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MyFootsZZZ
07-16-2002, 05:57 AM
It's very difficult for me to claim that someone is tasteless for liking some "art" or "entertainment" piece that I don't, however there are some exceptions. What movies do you find so joyless, that anyone who actually liked them MUST be an utter moron in your opinion?

This is NOT a thread to list your most hated film. There are plenty of films I hate but could find some reason for others to like them more than I. Many of the films I hate the most, have SOMETHING that would appeal to some type of human being out there. Movies that have cool special effects, sex appeal or charming campy qualities can give people excuses for enjoying them.

.......

"Patch Adams" would be my pick. I don't understand how any semi intelligent human could like a movie like this.

If a middle-aged man swung down from tree, hanging from a branch with the intent of scaring or amusing me; a complete stranger, I would probably punch him in the face on impulse. I wouldn't look back and laugh. The old lady he did this to would more likely have a heart attack than have her cancer cured. This is not at all the extent of what's absurd in this picture.

The court scene at that end was such bull... they forgot to mention the woman who died as a result of practicing Patch's wacky healing rituals. It's not as if people who are sick don't need joy in their lives... this movie just went about it the wrong way. It's an insult to doctors and people in the medical profession. It was, (for lack of a better word), completely manipulative. The movie was based on a book by Patch Adams, who only told the audience his side of the story which was most likely quite fabricated. It's easy to argue your point-of-view threw movies and books because you have all the control. In movies you can tailor what the nay-sayers say against what you're trying to sell the audience, so each time your hero responds, he/she has something witty to say. That's exactly what the filmmakers exploited here (more so than most movies with messages)... if you can't see that, you suck!

Sorry for the crudeness in typing, I'm having a hard time concentrating tonight.

What movies would you add?

Boo Boo Foo
07-16-2002, 06:29 AM
Hmmmm.... "Dr T and the Woman" gives the category a nudge I reckon. And Richard Gere's latest flick "Unfaithful" is hardly any better. Think of these two films as the equivalent of meandering sewage flowing in your backyard after your sewage pipes have become blocked...

Sublight
07-16-2002, 07:06 AM
Freddy Got Fingered.

I shudder to think of the types of people who consider this worth spending money on.

Guy Propski
07-16-2002, 07:29 AM
Titanic. There are times when I feel that I'm the only person in the world that realizes this movie is a steaming pile of crap. But try to make some critical points about this "film," and you get accused of being heartless and unromantic.

crazy4chaucer
07-16-2002, 07:32 AM
Glad to know I suck as a result of liking Patch Adams. There are so many people in this world, and there's such a wide variety of cultures, backgrounds and experiences that go into shaping each person's perception of what they find enjoyable as far as movies go--that I wouldn't dream of telling anyone they "suck" just because they like a movie.

I like Titanic, too, although definitely not for the sappy soppy stupid love story. Does that mean I'm sucky squared? :p

RealityChuck
07-16-2002, 07:38 AM
"Patch Adams" was sitthroughable. Not great, but a good time waster. Certainly not crap.

Same for "Titanic." Most people who hate it are complaining about the phenonemon and are using the usual sophomoroic logic that "it's popular, so it must suck." As a film, it was fine entertainment (which may be a strike against it -- very few films today try to be entertaining), with both action and a good love story. I'd say it was the opposite -- if you hate the movie, you suck -- or are, at least, terminally immature.

Now for a film that no one with a brain* would ever like, there's Battlefield Earth.

*Obviously, this description automatically excludes Scientologists.

refusal
07-16-2002, 08:04 AM
Personally, I think it's entirely valid to make choices about the worth of people based on what films they like or hate. I certainly think anyone who willingly sat through Rambo III or any Chuck Norris movie would have to be a bloodthirsty cretin of the highest order. Of course, I've never actually watched these movies, so I'm unable to prove this for sure.

I also reserve the right to sneer at anyone who enjoyed Conan the Barbarian/Red Dawn/Top Gun on a level other than kitsch, but I guess there's a lot of films where it's not if you enjoy it that proves you're an idiot, it's whether you take it seriously.

UrbanChic
07-16-2002, 08:11 AM
Guy Propski, you're in good company. When people, who appear to be sane and somewhat intelligent, tell me they actually liked Titanic it gives me a headache for days.

LolaCocaCola
07-16-2002, 08:15 AM
I can't believe people actually liked Eyes Wide Shut.

:o

Gorgon Heap
07-16-2002, 08:18 AM
Ditto on all counts. I mean, who really likes movies, anyway?

robertliguori
07-16-2002, 08:19 AM
6th day just gives me heebie-jeebies, as does A.I. Why can't we have science fiction movies that have even a little grounding in science?

Skewbald
07-16-2002, 08:41 AM
Perdita Durango

I hate this movie.

I really can't explain why, at least not in a rational and sane way, but of all the bad movies I have ever seen and I have seen many, this is the one I really hate. You know you are watching something truly horrible when you are fantasizing about murdering the actors in the most gruesome and sadistic ways rather than paying attention to the story. This is one of those movies.

