Question for Yankee fans

[Foghorn]

Two questions about the numbers retired and posted to a wall at Yankee Stadium. First, why are there 2 number "8"'s? I know Yogi was one of them, but why would they retire a number twice? I don't get it...

Second, who wore number "10"? Seems to me that Chris Chambliss wore that number, but he's a coach with the team and now wears another number... so I figure the "10" retired wasn't his... so why did they let him wear it?

Thanks

[Ukulele Ike]

I opened this one hoping it would be "How can you stand yourselves?"

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Uke

[Pete]

The other 8 is Bill Dickey.

They were retired together in the 70s.

10 is for Phil Rizzuto. It was retired in the 80s, after Chambliss's career, and well after Rizzuto's.

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I don't know who first said "everyone's a critic," but I think it's a really stupid saying.

[Satan]

Ike: I respectfully say, "Blow me!"

Correct on both numbers...

Go Yanks! Team of the century!!

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Yer pal,
Satan

[Ukulele Ike]

Yeesh. I bet ya root for Dallas when football season rolls around, too.

-- Underdog Uke, who always hates a winner

[Foghorn]

Thanks Pete. Another quick question for you, if you don't mind. How do they decide to retire numbers in NY? Seems kind of strange that Rizzuto's number wouldn't be retired after his career. If it was worthy of retiring later on, why not earlier? Same for Bill Dickey... Why do these guys grow in importance? Memories make them better players?

[SoxFan59]

I have a sense that the Yankees retired no. 8 for Yogi, despite Bill Dickey's prowess as a player. The fact that both were great players made it easy to recognize both of them for wearing the same number. But make no mistake about it; the number was retired because of Yogi.

As for Rizzuto, I sense that his number was retired as much for his career as a broadcaster as his most excellent career as a Yankee shortstop.



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SoxFan59
"Its fiction, but all the facts are true!"

[Satan]

Uke - You wanna take this over to the Pit?

BASEBALL - NY Yankees
FOOTBALL - NY Giants
BASKETBALL - NY Knicks
COLLEGE HOOPS - St. Johns (in Jamaica, NY)
COLLEGE FOOTBALL - Columbia (NYC)
HOCKEY - NY Rangers
SOCCER - NY/NJ Metrostars

Get the point?

Dallas... Man am I gonna torture you in Hell for THAT remark...

[funneefarmer]

COLLEGE HOOPS - Syracuse University

[DSYoungEsq]

And here I always thought hell was reserved for Giants fans.... Oh, wait, forgot. Hell is being a Giant fan on Earth (thinking of a certain game lost due to fumbleitis)...

(As if I can talk, Cubs fan that I am...) ;)

[Ukulele Ike]

Hee hee hee...see you down by the Lake of Fire. I assume you'll be confiscating my sunblock.

I shouldn't have teased you, knowing you're a born-and-bred New Yorker. You're entitled to be a Yank booster. I'm a transplant myself, like 98% of the residents of the five boroughs. And it's been said by better folks than me that any New Yorker originally from someplace else (excepting, probably, those backwaters without professional baseball teams) who sets himself up as a Yankee fan is by definition the lowest form of human life.

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Uke

[Snetho]

BASEBALL - Boston Red Sox
FOOTBALL - NE Patriots (4-0)
COLLEGE FOOTBALL - Boston College (4-0)
HOCKEY - Boston Bruins (waiting for Dafoe)
SOCCER - NE Revolution (who cares though)

[manhattan]

Nine
Teen
Eight
Teen

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Livin' on Tums, Vitamin E and Rogaine

[Pete]

Sorry, FogHorn. Didn't check back on this thread until now.

SoxFan makes some good points out.

Also, you have to realize that it wasn't traditional to retire numbers until about 40 years ago. And, as wonderful as the Scooter was, it was usually reserved for people like Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Jack Robinson.

(Does anyone know who was the first of any/each sport?)

I know the Yanks were the first professional team to assign numbers to players, in the 20s.



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I don't know who first said "everyone's a critic," but I think it's a really stupid saying.

[Pete]

lol, manhattan

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I don't know who first said "everyone's a critic," but I think it's a really stupid saying.

[Satan]

Snetho:

Curse of the Bambino
Bill Buckner
Bucky Dent

(Sorry... Couldn't resist...)

[Snetho]

Satan:

First of all, I should hold all comments until after the playoffs, but The Curse of the Bambino should be expiring soon with our new ball park...so pending the ALCS results, NY may soon have a new force to reckon with.

[DSYoungEsq]

< Thinking the Curse pulled the muscle in Pedro's back... >

[astorian]

Well, I'm pretty sure that Lou Gehrig's #4 was the first uniform number to be retired, in any sport. You've all seen that Gary Cooper movie, so I don't have to tell you the circumstances.

