder was trying to say is that occasionally a full bladder can trigger an erection, this is very common in childhood.

This is where you get the invention of the 'superman' peeing position, in which a man has to sort of lean against the wall behind the toilet in an 'up-up-and-away!' type of pose in order to hit anything other than the ceiling.

Surreal
05-29-2002, 10:53 AM
Also, I used to think that 'morning wood' meant that you had an erotic dream just prior to waking up. Not true. I have woke up with erections after having dreams that were clearly NOT erotic in any way. I don't know the cause.

flodnak
05-29-2002, 10:57 AM
Morning wood has a lot to do with dreams, but they don't have to be erotic.

When your body enters REM (dreaming) sleep, a number of physiological changes take place, among them increased blood flow to the genitals. This means that men and boys get erections. The boner that's still with you when you wake up is left over from the last dream of the night. A relatively full bladder might help it last longer.

rockboots
05-29-2002, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by Incubus
I think whas Reeder was trying to say is that occasionally a full bladder can trigger an erection, this is very common in childhood.

This is where you get the invention of the 'superman' peeing position, in which a man has to sort of lean against the wall behind the toilet in an 'up-up-and-away!' type of pose in order to hit anything other than the ceiling.

LOL! That's too funny. So you are telling me that men can pee and have an erection at the same time?

rockboots
05-29-2002, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by flodnak

When your body enters REM (dreaming) sleep, a number of physiological changes take place, among them increased blood flow to the genitals. This means that men and boys get erections.

Yeah I figured it had something to do with the blood flow but I could not think of why.

smiling bandit
05-29-2002, 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Incubus
I think whas Reeder was trying to say is that occasionally a full bladder can trigger an erection, this is very common in childhood.

This is where you get the invention of the 'superman' peeing position, in which a man has to sort of lean against the wall behind the toilet in an 'up-up-and-away!' type of pose in order to hit anything other than the ceiling.
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Pain the butt that is.

JustPlainBryan
05-29-2002, 12:00 PM
I don't remember where I read this, but I was under the impression that testorterone levels are pretty high in the morning as well. Perhaps this is a contributing factor to morning wood?

istara
05-29-2002, 12:04 PM
It's called Morning Glory

As in the Oasis song:
What's the story?
Morning glory
Need a little time to wake-up, wake-up

FriendRob
05-29-2002, 12:12 PM
No cite, but I remember hearing that the average male has erections 8-12 times per night. Morning erection is simply a matter of waking up during one of those episodes, I guess. For me they are unsexual - no urge for action involved.

BTW, I, at least, cannot pee while hard. I have to wait till it goes down, no matter how badly I need to urinate.

[Homer Simpson]
(...Think unsexy thoughts, think unsexy thoughts..)
[/Homer Simpson]

plnnr
05-29-2002, 12:14 PM
Here's what the guys at Harvard had to say on the subject of nocturnal erections:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/medline/Men/N0200b.html

Dr. Lao
05-29-2002, 12:27 PM
The explanation I heard for nocturnal erections was that the brain's role in the erection process is largely inhibitory. When the brain is disconnected during REM sleep, that inhibitory signal is taken away and the parasympathetic nervous system causes erections galore. As I understand it, paraplegics have the same problem.

rockboots
05-29-2002, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by plnnr
Here's what the guys at Harvard had to say on the subject of nocturnal erections:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/medline/Men/N0200b.html

Awsome information plnnr thank you. :)

Cheesesteak
05-29-2002, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by rockboots


LOL! That's too funny. So you are telling me that men can pee and have an erection at the same time? It ain't easy, usually I have to wait for it to go down a bit. Then it's superman time, it's impossible to point it down while hard and actually pee, so leaning is essential. I'm not really sure if it's possible to pee with a full erection, never tried it, since I'd just be peeing all over the wall.

Damn, now I've got to go pee, imagine that. ;)

Polycarp
05-29-2002, 03:18 PM
Incubus: I think whas Reeder was trying to say is that occasionally a full bladder can trigger an erection, this is very common in childhood.

This is where you get the invention of the 'superman' peeing position, in which a man has to sort of lean against the wall behind the toilet in an 'up-up-and-away!' type of pose in order to hit anything other than the ceiling.

Smiling Bandit: Pain the butt that is.

Bandit, I need to tell you that if you're experiencing that problem while urinating, you're definitely doing it the wrong way! :D

NurseCarmen
05-29-2002, 03:34 PM
Go camping. No need to lean or aim. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. (TMI?)

smootman
03-01-2004, 03:50 PM
How come the boner phenom doesn't happen while you are out drinking or sitting at your desk at work, holding it? How long do you have to actually go before the erection kicks in?

RealityChuck
03-01-2004, 04:43 PM
Because, as flodnak quite correctly pointed out, the morning erection is a byproduct of dreaming. Men get erections during REM sleep. Since you often wake up just after a dream (i.e., REM sleep), men often wake up with an erection.