If I ever become a rich man when I grow up I will dedicate my life and funds to rid the world of the filth that is Perdita Durango by buying up all the copies and have a huge celluloid bonfire. Then I will hire a Swiss assassin named Gustav to eliminate the director, screenwriter and Rosie Perez slowly with a cheese grater. If my master plan succed I will throw a huge party with fireworks, everyone is invited.

No one can possibly like this trash.

scout1222
07-16-2002, 09:59 AM
Woah, I suck big time.

But that's okay, I can live with that.

'Cause y'all suck if you like The Fifth Element.

:: dons flame-proof suit ::

You know this is all in fun, right? Right????

dantheman
07-16-2002, 10:13 AM
It's easy to understand why people liked Titanic - it was a schmaltzy romance. There are zillions of people who like that.

And not everyone likes their sci-fi to be firmy grounded in science, so that's why a bunch liked The Sixth Day.

And there are the untold numbers who liked Battlefield Earth because it was unintentionally hilarious...

And Patch Adams appealed to people who go for overweening sentimentality...

:)

FordPrefect
07-16-2002, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by LolaCocaCola
I can't believe people actually liked Eyes Wide Shut.

What? Nicole Kidman naked, need I say more?

The Fifth Element... hmmmm, I guess I suck because I loved that movie. Sure the plot is holier than the pope, but so much fun to watch.

But Titanic did suck, although it did have what's her name naked for a bit, and what's his name did die at the end... but too long and too boring.

the first MIB movie was great, the second sucked so bad my eyes still hurt a week later

WordMan
07-16-2002, 11:31 AM
Well, I'll take what feels like a risk here:

Se7en

There, I said it. I don't know if "suck" is the right word for people who like this movie - clearly it is a thoughtfully done, artful and cinematically well filmed movie. I just happen to think it is evil, damaged and wrong, and if you liked this move....well, YMMV, but I don't know that I want to spend much time in the same room with you....

Agrippina
07-16-2002, 11:31 AM
Manos: The Hands of Fate--WITHOUT the Mystery Science Theater 3000 guys. Shudder. Hell, sometimes I can't stand that movie WITH the MST3K guys and have no idea how anyone else can.

Gatopescado
07-16-2002, 03:22 PM
The Wizard of Gore

Stunningly, unbelievably inept. So bad, its an absolute cult classic, not so unlike Plan 9 from Outer Space, but actually much, much worse. Mind-bogglingly bad and so full of errors, creepingly slow and difficult to watch (even at full fast-forward).

Join the ranks. Waste a couple of bucks, invite a few freinds, have lots of alcohol around and rent this bowser. You will truly be amazed that something like this ever saw the light of day.

My favorite part: Guy #1 describing a "murder"...'They found the body in a booth in the resturant with thier head cut off!'

What we get to see: Victim goes into resturant, sits at table. Later, we see victim sitting at a different table in the middle of the resturant!! covered in blood.

????????????? :smack:

Just one of many, many mistakes in this "film".

_____________
"I am Montag, the Magnificant! Ha Ha Ha!"

MaxTheVool
07-16-2002, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by RealityChuck
Same for "Titanic." Most people who hate it are complaining about the phenonemon and are using the usual sophomoroic logic that "it's popular, so it must suck." As a film, it was fine entertainment (which may be a strike against it -- very few films today try to be entertaining), with both action and a good love story. I'd say it was the opposite -- if you hate the movie, you suck -- or are, at least, terminally immature.


Damn tootin!


As for a movie that I can't imagine anyone actually liking: Mortal Kombat: Annihilation. Fortunately, I've never met anyone who actually liked it. However, I've meet several people who liked Armageddon, unfortunately. And it's hard to respect them after that...

HPL
07-16-2002, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by dantheman
It's easy to understand why people liked Titanic - it was a schmaltzy romance. There are zillions of people who like that.


Actually, I liked it for reasons that had nothing to do with the romance. Because it was a disaster movie and because it was about the Titanic, which I do have more then a passing interesting in (considering I've read A night to remember and the book by Robert Ballard about his discovery).

HPL
07-16-2002, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by MaxTheVool

However, I've meet several people who liked Armageddon, unfortunately. And it's hard to respect them after that...

I don't like it as a sci-fi film. However, if I watch it and think of it as a comedy, I can enjoy it.

dantheman
07-16-2002, 03:55 PM
The thing is, movies are the most subjective form out there.

If a critic said a song or album was great, chances are you'd check to see who the artist was, and then decide whether you wanted to buy the thing.

If a critic raved about a book, a bestseller, even, you'd likely look at the author and then decide whether a murder mystery or a potboiler is for you.

And if a critic loves a TV program, you decide first whether you like that kind of TV show.

But if a critic says that a particular movie was the best ever made, most people run to the theater. No, don't give me that look. I'm not saying everyone is a bunch of mindless twits, not at all. Maybe it's because movies get a lot more hype than any other form, but I think it's also because different aspects of a movie appeal to different people. That's why it's so difficult to recommend a movie to someone, even if you know what they like!

