Internet Child Porn Ring...run by the parents of the molested children

[ivylass]

Just damn...

http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60022,00.html


I think we need a crying smiley (oxymoron or not, there's just too many of these stories)

[pldennison]

Nine Americans from seven states were named in the indictment unsealed in Fresno, Calif. Bonner said one has already pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. A 10th American committed suicide after his arrest, he said.

I hate to take pleasure in the death of another person, but thanks for saving the state of California the cost of your trial, you sick fuck.

Six residents of Denmark, Switzerland and the Netherlands were also indicted in Fresno, and the Justice Department is seeking their extradition to the United States to face charges.

Insert European Liberalism Joke Here.

[iampunha]

"Some defendants could receive 60 years if convicted of all charges against them."

Only 60 years? Meaning some of these excuses for life could live to see freedom?

That is, assuming any one of them survives their first day in jail.

[sailor]

>> Insert European Liberalism Joke Here

Ok, Here's the joke: Americans can't count.

37 American children were victims
8 European children were victims
do you need a pie chart?

What I don't understand is why the US is seeking extradition of the European suspects. Shouldn't they be prosecuted in their own countries?

[pldennison]

Insert Definition Of "Joke" Here. :rolleyes:

Here's some more math for you:
10 Americans were identified and charged.
6 Europeans were identified and charged.
4 Europeans are charged but unidentified.
10=10.
Can I have Cool Whip with that pie?

[sailor]

Ok, so what's the conclusion that follows? American molesters are more efficient and fewer molesters molested more children? American police are less efficient and have detained fewer molesters? I am still not sure how "Insert European Liberalism Joke" fits. Maybe I am missing something but does it somehow imply those countries in Europe are more tolerant regarding child molestation? I don't get it.

At any rate, why would the European guys be extradited to the US?

[WV_Woman]

. Maybe I am missing something but does it somehow imply those countries in Europe are more tolerant regarding child molestation?

Actually yeah, a lot of European countries ARE more tolerant regarding child molestation.

I know for a fact that Sweden will *not* extradite someone brought up on molestation charges. Back in the 70s a dentist from Paducah, KY got busted molesting a lot of his child patients ... he fled to Sweden, who wouldn't cough him up for trial. After 20 years (the amount of time his jail term would have been, ironically), he came back to Paducah to face the music.

In some places in Europe it's just not as big of a deal as we make it over here.

[pldennison]

It was a joke, sailor. You know, how American conservatives think that the European liberal democracies are dens of depravity? Just a little poke at reactionaries. Cripes.

As for the extraditions, maybe we have harsher penalties and they'd prefer to have them tried here? Beats me. What are the penalties in Denmark and Switzerland for child porn?

[pldennison]

Damn. It would have been funnier if you had waited for me to post first, WV_Woman. Now you've ruined everything.

[Cessandra]

I'm confused. 37 American children + 8 European children = 45 victims.

All of the other numbers in the article involve how many ADULTS were involved. What exactly was miscounted?

(Sorry, I can't think about children being hurt right now, so I am concentrating on the numbers.)

[Arnold Winkelried]

Originally posted by pldennison
What are the penalties in Denmark and Switzerland for child porn?Probably not as strict as in the USA.
In Switzerland (http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaSuisse.asp): Child rape - at most 10 years;
Sex with children - at most 5 years;
Possession of child porn - imprisonment and a fine (another page I found said that a guideline was proposed to make the maximum length of imprisonment for possession of child pornography to be at most 1 year, but I don't know if that ever took effect.)

[Gatopescado]

Some people don't deserve kids.

Since the birth of my son, I have realized he is the most precious gift in the world and I find it hard to believe others don't feel the same way about thier kids. Unbe-fuckin'-leavable!

I'm gonna go home and give my kid a hug as soon as I get there.

______________
Bring on the Beer!

[Jurhael]

Here's your crying smiley:

http://jowysiren.spores.net/smileys/crying.gif

Anyway,

"In Switzerland:
Child rape - at most 10 years;

Sex with children - at most 5 years;

Possession of child porn - imprisonment and a fine (another page I found said that a guideline was proposed to make the maximum length of imprisonment for possession of child pornography to be at most 1 year, but I don't know if that ever took effect.)"

What? Oh my god...but I wonder though...how often do they happen compared to in the US...

