Marry a Millionaire babe's different tune

[John John]

Now that she was picked, given a $35,000 ring, married on the air, went on a free paid honeymoon with new hubby, she says she is not an airhead and sorry she did it. She had numerous opportunities to back out prior to being picked, had to sign many wavier documents, she now disparages the whole process. Why did she enter in the first place? After the fact sounds too hollow.

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Pas grande chose.

[Kiki]

If the millionaire had turned out to be a good looking guy and didn't have the restraining order 9 years ago... she probably would have stayed in the marraige a little longer. Because he is getting all the bad publicity she is trying to validate her reasons for marrying him. She says there was a lot of pressure from the show and she just entered for a lark! Yeah right. She thought she was going to get a JFK Jr. with Donald Trumps money! It just didn't turn out the way she wanted.

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That John Denver's full of shit man!

[John John]

You hit the nail on the head, Rachelle. What a load of crap is she peddling now.

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Pas grande chose.

[handy]

You missed:
A. Live chat with her on the net.
B. A couple other messages on this in the other forum.
C. Her many interviews where she said she did it because she wanted a little vacation...after all, she is a ER nurse, that is a lot of work. But would be nice to wakeup & see her face.

[starfish]

She did it for the publicity. The same reason he did it.

[John John]

That's my guess too. She got down in the slime with the show's producers and other contestants and NOW she wants to come up smelling so clean and above it all. If she thought the show was so awful, it was, she never should have gotten involved. There are many other ways to take a vaction. She is being a phony about it, all the while reveling in the publicity.

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[TubaDiva]

So she's a skanky old ho because she didn't want to live with a potential wife beater?

What was he, Prince Charming? (I almost typed "Price Charming," that IS more appropriate.)

Yeah, everybody involved in this (except maybe for the janitor that cleaned the theater) comes out of this showing some poor judgement. However, I can certainly understand someone that has been the principal caretaker of an ailing parent for well over a year . . . who lost their beloved father in that year . . . . who works a very stressful job to begin with . . . I can see someone in those Ferragamos longing for something, ANYTHING, that would give her a break. Even something as potentially stupid as this.

Does that make her smart? No. Does it make her human? Most certainly.

Of course, to understand human, you have to have some humanity. Not everybody on this board is so capable.

your humble TubaDiva

[John John]

Tuba, all the things you recount are from HER version of things. I saw her face when she was picked and she look like one of those blondes from Alabama that just got picked for Miss America, all shaky and in disbelief that they picked lil ole her. She was agog and in the spirit of things. There were many times PRIOR to that moment when she could have backed out, and she didn't. She wanted the 15 minutes of fame.

I do have humanity, but I save it for REAL cases of woe.

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[TubaDiva]

To the contrary: her husband revealed all the stuff about her family to the world.

In fact, he's perhaps the only guy in the world to be entitled to stand in judgement of her and he supports her, pretty much. He says she's a wonderful woman.

The fact that she made a mistake that makes her look like a total fool before the entire world, that she's now tied to a man that is capable of lifting a hand to her, that her personal life is public news, that she's been humilated and ashamed, that's nothing for her to feel bad about, now is it? She got a dollar or two and a ring and a car and a trip, by your lights she should be grateful, huh?

your humble TubaDiva
Got just the show for you, "Who Wants To Be An Insensitive Idjit?"

[Jeannie]

I got the new issue of People Magazine with these two on the cover. The article was very interesting (well, it was to ME). Apparently, according to one ex-girlfriend, he is so cheap that he reuses Ziploc bags (ick!). And you know how they said she was a Gulf War veteran? Well, apparently, there's no record of her having been involved in that conflict at all. I don't consider "People" to be a real hard-hitting news source, but I thought that stuff was interesting.

[OliverTwistofLime]

I have no proof of course but its on very reliable hearsay that the newly-wed was fired from her position in the E.R. long before she applied to the production and secondly, it its said that she is or was a friend of the producer's wife. If you want sources, I won't give them to you but perhaps someone out there might provide supporting info.