SolGrundy
07-16-2002, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by WordMan
Well, I'll take what feels like a risk here:

Se7en

There, I said it.
Right on, my brother. Although I usually extend my "you suck!" to people who write the title as anything other than "Seven," I'll make an exception here. Sometimes I feel like the only person in the world who recognized this entire movie as pretentious, manipulative tripe with paper-thin characters who exist only to be miserable, be killed, or both.

Speaking of which, my nomination is Dancer in the Dark. Not just a bad movie, but a hateful, manipulative, and predictable one that completely wasted the talents of most of the people involved.

TV time
07-16-2002, 04:42 PM
Another vote for Freddy Got Fingered.

FisherQueen
07-16-2002, 04:50 PM
Titanic would be a great movie if you could go through and digitally remove the two main characters. After all, the special effects and historical detail were very cool.

But as long as those two twits insist on standing front of every piece of cool scenery trying to convince me to care about their pitiful little love story, I will not watch it again.

widdershins
07-16-2002, 05:51 PM
Judgmental as I can be about movies, I usually don't try to write someone off because their taste in flicks, but there are a few exceptions.

Fire Down Below - That inept Steven Segal flick where he's an EPA agent. Bad all the way around, glaring technical errors, stupid plot, howlingly bad dialogue, Segal failing to hid his gut, and still trying pass himself as a credible action star. I was forced to watch this shit when my buddy rented it trying to get in good with the girl at the video store. She liked it, he liked it, several people I work with liked it. These people all need help.

Erin Brocovitch - Julia Roberts chewing the scenery in an ego-trip movie with a warmed over TV movie-of-the-week script. She might as well have paced in front of the camera for two hours holding up a sign saying, "Give Me My Oscar Now!!!" No, she wasn't interesting or engaging; just grating and obnoxious. This wasn't a film, it was a commercial for Julia Roberts. Figure it out already.

Battlefield: Earth - Liking it for non-bad movie or guilty pleasure reasons. A guy at work said he liked the effects and editing style, most people I know found the editing confusing and even nauseating at times. He thought the primative humans learning to fly planes so quickly was only a "minor flaw" in the movie. But he thought Pitch Black was awful. Huh?

NDP
07-16-2002, 06:15 PM
The thing is, movies are the most subjective form out there.

...

Maybe it's because movies get a lot more hype than any other form, but I think it's also because different aspects of a movie appeal to different people. That's why it's so difficult to recommend a movie to someone, even if you know what they like!

I concur. As I get older, I find pettiness in people increasingly irritating. And, to me, few things are more petty (and fascistic) than subjecting one's relationships with people to a series of artistic litmus tests based upon whether one liked Patch Adams, Titanic, Seven, Dancer in the Dark, or whatever movie you personally loved or loathed with the heat of 10,000 suns. If, in the course of a conversation, a person happens to mention he or she likes a movie I dislike (or vice versa), the most I'd do is to ask why and maybe say I disagree with him or her. Then, I'd let it go. There's no use getting into a screaming match or physical altercation over something as subjective and relatively insignificant as one's movie tastes. Life's too short.

That being said, if someone, after seeing Triumph of the Will, told me, "I was really impressed by that German guy with the funny mustache," or, after seeing Birth of the Nation said, "That movie really told the truth about African-Americans," I'd still excuse myself from his presence and back away while avoiding eye contact.

furr
07-16-2002, 06:53 PM
my vote has to go to 'me,myself and irene' .

having recently forced myself into watching this pap as part of my disatation research, i fail to see any value there at all.....for anyone....ever.

riserius1
07-16-2002, 07:37 PM
I'll go out on a REAL limb here and say the entire "Star Wars" canon, with the possible exception of the first movie(yes, I know it's Episode IV: A new hope). That was the one that I thought was a mildly entertaining little tribute movie to the old Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers serials. George Lucas himself admitted that's what inspired him. But then they made another. And another.
Etc.
I think the acting in all these movies is atrocious(I like Mark Hamill much better as the voice of the Joker). The writing is sub-par, but in the first movie I dismissed it as being typical of the old serials it paid tribute to.
And the worst part is that everybody that I know:
1). LOVES the movies. All of them.
2). Thinks the acting and the writing are Oscar material and the Academy won't nominate anything because these movies made money.
3).Is otherwise perfectly normal and quite discriminating in their tastes.

Don't actually tell people that they suck for liking these movies, but I've only met about 3 people in my life that don't care for them. Coincidentally I value these same people's opinions on most things.

Chris W

" "
--Silent Bob

elfkin477
07-16-2002, 07:38 PM
The only time that movies make me doubt people's intelligence, (not to mention deem them entirely without taste) when they profess to like them are when they tell me that they like the Austin Powers ones. Yeah, I can sort of see how they could be funny after a frontal lobotomy, but...

lenin
07-16-2002, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by RealityChuck
Now for a film that no one with a brain* would ever like, there's Battlefield Earth.

*Obviously, this description automatically excludes Scientologists.

You rock.

Jman
07-16-2002, 07:57 PM
See, elfkin, I would say that people who DON'T like the Austin Powers movies either don't get the satire, have no sense of humor, or both. But that's what makes the world interesting.

