is this even legal? if so it sure shouldn'tbe.

[Critical1]

"Applicants must be able to communicate ************ Christian values and demonstrate a quality of spiritual life that is an example to others. This is a part-time position. For consideration, please apply online at **************"


this is straight out of a job description I came across, I can't believe it's leagal to dictate someones religeon and lifestyle in a job requirement.

if its relevant this is Washington state.

[black rabbit]

Depends. What kind of job is it?

[Jack Batty]

Priest.

But still ...

[Critical1]

I suppose thats relevant, no its a Warehouse position, pretty basic stuff.

[Linear Crack]

Originally posted by Jack Batty
Priest.

But still ...

Now that was timing.

Thank you, Thank you. Jack will be here all week.

:D

[Linear Crack]

Originally posted by Critical1
Christian values and demonstrate a quality of spiritual life that is an example to others.

I don't think "Christian values" necessarily mean that the applicant must be a Christian. However, if you replace "Christian" with "Satanic" and "spiritual" with "demonic", would you still have an issue with their need to be selective?

[Duck Duck Goose]

Well, what kind of "warehouse"? If it's a Christian bookstore/warehouse, then no, it's not out of line.

[ivylass]

I don't think it's legal to discriminate on the basis of religion (or lack thereof.) Are you interested in this job and were turned down because you didn't meet their religious criteria? Or are you just curious in a "This doesn't sound right to me" kind of way?

I'm not sure I'd want to work in a place where you needed to display Christian values. But, some Christians may not mind.

[ruadh]

I just wonder whose Christian values they're talking about ie Jimmy Carter's or Fred Phelps's?

[Critical1]

yes I would still have a problem if it was satanic and demonic.

its a friggin supply warehouse for homedepot or some such.

yes I am interested, the hours are Exactly what I need and I have experience in everything they are looking for. I just aint Christian nor do I exhibit a quality spiritual life.


like finding work isnt hard enough FUCK!

[Monty]

You do realize there's a huge difference between "Home Depot" and "some such," don't you? In any event, it doesn't appear they're asking you to be a Christian, just not to have any untoward activities in your life during the period of your employment. Sounds a lot like a "morals" clause.

[Critical1]

ok I went ahead and applied anyway, I mean what the hell unemployment isnt that big of a drain on my time.


after sending my app there was a second page with one question...are you a christian? yes no

and no I dont see much difference between homedepot and some such, a warehouse that supplies home repair type stuff is pretty much like al the others who do the same thing. stuff comes in, gets put away, orders are filled, checked and shipped. thats how it works.


what do they expect me to say a prayer everytime I hop on the forklift?

all I want is a job, one where I get paid actual money for work. why is it that all the damn jobs I CAN do have some requirement that I can't ?

[Squink]

Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions And Answers (http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html)
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin
...
An employer is required to reasonably accommodate the religious belief of an employee or prospective employee, unless doing so would impose an undue hardship. Sue the bastards if they reject your application. They seem to be begging for it.

[Cat Whisperer]

Legality aside, do you really want to work for people that have their heads so far up their asses that this ad sounded like a good idea to them? For the record, I think this kind of thing completely stinks, and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We seem to be living in an age where discrimination is not to be done, but reverse discrimination is a-okay.

ps - By reverse discrimination, I mean discriminating against the reverse of the people who have traditionally been discriminated against. Like the pendulum swinging from one extreme to the other.

[ruadh]

How exactly would this qualify as "reverse discrimination" though, featherlou? It's not as though Christians are a disadvantaged group in the States.

[Freyr]

Critical1 wrote:

this is straight out of a job description I came across, I can't believe it's leagal to dictate someones religeon and lifestyle in a job requirement.

If it's a privately owned corporation or business, they can set whatever standards of conduct and hiring they want, I believe.

If, as a requisite for employment, you must believe that space fairies from the planet Neptune come each night and dance on your nose for 36 mins, then it's perfectly legal to do so.

Of course, if their requirements are illegal actions; such as murder, robbery, assault, etc, then yes, those requirements are illegal.

Do you have any idea who owns this business you're speaking of?

[black rabbit]

Originally posted by Freyr
...

If it's a privately owned corporation or business, they can set whatever standards of conduct and hiring they want, I believe.

If, as a requisite for employment, you must believe that space fairies from the planet Neptune come each night and dance on your nose for 36 mins, then it's perfectly legal to do so.