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Amos Bronson Alcott

[TubaDiva]

I see that People has the same great mix of unreliable "facts" and breezy opinion that has made it the #1 read in powder rooms everywhere.

(In the interests of full disclosure, I confess I worked at People for 3 years. I know what I'm talking about here.)

If I still worked there, one of the things I could have told them is that you didn't have to stand on the sand to be a Gulf War veteran. To give an example, if your reserve unit was mobilized to go somewhere to free up another unit to go to the desert, ALL of you were Desert Storm veterans.

And ya know, "hearsay" is realllll reliable, the only reason this site isn't called "Straight Dope and uncorroborated stuff we picked up on the street corner" is that it makes the business cards too big. :)

I don't know the whole story, but Ms. Conger says she was on a leave of absence and will soon be returning to work. Good nurses are hard come by and if she doesn't continue where she was, she'll soon be somewhere else.

Ya know, none of you guys have said a single word about the man she married. Guess he's a solid citizen, it's okay to beat women, etc.

your humble TubaDiva

[John John]

Ms. DivaThe fact that she made a mistake that makes her look like a total fool before the entire world, that she's now tied to a man that is capable of lifting a hand to her, that her personal life is public news, that she's been humilated and ashamed, that's nothing for her to feel bad about, now is it? She got a dollar or two and a ring and a car and a trip, by your lights she should be grateful, huh

You're confusing the issue here, Tuba. It is not that she should live with the jerk SHE MARRIED on TV, but that she was part of it by her own choice and now wants to appear as if she is not. She didn't have to go on national TV and be part of a group of women looking to marry a man for his money. No one raised the issue of character as one of the qualities they were seeking, only his million. So, who is surprised he turns out to be a shithead?

If you read the few posts above you will see that SHE is not exactly what she purports to be. I'm not surprised.

Again, she was part of it but NOW wants to appear that she is above it all. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

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[TubaDiva]

I disagree.

Yeah, it can be said she was silly; apparently she thought the title was "Who Wants a Free Trip to Las Vegas?" But it ain't the first time somebody did something stupid like this.

Let me give you another true life example.

A long time ago, I played in the band for a local beauty pageant; one of those "Miss Junior Whatevers."

There was a little girl there who was an exceptional dancer; she was heads and shoulders and leaps and bounds over all the other baton twirlers and whatnot competing.

And she wound up winning the whole damn shooting match. When they announced her name, she screamed, literally screamed, fell in the floor, etc.

After the thing was over I heard that was not a scream of joy, she was furious; she had only entered to try to win the talent part of it. She wanted the big scholarship prize for winning the talent part, she didn't care about anything else, she hated the whole pageant deal. Because she won the whole thing, they gave the talent scholarship to some runner up and she got to go on the Junior Miss pageant circuit instead. Congratulations!

Sure, look before you leap. (Literally. :) )Both these women learned there are consequences to every action, even winning ones. But I don't think that makes either of these women witches with a capital b, either.

Basically she had a one in 50 chance of winning . . . and by winning, she lost. She thought she'd have a nice week in Las Vegas, make some new friends, get a Palm Pilot, go home refreshed, ready to pick up her life again, with a hardly worn wedding dress to hang in the closet. Life IS what happens when you make other plans. It might make her an idiot, but it does not make her a bad person.

your humble TubaDiva

[John John]

DivaBut I don't think that makes either of these women witches with a capital b, either.

Basically she had a one in 50 chance of winning . . . and by winning, she lost. She thought she'd have a nice week in Las Vegas, make some new friends, get a Palm Pilot, go home refreshed, ready to pick up her life again, with a hardly worn wedding dress to hang in the closet. Life IS what happens when you make other plans. It might make her an idiot, but it does not make her a bad person.