Jman

MyFootsZZZ
07-16-2002, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by NDP


I concur. As I get older, I find pettiness in people increasingly irritating. And, to me, few things are more petty (and fascistic) than subjecting one's relationships with people to a series of artistic litmus tests based upon whether one liked Patch Adams, Titanic, Seven, Dancer in the Dark, or whatever movie you personally loved or loathed with the heat of 10,000 suns.

Oh relax. No one here really cares, it's all for fun and to see why people are so passionate towards disliking a certain movie. You may learn they have a good reason for disliking a movie so much, and though it might not sway you to feel the same way, you see it in a new perspective. No one here REALLY thinks you can judge a whole person simply for their love of incredibly bad cinema. Just kidding, "bad cinema" is subjective.

This was NOT to be take that seriously. It's fun to read. I didn't mind "Titanic"! Do I care what people say about me for liking it? NO! I invite them to mock me... who cares? If anything I have more respect for them for having that sort of HARMLESS passion. Even some people who have said "I like this movie, I must suck" listed movies they thought people sucked for liking.

You know, where are you people in the threads that bash Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey? There must be SOME people who enjoy their work, (Truman Show was kickass and so was Carrey). Though ripping on actors is admittedly different from ripping on their audiences... who are these people to say certain actors have no talent? Or that they are bad at what they do? Most of them have just seen certain actors in a handful of movies that pretty much have them act the same way they know makes money. It doesn't matter though, because there are people from the other side of the spectrum that express themselves, and perhaps changes the nay-sayes mind. If not, it's all in good fun anyways because you know you can't be WRONG for feeling the way you do about a movie or actor you love.

I tell my best friends they suck all the time, they do the same to me... it truely is out of respect most of the time, beleive it or not.

MyFootsZZZ
07-16-2002, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by WordMan
Well, I'll take what feels like a risk here:

Se7en

There, I said it. I don't know if "suck" is the right word for people who like this movie - clearly it is a thoughtfully done, artful and cinematically well filmed movie. I just happen to think it is evil, damaged and wrong, and if you liked this move....well, YMMV, but I don't know that I want to spend much time in the same room with you....

I agree, this movie made me feel like crap days after viewing. It was so morbid in the end. I'm not talking about blood and guts, just... sad and disturbing.

p@cific@812
07-16-2002, 11:32 PM
Dead Alive
This is one of the few movies that I feel have absolutely no redeeming qualities at all. The only possibly defense of this thing is the "camp factor", but I refuse it even that. How Peter Jackson could have been involved with the both worst (this horrifying excuse for a movie) and best (LOTR) movies ever made is beyond me. Alien abduction perhaps.

:: Resists temptation to rant about Fight Club..... ::

Azure Eternity
07-16-2002, 11:46 PM
I've never hated a movie so much that I would dislike a person simply because they found it entertaining. The only movie I can think of where my feelings come even close is Manos: Hands of Fate, which bean_shadow already mentioned. I saw it and thought it was incredibly dull, terribly shot, terribly acted, etc., but I would very, very much like to meet a person who enoyed it. I cannot even imagine what sort of mind would enjoy this movie, and it would be wonderful to find out. So, if you like Manos: Hands of Fate, you don't suck and I would sincerely like to meet you.

Sylkyn
07-16-2002, 11:51 PM
I am pretty sure I've mentioned this before (at the top of my lungs in a crowded room somewhere)....

but I cannot fathom why anybody liked "The Matrix". It is the only movie in my life where I fell asleep in a theatre.

Boring only touches the surface.


::Waits for every poster on the board to get out the blow torches....::

Also, how could anybody even follow "Traffic"? I was dying to see that movie, and guess what? It blew! Not even good blow either! Just totally blew!! I still don't know what was going on! Thank God I saw it on video or I'd have demanded my money back. Anybody that likes this movie, please explain why! I'd watch Michael Douglas standing still for two hours, and this movie managed to make me resent him.

p@cific@812
07-17-2002, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Azure Eternity
I've never hated a movie so much that I would dislike a person simply because they found it entertaining.
You raise an excellent point. I would add this caveat- as well as make a few grammatical corrections- to my post above if I had it to do over.

:: produces flame-thower from nowhere, ignites flamethrower, nods toward SilkyThreat :: :D

NDP
07-17-2002, 01:52 AM
Oh relax. No one here really cares, it's all for fun and to see why people are so passionate towards disliking a certain movie. You may learn they have a good reason for disliking a movie so much, and though it might not sway you to feel the same way, you see it in a new perspective. No one here REALLY thinks you can judge a whole person simply for their love of incredibly bad cinema. Just kidding, "bad cinema" is subjective.

This was NOT to be take that seriously. It's fun to read.

MyFootsZZZ, I wasn't accusing you of taking this question seriously. In fact, it appears we probably have a similar attitude toward people who don't share our opinion on what is a good movie and what isn't. However, I do think there are some people out there who are maybe a little too intense about their opinions of movies and (especially) music and use them to judge the character of other people. (Of course, nobody here is like that.)

sturmhauke
07-17-2002, 02:52 AM
First there was Highlander. A little cheesy and whatnot, but a good movie. There can be only one.

Then there was Highlander 2. The Immortals come from... another planet? And Connor isn't the last one after all? Uh...

