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Morbo
10-01-2002, 02:55 PM
I feel like this (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2480377#post2478473) post in Belrix's thread is too much of a hijack, so I'm breaking it off into this thread.

Can someone provide some concrete evidence that Hollywood actors - not soft-core or even hard-core-porn actors - have actually had sex in a Hollywood sex scene? I've heard it mentioned that Mickey Roarke and Carre Otis actually had sex in Wild Orchid, KidCharlemagne heard somewhere that Charlize Theron and Ben Affleck had sex in Reindeer Games.

Cervaise offered up a cite (http://www.imdb.com/PeopleNews/2002/20020102#3) in which Mira Sorvino admits that other stars have had sex on camera, but admittedly she feels the source is dubious at best.

Personally, I have a hard time believing that the SAG, or any major studio would OK such a scene, to say nothing of dealing with all the crew members hanging around. (Pun intended :)).

Khadaji
10-01-2002, 03:58 PM
I had heard that Kim Bassinger and Alec had sex in The Getaway they were in.

Jonathan Chance
10-01-2002, 04:23 PM
There's a french film called 'intimacy'.

Whoa nelly.

WordMan
10-01-2002, 04:24 PM
Stretching a bit to go beyond Hollywood, but:

- In the French movie Romance, the lead actress, apparently a reasonably well known legitimate actress, has sex with at least one actor on screen. However, Euro porn star Rocco Something-or-other (Siffredi?) was cast as her boyfriend in part to ensure that things could be filmed as planned....

- Asia Argento, lately of XXX apparently filmed a whacked out movie in Italy featuring all kinds of kinkiness. It was discussed in the Rolling Stone featuring her on the cover.

Also:

- When asked, Sharon Stone stated that she and Michael Douglas most definitely did not have sex during Basic Instinct. I don't have a cite, but remember reading it...

astorian
10-01-2002, 04:34 PM
One of the only cases I recall hearing about:

Bruce Dern told numerous reporters that, in a little-seen, not terribly successful thriller called "Tattoo," he and actress Maud Adams were really having sex.

Adams denied this emphatically, and most people dismissed the suggestion as a lame attempt on Dern's part to drum up box office for a film nobody seemed interested in watching.

At the time, I recall comedian/country singer Jim Stafford speculating on the Merv Griffin Show that, "there are only two possibilities, I guess. He did and she didn't.... or he did, and she didn't even notice."

Either way, it didn't sound good for Dern (who's almost always played lunatics in movies, and came out looking like a GENUINE loonie).

Purd Werfect
10-01-2002, 05:00 PM
Devil In The Flesh. A pretty boring movie aside from the fact that it contained an actual blowjob.

Cervaise
10-01-2002, 06:54 PM
I forgot an example that should have been mentioned in the other thread.

Robert De Niro most certainly gets his knob polished, on screen, in Bertolucci's 1900 (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0074084). As I recall, the original cut of the film contains some awfully kinky stuff, including some material with underage boys that would be considered illegal according to today's laws.

handy
10-01-2002, 07:26 PM
I think I read that Barbara Hershey & Mr Carradine did it in one of their films which resulted in their kid, Free...
(I think that's his name, Free)

Cholo
10-01-2002, 07:34 PM
There is a rumor in the Stones circles that Mick Jagger and Anita Pallenberg (Keith Richard's common-law wife at the time) actually had sex during the filming of "Performance" back in 1969. Who knows?

El_Kabong
10-01-2002, 08:13 PM
OK, it's not exactly Hollywood (having been filmed in Denmark) but in Lars von Trier's the Idiots, there is an orgy scene featuring the prinicipal actors, including a brief shot showing penetration.

WSLer
10-01-2002, 09:09 PM
Cholo, Pallenberg seduced Jagger while on the set, but no actual sex was had while the cameras were filming.

Does Caligula count as a Hollywood film? If so, then there definitely was sex on camera, although not by the principal actors.












