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furryman
01-16-2003, 03:22 PM
Some questions about the words friggin' and frikkin'.*
1. Are these both the same word and I'm mishearing one?
2. If they're two different words: I figure "friggin'" means "fucking". Does "frikkin' " mean "freakin' " or "fucking"?
3. In this context what does "freakin' " mean? Crazy?

*BAND NAME! :D

Monkeypants
01-16-2003, 03:30 PM
I wouldn't look too deeply in to it. They don't mean anything. They are just non-expletive ways of saying fucking.

Berkut
01-16-2003, 03:32 PM
I understand that they all mean the same thing.

Freakin
Fricken
Frikken
Friggin
Effing
Farking

I use them interchangably, anyways.

Cillasi
01-16-2003, 03:32 PM
As far as I'm aware, friggin, frikkin, fuggin, freakin and most other permutations are masks for "fucking," each having been the more popular permutation at one time or another.

Olentzero
01-16-2003, 03:44 PM
Oddly enough, this particular subject was broached in today's "Hi and Lois". First time I remember seeing "friggin' " in a daily comic strip.

Of course, I remember seeing that particular word being used in some of the more pulchritudinous men's magazines *cough*Penthouse Forum*cough* as a synonym for female masturbation.

Zagadka
01-16-2003, 03:54 PM
There is only one true form that means anything. Farking.

tomndebb
01-16-2003, 04:31 PM
Ah! Youth (and a lack of dictonaries).

The verb frig means to masturbate.

In the late 1950s and early 1960s, it appeared in several novels (usually about the military) as a minced oath/substitute for fuck (which could still get a book in trouble at that time).

By the end of the 1960s, the word freak had morphed into a verb and the adjective (from the verb) freaking began to gain popularity.

Since a lot of impressionable teens read frig (correctly) as a substitute for fuck, many (lacking a fuller education) began to use the word to mean fuck.

I am not sure whether frickin' is a corruption of friggin', a conflation of friggin' and freakin', or some other construction, but it is basically a nonsense intensifier rather than actually carrying a meaning of its own. (No one actually fricks anything, while many people frig and fuck.)

tomndebb
01-16-2003, 04:36 PM
Hmmm, the Merriam-Webster claims that frig has meant copulate since the sixteenth century. I cry error! on them. The OED indicates "rubbing or chafing" and I have never seen the word used to mean []fuck[/i] prior to the late 1950s.

furryman
01-17-2003, 02:29 PM
So "Freakin' " means fucking too. I never even thought about that. Thanks people.

troub
01-17-2003, 02:38 PM
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=frig

tomndebb
01-17-2003, 03:10 PM
So "Freakin' " means fucking too. I never even thought about that. Thanks people. Only as an adjectival or adverbial intensifier. One does not freak one's SO (except by waving many-legged critters before his or her face).

Freakin' as an adjective came from the labeling of hippies and related counter-culture types as freaks--a term they then happily applied to themselves and while adding the "ing" suffix, began to use to identify especially salubrious actions or events. That period did not last long, but the continued use of freakin' as an intensifier lingered on, leading to my conjecture/question as to whether friggin' and freakin' may have been conflated to create frickin'. Farkin' is, pretty clearly, simply a later continuation of the trend to move away from the original pronunciation of any of those words, much in the manner of par-taayyy! from party.

Skammer
01-17-2003, 03:31 PM
[Rod Flanders] "Ow, my freakin' ears!" [/Rod Flanders]

mogiaw
01-17-2003, 04:11 PM
As far as i know frig has been used in the substitutive (is that a word?) sense in Ireland since before the '60s. Unfortunately i don't have a cite so i could be incorrect.

friggae
01-17-2003, 05:53 PM
Well freak, maybe it's time for me to change my nick. :(

samclem
01-17-2003, 07:03 PM
Fricking is cited from 1936. Freaking from 1928. Both were meant as a substitute for fucking. Either one could have been used before the other.

Frickin' appears in print about 1970.

tom. The word frig used as an expletive(frig you!) and substitute for "fuck", appears in print as early as 1879. It doesn't show up in everyday usage until the 1930's. But it appears about then used by Kingsley, O'Hara, etc.

Super Gnat
01-17-2003, 07:21 PM
There's cursing in GQ! :eek: Somebody call the Morality Police ;)

elfkin477
01-17-2003, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by tomndebb
Hmmm, the Merriam-Webster claims that frig has meant copulate since the sixteenth century. I cry error! on them. The OED indicates "rubbing or chafing" and I have never seen the word used to mean []fuck[/i] prior to the late 1950s.