Then there was Highlander 3. Oh, there's another Immortal sealed in a tomb or something. They must have missed him the first two times...?? There was a hot naked chick though.

Then there was Highlander 4, which fundamentally contradicts every other Highlander in nearly every way and therefore doesn't exist. Even besides that, it was horribly, unredeemably bad.

Stimpy
07-17-2002, 03:04 AM
i literally haven't seen a good movie recently, and so can't fathom people who have. it seems peoples expectations of what's on offer and what they get for their money is on a steady decline. i'm not saying i hated any of these movies (lord of the rings, spiderman being just 2 examples), but they did suck. with the possible exception of dancer in the dark which i saw recently on video, and i have to say was right royally impressed.
all time bad movie that no-one else in their right mind should like? so many, so difficult, but i'll plum for Speed 2.... no wait, Gone Fishin!

El Elvis Rojo
07-17-2002, 05:23 AM
Doom Generation. I hate hate HATE that motherfucking movie. It's an absolute piece of shit and the script reads like it was written by a twelve year old who was told it was alright to write "Fuck" for the first time. It's the absolute WORST movie I've EVER SEEN (and that's saying a LOT).


I guess that's why I own the director's cut. DAMNIT!!!!

QueenAl
07-17-2002, 06:39 AM
Dumb and Dumber. I wouldn't think anyone who liked thos movie was a bad person, but I would know that we probably don't have much in common. I can appreciate slapstick, toilet humour, etc - for instance, I LOVE Austin Powers (it's actually quite clever, and takes jokes to their most illogical extreme - like the woman who just won't die) but Dumb and Dumber just makes me cringe.

Oh, Forrest Gump, too. Anyone who thinks 'life is like a box of chocolates' is profound really has not thought that much about it ... or anything else, most likely.

SPOOFE
07-17-2002, 06:54 AM
all time bad movie that no-one else in their right mind should like? so many, so difficult, but i'll plum for Speed 2.... no wait, Gone Fishin!
DON'T YOU DARE MAKE FUN OF GONE FISHING!!!!!!

El Elvis Rojo
07-17-2002, 08:08 AM
Thanks, QueenAl, you reminded me of another one:

Austin Powers. The first one, I have to admit, it was funny, original, and pretty damned good. Up until the third viewing. Then it got old. Then everyone wanted to watch that, and only that, and then it got REALLY old. Then everyone kept mimicing it for more than a year and a half, and it got really, REALLY old.

Then The Spy Who Shagged ME came out, and that was just utter shit. But, it sparked a ressurgence in mimics, and that was bad. Now, with Goldmember coming out, I'm going to go down to the pawn shop and buy myself a gun, and I kill every last sonuvabitch that ever done me wrong.

dantheman
07-17-2002, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by Stimpy
i literally haven't seen a good movie recently, and so can't fathom people who have.

Are you saying it's impossible for people to have liked a recent movie, since you haven't seen one you yourself liked? This would imply that you can't understand why people would like something you don't.

DeadlyAccurate
07-17-2002, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by NDP
However, I do think there are some people out there who are maybe a little too intense about their opinions of movies and (especially) music and use them to judge the character of other people. (Of course, nobody here is like that.)

I'm fine with that, though. As long as people keep throwing out "You suck if your opinion doesn't match mine," it means I'll keep getting paid to give my opinions (though it's games, not movies for me).

I liked many of the movies mentioned in some degree or another. I know someone who liked City of Lost Children, which I felt was just horrible, but I certainly don't think the person sucked for it. All it meant was that their tastes don't match mine, so when they like a movie, I'm more reluctant to try it.

airdisc
07-17-2002, 01:07 PM
Four words:

Any Adam Sandler movie.

Cisco
07-17-2002, 01:22 PM
Oh sorry, I thought this was a thread about the Royal Tenenbaums, or maybe just about anything directed by Wes Anderson. I'll leave now.

MyFootsZZZ
07-17-2002, 08:38 PM
Rushmore was great

Lumpy
07-17-2002, 08:55 PM
My wife has the strangest taste in movies. She thought Robin Williams in Popeye was the best movie she's ever seen. She thought Phantom Menace was great, and actually laughed at Jar-Jar Binks (!)

And she smokes.

Oh well, I still love her.

P.S. maybe I should rent Howard the Duck and Ishtar, and see what she thinks.

dantheman
07-17-2002, 09:01 PM
What's she smoke, Lumpy?

Stoid
07-17-2002, 09:46 PM
I don't know that I'd write anyone off for just liking a particular movie.

However, I knew someone once who declared that "Doc Hollywood" was their favorite movie of all time. I knew immediately that the tenuous friendship we shared was doomed.

Freudian Slit
07-17-2002, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by MyFootsZZZ


I agree, this movie made me feel like crap days after viewing. It was so morbid in the end. I'm not talking about blood and guts, just... sad and disturbing.

Sorry to hijack- I'll take it to another thread if necessary...but isn't that a good thing? It's a good movie in that it made you feel that way. It was powerful and moving enough to evoke an emotion other than disgust at how poorly it was made.

