View Full Version : Indivisable Day
07-04-2002, 10:45 AM
Perhaps I should post this in MSPIMS, because I'm not going to comment. But I thought people here in GD would be interested:
Ventura Proclaims Today Indivisable Day
Gov. Jesse Ventura, who has drawn heat throughout his term for refusing to declare an official day of prayer in Minnesota, angered Republicans and a conservative interest group Wednesday by granting a request for Minnesota atheists and declaring today Indivisible Day.
In the language preceding the official proclamation, Ventura, well-known for his criticisms of organized religion, invokes President James Madison and makes a six-point case for separation of church and state.
07-05-2002, 12:37 PM
Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer: "He is appealing to a fringe element; it's unnecessary to use this holiday to make this statement."
So now sep. or church and state is considered a "fringe" position. Wonderful.
07-05-2002, 01:03 PM
May the Invisible Pink Unicorn bless Jesse Ventura. I knew I liked that guy. Too bad an honest, straight-shooting polititian has no chance for lasting success.
07-05-2002, 02:40 PM
I never thought I'd say this, but:
Jesse Ventura for President!
(It speaks volumes that a former pro wrestler has a better grasp of American Civics than all the ex-lawyers and seasoned politicians in Washington)
07-05-2002, 03:01 PM
I have to wonder how many of the politicians really do grasp civics as well or better than Jesse, but just don't have the balls to stand up for what they know is right. I guess it's easy for Jesse, being a lame duck and all.
07-05-2002, 03:16 PM
It speaks volumes that a former pro wrestler has a better grasp of American Civics than all the ex-lawyers and seasoned politicians in Washington
Put differently: It speaks volumes that all the ex-lawyers and seasoned politicians in Washington are more concerned with their ability to get re-elected than their ability to understand the government they're sworn to uphold.
07-05-2002, 04:29 PM
I wonder... would there have been as many complaints about "Indivisible Day" if the petition had come from, say, a conservative group? Complaints from conservatives, that is. I ask, since there's nothing inherently fringe-y about the concept of indivisibility.
07-07-2002, 01:40 AM
From the link in the OP
the Minnesota Secretary of State's comments after being obligated to sign the proclamation
"This is Independence Day, and July Fourth should be about coming together and celebrating our most cherished holiday," she said. "He is appealing to a fringe element; it's unnecessary to use this holiday to make this statement."
In 'this statement'
he cites the need for "eternal vigilance" against those who would "divide our nation along arbitrary lines of race, ethnicity and religious belief or nonbelief."
What the hell better time to exercise your freedoms than on Independence Day? If you don't flex them every now and then they seem to atrophy. He's talking about protecting civil rights, and some numbskulls think only a fringe element find that notion appealing? Well, I guess we're all just supposed to sit back and eat our watermellon while we watch the fireworks and wave a little flag, and get off on all the symbolism. No need to think about what it all stands for, that's inappropriate!
Statements in the proclamation call for people of "all world views to coexist in harmony" and for "mutual respect for all our citizens."
So the proclamation was requested by an organization of atheists, so what? The world view that they express in their proclamation sounds like what most organized religions claim to preach, but have failed to bring about since the dawn of history.
"First Governor Ventura said 'religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people,' " said Aaron Hall, a spokesman for the Minnesota Family Council, a nonprofit group that calls itself "pro-family" and a defender of "Judeo-Christian" values. "Now he is using the official capacity and resources of our state to attack religion."
One governor "attacks" religion by stating what most atheists and agnostics find painfully obvious, while our U.S. Congress, Executive administration, and Supreme Court use the official capacity and resources of our nation to prop religion up. Sheesh.
They want total domination don't they?
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