I'll second the cry of error. Frig was used in victorian erotica to mean exactly what you said: masturbation. Only in regards to women, though, at least from what I've read...

tomndebb
01-17-2003, 07:43 PM
sam, I'll accept any version of a minced oath (or any effort to avoid a censorship trial) where frig is used for fuck. I suspect that the O'Hara and Kingsley citations were attempts to avoid censors, as well. (Dos Passos also used it, but it is not clear that he meant fuck, as opposed to simply using it as a general cuss word.) This obviously pushes it back prior to my 1950s dates. However, I'd be curious about the 1879 citation and what was actually meant by its use.

samclem
01-17-2003, 10:02 PM
tom. The 1879 quote comes from The Pearl: reviewed thusly Lewd, bawdy, and sensual, this cult classic is a collection of Victorian erotica that circulated in an underground magazine known as The Pearl from July 1879 to December 1880. Now dusted off and totally uncensored, the journal of voluptuous reading that titillated the eminent Victorians is reprinted in its entirety. The 18 issues of The Pearl are packed with short stories, naughty poems, ballads of sexual adventure, letters, limericks, jokes, gossip, and six serialized novels including "La Rose d'Amour," filled with inventive and exotic lovemaking scenes; "Miss Coote's Confession," with graphic descriptions of initiations into pleasure; and "Young Beginners," a collection of exuberant sexual adventures. Scatological and scandalous, The Pearl is definitely not for the straitlaced or pure of mind. -- from http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:VrhmBB7FpJEC:www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1562011014%3Fvi%3Dglance+pearl+1879+book&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The actual quoted cite is :Two prisoners were brought in....The Sergeant requested orders regarding them. The Major merrily answered: "Oh , take them away and frig them."

I guess I implied it was used as an expletive, rather I meant as a euphemism for "fuck." Or, in the case of the Major's quote, "screw 'em" or something like that.

Unless the Major was telling the Sgt. to go masturbate the prisoners :eek:

samclem
01-17-2003, 10:14 PM
tom and elfkin477. My sources do cite frig as a verb meaning copulation as early as 1610, but I personally think the quotes(1610, 1650, 1684) can be interepreted as either referring to masturbation or intercourse. They're just not that clear cut, at least to me.


There is an 1865 cite which absolutely is referring to intercourse.

Cartooniverse
01-17-2003, 10:31 PM
In 1650, was there a DIFFERENCE???????

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tomndebb
01-17-2003, 10:33 PM
Well, the joke endsThe sergeant retired. In an hour he returned and respectfully made this report: "Please your honour, we have frigged the young one, but we can't make the old man's cock stand."I suspect that your "screw em" conjecture matched the officer's intent, but the joke is based on the literal nature of the sergeant as he responded to the actual order.

Gazoo
01-17-2003, 10:33 PM
Common usage, I'd say all of those are replacements for fuck. I use freakin' all the time around people who have kids.

Now, you can look in the Oxford all day, but even that will define a word based on its usage...

tomndebb
01-17-2003, 10:35 PM
even that will define a word based on its usage... I certainly hope so. That is what good dictionaries do.

Gazoo
01-17-2003, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by tomndebb
I certainly hope so. That is what good dictionaries do. As opposed to finding the origination of "frig," "freak," etc. In other words, look to the usage, not the history.

JRootabega
01-17-2003, 11:29 PM
"freak" is now most definitely used as a verb similar to "fuck". For instance, who remembers "Freak Me" by Silk?

Cartooniverse
01-19-2003, 10:49 AM
Definitely a case where common useage has shifted in the last few decades. Late 1960's/early 1970's meaning of freak wasn't sexual intercourse, it was , IIRC, much more drug use-related.

Not to be a finger-pointer, but amongst many other groups, Grateful Dead fans ( such as my brother, my cousins, everyone I grew up with except ME ) referred to themselves rather proudly as Freaks. Then, there was the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. Their exploits were unquestionably drug-use centered, not sexual intercourse-centered.

Not uncommon for a word to shift over the course of several decades, I suppose.

Mephisto
01-19-2003, 12:36 PM
During my teens--this would be in the 1980s--I read a bunch of Hustler and Penthouse magazines. In some of the stories, articles, and no-doubt 100% accurate letters, the words frig and friggin' were often used to mean rubbing or chaffing and/or masturbation . . . you know, a woman would get excited and, using her hands, start "furiously friggin'" her, um, well, you know . . .

TelcontarStorm
01-19-2003, 04:11 PM
FWIW. "Freaking" is the act of removing tobacco from a Black and Mild cigar, removing the paper interior sheeth, and replacing the tobacco into the wrapper still attached to the mouthpiece. Believe me it very much improves the flavor.
From my use of the word I do not believe it is a derivitave of fuck.