MyFootsZZZ
07-17-2002, 10:13 PM
It's fine if that's what you want from a movie.

Unless I learn something great from a movie, like what people sacrificed in time of war, why would I want to go out and feel make myself feel bad for days? That's not to say I can't see any movie that makes me a little depressed at the end, but why should I claim to like a movie that made me feel bad the way "se7en" did? Now, other people may not be so sensitive... and that's fine. I'm not saying it was a poorly made movie. It did it's job I guess... I just don't find that stuff entraining.

Different things effect different people. Maybe there are movie out there that are hard for you to watch that I like.

Now, I DON'T think anyone who likes "se7en" sucks.
Zoggie, I understand what you are saying. =)

ravesaint
07-17-2002, 10:49 PM
I think I have a safe one. One that no human being could possibly protest. Ever.

Joe's Apartment (The crapousel flick about the guy with the roaches in his apartment, supposedly was a comedy.)

I knew it would suck when I first saw the previews, but my friend liked the old MTV skit and wanted to see it, so I went with.

I still hate him for that. We went on opening night, and were literally the only people in the theatre. I'm pretty sure MTV only made $10 total on that piece of trash, and half of it came from me.

The acting sucked, the story sucked, the jokes sucked. There was nothing in the movie that failed to suck. The only redeeming quality it had was that it ended.

If you did see this movie and actually liked it, I will have to assume that there is something terribly, terribly wrong with you.

Craneop2
07-18-2002, 01:23 AM
I gotta agree with Queen Al..

Everybody RAVED about it and I decided to decided to go see FORREST GUMP..WHAT a waste of 3 and a half hours..Phoney effects and the story line was just too damn silly...

His Jenny dieing from HIV contracted in the the 60's revolutionary days with aids?? They didn't even know about aids untill the 80's IIRC..

Anyway a very fall asleep movie for me!!

Crane

MyFootsZZZ
07-18-2002, 01:28 AM
They didn't say she got HIV in the 60's

OpalCat
07-18-2002, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by Jman
See, elfkin, I would say that people who DON'T like the Austin Powers movies either don't get the satire, have no sense of humor, or both. But that's what makes the world interesting.

Jman

Austin Powers was mindless and vaguely amusing if you could pay attention long enough.

Austin Powers II was disgusting and made me actually queasy.

Avalonian
07-18-2002, 03:18 AM
I've got two, and I'm probably going to get lynched for them, because they're both popular. If it makes anybody feel better, some movies I like have been mentioned here, so I've already been raked over the coals. I suck. I knew it anyway.

However, I think you suck if you liked When Harry Met Sally (The Movie in which People Never Change... ugh) or Armageddon (the debris was burning in space! COME ON!).

There... just desserts. :P Heh.

Sublight
07-18-2002, 05:47 AM
As a James Bond fan, I found Austin Powers (I) to be a very funny parody for the most part.

Austin Powers II, on the other hand, I thought was a waste, and I've seriously wondered about those who said they thought it was great.

Things to do in Denver when you're Dead is another film whose fans I seriously wonder about. I'm not too serious about this one, however, since I enjoyed Pulp Fiction, which I know some people hate with a passion. I've concluded that our reasons for liking one and hating the other are probably similar.

anya marie
07-18-2002, 06:03 AM
You want to know why i hate Austin Powers movies?!? Do you? Not toly is the Austin Powers the skeeziest, creepiest motherfucker EVER. Everyone who saw the movie had to do those lines in that grating voice, they also thought it was the funniest thng ever.

And neither do I have a great voice, but it is improved by not braying lines from one of the suckiest movies EVER, at the top of my lungs.

Other movies I have no intention of seeing ever, are HeartBreakers, Corky Romano, Serendipity, A Walk To Remember, The Crocodile Hunter and any of the
Halloween movies.

dantheman
07-18-2002, 06:56 AM
Oh that's a good reason to hate a movie, because a lot of people imitate the lead - why not despise them instead? :) Easier, saves time....

Mockingbird
07-18-2002, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by MyFootsZZZ
Rushmore was great

Great crap, maybe.

:D

sirtonyh
07-18-2002, 10:49 AM
Wow - I suck a whole lot more than I thought I did.

Reading through the messages I see a bunch of movies I liked (either a whole lot or at least a bit)

Dr T & The Women
Rambo III
Titanic
Eyes Wide Shut
6th Day
5th Element
Se7en (now this is a classic movie - easily as good as Silence of the Lambs in the serial killer genre
Erin Brokovitch
Me, Myself & Irene
The Matrix
Forrest Gump
Phantom Menace
When Harry Met Sally

I own about 1/2 of these on DVD's and at least 4 of them are bona-fide classics (then again, we already established I really, really suck so I could be wrong)

And I can even see redeeming features in Armageddon. Not many admittedly, but there are a couple.

Banger
07-18-2002, 11:04 AM
Independence Day.

Doublemint
07-18-2002, 01:40 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by WordMan
Well, I'll take what feels like a risk here:

Se7en

There, I said it.
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Right on, my brother. Although I usually extend my "you suck!" to people who write the title as anything other than "Seven," I'll make an exception here. Sometimes I feel like the only person in the world who recognized this entire movie as pretentious, manipulative tripe with paper-thin characters who exist only to be miserable, be killed, or both.