[Troy McClure SF]

Typeth by Arnold:Child rape - at most 10 years;
Sex with children - at most 5 years;

What's the difference here? Is the second similar to statutory rape in the US?

[clairobscur]

I know for a fact that Sweden will *not* extradite someone brought up on molestation charges. .....
In some places in Europe it's just not as big of a deal as we make it over here.


IMO, that's unrelated. Countries usually don't extradite their citizens, whatever the charges could be.



And I don't know what the situation is in all european countries, but child abuse became a very big deal in most countries I heard of, during the recent years, US and EU alike. By the way, I'm wondering why it happenned roughly at the same time on both sides of the Atlantic...

[Tranquilis]

All I have to say is: I am very glad I don't personally know any of the accused. This way, I've not been put in a position where I might fail to resist my urge to stomp them to a bloody pulp.

:mad:

[sailor]

Originally posted by pldennison: It was a joke, sailor. You know, how American conservatives think that the European liberal democracies are dens of depravity? Just a little poke at reactionaries. CripesYup, I was missing the whole point. Now I get it. I know it ruins a joke if you have to explain it. Sorry about that, I guess I'm just a bit slow today.

And speaking of "how American conservatives think that the European liberal democracies are dens of depravity", well, look who's here.
Originally posted by WV_Woman:
Actually yeah, a lot of European countries ARE more tolerant regarding child molestation.

I know for a fact that Sweden will *not* extradite someone brought up on molestation charges. Back in the 70s a dentist from Paducah, KY got busted molesting a lot of his child patients ... he fled to Sweden, who wouldn't cough him up for trial. After 20 years (the amount of time his jail term would have been, ironically), he came back to Paducah to face the music.

In some places in Europe it's just not as big of a deal as we make it over hereWV_Woman: I am so glad we are in the pit so I can tell you again what I posted in a whole thread we had recently (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127775) dedicated all to your very self. I know for a fact that you are a fucking and ignorant idiot. That's a fact.

Sweden, like other parts of the world not part of the USA, is a sovereign country and extraditions are governed by extradition treaties between the two sovereign countries. It is not like a country can willy nilly decide on the spur of the moment who they will or will not extradite. Sweden has judges who interpret the law, just like the US. So, your saying Sweden did not extradite someone just because child molestation is no big deal is just utter stupidity. Go and inform yourself and see if Sweden broke any obligations they had under whatever extradition treaties they had with the US. I doubt they did. Your assertion would be equivalent to saying murder in the USA is not a big deal and that's why they let OJ Simpson go free.

Let me repeat: You are a fucking idiot. Go read the thread we dedicated to your idiocy (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127775) and quit spouting garbage.

[WV_Woman]

IMO, that's unrelated. Countries usually don't extradite their citizens, whatever the charges could be.

This man was an American.

[sailor]

>> This man was an American

Provide a cite showing the US requested the extradition in due form and time according to whatever treaty the US had with Sweden at the time and Sweden rejected the request without justification.

[japatlgt]

Originally posted by sailor
>> This man was an American

Provide a cite showing the US requested the extradition in due form and time according to whatever treaty the US had with Sweden at the time and Sweden rejected the request without justification.

(Austin Powers) "Erriight.......

[sailor]

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath. In fact, if you don't mind, I think I'll take a seat while I wait as I am afraid it might be a while.

[Kal]

As far as I know, his being American doesn't matter. They still have to start extradition proceedings. Doesn't matter what the crime is, if someone's in a country legally (be they a citizen or a foreign national) you can't just demand they be handed over.

Look at Ronnie Briggs (great train robber), he lived in Brazil for years but because there was no extradition treaty the British police couldn't (legally) touch him.

[Hemlock]

Originally posted by WV_Woman
In some places in Europe it's just not as big of a deal as we make it over here.

WV_Woman - If I didn't know better (family in Randolph County and Morgantown), I would believe some of the stereotypes about people from WV reading stuff like this.

Do you seriously imagine that a parent whose child is molested or in danger of molestation on one side of the Atlantic feels any differently than a parent on the other side? And do you imagine lawmakers are not parents and have no voters who are parents, and do not "make a big deal of [child molestation]"?

Sentencing regimes vary from one place to another. It may well be that sentencing is generally lighter on average in Europe than in the US. I don't think you can say much more than that.