Well, that depends on what one's definition of actor is.:p

Billdo
10-01-2002, 09:45 PM
I recall seeing an interview with Russ Meyer (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Meyer,+Russ), director of such classics as Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! and Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens, in which he mentioned that some of the actors in his films were actually having sex, rather than just simulating it.

gobear
10-01-2002, 10:55 PM
How is it possible to have real sex on a movie set? First, yopu have to remember that there is a crowd of people--the director, electricians, cameramen, sound recordists--in the room with the actors. Second, action in a movie seems continuous, but in reality, it is spliced together from several takes. How can anybody have real sex in such an environment?

FYI, people don't have real sex in porn either. Porn is designed to LOOK erotic, not to BE erotic. When the performers are told, "lift your leg, pump harder, now face the camera CUT OK we need to change the angle, go have a Diet Coke while we set up." it's difficult to get the mood going. Sure, fluffers on set may keep the wood hard, but that doesn't make simulated sex into real sex.

Sublight
10-01-2002, 11:23 PM
Well, if you define sex as the full act ending with orgasm, then probably no, there aren't many (if any). I think the OP, however, was referring to cases in which there was actual penetration instead of just pretending with no genital contact.

It's a little hard to tell in the Japanese version, but in Ai no Corrida (In the Realm of the Senses), there were a couple of scenes where there appeared to be real oral-genital contact.

lieu
10-01-2002, 11:40 PM
You surprise me gobear.

Hollywood is full of what? Exhibitionists.
For many, getting out of the gutter requires two steps.
Publicity is the end to a means. It matters not whether it's good or bad.

You think these attentionholics give a Hoot in Whoville if they, a starlet, are caught with a rich and established leading man?

Please. They b b boink like cold pigs.


(coding fixed -- Uke)

lieu
10-01-2002, 11:42 PM
Mods? *sigh* Sorry.

Chez Guevara
10-02-2002, 12:18 AM
Of all mainstream movies, the sex scene featuring Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie in Don't Look Now has arguably attracted the most prurient discussion.

The two principals are not forthcoming on the subject but those who saw the uncut footage were said to be 'shocked'.

'Concrete evidence' regarding this or any other similar example won't be easy to find.

Silentgoldfish
10-02-2002, 07:48 AM
I've actually seen Wild Orchid thanks to finding my grampa's hidden tape when I was a teenager.

If that's not real then that was a REALLY good fake. A couple of the camera angles are top down and you can see that there's penetration involved.

OpalCat
10-02-2002, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by gobear
How is it possible to have real sex on a movie set...How can anybody have real sex in such an environment?

FYI, people don't have real sex in porn either....

Sounds like your definition of "sex" is different from everyone else on the planet. We aren't talking about "good" sex or meaningful sex or romance, we're talking about real penises really going into real vaginas (or other body parts, depending).

As for the other stuff, there are people who get off all the better for having a crowd.

voltaire
10-02-2002, 08:42 AM
Wait wait, I started reading this thread thinking that somebody *must* have already said something about Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman in Eyes Wide Shut. I mean they were married and they were working with a director who would want as much realism as possible. It would be tough to achieve normally, but with a couple married in real life and in the film, why not?

I'm NOT saying that it definitely happened, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if it did. I did hear that they often cleared the set completely when filming Tom & Nicole together because Kubrick wanted it to be more intimate. Then again, they might have just said that to make everyone *think* they really had sex.

Maybe Kubrick promised to have the camera trained only on their head and shoulders while he kept his eyes wide shut. Heheheh heh heh............heh (alright, cheezy, sorry couldn't help it)

voltaire
10-02-2002, 08:48 AM
Wait wait, I started reading this thread thinking that somebody *must* have already said something about Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman in Eyes Wide Shut. I mean they were married and they were working with a director who would want as much realism as possible. It would be tough to achieve normally, but with a couple married in real life and in the film, why not?

I'm NOT saying that it definitely happened, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if it did. I did hear that they often cleared the set completely when filming Tom & Nicole together because Kubrick wanted it to be more intimate. Then again, they might have just said that to make everyone *think* they really had sex.