Both women are, of course not, bitches but must have realized that you do not get to pick and chose what parts you want to be considered for and what parts you think you're above. The person in your example was a girl, Ms Conger is an adult. I just have a bit of a problem in the "I'm really not the type of person to enter this greedy pagent " after the fact. Her explainations are too selfserving. Entering a grueling pagent is relaxing? Even you don't believe that.

Her claims of being a Desert Storm Vet are false, it seems, too.

I do not want to vilify her but I do not accept her " I'm really above it all" rant now.



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[Frankie]

Tuba-
The only problem people seem to have is her claim that she would never lower herself to actually be on this show...But she did...

When they had the last time to talk to him. She could have said "Listen, I don't think this is a good idea. I don't know you and I don't really want to marry you. But i'd love to go on a cruise."

But in reality she said " I want to be you wife, best friend and lover..." or something to that effect. If you act like a whore...then you are a whore.

and Rick Rockwell is pathetic, he was pathetic before this and will continue to be pathetic.

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I'm a wholesale dealin papa, but I retail on the side.-Brownie McGhee

[TubaDiva]

Her claims of being a Desert Storm Vet are false, it seems, too.

How so?

I do not want to vilify her but I do not accept her " I'm really above it all" rant now.

Maybe it's a question of perspective here. What you see as "I'm really above it all" is what I see as embarrassment.

A possible change of mind update: That being said, how many times can you go on national TV and admit how embarrassed you are? I do admit I'm starting to wonder some myself.

When they had the last time to talk to him. She could have said "Listen, I don't think this is a good idea. I don't know you and I don't really want to marry you. But i'd love to go on a cruise."

But in reality she said " I want to be you wife, best friend and lover..." or something to that effect. If you act like a whore...then you are a whore.

Wait a minute. I haven't seen THIS anywhere. In fact, what I've heard reported from both sides is that they made a good faith effort to get to know one another on the cruise . . . accepting that they were strangers, albeit married to one another . . . they found they really didn't have much in common . . . and separated from that point.

If you want to get technical about it, they're both a couple of whores in that they got married for publicity in the first place. Why is she the only target of your opprobrium here?

your humble TubaDiva
just curious.

[Jeannie]

Let me point out that when I talked about the "People" article, I mentioned some stuff about him, too. He has one ex-girlfriend who had a restraining order on him and another who says that he's so cheap that when he took her out for a birthday last year, he expected her to foot half the bill. I'm not focusing on her. I think they're both idiots.

[John John]

Diva[quote]If you want to get technical about it, they're both a couple of whores in that they got married for publicity in the first place. Why is she the only target of your opprobrium here?[/quote[

That's valid question, Jenny, and I would like to take a stab at an answer. The reason SHE is the object of so much ire is because SHE is the one who is now saying how horrible it all was and how much she didn't want to be part of it. It's obvious that this guy is a shit, but she is trying to be too above it all AFTER THE FACT.

The reason she is not a "Desert Storm" vet is simple. She was not part of the storm. Example. If people fought in Tet, were wounded and spent several days in intense fighting, watching people die, and you worked in the PX in Haiwaii, would it be fair to call yourself a Vet of THAT campaign? Of course not.



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[TubaDiva]

John, you have misstated the situation.

I hope someone who actually did serve their country sets you straight here, but I can tell you ONCE AGAIN that the armed forces consider people to be Gulf War veterans if they served in ANY capacity during the conflict in a direct or indirect way. That includes, btw, nursing. I don't know where she served but iirc, most of the wounded were shipped to Germany. If she was there, she was, believe it or not, a Gulf War vet.

If her reserve unit replaced another unit somewhere else in the world and THAT unit went to the desert, everybody in her unit was a Gulf War veteran.

By your reasoning, everybody that served in the second world war that didn't get to the Asian or European theater really didn't serve. Wanna argue that one too?

your humble TubaDiva

[Monty]

Our humble Tuba has stated the case quite correctly; however, I seriously doubt the infamous cyberian will actually pay attention to the facts.