Burrido
03-01-2004, 04:55 PM
I find the painful and uncomfortable most of the time. Really annoying when you want to spoon and the little guy is pointing straight into her back. For the record, I can urinate while hard. Ask a couple of my buddies and they say they all can too. Is this uncommon or we just freaks of nature?

Nametag
03-01-2004, 04:55 PM
Actually, it does happen all the time -- to teenagers. Don't you remember those embarrassing "I cant' stand up yet, so I'm going to fumble with my books until this goes away" erections from high school? Even during moments that are completely free of erotic notions (rare though they are), they pop up, and they won't go away until you relax a little, but you can't relax if you need to urinate as well. You just sit there, clenching your teeth, waiting for a miracle (unless yu shuffle off trying to hide your loins with a notebook).

Gary T
03-01-2004, 04:58 PM
How come the boner phenom doesn't happen while you are out drinking or sitting at your desk at work, holding it? How long do you have to actually go before the erection kicks in?
A full bladder does not cause an erection. People associate it with a morning erection because it's typical to have them both at the same time, but that's coincidence, not causation. The reason for the full bladder is going for hours without urinating. The reason for the morning erection is the REM cycle, as mentioned above. One does not cause the other.

elfkin477
03-01-2004, 05:05 PM
Morning wood has a lot to do with dreams, but they don't have to be erotic.

When your body enters REM (dreaming) sleep, a number of physiological changes take place, among them increased blood flow to the genitals. This means that men and boys get erections. The boner that's still with you when you wake up is left over from the last dream of the night. A relatively full bladder might help it last longer.

They talk about a few studies to this effect in Our Dreaming Mind by Robert deCastle, and it happens to women too- blood flow to the genitals waxes and wans according to the REM cycle. The implements used to record the pertainent information that allowed them to conclude this sound like they'd make sleep impossible, but... :)

I'm not sure if you can find them online, but the studies were:
" Cycle of Penile Erections Sychronous with dreaming (rem) sleep" by C. Fisher, J. Gross and J. Zuch

and

" Vaginal pulse amplitude response patterns during erotic conditions and sleep" by G. Rogers (ODM doesn't go into details on the "erotic conditions" part of the study.)

ltfire
03-01-2004, 07:34 PM
Iíve read that men with erectile dysfunction, that is possibly philological, could try the following. Take a roll of postage stamps, circle your penis while it is flaccid, and connect the stamps at that point. If, in the morning, the circle you made has been broken, you donít have a blood flow problem, and perhaps you should seek out other reasons for not being able to achieve an erection.
(thereís a Johnny Cash song in here somewhere) :D

Bumbazine
03-01-2004, 09:53 PM
do old guys still have this quality?


Well, I can't speak for all old guys, but yes.

PetW
03-01-2004, 09:58 PM
My psychology teacher was discussing this in class. Every once in a while I see someone post something about what a whacky college professor said, and here's another:

Erections during REM sleep may have evolved to act as a sort of kick-stand so we don't roll over and possibly damage our testicles while asleep (or something along those lines... I distinctly remember him saying "kickstand")

Vlad/Igor
03-01-2004, 09:59 PM
Actually, it does happen all the time -- to teenagers. Don't you remember those embarrassing "I cant' stand up yet, so I'm going to fumble with my books until this goes away" erections from high school? Even during moments that are completely free of erotic notions (rare though they are), they pop up, and they won't go away until you relax a little, but you can't relax if you need to urinate as well. You just sit there, clenching your teeth, waiting for a miracle (unless yu shuffle off trying to hide your loins with a notebook).

OMG, you just described my high school experience. I thought I was the only one. My soldier saluted at 10:30am without fail, every day. This was about 5 minutes before class let out, so I'd walk to my locker with my binder or books held low and it front. It was a pain.

Vlad/Igor

F. U. Shakespeare
03-01-2004, 10:35 PM
Ring of Stamps?

A Boy Named Glue?


Iíve read that men with erectile dysfunction, that is possibly philological, could try the following. Take a roll of postage stamps, circle your penis while it is flaccid, and connect the stamps at that point. If, in the morning, the circle you made has been broken, you donít have a blood flow problem, and perhaps you should seek out other reasons for not being able to achieve an erection.
(thereís a Johnny Cash song in here somewhere) :D

F. U. Shakespeare
03-01-2004, 10:41 PM
Wait, wait, I just got it (apologies for being so slow):

Will the Circle Be Unbroken

F. U. Shakespeare
03-01-2004, 10:48 PM
I'm proud to have reached half a kilo-post with two earnest, irreverant musings about the great Johnny Cash.

Mods, move if you see fit.

(Now I'm just running up the score...)

Loopydude
03-01-2004, 11:43 PM
Almost daily morning, er, stiffness here. No idea why. I, too, have associated it with the urgent need to take a leak, which is inhibited somewhat (though certainly not prohibited) by penile tumescence.

I have to say, some of my AM woodies are throbbing erections of the highest order of turgidity. I feel like I could lie belley-down, and with a kick of my legs, spin about in place. Almost painful (not helped by the full bladder thing). And hardly ever because I'm rearin' to go. Mostly I'm needin' to pee.

hammerbach
03-02-2004, 12:25 AM
I think whas Reeder was trying to say is that occasionally a full bladder can trigger an erection, this is very common in childhood.