...[/B]

Wrong. See Squink's post above.

Unless one's religion is an actual requirement for the job (say, being Jewish to be a kosher butcher, or Catholic to be a canon lawyer, or whatever) then it gets the same protection as one's ethnic background or gender.

[Cat Whisperer]

Originally posted by ruadh
How exactly would this qualify as "reverse discrimination" though, featherlou? It's not as though Christians are a disadvantaged group in the States.
Good call on that, ruadh. I was trying to figure that out myself. What I think I'm trying to say (and this is why I stay out of Great Debates) is that we have laws to protect special-interest groups from being discriminated against, but the reverse (ie special-interest groups discriminating against other people) doesn't seem to hold true.

[wring]

of course the company involved must have (according to the link) 15 or more employees, so if it's a 4 person company, that law (other state laws may) will not be in effect.

[unclviny]

dopers,
i went to work for *****-***-* (they did not invent the chicken...) years ago and they (company reps) came on so strong with the "good christian" stuff that i got freaked out and walked off the job, they wanted me to include the company "in your prayers" and "pray for good business so we can all prosper" and all managers meetings were kicked off with group prayers, it was scary.

unclviny

[burundi]

Interesting. Awhile ago, I applied at the Asheville-Buncombe Community Christian Ministry, a nonprofit group that worked with the homeless. I stated during my interview that I wasn't Christian, and would that be a problem? This fairly conservative group said no, but that they did have morning prayers and such; it wouldn't bother them if I didn't participate, but they'd still have them. In fact, they offered me the job (although the pay was significantly less than even an impoverished nonprofit lackey like me could afford to take, so I declined the offer).

I'm guessing that this group could have discriminated against me legally, but they didn't. This warehouse group is probably counting on no one making a fuss about it -- they sound totally out of line.

Daniel

[ivylass]

I don't think they're even legally allowed to ask your religion on an application.

[Left Hand of Dorkness]

Obviously, Burundi, not being named Daniel, didn't write the above. 'Twas me.

At least it wasn't a post where I talked about my kinky Tom Servo fantasies.

Daniel

[El Elvis Rojo]

An employer is required to reasonably accommodate the religious belief of an employee or prospective employee, unless doing so would impose an undue hardship.

What exactly are "undue hardships"? I mean, if it is a religious place, and they start every meeting with prayer and such, this could create a very unpleasant work environment for someone who does not have "Christian values."

And I do believe there is a big difference if the company is a privately owned business. Many stores and whatnot have "store policies" that contradict what state/city law may say. For example, I had a health issue a while back due to a pulled muscle at a job I worked at. State labor laws say that I can go to any doctor I want for such an injury, but store policy mandates that I'm only covered if I go to doctors they approve. I wasn't a full time employee, so this was strickly due to worman's comp. It's nice for people to tell me "That's bullshit, state law supercedes that and you should sue," but they'd be wrong. I'd have no case, because that's store policy, and to try and fight it would be a waste of money and time.
If this place wants to hire people with what they perceive to be a "Christian set of values," and they are privately owned, then they have every right to do so.
I think the big question here is, do they have the right to advertise themselves as such? It's one thing to keep it quiet and make your decisions off of your own criteria behind close doors, it's another thing to advertise them in the paper.

[Larry Mudd]

Chick-fil-A[/a] has been [url="http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/wsbtv/news/chick1022.html"]in the news (http://www.snagajob.com/employer_link.asp?employer=Chick-Fil-A&employer_name=Chick-Fil-A) recently for this sort of illegal discrimination.

I'm somewhat ambivalent about the whole thing. While I certainly don't want a side of evangelism with my fast food, I'm not sure where the dividing line is between respecting the right that people have not to be discriminated against as individuals, and the right of freedom of association.

We don't have Chick-fil-A in Canada, so I'm not sure how obvious it is to consumers that it's a quasi-religious organization. I've heard some people suggest that there should be laws mandating disclosure about religious affiliations of businesses, so that consumers can make informed decisions. I consider that this idea was explored enough in Europe in the thirties -- no need to go down that road again.

Should there be a clear delineation between church and commerce? I don't know. It's a tough one.

If I am not mistaken, Church's Chicken is owned by Scientologists, (at the top, not at the franchise level.) and profits support that organization. (If this is not mere urban legend.) Do I have a problem that, if it's true? No.. because I've never heard of any employee being let go for being a downstat PTS OP. All nice & legal.)