Most of the folks "working the PX" by the way are civilians. The military members were out serving their country, you might recall. Be that as it may, even some folks who didn't "touch the desert sands" got their enlistments extended involuntarily so they'd still be on active duty during the Gulf War. That would mean that the military considers them to be Gulf War vets, regardless of what the infamous cyberian thinks.

[Major Feelgud]

The way I see it. She went on the show to marry a good looking rich guy. She was almost simpering with joy when she got picked. Video doesn't lie. Then she backed out when she found out he wasn't Donald Trump. You think she'd back out if Rockwell was Forbes or Trump rich? Heck no. Get real. And look at Trump, you don't even need to be good looking to get the babes. Case in point the old guy Anna Nicole Smith married. I wonder if he got any whoopie with her.

What gets me, is there WAS a point in the show where he got down on one knee and asked her to marry him. Did her brain go AWOL ? She could have said no right then and there, and gone away with all the stuff and the nice weekend. She said "yes" Tuba. So unless there was a specific line in a contract somewhere that said she HAD to say yes if picked (and I doubt the legal validity of that) then she dug her own grave. Thus she has nothing to complain about . . . again and again and again on national tv.

As for Rockwell, he deserves everything he is getting too. He's an idiot, quite possibly a violent one.

[John John]

Ms. DivaI hope someone who actually did serve their country sets you straight here, but I can tell you ONCE AGAIN that the armed forces consider people to be Gulf War veterans if they served in ANY capacity during the conflict in a direct or indirect way. That includes, btw, nursing. I don't know where she served but iirc, most of the wounded were shipped to Germany. If she was there, she was, believe it or not, a Gulf War vet

I think you are not understanding the point I'm making about the Vet thing, and YES, I did actually serve my country in uniform.

Yes, they are Vets if they served but *I* do not consider them part of any campaign they did not fight in. The service would also not give them a campaign ribbon if they did not touch that soil. Let me give you another example. If you fought in the Battle of the Bulge, laid there in the snow, had mortars dropped on you and got wounded, and another guy stayed in England in a warm, safe barracks, would they both be considered to be Battle of the Bulge Vets? OF COURSE NOT.

If her Lilly white feet never touched the sand I can,t see calling her a Vet of THAT campaign. If she were a nurse in Ryaid I would say yes. Many nurses were just as traumatized as the front line guys from what they saw and had to endure.

Getting back to her, I think she is not telling 100% of the truth. I think she doth protest TOO much.



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[Rhythmdvl]

Yea, I can see her getting into the contest on a lark and not being so happy with it as she progressed. I can even see the excitement on her face from being picked as a finalist as real excitement over winning the loot, trip and ego-inflating attention. I kind of think of the special Fra-gee-lea prize from X-mas Story… a contest prize can seem more valuable to the winner than to the rest of us. So when the accolades and moolah began slowing down and reality started squeezing her, naturally she began to express what were now her 'true' feelings - and doing her best to recover whatever scraps of dignity she could find.

However… Didn't the final five contestants get a chance to make their 'personal' speech right before he chose them? I was not watching the show directly (it was on in the other room, but I kept half an ear on it) but I seem to recall all of them making some sort of simpering soliloquy about how much they were going to grow to love Mr. Howell. Does anyone recall Ms. Gymrat's little speech? To me, that would speak to her character much more than her recent protests.

Lastly, why don't I see Mr. Magoo getting as much flack for Fox's little charade? (Or is he and I am just missing it?) Seems to me that Mr. McDuck went to visit a whorehouse on national television. Notta lotta class there.

Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening.


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if you look at it right…

[Monty]

Yes, they are Vets if they served but *I* do not consider them part of any campaign they did not fight in. The service would also not give them a campaign ribbon if they did not touch that soil. Let me give you another example. If you fought in the Battle of the Bulge, laid there in the snow, had mortars dropped on you and got wounded, and another guy stayed in England in a warm, safe barracks, would they both be considered to be Battle of the Bulge Vets? OF COURSE NOT.

