King of De Nile (former king of pop)

[Padeye]

Mask-wearing, baby-dangling songster (http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/05/michael.jackson.ap/index.html) Michael Jackson told the whopper of the new century, that his face was never reshaped with plastic surgery. Is the masked one so deluded he thinks it's true or does he just think the public is stupid?

[lieu]

[Fraser Crane]

Cliff, what color is the sky in your world?

[/Fraser Crane]

[Mac Guffin]

No really! His chin just GREW that cleft! His cheekbones just moved on their own accord! His nose shrunk down to a nubbins via magic pixie dust.

I think the more disturbing thing here is the fact that he sleeps with children. Even if it's "Just sleeping" it still disturbs me.

I think some court somewhere should order DNA tests to see if those kids of his are really his.

I mean the guy sings and talks like a child and shows almost no male secondary sex characteristics. I think he might be a castrati.

But I am not saying he IS. Just Might be..

[Sauron]

Originally posted by particlewill
I think he might be a castrati.

Y'know, this would actually make sense. In one of his signature dance moves, he's not cupping his genitalia -- he's scratching the itch from a healing surgical incision.

[Indygrrl]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003051772,00.html

Here's one where he admits to sleeping with children and tells that his son's name is "Blanket." Wtf?

[Guinastasia]

He's sad. He's seriously seriously sad.

Someone, please. Do something. He's heading for a crash. Soon. One can only hope someone will do something for those kids.

[World Eater]

Don't miss the show tonight 8:00 pm!

[Coldfire]

I've seen the documentary. It's... surreal. Can't blame the journalist for walking away of it all after having asked the burning questions. Questions that didn't really find a good reception with Michael.

Jackson feels "utterly betrayed" by BBC interviewer Martin Bashir (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2731663.stm)

[everton]

Originally posted by Padeye
Mask-wearing, baby-dangling songster (http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/05/michael.jackson.ap/index.html) Michael Jackson told the whopper of the new century, that his face was never reshaped with plastic surgery. Is the masked one so deluded he thinks it's true or does he just think the public is stupid?
Originally posted by particlewill
No really! His chin just GREW that cleft! His cheekbones just moved on their own accord! His nose shrunk down to a nubbins via magic pixie dust.
Not strictly an accurate reflection of his comments on the show – he admitted to having had two procedures on his nose. But yeah, he seemed to believe people would buy the idea that all other changes in his appearance happened just like that, or were a result of vitiligo. The fact that Bashir couldn't get a better answer sinks the whole sorry business AFAIC, but by now most of you should have had a chance to see it for yourselves.

Indygrrl:
You do realise there's a special level of Hell set aside for people who link to the Sun on these boards don't you?

[OpalCat]

I believe he just refers to the kid as Blanket, that isn't his real name. I know one of his kids is named Prince Michael :rolleyes:

[everton]

Originally posted by Coldfire
I've seen the documentary. It's... surreal. Can't blame the journalist for walking away of it all after having asked the burning questions. Questions that didn't really find a good reception with Michael.

Jackson feels "utterly betrayed" by BBC interviewer Martin Bashir (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2731663.stm)
Oh, and 'scuse the boring nitpick, but Bashir doesn't work for the BBC – it was an ITV programme.

[everton]

Originally posted by OpalCat
I believe he just refers to the kid as Blanket, that isn't his real name. I know one of his kids is named Prince Michael :rolleyes:
Bizarrely, his three kids are called Prince Michael Jackson I, Paris Michael Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson II (aka Blanket). Not the most ridiculous celebrity kids names I've ever heard but, well, you do have to roll your eyes all the same don't you?

[Coldfire]

Originally posted by everton
Oh, and 'scuse the boring nitpick, but Bashir doesn't work for the BBC – it was an ITV programme. I stand corrected. I watched it on a Dutch channel the day after the UK premiere, and they introduced it as BBC material. A stern letter shall be written, I assure you. ;)

[Guinastasia]

Originally posted by OpalCat
I believe he just refers to the kid as Blanket, that isn't his real name. I know one of his kids is named Prince Michael :rolleyes:

Both boys are.