Maybe Kubrick promised to have the camera trained only on their head and shoulders while he kept his eyes wide shut. Heheheh heh heh............heh (alright, cheezy, sorry couldn't help it)

Oblong
10-02-2002, 10:02 AM
For The Getaway I read where the sex scene between Baldwin and Basinger was real. They were the only ones in the hotel room and controlled the cameras via remote control.

I don't know if this falls into the definition of sex but in that Madonna movie, Body of Evidence?, Willem Dafoe's face was buried in her crotch. She was standing on the hood of a car naked from the waist down and his head was right there, moving around. I don't see any other way around it.

gobear
10-02-2002, 11:03 AM
We aren't talking about "good" sex or meaningful sex or romance, we're talking about real penises really going into real vaginas (or other body parts, depending).

Well, I've read several interviews with gay porn stars making the same distinctions between what they do with their lovers as genuine sex and what they do in front of the cameras as a performance that is not even slightly erotic to them. A penis going into a vagina (or a mouth or a vagina) is just anatomy if there's no real charge there.

gobear
10-02-2002, 11:04 AM
Erratum: The last sentence should read, "A penis going into a vagina (or a mouth or an anus) is just anatomy if there's no real charge there."

dorkusmalorkusmafia
10-02-2002, 11:28 AM
Taxi Zum Klau (sp?), a German coming out movie, featured real sex. Real dicks going into asses or mouths. It had a plot, was interesting, but not the best movie out there. When the sex scenes rolled around it looked like porn.

In the original Queer as folk series (the Brittish one), they show sex, but not penetration. The series opens with the slut giving the kid a rimjob. On an interview I later saw, they said the kid (later in some shitty American series) said that it was a real rimjob.

WSLer
10-02-2002, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by gobear
Erratum: The last sentence should read, "A penis going into a vagina (or a mouth or an anus) is just anatomy if there's no real charge there."

More like rape.

And how do you know there is no real charge there?

I've had sex when I wasn't that interestd in having it and it certainly wasn't anatomy.

I'm astonished that no one has mentioned Marlon Brando and Maria Schneider's scene in Last Tango In Paris.

Oh wait, I just did.:smack:

Boo Boo Foo
10-02-2002, 11:17 PM
Apparently the legendary sex scene in "An Officer and a Gentleman" featuring Richard Gere and Debrah Winger was a closed set affair.

It was the real thing. I'm sure of it.

OpalCat
10-02-2002, 11:29 PM
gobear: Ok so you and some gay porn stars don't use the word "sex" the way that the rest of the planet does; that still is irrelevant. The issue here is whether or not actors have actually penetrated each other, etc, while filming sex scenes rather than just simulating it.

herownself
10-03-2002, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Boo Boo Foo
Apparently the legendary sex scene in "An Officer and a Gentleman" featuring Richard Gere and Debrah Winger was a closed set affair.

It was the real thing. I'm sure of it. I rather doubt it (http://shopping.yahoo.com/shop?d=d&id=1800035227).

Boo Boo Foo
10-03-2002, 02:31 AM
Feel free to offer one yourself of course. As all the rest of us have done.

username for rent
10-03-2002, 02:32 AM
I've heard rumours about Jungle Fever. There is also mob movie featuring model Amber Smith, I can't remeber the name of the movie or of the co-star which is on the tip of my tongue. Andy Garcia perhaps? I'm not sure. Anyway, I read in a Celebrity Skin magazine that some said the scene was real.

Damn... Cervaise's link, I have to get a hold of that Aguilera sex tape..;)

username for rent
10-03-2002, 02:34 AM
I've heard rumours about Jungle Fever. There is also mob movie featuring model Amber Smith and Andrew Garcia. I can't remeber the name of the movie, which is on the tip of my tongue. I'm not sure. Anyway, I read in a Celebrity Skin magazine that some said the scene was real.

Damn... Cervaise's link, I have to get a hold of that Aguilera sex tape..;)

Cervaise
10-03-2002, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by herownself
I rather doubt it (http://shopping.yahoo.com/shop?d=d&id=1800035227). Sorry, this link was from me. The home computer was logged in as my wife.