If her Lilly white feet never touched the sand I can,t see calling her a Vet of THAT campaign. If she were a nurse in Ryaid I would say yes. Many nurses were just as traumatized as the front line guys from what they saw and had to endure.

I swear I'm trying to keep this short, but the amount of misinformation from cyb is just amazing!

Firstly, and as I said above, regardless of what cyberian thinks, the importan issue is what the military establishment considers to constitute veteran status of a particular war or campaign.

Let's take his stance on the Riyadh assignment as an example and even apply it retroactively to the daytime bombing flights during World War Two. Now, the bomber crews got shot at while they were over Germany, didn't they? But the units were stationed in the United Kingdom. The ground crews to include the mechanics and the medical teams were just as much a part of that campaign as the bomber crews themselves.

But in this case, old cyberian again refuses to address the facts of the matter. In the People magazine article online ([url]http://www.pathfinder.com/people/weekly/features/index3.html), the following statement appears:

That same year [1986] she enlisted in the Air Force and served as a medic in Korea and in Utah before her discharge in 1991. (The show presented her as a Gulf War veteran, but her military records show no sign of service in the war zone.)

Here the author of that article is implying, as cyberian seems to be also, that only those who served in the war zone were veterans of the Gulf War itself.

BTW, I'm sure all the Sailors and Marines who served aboard ship in the Gulf really appreciate cyberian's stance that they didn't really serve in that campaign unless they put their feet in the sands of Iraq. Luckily, it's the military and the government, not cyberian, who get to make that determination. And such determination has been made in the affirmative. Sailors and Marines at sea, who did not "touch the sand" did receive a campaign ribbon for Desert Storm.

I'll go with the govermnent on this one, Johnny ol' joke.

[Keeves]

I once heard the following supposedly-true story, about a man who was trying to demonstrate what he thought of a certain woman. I don't know who the woman was, but I think the man was either Winston Churchill or Groucho Marx...

Man: Would you sleep with me if I gave you a hundred million dollars?
Woman: Just once? No strings attached? Yes, I suppose I would.
Man: Would you do it for five dollars?
Woman: Five dollars???!!!! What kind of woman do you think I am???!!!!
Man: We've clearly established exactly what kind of woman you are. Now we're just haggling over the price.

[Bluepony]

That she is a veteran, because of her military record is not in dispute. I don't know if she claimed to be a Gulf War Veteran or if Fox claimed she was.

Those of us who served in the Gulf War were in an AO (Area Of Operations) that was strictly defined by the DoD. I'm not sure what it was exactly, but it encompassed the Arabian Peninsula, the Iraqi AO, the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea and certain other parts of the Middle East and southern Turkey. The award of the Southwest Asia Service Medal during the time of (approx) Aug. 1990 to about April or May of 1992 was given to all US military personnel who served in the AO.

In addition, for some of us who were in the AO from the time of Aug 1990 to Feb-Mar 1991, the dates the buildup and actual shooting began and ended, the Saudi Arabian government awarded all Coalition military personnel in the AO, the Kuwaiti Liberation Medal, which can be worn on a US military uniform. The Government of Kuwait chimed in later an awarded the Kuwaiti Kuwait Liberation Medal to us. This was carried to its most ridiculous extreme, since it closely resembled the Saudi Kuwait Liberation Medal. Since, in the Air Force, we can choose not to wear all of our awards and medals, I promptly awarded my Kuwaiti medal to my dog for faithful service. It hangs on his collar to this day.

Ms. Conger, by her service in Utah and Korea during the time frame ending in 1991 would be awarded the National Defense Service Medal, an additional US award that was given to all US military personnel in that period, regardless of where she served.

As a minimum, those of us that served in the Gulf War and in the Persian Gulf AO received the Southwest Asia Service Medal, the (Saudi) Kuwait Liberation Medal, and the National Defense Service Medal.

