Awful lot of people 'love' NY these days

[Dignan]

Is it just me or was there a dramatic increase in the amount of I 'Heart' NY shirts since 9/11? I'm in the midwest if that makes any difference. I see them mostly on college campuses, so I guess there is a slight possibility that once in a while one of these people is actually from New York and didn't just go there for a weekend or spring break.

I don't wear my I "Heart" NY shirt anymore. It's always been kind of a cliche, but now it's a cliche. One of these days I'm going to strike up a conversation with one of these people and say, "oh, are you from New York? What part?" I hope that they'll answer with a "yes," but I won't hold my breath.

[racinchikki]

I thought those "I [heart] NY" shirts were MADE FOR TOURISTS. It is, after all, the STATE TOURISM SLOGAN. I live in New York (outside Albany) and I'd never wear one, because they're FOR TOURISTS. Why the fuck does it matter whether or not the wearer of the shirt is FROM the state advertised on the shirt? Why is it a BAD thing for a person to own and wear a shirt advertising fondness for and support of a place not their own home?

[SmackFu]

And I bet all those bastards didn't work at the Hard Rock Cafe either!

[Saint Zero]

Yeah, don't worry, it'll pass one of these days. Probably when the Yankees steam roll everyone in the World Series again with the best team money can buy.

:D

[Dignan]

Originally posted by racinchikki
I thought those "I [heart] NY" shirts were MADE FOR TOURISTS. It is, after all, the STATE TOURISM SLOGAN. I live in New York (outside Albany) and I'd never wear one, because they're FOR TOURISTS. Why the fuck does it matter whether or not the wearer of the shirt is FROM the state advertised on the shirt? Why is it a BAD thing for a person to own and wear a shirt advertising fondness for and support of a place not their own home?

Part of it is because I never saw anyone else 'round this neck of the woods wearing one. Now they're everywhere. On top of that though, it seems to me like people that ran out and slapped a flag sticker on their car.

Another thing I meant to say in the OP (but forgot) was to add in the shirts that have "FDNY" or "NYPD" on them. Those probably get to me more. Yes, there is an off chance that the wearer has a second cousin or some other connection to someone that is a member of the fire or police department, but it's unlikely. The only place I've seen them being sold is by the vendors, so I doubt that either department is seeing any of that action.

Smackfu, touche!

[Violet]

Ebay has a strange parody t-shirt on this theme:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=955725278
If you can't get the link, just enter I love New York in the search box.

[White Lightning]

Originally posted by Violet
Ebay has a strange parody t-shirt on this theme:Wow. That just ain't right.

[Wolfian]

Is this really a big deal? So the members of your community wish to show solidarity with a city that suffered an almost inconsievable tragedy (ok, Tom Clancy, but still who would expect it in real life). Why does that bother you? Are you offended but you think that this is just another fad? Do you think that vendors are profiting on 9/11? What's your point?

As racinchikki said, the shirts are for out of towners. Its' not like a university product, which is made for both students, fans, and parents, and is usually be worn on campus. Its' an out-of-towner item. You can go ahead with your plan, but you'll look like a jackass.



Yes, I'm aware of the spelling errors. My apologizes.

[snermy]

I saw a car today with 2 of those little window flags on little plastic poles on either side of their vehicle.

For a moment I thought they were either leading a funeral procession or some kinda a diplomat, but I soon discerned that it was just an idiot in a dodge dart.

[apotheosis]

Yeah, how dare those trite assholes express solidarity with something that didn't even really affect them at all. I mean hell, if they weren't even there, it's just tacky to act like they're part of something larger than their own immediate surroundings.

And while you're at it, take down those American flags, you jagoffs. You're fooling no one with your little 'patriotism' charade. That bandwagon has SO passed by, just get OVER it already.


(:rolleyes:)

[apotheosis]

Fuck you, o mocking smiley-face, for besmirching my sarcastic wrath. Fuck you sideways with a flaming chainsaw.

[PosterChild]

pre-9/11 I saw a T-shirt that showed a stomach in place of a heart. (I stomach NY)

:)

[PhiloVance]

This salsa was made in Nu Yoke Ciddy?>&^%@#
:rolleyes:

How about I :mad: NY. :D

[Typo Negative]

Maybe their all just John Lennon fans?

[kambuckta]

Maybe it's not since 9/11 per se, but the advent of the aniversary of 9/11 one year on.......are you going to deny your local capitalist shmucks making a profit from the disaster?