Still, colour me :confused: on this one.

[Larry Mudd]

Balls. Here's the link to the newsitem. (http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/wsbtv/news/chick1022.html)

S'what I get for trying to spare the hamsters the strain of a preview. Ye gods, the board is slow today.

[ruadh]

I wonder where some of you are getting the idea that privately-owned companies have the right to discriminate in employment. What are they teaching you kids in civics class nowadays? :confused:

Anyway, I was waiting for one of the SDMB's actual lawyers to come up with the goods on this one but, in their absence, I've been looking around at the Washington State Human Rights Commission website (http://www.wa.gov/hrc/index.htm). Right there on the front page "creed" is listed as one of the protected categories.

Furthermore, it appears that the application question violates Washington Administrative Code 162-12-140. I can't link directly to this because there are about 952 digits in the URL but if you follow the link from the home page -> General Info -> The Law/FAQs you can find it for yourself.

Critical1, I think you should forward this application to the HRC. It's plainly illegal.

[wring]

El Elvis the store policy you're speaking about doesn't conflict w/state law. You're allowed to go to any doctor you wish. However, if you wish the companies' insurance policy to pay for the treatment, then they have some rights to determine which doctor.

similarly, I can go to any doctor I wish - however, if I want my insurance policy to pay the max, I'll go to the ones on their list.

rudah - what I pointed out was that the federal law applied to any company including a private one, as long as they had less than the specified # of employees, and that the applicable state law may supercede that. It's been my experience, however, that many laws regarding employment are waived for small enough companies.

[Larry Mudd]

ruadh, here's a link, courtesy of the good folks at www.makeashorterlink.com

[ruadh]

I wasn't referring to you, wring.

[Larry Mudd]

Balls again. (http://makeashorterlink.com/?N4C435662) Just shoot me.

[YWalker]

Originally posted by Larry Mudd
I'm somewhat ambivalent about the whole thing. While I certainly don't want a side of evangelism with my fast food, I'm not sure where the dividing line is between respecting the right that people have not to be discriminated against as individuals, and the right of freedom of association.

I don't understand the Chick-fil-A bashing.

It's not like they pray over you as they offer you your chicken sandwich. They just include in their corporate mission that they want their customers treated in a Christian manner ---- meaning the "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" sort of thing. I don't think that's a bad goal for any business.

While I don't share their religion, I have a great deal of respect for the Cathy family (owners of Chick-fil-A.) Because of their religious convictions, they choose not to operate their stores on Sunday (and did so even during the Atlanta Olympics), even though this costs them a day of profits each week. That's the sort of thing you can do if you have a privately held corporation, and are not at the mercy of a money-hungry board of stockholders. Franchisers know that this is the deal when they buy in.

I work part time for another organization whose mission statement reads "To put Christian principles into practice through programs that build healthy spirit, mind, and body for all." Although I do not consider myself a Christian, I support the mission wholeheartedly. In my mind, "Christian principles" describes most of the general principles for being part of a good and ethical society, whether the person practicing them is Christian or not. Most staff meetings and some member events begin with a devotion and/or prayer. I bow my head in respect for the others who practice this religion.

It really does not hurt to show respect for others, even if you don't share their beliefs.

[Cat Whisperer]

Originally posted by YWalker

I don't understand the Chick-fil-A bashing.

It's not like they pray over you as they offer you your chicken sandwich. They just include in their corporate mission that they want their customers treated in a Christian manner ---- meaning the "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" sort of thing. I don't think that's a bad goal for any business.
Then why not just say "do unto others as you would have other do unto you"? Why bring religion into it at all?

<snip>

I work part time for another organization whose mission statement reads "To put Christian principles into practice through programs that build healthy spirit, mind, and body for all." Although I do not consider myself a Christian, I support the mission wholeheartedly. In my mind, "Christian principles" describes most of the general principles for being part of a good and ethical society, whether the person practicing them is Christian or not.
<snip>
It really does not hurt to show respect for others, even if you don't share their beliefs.
Yes, I agree whole-heartedly. And sometimes showing respect for others is not making a big deal of your own personal faith/beliefs. To specify one type of religious beliefs in a mission statement excludes other religions and implies that those religions don't share the same values as the religion stated.