Couldn't agree more, guys, what a horrible, nasty, dreadful flick,

I must now deny the existance of such other cinimatic grotequeries (is that a word) such as Aliens 3, any Highlander with a number after it, and Batman & Robin.

dantheman
07-18-2002, 01:46 PM
Still doesn't mean that those who dared to enjoy it suck.

Bumbazine
07-18-2002, 08:20 PM
In my youth I spent a great deal of time trying to find girls who liked movies and sucked, so I don't see your problem.




Oh.

Nevermind.

Motog
07-18-2002, 11:27 PM
I also find it a bit hard to dislike people for their choices in movies but I make two exceptions to this:

* Fatal Attraction. I found everything about this movie- the premise, the theme, the moral, the misogyny (sp?)- so thoroughly objectionable that I walked out and have since refused to watch any movie that has involved any of its main actors. I have found it difficult not to think less of people who express a like for it simply because I can't help but see them as being a bit unintelligent

*Forrest Gump. A movie that tries to teach us that some sort of half-witted, wilfull ignorance is a good idea. Again, I found the theme and the moral of the story so objectionable that I can't help but question the intelligence of those who liked it. I have been unable to watch anything with Tom Hanks in it since (though, come to think of it, I did watch Saving Private Ryan)

These are not the movies I have disliked the most (I save that for Kevin Costner films) but the ones that have raised questions within me about people who like them.

Motog
07-18-2002, 11:46 PM
Wait, wait. I just remembered a film from my youth that actually caused me to end a friendship! I went to a friend's place one rainy Saturday to watch a few videos. One of them was called "Attack of the bloodsucking freaks" or something like that. It was about a circus (or something) that kidnapped young women and tortured then murdered them in a sort of snuff show. It was very graphic and very disgusting.

I left the room after only a few minutes and refused to come back. My friend continued to watch it until he finally worked out that I really was disgusted by it. I went home shortly afterwards.

Later I found that I was so repulsed by the fact that he apparently enjoyed what, to me, was the foulest thing I had ever seen, that I was never able to bring myself to talk to him again.

Blalron
07-19-2002, 12:10 AM
I know a girl who calls "Armageddon", "Dude where's my car?", and "Freddy Got Fingered" her favorite movies. ARGH! HOW BRAINLESS COULD YOU BE?

Hallo Space Girl
07-19-2002, 06:18 AM
I'm not sure if many people have seen this movie, but I raise an eyebrow to those who have seen it and like it (not that I've met any). "Reanimator", which is based on the novel by H.P. Lovecraft was so horrible. The effects were terrible and the plot was retarded (a crazy psychologist who invents and lobotomy LASER???? and then uses it on reanimated corpses to control their minds to make them kidnap this chick he wants to bang and then ends up using his reanimated, decapitated head to eat her out. You'd think they was an easier way to do all that.) But I must say in its defense, I laughed at it. OH! A decapitated head CANNOT 'breathe' by sticking it in a tray of blood!!!!!!!!!!! Oi vey.:smack:

burntsand
07-19-2002, 06:43 AM
[Lose All Indie Cred]

"Withnail and I" - completely unfathomable and unfunny. People in university thought this was the funniest movie ever. They must have had access to better drugs than me.

[/Lose All Indie Cred]

gobear
07-19-2002, 06:54 AM
It takes all kinds to make a world. I don't think that anybody who likes a movie I abhor "sucks," but it would fair to think that perhaps our world views are too different to have any kind of a relationship. For example, I couldn't imagine being friends with anybody who didn't like Monty Python--it's not bad on their part, just not in sync enough with my sensibilities to want to spend time with them.

For example, I think Reanimator is a brilliant melange of Grand Guignol horror and slapstick comedy--in the "giving head" scene, one wants to giggle and hurl at the same time.

GSV Consolation of Dreams
07-19-2002, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by Sublight
Things to do in Denver when you're Dead is another film whose fans I seriously wonder about. I'm not too serious about this one, however, since I enjoyed Pulp Fiction, which I know some people hate with a passion. I've concluded that our reasons for liking one and hating the other are probably similar.

Well I only saw it on video but I thought Denver was quite good. Worth it if only for Treat Williams in camo facepaint howling "I am Godzilla, you are JAPAAAN!" after shooting someone.

dalovindj
07-19-2002, 11:45 AM
Night at the Roxbury. Other than the "Did you just grab my ass?" bit, that movie blew and so do you (if you liked it).

Did you just grab my ass?

Come on.

I know it was you.

Just admit it.

It's all right if you did, just don't lie to me about it.

Fine. Play it that way. Just know that I'm watching [i]you]/i].

DaLovin' Dj

OpalCat
07-19-2002, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by burntsand
[Lose All Indie Cred]

"Withnail and I" - completely unfathomable and unfunny. People in university thought this was the funniest movie ever. They must have had access to better drugs than me.

[/Lose All Indie Cred]

Hey man... I love that movie (and I have such a crush on "I") I have it on tape!