You know, even with the scarf on, you can still see what the kid looks like. So why even BOTHER?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Didn't he used to call his little boytoys "rubba?" How disturbing is that.

I really do feel for these poor kids, seriously, I'm not kidding even a little. I think these kids need to be rescued before they're fucked up beyond all repair.

[Silentgoldfish]

Originally posted by particlewill
I think he might be a castrati.

But I am not saying he IS. Just Might be..

Ya think? (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=124942&highlight=michael+jackson+eunuch)

;)

[Guinastasia]

Did you see him at that shop? What the FUCK? It was like giant Faberge eggs, only they weren't as nice. It was all rococco and all these urns. Totally tacky. Ugly stuff.

You know, if I had his extravagance, I wouldn't build a ranch/zoo/amusement park. I'd build a huge library-museum-center of culture and education. And I'd arrange for people to study and learn, for plans to educate.

But I wouldn't just buy crap like that on a whim!

[everton]

Originally posted by Guinastasia
But I wouldn't just buy crap like that on a whim!
Yeah, but that's the difference between you and an adult with the mind of a small boy, y'old bore ;).

I've heard several people complain about how he should be spending more of his money on children's aid foundations and less on useless crap. But that would be too rational as well. Other comments I've heard are how weird it was to see him buying paintings virtually by the yard without even looking at them and how empty his funfair looked.

How about that plan to adopt a couple of kids from every continent? Should we switch "adopt" with "collect" in that sentence?

[Moirai]

That is not the most disturbing stuff. The fact that he said the children have NO contact whatsoever with their mother (indeed, the older Prince told Bashir that he didn't have a mummy) really freaks me out. Michael claims Debbie Rowe, the mother of the two oldest children, "can't handle it" and thinks he "needs to be a daddy" so she never sees them, ever.

Eew.

And what's this happy horseshit about the third kid's mother? At one point MJ says she was a surrogate and he never even met her or knew her name, and at another point he says he had a relationship with her. WTF?

As far as the nickname "blanket" goes, I was calling my youngest "squeak toy" for a while because of the sounds he made!

[Guinastasia]

My dad STILL calls me Bean. I used to eat mashed green beans as a baby and smear it all over my face.

My sister was Poups (like the oo in book), because she had bad diaarhea as a child. (She'd kill me if she knew I was saying this. HA!)

I know I'm not a millionaire masturbating my inner child, but still, I mean, that's just what I would do, if I had his money. I mean, yeah, what he spends it on is his business. That's not what I have a problem with. It's just the WAY he does it-he has no taste whatsoever. WAAAAY too much Rococco.

Art Nouveau is much much better.

[monstro]

I think he was showing off in that mall scene. Like saying, "I'll prove that I'm worth a billion dollars! I'll buy all this garbage and you'll see!"

I liked how he called Martin "silly" for thinking the mall was just a tad bit garish.

[Green Bean]

Calling the kid "Blanket" was the least of the weirdness, IMHO. I am just feeling so disturbed after watching that.

Y'know, I do think that the super-rich have the right to spend their money how they want, and I don't begrudge them their lavish lifestyles, but seeing how Michael Jackson lives and hearing him gush about how he wants to help children really made me see red. Those urns he was buying were $275,000 each, right? Could you imagine what you could do for a kid (or kids) for $275,000? For the price of that urn, he could set a whole family up in a decent house in a nice town with good schools. If I were super-rich, I'm sure I'd buy some ultra-expensive things, but at least I'd put some thought into the things I buy.

[Tuckerfan]

I wonder how much it cost him to buy Disneyland for a day, as he's done in the past? Can't be cheap, and I can think of a lot better things to do with that kind of money.

[Beagle]

He could have ended hunger in Africa by not having plastic surgery, not purchising expensive crap, and avoiding lawsuits involving children.

[Rilchiam]

Originally posted by Silentgoldfish
Ya think? (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=124942&highlight=michael+jackson+eunuch)

;)

Followed all the links. Finally heard a sound file of an Alessandro Moreschi recording.