Isn't that the American Way? Isn't that the lifestyle you are trying to defend, the right to 'free speech', the right to be an entrepreneur regardless of the ethics? Aren't you being a tad two-faced when the whole basis of the American Way of Life is predicated on these very sorts of practices? :rolleyes:

[Synnove]

I thought I recalled hearing it said on the news that they resurrected the "I (heart) NYC" campaign shortly after the September 11th attacks. Prior to that I hadn't seen a real true "I (heart) NYC" shirt since 1987.

I honestly can't see how this is worth getting in a snit about it ...

Can't we redirect our anger at the 84000000000 magazines I see daily with headlines like, "How 9/11 Changed the Face of the Pizza Delivery World!"? IMO, that's far more offensive, as completely unrelated industries (and I'm sorry, I just really don't get a lot of it ... "How accounting has changed since 9/11" or "How 9/11 rocked the cattle farming world") are associating their product/service with a terrible national tragedy to sell more copies of their magazine. Blar.

[matt_mcl]

Can I still wear my pink triangle MADRID t-shirt?

[Crusoe]

The British satire magazine Private Eye has been running a "Warballs" (http://www.private-eye.co.uk/balls.htm) column for many months now. It lists excerpts from press statements and publications where companies are cashing in on 11 September.

An example --
"Just as the political and spiritual landscape of the world was forever altered last September, so too has every golfer we know reassessed the importance of the sport in his or her life. And most we’ve spoken with say that they’ve come to appreciate the game even more now than before our universe was rocked on that late-summer morning."
Golfing Las Vegas: The Complete Guidebook to Golfing Las Vegas 2002.

[THespos]

Synnove wrote...
I thought I recalled hearing it said on the news that they resurrected the "I (heart) NYC" campaign shortly after the September 11th attacks. Prior to that I hadn't seen a real true "I (heart) NYC" shirt since 1987.

Maybe they pushed it a bit more, but "I (heart) NY" was still in use. You could get the T-shirts at just about any T-shirt shop near Times Square. Plus, a lot of street vendors and T-shirt shops were giving out "I (heart) NY" white plastic bags with a purchase. I recall seeing a lot of tourism commercials on TV with the "I love NY" theme song, featuring Governor Pataki. Maybe it just became more noticeable after 9/11.

[Fretful Porpentine]

Originally posted by matt_mcl
Can I still wear my pink triangle MADRID t-shirt?
Well, nothing much has happened to Madrid lately, so I guess you're safe. I suppose I have to throw away my Prague shirt, what with the floods an' all...

[GrizzRich]

/slight hijack/
I was listening to David Brenner talk about how New Yorkers aren't fazed by anything (pre 9/11 obviously).
One can be walking down a street and a manhole cover will EXPLODE right off the hole. BOOM! and it flies into the air.
A true New Yorker will say "Heads".
/slight hijack/

[tiny ham]

I was right with you, mainly because I DON'T HEART NEW YORK, and in fact, they have a great t-shirt here in Chicago that says "NEW YORK SUCKS" :D but of course, no one would dare wear one anymore dammit.

But when you brought up the FDNY stuff, I just wanted to clarify...that I accept that more because "SUPPOSEDLY", according to my firefighter Uncle (sigh...firefighters) every purchase of official fire department paraphenalia goes to their charities for widows and orphans. So wearing FDNY and NYPD stuff actually MAKES a difference. I still think it's sort of a weird fad, as if these people JUST THIS YEAR realized that firefighters and cops put their lives on the line every day they go to work and all of the sudden they're heroes, but hey. To each their own.

J

[Dignan]

by Wolfian
Is this really a big deal? So the members of your community wish to show solidarity with a city that suffered an almost inconsievable tragedy (ok, Tom Clancy, but still who would expect it in real life). Why does that bother you? Are you offended but you think that this is just another fad? Do you think that vendors are profiting on 9/11? What's your point?

No, it's not a big deal. It's just an observation like the other 90% of the posts on this board. Yes, I do think that this is just a fad or at least that's what I'm worried about. I also have a feeling (I hope I'm wrong about this) that people are doing it more as a fashion statement and to be trendy and not because it affected them personally. That applies more towards the FDNY and NYPD apparel though.

by jarbabyj
But when you brought up the FDNY stuff, I just wanted to clarify...that I accept that more because "SUPPOSEDLY", according to my firefighter Uncle (sigh...firefighters) every purchase of official fire department paraphenalia goes to their charities for widows and orphans. So wearing FDNY and NYPD stuff actually MAKES a difference.