OpalCat
07-19-2002, 01:29 PM
"kill it instantly before it tries to make friends with you!!"

Rilchiam
07-24-2002, 03:20 AM
I know I'm condemning my entire generation by saying this, but I don't know how anyone with an ounce of compassion could think Breakfast Club is a great film.

I'm not saying it's 100% bad. It's redeemed somewhat by Estevez' character, and by the scene between Vernon and the custodian. But I cannot understand all these people who say "I love Bender...he rules," when his character makes it into the OJ/Nicole training video.

John Hughes was dissed by a cheerleader in 1966, and this film is his hate letter to all women.

Bender belongs in the early sixties, when a guy with mechanic’s clothes and an attitude was all that. In the ‘80s, he would have had a scraggly mullet, a Levi’s vest, and an Iron Maiden t-shirt. He would also have been nowhere near as articulate. And Claire has a flip! That’s it: "He’s a rebel and he’ll never ever be any good…"

Bender is a big baby, that's all. When all else fails, he falls back on pushing and throwing things like a kindergartner. That was a great shot of him looking through the balcony railings. That’s where he belongs: in a playpen. Andrew is right when he says that Bender is no one to judge anyone, and that he has no right to be a pain in the ass.

And he wonders why everybody doesn’t love him? "You don’t know any of my friends"---because they offer no opportunity to get to know them. "You don’t look at any of my friends"---because making eye contact with someone who walks with his fists clenched is too risky. "You wouldn’t condescend to speak to any of my friends"---About what? And why? Just to be told to fuck off? He acts like he hates everyone else's way of doing things, but he can't bear it that they don't like his way.

Claire is not responsible for Bender's circumstances. Neither is Vernon, nor anyone else. He demands change, but is unwilling to modify his own behavior. If he wants to prove something, why doesn’t he make something of himself? He’s a straight white male who has his health. There are a lot of people with more reason to be bitter. Imagine being disabled, for instance.

She's not a bad person because she has diamond earrings. Whatever circumstances led her to get such a gift are her business and hers only. Maybe her dad busted his ass all his life so his kids could have it better than he did, and if he wants to give his daughter diamond earrings, he can do that. Conversely, maybe the earrings were "thrown" at her, rather than given to her, to make up for some incident when her parents let her down.

I think this would not have found a following in subsequent generations if they saw it uncut, instead of the censored version that’s shown ad infinitum on TBS. You don’t get the full impact of Bender’s evil when you hear "fancy prom" instead of "fucking prom".

You don’t get over that. You remember it for the rest of your life, wishing you’d said this or said that, and telling yourself it wasn’t true what he said…but the damage is done, and you’ve lost something of yourself. She never gets to say anything in her defense. But what is there to say? You can’t match that kind of aggression. All you get is a sore throat.

"Go home and cry to your daddy." That’s how a rapist treats his victim. She looks to him for approval, and he nods. She’s learning! That’s how a battered woman acts towards her abuser: appease him at all costs and give up everything of yourself.

People: How would you feel if you were the recipient of those tirades?

And since when is it a conquest to make a teenage girl cry, anyway?

"We’ll get the prom queen impregnated?" That’s not an insult, that's a threat.

And as far as nail polish, don't Bender's women wear nail polish?

Beyond that:

---These subjects are too complex for a 90-minute film. Like all this tripe about virginity. Of course, in John Hughes' candy-colored world, no one could ever get pregnant, there are no STDs, a guy who gets it anywhere he can is a hero, and a girl who wants to wait for a guy she can trust is a bitch.

---As far as that goes, I wonder how many of those girls have Bender's baby?

---I can’t speak for everyone, but when I was a teenager in the ‘80s, the student council-cheerleader-jock-and-beauty-queen types were regarded as dinosaurs. We, the so-called misfits, were ragging on them. We didn’t need them.

--- Two alpha males, one beta male, one attractive, helpless female, one oddball female. How bloody original.

---Since when do teenagers wait their turn to speak?

---I have never heard of an unsupervised detention. Bender in particular should not be left alone with young women.

---Brian turns ghastly white and squeaks "That was MARIJUANA!" Apparently Hughes doesn’t know that it was guys like him---overachievers or academic puppets---who were the midnight tokers in the ‘80s. It was the best way to take the edge off.

---And no one’s going to bring sushi to school. It would already be spoiled by noon.

Rilchiam
07-24-2002, 03:24 AM
I don't hate Judd Nelson as an actor; just for this role. I liked him in New Jack City, for instance. And, on the basis of Planes, Trains and Automobiles, I don't wish John Hughes in hell. Just purgatory.

OpalCat
07-24-2002, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by Rilchiam
I'm not saying it's 100% bad. It's redeemed somewhat by Estevez' character, and by the scene between Vernon and the custodian. But I cannot understand all these people who say "I love Bender...he rules,"

There is a very, very simple answer:

Judd Nelson = seeeeeeeeeexxxxxxxxxxy!

dantheman
07-24-2002, 06:28 AM
Flaring nostrils and all?

Rilchiam
07-24-2002, 06:29 AM
Oh, Opal, you disappoint me!

Anyway, he looks too old to be in high school!