[WV_Woman]

. It may well be that sentencing is generally lighter on average in Europe than in the US. I don't think you can say much more than that.

That is what I meant, Hemlock.

No, I did not mean that parents in Europe don't get upset when their kid is molested. Sheesh!

[sailor]

Sheesh indeed. Here's what you said: Actually yeah, a lot of European countries ARE more tolerant regarding child molestation.

I know for a fact that Sweden will *not* extradite someone brought up on molestation charges.So, how do you know it for a fact? Where did you get this "fact"? Care to share? Or would you prefer to retract?

[ethic]

In Europe crime is no big deal. Kids get molested all the time but we figure, since they're kids and society hasn't invested much time and money in them yet, what's the point of prosecuting productive otherwise well intending members of society for a bunch of no-good brats?


VW_Woman, what can I say? If you think more lenient sentencing geared at rehabilitation is due to a more careless society where crime is "no big deal", you're about as daft as a donkey. The argument goes like this FYI: rehabilitation has a very low success rate and deterrence through harsher punishment is a better measure for dealing with crime. And not like this: stuff those no good mother fuckers in prison, sodomize them good and hard a few times and throw away the key 'cause they deserve it!

[Sparc]

WV_Woman....

I know you to be made of asbestos, so I don’t expect you take this to heart. I just need to register my absolute contempt and express my deep indignation on behalf of me and all my people. Hence:

On the behalf of his Royal Majesty Carolus XVI Gustavus and all the people of the Kingdom of Sweden we kindly request that you go molest yourself in some unspeakable fashion of your choice, upon which you may apologize.

Oh and His Majesty informs me that he will not entertain requests for tours of the palace in the unexpected case of your visiting the nation, he explicitly adds that invitations to afternoon tea shall not be forthcoming. Consider yourself persona non grata in all of Sweden and her sister nations Norway, Switzerland the fifteen states of the EU, the ten applicant states and any of the other 48 states on the continent.

Sparc

[Bricker]

You don't know the worst of it.

Her ein the United States, it's often safer, from a criminal liability standpoint, to molest your own children rather than children outside your family.

There are three factors that make this so: social services, which get involved to remove the children to a foster home, continue their involvement with a goal to "heal and reunite" the family. Prosecutors faced with these crimes often choose to charge them as incest, rather than criminal sexual assault; the result is often that criminal penalities are much less. Finally, spouses and other family members often pressure victims to recant or minimize the accusations, because they don't want the family broken up or the primary wage-earner lost.

In this case, with viedo evidence and the public eye in it, I hope that these factors won't come into play. But you would be both surprised and sickened if you knew how often this sort of thing happens without headlines.

- Rick

[Sparc]

WV_Woman....

I know you to be made of asbestos, so I don’t expect you take this to heart. I just need to register my absolute contempt and express my deep indignation on behalf of me and all my people. Hence:

On the behalf of his Royal Majesty Carolus XVI Gustavus and all the people of the Kingdom of Sweden we kindly request that you go molest yourself in some unspeakable fashion of your choice, upon which you may apologize.

Oh and His Majesty informs me that he will not entertain requests for tours of the palace in the unexpected case of your visiting the nation, he explicitly adds that invitations to afternoon tea shall not be forthcoming. Consider yourself persona non grata in all of Sweden and her sister nations Norway, Switzerland the fifteen states of the EU, the ten applicant states and any of the other 48 states on the continent.

Sparc

[Sparc]

Sorry about that. I pressed the back button on my browser. I'm an idiot.

[OpalCat]

This line sickened me the most:

"In one instance, a man swapped his own children with another pedophile to be abused, Bonner alleged. "

[Largo62]

After conviction the whole lot of the pedarist bastards should be killed. The electric chair would be a good way. Their punishment should be fearful -- and it should hurt. :mad:

[Kyla]

Consider yourself persona non grata in all of Sweden and her sister nations Norway, Switzerland the fifteen states of the EU, the ten applicant states and any of the other 48 states on the continent.



Ooh ooh! Can we make her persona non grata in the United States, too?

(Apologies if this is double-posted.)

[Kal]

DesertGeezer, just let them mingle with the rest of the prisoners - They know how to deal with nonces (British slang) quite well.