OpalCat
10-05-2002, 10:29 PM
I'd love to know the answer, as this is something that I've wondered about quite often. I don't know any particular gossip about any specific movies, though.

samarm
10-05-2002, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Nostradamus
Of all mainstream movies, the sex scene featuring Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie in Don't Look Now has arguably attracted the most prurient discussion.


I've only just come across this thread, and as I was reading I was thinking the exact same thing about Don't Look Now. I've heard some guy on a TV documentry say that some believe they really did have sex. Anyone who has seen the movie would know what I mean - they really do look like they are lovemaking. It also happens to be a good film - very creepy.

Chez Guevara
10-09-2002, 06:50 AM
Don't Look Now is on BBC1 at 12.05 am UK time tomorrow morning.

dantheman
10-09-2002, 08:09 AM
For the definition-impaired among us, actual penetration = actual sex. ;)


1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS
2 : intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis

Poysyn
10-09-2002, 11:33 AM
I saw an interview with Carre Otis regarding Wild Orchid she says it was just good simulation, although her and Mickey Rourke were going hot and heavy at the time.

willabee
10-09-2002, 01:55 PM
Username, could that Andy Garcia movie have been Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead?

As for Eyes Wide Shut, I had heard (as I presume many others did, as well) that Harvey Keitel was originally cast in the movie, but was thrown off at the insistence of the primary stars when Keitel, standing behind Nicole in a scene, actually ejaculated onto her back and hair.

willabee
10-09-2002, 02:03 PM
Username, could that Andy Garcia movie have been Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead?

As for Eyes Wide Shut, I had heard (as I presume many others did, as well) that Harvey Keitel was originally cast in the movie, but was thrown off at the insistence of the primary stars when Keitel, standing behind Nicole in a scene, actually ejaculated onto her back and hair.

Morbo
10-09-2002, 02:57 PM
Um.....what do you mean, willabee? He was minding his own business in a scene, and unbeknownst to all the crewmembers, etc, jerked off and came on Nicole's back? Or they were shooting a faux sex scene between Keitel and Kidman, and he got so excited that he came on her back? No offense, but that is utterly preposterous. I will need a cite including notarized signatures of all parties involved before I believe that one.

Oh, and welcome to the boards, I guess...

Tomcat
10-09-2002, 03:01 PM
Arrgh...Lost this the first time...Re-posting in short format...

David Bowie and that girl in the music video China Girl. Read an article in Rolling Stone I think. Seemed real.

I hate losing posts to slow 'net.

-Tcat

pseudotriton ruber ruber
10-09-2002, 03:04 PM
What part was Keitel supposed to play? Unless he was cast as the naval officer seen in flashback (unlikely) Kidman's coiffure was never in danger. Or there were whole elements of the shooting that never came close to making it to the final print. Got a cite, willabee?

Judith Prietht
10-09-2002, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by willabee

As for Eyes Wide Shut, I had heard (as I presume many others did, as well) that Harvey Keitel was originally cast in the movie, but was thrown off at the insistence of the primary stars when Keitel, standing behind Nicole in a scene, actually ejaculated onto her back and hair.

Disregarding its dubious veracity, this is one of the funniest things I've read all day.

middleman
10-09-2002, 04:01 PM
I am a man of knowledge and hate the spreading of Urban myths in any form... but I may pass this one off as true!

Sofa King
10-09-2002, 04:27 PM
We must confirm this!

It would revolutionize oldscratch's "Six Degrees of Harvey Keitel's Penis" (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=41620&highlight=harvey+AND+keitel+AND+penis) game.

Tars Tarkas
10-09-2002, 04:32 PM
from imdb.com...Harvey Keitel and Jennifer Jason Leigh originally played Victor Ziegler and Marion Nathanson. After Keitel and Leigh had shot some scenes, Keitel was dismissed from the production. His scenes needed to be reshot, but Leigh was not available to reshoot them (due to a scheduling conflict with _eXistenz (1999)_ ). Consequently, Sydney Pollack and Marie Richardson were brought in to play the respective roles.