[vivalostwages]

What about a private university, like Azusa Pacific in CA? On their applications they ask you to describe the nature of your personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Can't they ask that?

[markdiscordia]

I don't understand the Chick-fil-A bashing.

It's not like they pray over you as they offer you your chicken sandwich.

Actually, as evidenced by the well-publicized lawsuit and by anecdotes in this very thread, yes they do. I haven't met anyone who doesn't know that. Why do some Christians insist on lying about their religion's influence?

[AZCowboy]

And what makes the concept of "do unto others as ..." Christian? According to the same news site (http://www.accessatlanta.com/coxnet/nie/text/goldenrule.html) in the cite above, that little moral code is found in most all major religions, many of them predating Christianity.

(Sorry, it is in the "news for kids" section)

[lucwarm]

Perhaps this is the employer?

World Vision


World Vision is the largest, privately funded Christian relief and development organization that serves 85 million people in nearly 100 countries and is supported by over 1 million donors. We are driven to call all people to serve the poor.

Applicants must be able to communicate World Vision's Christian values and demonstrate a quality of spiritual life that is an example to others. For employment opportunities visit www.worldvision.org .


I have no idea whether it's legal, but I don't have a moral problem with it.

[unclviny]

!!!!caution, ranting and raving ahead!!!!

as far as i am concerned, anyone in this world can think/feel/worship/lust/whatever however they want and i have absolutely no problem UNTIL!!!! they begin to thrust their beliefs on me, then it is MY problem and something WILL be done about it NOW (if you want to worship trees and blow goats, leave my trees alone and if the goat does not mind go for it!).

when you decide to inflict your point of view on me it becomes my business, and if you are my boss it becomes (possibly) illegal.

the constitution assures freedom of religion, i take from that that it also assures freedom from religion.

unclviny

[istara]

Talking of equal opportunties, you guys would *love* this new website they just launched here.

Al Khadam (http://www.alkhadam.com/)

You can pick your servants - yes, servants - by nationality, age, gender and religion.

Want a 26-30 year old Muslim Eritrean female housemaid?
Not quite your fancy?
How about a 21-25 year old Buddhist Sri Lankan houseboy?

And no - this isn't aimed at locals or Arabs - it's in English, and it's aimed at Western expats from the UK, Europe, Australia, Canada, the US, etc.

[MsRobyn]

Originally posted by vivalostwages
What about a private university, like Azusa Pacific in CA? On their applications they ask you to describe the nature of your personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Can't they ask that?

You bet your sweet bippy they can.

When I applied to Hardin-Simmons University (a Southern Baptist college) in Abilene, Texas, I was told that my being Jewish was not an obstacle for enrollment. However, I would still be required to go to chapel services daily, and to take the bible classes they required for graduation. I said thanks, but no thanks.

Robin

[gex gex]

It's not like they pray over you as they offer you your chicken sandwich. They just include in their corporate mission that they want their customers treated in a Christian manner ---- meaning the "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" sort of thing. I don't think that's a bad goal for any business.

And since when has Christian meant nice, kindly, good etc.?

[Bricker]

gex gex: That meaning for Christianity has been the intended one since roughly 30 A.D.

I hope that answers your question.

- Rick

[Monty]

unc: Please acquating yourself with the difference between "government entity" and "privately funded business not receiving federal funds."

[Monty]

In the meantime, I shall acquaint myself with the proper spelling of "acquaint."

[Otto]

featherlouWhat I think I'm trying to say (and this is why I stay out of Great Debates) is that we have laws to protect special-interest groups from being discriminated against, but the reverse (ie special-interest groups discriminating against other people) doesn't seem to hold true.
Civil rights laws for the most part (the ADA and transgender rights ordinances come to mind as exceptions) deal with categories, not specifics. They reference "race," "religion," "sex," "sexual orientation" and so on, not specific races, religions, sexes or sexual orientations. It is just as illegal for a member of a "special interest group" to discriminate on the basis of a person's protected class status as it is for "other people" to discriminate against them (see Regents of the University of California v. Bakke, 438 U.S. 265 (1978)).

As far as the ad referenced in the OP, the First Amendment allows for organizations with a religious purpose to hire in accordance with their religious beliefs (within limits). A church may refuse applications for spiritual leaders from people not of the faith of the church. A Christian book store is allowed to hire only Christians. The Boy Scouts may limit their membership to those who profess a belief in a supreme being. And so on. Working in a warehouse is hardly IMHO a job that requires one profess a particular faith.