[SoxFan59]

I think astorian is right, but the habit of "officially" retiring a number, that is, to have a ceremony and raise the jersey into the rafters or put a plaque on the wall, came much more recently.

The Yankees simply didn't reassign Gehrig's number after his retirement. Of course, at the time of Gehrig's retirement (1939?), I'm not sure all the big league clubs were using numbers to identify their players yet. Anybody know the year the last team started to use numbers on uniforms to identify their players? (Yankees were first, back in the late 20s).

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SoxFan59
"Its fiction, but all the facts are true!"

[Satan]

Just wanted to put this thread back at the top, what with our three-game sweep of Texas.

*evil laughter*

[Jinx]

Originally posted by Pete:
The other 8 is Bill Dickey.
They were retired together in the 70s.


Leave it to the Yankees to misunderstand the concept of retiring a number! The best team money can buy...

[Bobby O]

Jinx:

The best team money can buy is still the best team. The Yankees are the best baseball team of the 1900's, by results.

[John Corrado]

And don't believe that just because a team has deep pockets that they'll necessarily be a good team. Witness the $80 million payroll of the very pathetic Baltimore Orioles last year.

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JMCJ

Winner of the Mr. & Mrs. Polycarp Award for Literalizing Cliches for knowing an actual atheist in a foxhole.

[Weirddave]

OY! < holding head > thank you for reminding me, John.

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Cecil said it. I believe it. That settles it.

[Spoke]

You know, down here in Georgia, we always figured Satan was a Yankees fan. Here's hoping you and your team are reunited in the hereafter! :p

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--Love ya. Mean it.

[Satan]

I believe you mean the TWO-TIME DEFENBDING WORLD CHAMPION FRANCHISE OF THE MILLENNIUM NEW YORK YANKESS.

Get tyour terminology straight!

Q) What do Braves players dress up in on Halloween?
A) Nothing. The Braves never show up in October!

Yes, I made that up just now. If it becomes a cult classic, tell everyone Satan started it! :D

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Yer pal,
Satan

[Omniscient]

What kind of dumbass is a Columbia Football fan......

[Biggirl]

Ah yes, the Yanks, whatta team. Chris Chambliss, Lou Pinella, Craig Nettles, Micky Rivers. . .
Wait a minute, what decade is this?

[Drain Bead]

What kind of dumbass is a Columbia Football fan......

He made that up. He's never mentioned Columbia football in his life before that point. AFAIK, he's a Penn State fan.

Which still makes him lame, but at least it's not Michigan.

[Biggirl]

. . .The Gator, Bucky Dent, Dave Righetti. . .

[DAVEW0071]

Ukelele Ike:

any New Yorker originally from someplace else (excepting, probably, those backwaters without professional baseball teams) who sets himself up as a Yankee fan is by definition the lowest form of human life.


You mean Hillary?


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The Dave-Guy
"Since my daughter's only half-Jewish, can she go in up to her knees?" J.H. Marx

[DAVEW0071]

Snetho:

First of all, I should hold all comments until after the playoffs, but The Curse of the Bambino should be expiring soon with our new ball park...so pending the ALCS results, NY may soon have a new force to reckon with.

Ya know, you're right. Every time the Red Sox built a new ballpark, they win the World Series!!

Satan:

Bill Buckner


Why does everyone forget that Calvin Schiraldi had a two-run lead with two outs and two strikes in his favor, yet couldn't get the job done? Granted, Buckner's error let in the winning run, but the score was tied by then. An effective relief pitcher would never have let it reach that point.

Drain Bead:

Which still makes him lame, but at least it's not Michigan.


From The Columbus Report:

"This is the most fanatical football city I've lived in, due mostly to the Ohio State University team. Their hated rival is the University of Michigan; the annual OSU-Michigan game is treated like a major war. In their last 10 tries, OSU has lost 8 times to Michigan (one game ended in a tie). I was born and raised in southeastern Michigan, where there have long been many choices between sports and teams, so the Ohio State game is a local media item for about a week up there. But here, they hate Michigan all year long. The primary Michigan color is blue. Fortunately, I've got blue return-address labels, a blue pick-up truck, plenty of blue jeans, and even a pair of blue cowboy boots. Hmmm, where are my blue ink pens?"

(Update: 9 OSU losses to Michigan in their last 12 tries.)

And let's not forget, the new Columbus NHL franchise will be called the <FONT COLOR="blue">Blue Jackets</FONT COLOR="blue">.

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"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back, he ever wants to see a cross?" -- Bill Hicks (http://www.billhicks.com/darktimes/index.html)