Sofa King
10-09-2002, 04:49 PM
Hmm. I see that this rumor... ahem... reared it's ugly head in that thread as well....

Morbo
10-09-2002, 05:54 PM
...and BTW, how exactly did Mr. Wolf come on her back AND hair? Does he have a one foot penis? Projectile ejaculation to rival the most prolific porn star? Was he standing on a footstool? Did he hop up into the air at the exact moment?

I'm trying to shake the image of him making that whiny sad face and groan thing he does in Reservoir Dogs and Bad Lieutenant right at the particular moment, followed by Nicole shouting "CRIKEY!!" :D

Avalonian
10-09-2002, 06:11 PM
This isn't mainstream Hollywood by a longshot, but it's a good film and its star has become a pretty hot Hollywood property these days.

Ewan McGregor had a full-frontal scene in The Pillow Book (which my wife loves) in which he's at least partially-erect. If the sex scene that followed soon after wasn't "real," I don't know what is. I can't imagine it was faked.

No cite other than my own two eyes, I'm afraid. Great movie though! :D

Lamia
10-09-2002, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Tomcat

David Bowie and that girl in the music video China Girl. Read an article in Rolling Stone I think. Seemed real.


Bowie and the model (name was something like Jee Ling IIRC) were romantically linked at the time, but I see no reason to believe that their From Here to Eternity-style sex scene in the video actually involved real sex. All that can be seen in the video other than distant silhouettes is a little above-the-waist skin and some close-up kissing.

For the record, I consider the "China Girl" sex scene to be one of the least erotic on film. Those loooong fingernails on the model creep me out, and Bowie looks like a zombie. Ick.

Koxinga
10-10-2002, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Lamia


Bowie and the model (name was something like Jee Ling IIRC) were romantically linked at the time, but I see no reason to believe that their From Here to Eternity-style sex scene in the video actually involved real sex. All that can be seen in the video other than distant silhouettes is a little above-the-waist skin and some close-up kissing.

For the record, I consider the "China Girl" sex scene to be one of the least erotic on film. Those loooong fingernails on the model creep me out, and Bowie looks like a zombie. Ick.

I read somewhere that there was a longer, more explicit version of this video that never made it to MTV.

Lamia
10-10-2002, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Doghouse Reilly


I read somewhere that there was a longer, more explicit version of this video that never made it to MTV.

Would that be the same place Tomcat read that they're really having sex? This thread seems unusually full of "I read somewhere..." and "I heard once..." Not to be snarky, but I don't think we're living up to our usual good standards here.

Morbo
10-10-2002, 09:18 PM
Yeah, I didn't want to bring it up Lamia, but I was also hoping for more along the lines of proof, and less along the lines of "Harvey Keitel shot his wad into Nicole Kidman's Hair!!"

Although I understand how difficult it would be to find actual proof for something such as this...

Koxinga
10-10-2002, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by Lamia


Would that be the same place Tomcat read that they're really having sex? This thread seems unusually full of "I read somewhere..." and "I heard once..." Not to be snarky, but I don't think we're living up to our usual good standards here.

No, this was read in a book in the pre Web era. But since you asked so nicely (asshole), I have found several mentions of an "uncensored" version of China Girl on the Internet as well, including this one (http://www.superseventies.com/faq_davidbowie.html):

The Man Who Fell To Earth includes full frontal nudity on Bowie's part. (Bowie later on also appeared nude in his video clip of China Girl. Most TV stations broadcast a censored version of this video. But I've seen the uncensored version myself on MTV/Europe. MTV/America shows the censored version.


And this one (http://www.algonet.se/~earflaps/bowie/pv83b.htm):

The original version of this promo was censored by a number of TV-stations. After editing out the offending parts (with Bowie having sex on the beach with his girlfriend at the time) it was shown.