Welp, I'm gonna have nightmares.

[dragongirl]

Michael Jackson needs some serious help, the guy's a nut. I really hope that someone takes his kids away before they become warped too.

[Mauvaise]

I think Michael Jackson's a freak, no question, a Big HUGE freak. But the way he chooses to spend his money isn't one of the things, in my mind, that makes him a freak.

[elf6c]

Captain Insane adds a little more fuel to the fire (a nice Yahoo link):

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030207/ap_on_en_mu/britain_michael_jackson_11

Oh sure, go after the interviewers now-- its their fault you look like a crazy pedophile.

:rolleyes:

[SisterCoyote]

Tuckerfan -

He's never bought Disneyland for a day. Honest. (or, more accurately, Cite, please?)

However, he has been known to show up very late at night to "shop" at the park, keeping the employees there later than they should be, and then not buy anything.

I know. I was there.

[World Eater]

Originally posted by everton
Bizarrely, his three kids are called Prince Michael Jackson I, Paris Michael Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson II (aka Blanket). Not the most ridiculous celebrity kids names I've ever heard but, well, you do have to roll your eyes all the same don't you?

Yeah I think George Foreman has everyone beat, except for Zappa.

[jk1245]

Mike is insane. I'm not saying that facetiously either.

Where to begin on this train wreck?
"I've never had plastic surgery. Well, except two operations on my nose so I could sing higher" Does he actually expect anyone to believe that? Does he believe it?

Of course, the sleeping with kids is the most disturbing. Prior to him having his own kids, I actually wasn't too bothered by this. I always saw him as an arrested 8 year old in the body of a grown man. He seemed asexual, like a big, rich muppet. Now that it's obvious he knows what sex organs can be used for, I wouldn't let my kid within a time zone of him. Of course, where the hell are the kids' parents during these sleepovers? Getting ready to count their money, no doubt.

Anyway, a revolting, fascinating 2 hrs of TV!

[Guinastasia]

Originally posted by SisterCoyote
Tuckerfan -

He's never bought Disneyland for a day. Honest. (or, more accurately, Cite, please?)

However, he has been known to show up very late at night to "shop" at the park, keeping the employees there later than they should be, and then not buy anything.

I know. I was there.

Really? Do tell.

[Super Gnat]

Originally posted by Rilchiam
Followed all the links. Finally heard a sound file of an Alessandro Moreschi recording.

Welp, I'm gonna have nightmares.

I couldn't find one. So I gave up and tried to Google and *still* couldn't find one. Can you provide a link?

[Rilchiam]

Originally posted by Super Gnat
I couldn't find one. So I gave up and tried to Google and *still* couldn't find one. Can you provide a link?

Alessandro Moreschi (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000000WYS/qid=1044658778/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-6242853-7092650?v=glance&s=music&n=507846). Scroll down and listen to samples.

[Padeye]

Sounds like someone's strangling a baby, with a cat.

[OpalCat]

Originally posted by Rilchiam
Followed all the links. Finally heard a sound file of an Alessandro Moreschi recording.

Welp, I'm gonna have nightmares.

Aside:

Does anyone know where I can hear these in some format OTHER than RealPlayer? RP crashes my system instantly.

[OpalCat]

He spent $6 million on one shopping trip on like a zillion URNS how fucking weird is that? And I like Rococco, but not to that extreme... good god!

And what was with that huge painting of him with all the angels around him, and him all naked except for that toga-wrap thing around his hips?!

There were parts of the show that I really liked, though. I like that he climbs trees. I climb trees, and I love it.

[Rilchiam]

Re: the shopping trip. Mr. Rilch opined that, though rococco sickens him, he could easily spend on art what MJ spent. He would need far more than $1 million or even $5 million to acquire Andrew Wyeth's Helgas, but he could amass quite a collection of the available Wyeths, plus John Stobarts, N.C. and Jamie Wyeths, and Howard Pyles. Maybe even some Gigers and Eschers. The point being that, if he had the money, Mr. Rilch would spend it on that kind of art. MJ does have the money, so he spent it on his kind of art.