IANAL and YMMV.

[Cat Whisperer]

Yup, that's why I stay out of Great Debates. Thanks for the info, Otto.

[KellyM]

Otto: Most "transgender rights" ordinances merely prohibit discrimination on the basis of "gender identity". As such, they are categorical, not specific. It would be illegal, under such an ordinance, to refuse to hire a person because they were not transgendered unless the position specifically required it as a BFOQ. (There are such jobs.)

[JohnT]

I'm not too sure that the company is technically doing anything illegal. The question about being a Christian was not on the job application, and the OP mentioned that the Christian stuff was on the job description... once again, not illegal. Sounds like they're skating on the thin edge of (il)legality...

I wouldn't sue... why bother? To get a job where you'd be instantly ostracized by everybody else who works there?

[ruadh]

JohnT, when the law says "bona fide occupational qualification" it means bona fide occupational qualification. Employers can't get around antidiscrimination laws that easily.

[Kirkland1244]

I wonder: does this same protection (can't not hire someone for a basic, non-religiously oriented job) apply to political affiliation? I would think it would -- if you're hiring someone, I would assume that you can't just refuse to hire them because they're a Democrat/Republican/Whatever unless that would substantially effect their job performance, right?

Just wondering...

Kirk

[A Monkey With a Gun]

Originally posted by Kirkland1244
I wonder: does this same protection (can't not hire someone for a basic, non-religiously oriented job) apply to political affiliation? I would think it would -- if you're hiring someone, I would assume that you can't just refuse to hire them because they're a Democrat/Republican/Whatever unless that would substantially effect their job performance, right? Nope, employers can discriminate based on political affiliation, sexual orientation, shoe size, hair color, and whatever else they desire as long as their criteria does not conflict with title VII, which prohibits discrimination based on "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin". If it's not one of those five, federal law does not apply and they can choose whoever.

State laws and city ordinances may include sexual orientation, age, weight, etc. but again, unless it is specifically mentioned the employer can discriminate at will.

Another thing, some people seem to be confusing the public employers, private employers, and private clubs. Public employers have to obey title VII and their own governmental hiring policies which tend to be less discriminatory. In some areas discrimination based on sexual orientation may be prohibited for state and city agencies but not private employers. Private employers have to obey the "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin" stipulation in title VII, but otherwise are free to discriminate however they please. Private clubs are not covered by title VII and can discriminate at will.

This is where some of the people in this thread are getting mixed up: employers and clubs. Private clubs such as Augusta National (the Masters golf tournament) can prohibit women from joining. That's perfectly legal. However, if they start hiring they can not discriminate against women for their work force - even though they can still exclude women from their membership.

All this said, it seems like the guys in the OP are violating title VII. I can't see this warehouse falling under the necesity provision (priests and such) or employing less than 15 people. Also, putting the question "Are you a Christian?" on page two of the application is just over the top. Somebody should sue them, as this is unbelievably blatant and goes far beyond what Chik-Fil-A ever did. Throw the book at 'em.

By the way, I'm a Christian.

[Otto]

KellyM, I'm curious as to what jobs would require the job holder to be or not be transgendered as a BFOQ.

[Freyr]

Wow, you learn something every day, even in the 'Pit!

I stand corrected.

[RickJay]

Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose
Well, what kind of "warehouse"? If it's a Christian bookstore/warehouse, then no, it's not out of line.
It most certainly would be. You don't need to be a Christian to stack Christian books, any more than you need to be a gourmet chef to stack cookbooks.

[Munch]

The question about being a Christian was not on the job application, and the OP mentioned that the Christian stuff was on the job description... once again, not illegal. Sounds like they're skating on the thin edge of (il)legality...

JohnT, you may want to read the rest of the thread:

Originally posted by Critical1:
after sending my app there was a second page with one question...are you a christian? yes no

[AZCowboy]

Here is an interesting question for the teeming millions that derives from this OP:

Is the company in question espousing Christian values?

If the motivation, as seems apparent, is to exclude non-Christians from employment opportunities within the company, is such exclusion consistent with Christian values?

How does a Christian reconcile that approach with the Golden Rule? Or have the Christians modified the Golden Rule to read:

"Do unto Christians as you would have them do unto you"?