Yer welcome.

cannibal22
07-17-2013, 12:36 AM
I'd love to know the answer, as this is something that I've wondered about quite often. I don't know any particular gossip about any specific movies, though.

google the interview anne hatahaway did on chelsea lately show about her new move love and other drugs.....she says actors really do have real sex in some films.... but that she and jake gyllenhal decided to not have real sex......so straight from an actresses mouth and who would know better.

gaffa
07-17-2013, 12:57 AM
It's a zombie, but I re-read the thread, and one additional factoid has emerged to explain why actual sex on the set in a Hollywood film is unlikely. Adult actress Sasha Grey was explicitly forbidden from having sex with her co-stars while filming Steven Soderbergh's The Girlfriend Experience (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1103982/reference).

Why? I can think of a very good reason - liability.

Joey P
07-17-2013, 01:13 AM
I'm surprised we made it this far (and 10 years) with no mention of Brown Bunny. Real (oral) sex and actual Hollywood actors.

Also, Shortbus. I don't remember who all has sex with whom in that movie, but it's very real (and graphic), but it's pretty indie. To the best of my knowledge (not that I've looked into it) none of the actors are in the porn industry.

Sampiro
07-17-2013, 01:20 AM
Since it's bumped anyway:

Shia Labeouf's upcoming movie with Lars von Trier, Nymphomaniac, supposedly has real sex. Labeouf said in an interview he sent von Trier a sex tape of himself as part of the audition (this being shortly before his girlfriend announced their breakup). Cite (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/aug/31/shia-labeouf-sex-tape-von-trier-nymphomaniac).

Face Intentionally Left Blank
07-17-2013, 01:27 AM
Since it's bumped anyway:

Shia Labeouf's upcoming movie with Lars von Trier, Nymphomaniac, supposedly has real sex. Labeouf said in an interview he sent von Trier a sex tape of himself as part of the audition (this being shortly before his girlfriend announced their breakup). Cite (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/aug/31/shia-labeouf-sex-tape-von-trier-nymphomaniac).

Holy crap, just when I thought Labeouf couldn't get more repellant, he threatens the world with a sex tape.

It's not the sex tape, you understand. It's his involvement I object to.

Little Nemo
07-17-2013, 02:06 AM
Shia Labeouf's upcoming movie with Lars von Trier, Nymphomaniac, supposedly has real sex. Labeouf said in an interview he sent von Trier a sex tape of himself as part of the audition (this being shortly before his girlfriend announced their breakup). Cite (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/aug/31/shia-labeouf-sex-tape-von-trier-nymphomaniac).And he threatened to send von Trier another tape every month if he didn't get the part.

gaffa
07-17-2013, 03:26 AM
I'm surprised we made it this far (and 10 years) with no mention of Brown Bunny. Real (oral) sex and actual Hollywood actors.
I think we can all agree that the less said about Brown Bunny, the better.

Joey P
07-17-2013, 07:39 AM
I think we can all agree that the less said about Brown Bunny, the better.

'Twas an awful movie.

I'd rather watch someone else's home movies for 3 hours. That's basically what it was.

Czarcasm
07-17-2013, 07:43 AM
Shortbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortbus)

edited to add: And a list of others. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsimulated_sex_in_film#Films_with_non-simulated_sexual_activity)

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
07-17-2013, 08:11 AM
I'd love to know the answer, as this is something that I've wondered about quite often. I don't know any particular gossip about any specific movies, though.google the interview anne hatahaway . . . .With all due respect, the person you were responding to is (sadly) never, ever, going to follow your recommendation.

Sampiro
07-17-2013, 10:44 AM
Holy crap, just when I thought Labeouf couldn't get more repellant, he threatens the world with a sex tape.

It's not the sex tape, you understand. It's his involvement I object to.

He'd already gone full monty in that bizarre Sigur Rós music video. The dude is way beyond weird; he was co-starring on Broadway recently with Alec Baldwin and Alec Baldwin came across as the calm and reasonable one in the papers and in interviews. When that happens, you've defiinitely got some issues.