And what's the big deal about what kind of art it was, anyway? At least it wasn't Thomas Kinkades!

[Padeye]

Originally posted by Rilchiam
And what's the big deal about what kind of art it was, anyway? At least it wasn't Thomas Kinkades!

I suppose the pointy nose one isn't completely crazy if he doesn't have work by the Kenny G. of painting.

[Tuckerfan]

Originally posted by SisterCoyote
Tuckerfan -

He's never bought Disneyland for a day. Honest. (or, more accurately, Cite, please?)

However, he has been known to show up very late at night to "shop" at the park, keeping the employees there later than they should be, and then not buy anything.

I know. I was there. One time on Entertainment Tonight they made the claim, and showed footage taken from just outside the park, in daylight, of the place deserted except MJ and some kids. Best I can do. (Disney may have had some other reason for closing the park that day, besides the appearance of Whacko Jacko.)

[kung fu lola]

Originally posted by jk1245
Of course, the sleeping with kids is the most disturbing. Prior to him having his own kids, I actually wasn't too bothered by this. I always saw him as an arrested 8 year old in the body of a grown man. He seemed asexual, like a big, rich muppet. Now that it's obvious he knows what sex organs can be used for, I wouldn't let my kid within a time zone of him.

OMG you're not saying that you actually think those children were concieved the regular way?

Them's test-tube babies. Or adopted. I would actually have to see a videotape to believe they were concieved by Jacko and his "wife" (or whatever). But, of course, upon seeing such a tape, I would unfortunately have to throw myself beneath a train. So perhaps that's a revelation I can live without.

[jk1245]

Originally posted by kung fu lola
OMG you're not saying that you actually think those children were concieved the regular way?

Them's test-tube babies. Or adopted. I would actually have to see a videotape to believe they were concieved by Jacko and his "wife" (or whatever). But, of course, upon seeing such a tape, I would unfortunately have to throw myself beneath a train. So perhaps that's a revelation I can live without.


On no, no. I'm well aware that no human woman would consent to sexual relations with Jacko. But, in order to get samples of his sperm (I just had a whole body shiver, like when you hear fingermails on a chalkboard), he would need to....uhhhh...."extract" it.

I'm totally with you on the videotape thing.

[Guinastasia]

Oh, I'd spend a lot on art-I LOVE Art Nouveau, and if I had the money, and the opportunity to buy things by Faberge, you bet I would. (Especially the Imperial eggs), or whatever.

It's just the way he was so casual about it. And the stuff wasn't stuff of importance-it was just URNS for crissakes.

Nothing wrong with climbing trees-that's a beautiful tree, and that pond by it...spectacular view. Although, I never did climb trees, as I'm uncoordinated as all get out and afraid of heights.

[SisterCoyote]

Originally posted by Guinastasia
Really? Do tell.

Well, only the one night:

Lessee, this was post my car wreck, so 1992/3-ish?

At the time, I'd taken a summer shift in Disney Clothiers, on Main Street (about halfway up the right hand side of the street, in a building with shared access to, in order, the Camera Shop, China Closet, Silhouettes, the glass shop and a plush shop at the top of the street. This becomes important later).

My shift started at 1850, and was due to end at 0200 (in the summer, the park closes at midnight and Main Street is "officially" open until 0100. Of course, if you're in the Emporium, you're lucky if you get the last guest out of there half an hour after that. But I digress. The extra hour on the clock was time to close the registers - count cash and balance them - clean up the shop, drop off the cash at cash control and still have fifteen minutes to change out of your costume and get to the time clocks to clock out).

Because it had been a warm night, and therefore slow in Clothiers, we were down to two registers. The upper shops had already closed, so we were able to lock everything down precisely at 0100. I was up front counting one of the registers, and my Lead (manager) was counting the other, when we got a phone call.

Michael Jackson had just come in the park and wanted to shop in our block of shops. Put the money back in the tills, reopen the register, and wait.