[KellyM]

Originally posted by Otto
KellyM, I'm curious as to what jobs would require the job holder to be or not be transgendered as a BFOQ. Shemale escort.

[A Monkey With a Gun]

Critical1, I can understand if you don't want to go through the hassle of a court battle, but I would still contact these guys: Washington State Human Rights Commision (http://www.wa.gov/hrc/). Pay especial atention to the part about "filing a complaint" and the FAQ's section under "General Information". They may not be able to do anything if you want to remain anonymous, but all it takes is a phone call to find out. Could be that is all you ever have to do to set things in motion.

The warehouse's practice is against the law, but will continue unless somebody reports them to the proper authorities.

[KellyM]

If this was an online job posting, you should complain to the operators of the posting service. They can get in trouble for allowing an employer to run illegal ads.

[Kirkland1244]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Nope, employers can discriminate based on political affiliation, sexual orientation, shoe size, hair color, and whatever else they desire as long as their criteria does not conflict with title VII, which prohibits discrimination based on "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin". If it's not one of those five, federal law does not apply and they can choose whoever.

That's kinda lame. IMO, political philosophy/membership is as fundamental as religion, if not more so. I, personally, don't think people should be able to discriminate against ANYTHING that won't effect an applicant's ability to do their job. Particularly unchosen traits like sexual orientation.

Somebody should sue them, as this is unbelievably blatant and goes far beyond what Chik-Fil-A ever did.

Given that Chik-Fil-A has been sued before, I believe, for firing folks for being non-Christian, and is notorious for firing gay people for being gay. Anyone who eats at Chik-Fil-A is supporting one of the most rancid, evil and bigotted companies in America.

Kirk

[Kirkland1244]

Originally posted by AZCowboy
How does a Christian reconcile that approach with the Golden Rule? Or have the Christians modified the Golden Rule to read:

"Do unto Christians as you would have them do unto you"?

Great numbers of Christian "churches" have done exactly that -- look at the vile bullshit that constantly streams from organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention and like-"minded" organizations about gays, Muslims, liberals, etc. Treating other people like dirt in violation of the golden rule is a hallmark of Christian fundamentalism -- at least in my experience.

Kirk

[A Monkey With a Gun]

Originally posted by Kirkland1244
That's kinda lame. [/B]It's the law ::shrug::

AZcowboy, kirkland we already have two "Christians are bad threads" going in the pit right now. Please, oh please, don't turn this into another one. If you want to talk civil rights, stay here, but if all you want is to bash religon, go to one of the other two.

[AZCowboy]

Beeblebrox, point taken, but please don't mistake my question regarding the company in the OP as a characterization of all Christians. Upon re-reading my post, I can see how that could be inferred - that was not my intent - my apology to anyone who read it that way.

Let me ask it differently: Do Christians on this board think what this company is doing is consistent with Christian values? If so, how and why?

[Polycarp]

I, personally, don't think people should be able to discriminate against ANYTHING that won't effect an applicant's ability to do their job. Particularly unchosen traits like sexual orientation.

But, Kirk, if you want the job bad enough, you can change stuff like that. Just ask John Paulk!! ;)

[Larry Mudd]

Heh heh-- "Kirk" (http://www.bartleby.com/61/47/K0074700.html)

[Siege]

I just got a link from one of my job search engine to a website (http://www.hotjobs.com/cgi-bin/parse-file?TEMPLATE=/htdocs/tools/smpages/interviews_document.html&SMDOCID=HotJobs.com_2002_10_31_1036078693438&SMContentSet=0) which deals with being asked this sort of question during an interview, if anyone's interested. I don't know if you need to register to read it; if so, I apologize.

Also, thanks for the heads up on Chick-Fil-A. That's one more place to cross off my list, if you will.

CJ

[Guinastasia]

Well, guys, I think Kirkland is, like moi, a lapsed Catholic. Although I don't know if he's more lapsed than thou.

;)

[Guinastasia]

I mean THEE!!! Dammit.

:smack:

[Critical1]

Well thanks for all the insights and relevant info, I may give a phone call or two to people who should know about this.

I am talking to the unenjoyment folks tomorrow anyway so I will see what they have to say about this.

[marykidd]

go to www.retailworker.com - if you're wondering about the application - you ain't seen nothing yet....