All these together are what we referred to as "I was there" medals, and really don't particuarly make a big impression within the military circles, both active and retired. Consider, that if there were any more US military personnel on the Saudi peninsula just prior to the start of the shooting, we might've sunk the country into the Gulf from the sheer weight of all of us and our equipment. :)

With these parameters, you make the call. Just among us retired military types, the general rule is that you should've been walking, floating or flying in the AO during the actual wartime operations to call yourself a Gulf War vet.



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[Keeves]

Credit where credit is due. Thanks, Mojo.

[Monty]

Bluepony:

Many Servicemembers felt that those Soldiers captured in the former Yugoslavia didn't deserve the Purple Heart medals awarded to them by the government. But, and this is the important thing to remember here, regardless of your personal opinion in the matter, those folks met the requirements set for the medal concerned. If you don't lke it, take it up the chain of command or with the government. But no matter how long and loud you shout "it ain't so," well, guess what, it is so.

And just for fun, I'm looking at a job application that asks:

Have you served during a time of combat/national emergency?

Have you served in combat?

Interesting, isn't it?

[John John]

MontyHere the author of that article is implying, as cyberian seems to be also, that only those who served in the war zone were veterans of the Gulf War itself

I'll try to make this short too. Some Naval Office Pinkie is not the last work on what transpires in combat. You must be in the theater of operations to receive a campaign ribbon. If you served in Europe in teh War, as an example, you do NOT get a Pacific campaign medal, and vice-versa.

Naval personel that served on Warships, which excludes you, are just as intitled to service and campaign ribbons as teh grunts who wer in teh field. But, you need to pay attention here Monty, if YOU where at your lil ole typewriter in DC or Anacosta, Virgina you would NOT get that campaign medal. Ihn short, you do not get a combat ribbon unless you were in combat.

I realize your new age interpretations would be all inclusive and would give heroic mention of the people back State-side that made the uniforms.tra la

Calling me Cyberain only makes you seem foolish.

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[manhattan]

Lord knows how I missed this one for four days. Well, it had GD potential, but it now seems personal enough that the Pit is the right place for it.

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[John John]

BlueponyThose of us who served in the Gulf War were in an AO (Area Of Operations) that was strictly defined by the DoD. I'm not sure what it was exactly, but it encompassed the Arabian Peninsula, the Iraqi AO, the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea and certain other parts of the Middle East and southern Turkey. The award of the Southwest Asia Service Medal during the time of (approx) Aug. 1990 to about April or May of 1992 was given to all US military personnel who served in the AO.

Exactly what I've labored to get the Office Pinkie Monty-types to understand. If Ms Conger was in Utah during the hostilities she gets squat and if she was in Korea before or after the dates mentioned above she gets squat. Do you undestand NOW Monty?

blueponyWith these parameters, you make the call. Just among us retired military types, the general rule is that you should've been walking, floating or flying in the AO during the actual wartime operations to call yourself a Gulf War vet.

Understand this a little better now Monty?

Monty, buy a vowel!

JOHN L/cpl, grunt, USMC H&S Co 1st bat 6th Marines & 1st bat 2nd Marines, 2nd Div Fleet Marine Force FMF




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[Mojo Rising]

From today's Studio Brief at the IMDB:

http://us.imdb.com/StudioBrief/#7

No Love -- But No War Either?

In yet another embarrassing revelation concerning the Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire? fiasco, it has now turned out that bride Darva Conger was not, as she claimed on the show, a veteran of the Gulf War. Inside Edition on Monday produced documents showing that Conger spent the period stateside. "From looking at her records, it wouldn't lead you to believe that" she ever saw action, an Air Force spokesman told today's (Tuesday) Washington Post. Conger, on the other hand, claimed on Monday, "Anyone on active duty at the time of that war is considered a Gulf War veteran." But retired Col. Daniel Smith, director of research at the Center for Defense Information, told Inside Edition, "You can't call yourself a Gulf War veteran if you've never been to the Gulf."

[Mojo Rising]

Oh, and Keeves, that was George Bernard Shaw who originally made that quip.