This is where you get the invention of the 'superman' peeing position, in which a man has to sort of lean against the wall behind the toilet in an 'up-up-and-away!' type of pose in order to hit anything other than the ceiling.
That would be a "humby peeover", as I recall from The Meaning of Liff.

Susanann
03-02-2004, 02:07 AM
For me they are unsexual - no urge for action involved.



I just read (this months Glamour Magazine?) that they are not associated with any desire for sex. The man in the article said he doesnt want sex when he wakes up that way, that although erected it is sort of tender, and that it is better to wait until later, after breakfeast, etc. if you want to do it in the morning.

duffer
03-02-2004, 02:25 AM
Go camping. No need to lean or aim. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. (TMI?)

Perfect answer. May I follow through?

It isn't hard (heh) to pee when hard. What's hard is getting it into a toilet bowl. When we go to the cabin it's easier and more natural to "hit the air" as we call it. Therefore the men go to the edges of the woods (heh, again) and just let loose.

The only physiological fact I've seen is that urine can't be passed along with semen during ejaculation.

Hope that helps a little.

Susanann
03-02-2004, 09:36 AM
The only physiological fact I've seen is that urine can't be passed along with semen during ejaculation.



Although the bladder is closed off, whatever (drops of) urine might be (remaining) in the uretha tube will be passed/flushed along.

The Griffin
03-02-2004, 09:45 AM
Go camping. No need to lean or aim. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. (TMI?)


Get your angles right and you can shower at the same time.

Malacandra
03-02-2004, 10:29 AM
I just read (this months Glamour Magazine?) that they are not associated with any desire for sex. The man in the article said he doesnt want sex when he wakes up that way, that although erected it is sort of tender, and that it is better to wait until later, after breakfeast, etc. if you want to do it in the morning.

I'd say quite the reverse if anything; insensitive rather than tender. Which is a shame as it's often the hardest kind of erection I get (mind you, when Mrs M is remotely interested at that hour of the day you can mark a commemorative day on the calendar).

Chefguy
03-02-2004, 10:59 AM
It ain't easy, usually I have to wait for it to go down a bit. Then it's superman time, it's impossible to point it down while hard and actually pee, so leaning is essential. I'm not really sure if it's possible to pee with a full erection, never tried it, since I'd just be peeing all over the wall.



Real men just do a handstand and let fly while doing inverted pushups.

alimarx
03-02-2004, 12:58 PM
For me they are unsexual - no urge for action involved.


Me too, but it does seem such a shame to waste a perfectly good hard-on.

Loopydude
03-02-2004, 01:56 PM
It would be a shame to waste it, except having a near-explosive bladder pushing up against a throbbing boner is about as conducive to sexual enjoyment as having my grandmother watching, only more physically painful.

And no, I would not like my grandmother to be watching me have sex, so don't even start with that.

Stover9
03-02-2004, 02:14 PM
The worst is in the middle of the night, when the urge to pee is sooooo great, and yet, one is so....erm....not flaccid. Sometimes, it's like I have the opposite of impotence, standing in the superman position for what seems like minutes - waiting for some sort of....de-stiffness? descention? If not, and I were to "just go", pee would hit me in the face....sorry, probably TMI.

Chronos
03-02-2004, 02:16 PM
Do some guys actually try to use that Superman pose alluded to earlier? No wonder we get a reputation for bad aim! It's much easier to just sit down on the toilet and lean forward. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for a man to pee while sitting down.

alterego
03-02-2004, 02:44 PM
Chronos are you telling me you sit down to pee? (j/k :P)

Really though I had never considered doing it that way and have naturally opted for the Superman pose.

Rick
03-02-2004, 03:16 PM
Bets consecutive thread tittles so far this week. This thread followed by
What's the Straight Dope on the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Carry on

Bill Door
03-02-2004, 04:56 PM
All right, as long as it's already been hijacked.

We have morning erections because that way we can vote on the way to work.

gbrohman
03-04-2004, 10:23 PM
What happened to phrases like.....
1.I had to stand on my head this morning to piss...
2.I couldn't sleep last night, Didn't have enough skin left to cover my eyes....
3.Had to slam it in the door a couple of times so i could pull up my overalls....
4.Good dream last night, Had to pole vault out of bed this morning....
5.Took duct tape to keep it under control with that new gal at the..........
6.
7.

Richard Pearse
03-05-2004, 01:33 AM
Do some guys actually try to use that Superman pose alluded to earlier? No wonder we get a reputation for bad aim! It's much easier to just sit down on the toilet and lean forward. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for a man to pee while sitting down.

The angle of the dangle is about 45 degrees up for me so sitting is possible (and generally preffered) but it takes a generous lean forwards to stop it from going straight up under the seat.

It's similar to the position taken when riding a supremely fast motorbike, supremely fast.

Excalibre
03-05-2004, 08:56 AM
Or just pee in the shower. It's easier.