[bolding mine]

The problem is, the shirts I see being worn are the same ones that I see on the tables and in boxes of vendors. When they're being sold on the street (along with the I [heart] NY t-shirts) for $2 or $3 the FD and PD aren't seeing any of that money.

[elf6c]

How about:

I Heart New York style pizza.

:rolleyes:

[racinchikki]

The I [heart] NY shirts were available pre-9/11. I bought Gunslinger one at the Albany airport gift shop. The campaign just got another boost after that Tuesday.

[chula]

Tons of New Yorkers were them since 9/11. They're not just for tourists.

After 9/11, the guy who designed the "I [heart] NY" logo redesigned it as "I [heart] NY more than ever" with the heart slightly burnt at the edge. The posters were given free to businesses and appeared in shop windows.

By the way, the John Lennon shirt says "New York City," not "I [heart] NY." You can buy them too.

[reprise]

My daughter asked me the other day to buy her an NYC hat. I have no objection to doing so as I understand that for her it's a "rememberance" thing.

But shit I wish someone would issue "official" rememberance pins or ribbons or something else which those wishing to simply say "I remember" on the day could wear without getting into this extreme over-commercialisation of "the event".

The simplest things - a sprig of rosemary, a poppy, a piece of red ribbon - have become powerful symbols of solidarity and rememberance in the past. We don't need for this to become a status symbol occasion. And the media seems hell-bent on turning it into "an event" (for those of you who missed the footage last year, it's not only being replayed this year but we also get to see the "never shown before" home videos shot by 118 NYers).

The commercialisation is GROSS here in Australia. I would hate to think what you're dealing with over there in the US.

[jackelope]

Dignan:
I also have a feeling (I hope I'm wrong about this) that people are doing it more as a fashion statement and to be trendy and not because it affected them personally.

What do you mean by "affected them personally"? I wasn't in New York (though I do love it), and no one I know personally was really hurt by the attacks, but I certainly have been personally affected by it. Every day I feel far differently than I did before I watched those towers fall (on TV, not in person). Is that wrong? Do I have to pass a six-degrees test before I'm allowed to express grief outwardly?

And as far as people making a buck off of flags and such, I really have no problem with it. Those assholes struck at the epicenter of world capitalism, and people have responded in admirable capitalist form: "Let's make some money." Don't feel comfortable with it? Don't give them your money.

That said, the media (of which I am a member) are definitely, garishly overdoing it. As Jon Stewart was saying (more or less) earlier tonight, "I'd have no problem with a gentle reminder of the events if I hadn't been forced to relive the entire thing every single day since it happened."

(Final note: Let's not forget that all the major TV and cable networks lost something like $100 million a day by not showing any advertising at all for about four days after the attacks.)

[DarkJudicator]

(Final note: Let's not forget that all the major TV and cable networks lost something like $100 million a day by not showing any advertising at all for about four days after the attacks.)

And let's also not forget that every single one of the major networks - in my country at least - has cut sponsorship deals for this year's "coverage".

So they lost 4 days advertising last year. The specials have ALREADY started here - a full week before the anniversary.

On the day it's 24 hour "coverage" of the re-run - commercial-free, but we'll thank our sponsors every half hour.

So they lost money because they didn't show their regularly scheduled programmes? Give me a fucking break. They made money from the live feeds to networks around the world. You don't really think that we all sit here every day in Australia watching live feeds from CNN on every free-to-air commercial network do you?

September 11 last year was the biggest rating show since the death of Diana. It's just kind of sad that the viewing public isn't treating the re-runs with the absolute contempt they deserve.

[Tuckerfan]

How 'bout the guy selling Bin Laden Actions Figures (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1763944342) on eBay?

Personally, if someone wants to buy an I [heart] NY t-shirt, because of 9/11, I say let it them. Better to have the events of 9/11 overhyped than totally forgotten. (The folks who survived the OKC bombing didn't get nearly the level of support the survivors of 9/11 have gotten, even if we do tend to forget that the Pentagon got hit as well.)

[reprise]

Bugger - the post before Tuckerfan's was made by ME, not by Judi. I HATE sharing computers sometimes...

[elfkin477]

Originally posted by Violet
Ebay has a strange parody t-shirt on this theme:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=955725278
If you can't get the link, just enter I love New York in the search box.

I don't get it. From the picture it seems to be saying " I fly NY" which isn't particularly offensive. Now, had the little plane been crashing into a building, I could see how it could be considered a parody...