Mike (the Lead) wanted to send everyone else home, but that wasn't allowed. So he took the register he'd been counting out into the back and finished closing it, leaving me up front.

Jacko came through Clothiers in a whir, and walked up to the China Closet. He proceeded to spend nearly an hour window-shopping, and bought nothing. During this time, we had literally nothing to do - Clothiers was clean, everything was restocked (better than we generally had a chance to do it); Mike even had one of the guys clean the brass - not our job, but we were out of our skulls with boredom/exhaustion.

I was finally allowed to close my register at 0225, when Michael left through the China Closet back entrance. He had not bought anything.

We clocked out at nearly 0300.

(Boy, that was long.)

Tuckerfan -

Disneyland is, and has been as far back as I can remember, a 24/7 operation. Now, there was one day, back in the 1990s, when there was a tornado in downtown Anaheim that the park ended up closed due to weather. But the Riots didn't close it. 911 didn't close it.

It's possible Jacko was there early, before park open; or that there was something else going on - it's also possible that someone got a lucky shot.

Jacko could easily have arranged a "private party," but those are at night, after regular hours, and just about anyone can arrange them. Some corporations even do them as fundraisers. (No, I don't remember - if I ever knew - the cost of an evening party.)

Of course, the above is AFAIR. YMMV.

[Xploder]

Originally posted by World Eater
Yeah I think George Foreman has everyone beat, except for Zappa.

Apropos of nothing very much...

Zappa's children are named as follows:

Moon Unit

Dweezil

Ahmet also sometimes given as Ahmet Emuukha Rhodan

Diva


All in all, pretty strange but I've heard much worse...

[Liberal]

I thought Zappa had a son named Motorhead.

[Super Gnat]

Originally posted by Rilchiam
Alessandro Moreschi (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000000WYS/qid=1044658778/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-6242853-7092650?v=glance&s=music&n=507846). Scroll down and listen to samples.

Thanks.

And to Opal: in my previous search for recordings, they said Moreschi wasn't a particularly good singer, but he's the only castrati they have recorded.

[Paul in Qatar]

Predictions, anyone?

How will MJ finally end up? Jailed? Suicide? A faded forgotten obit in 2027?

Somehow I see an out-of-character police siege.

[jackelope]

Super Gnat, you are correct; Moreschi was a lousy singer (as anyone can tell by listening to him), but his recordings are of historical significance, as they are the only recordings of castrati.

Then again...

The jazz singer Jimmy Scott has a medical condition in which his testicles never descended and he never experienced sexual maturation, i.e., his voice never changed. In essence, he is a natural castrato. And when he sings, you know you're hearing a master; he's worth checking out.

His latest album at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005ABHC/ref=m_art_li_6/103-1118924-8399031)

[jackelope]

P.S. Sorry for the hijack. Got carried away.

[Silentgoldfish]

Originally posted by jackelope
P.S. Sorry for the hijack. Got carried away.

No, no, that was a good one! :)

As for MJL... he could really benifit from losing a LOT of money. I don't want to see him in the poorhouse but he could really use someone telling him how messed up he is and getting him help without him having the money or power to stay in denial.

[Padeye]

Not a hijack at all Jackelope. I listened to the Moreschi recordings and wondered if he was just awful or I was just ignorant. Jimmy Scott I've heard of and he is a better example of the voice if not the style.

[Stoid]

My hunny made a good point...Jackson is an extraordinarily bad liar. His lies are downright insulting. And the reason for that is pretty easy to figure: absolutely no one close to him ever busts him on it. Which means that the poor guy doesn't have even one really good friend.

He's a desperately sad soul that is only going to get sadder with time.

No one else is mentioning the thing about him that disturbs ME the most: he seems dirty. Physically unclean. His hair is stringy and looks like it has tons of goo in it, his makeup tends to look very Elizabeth R in her later years, caked on, and his hand...eew...his fingertips are brown. He looks like he smells funny.

[wring]

Originally posted by Stoid
. He looks like he smells funny.

with that nose of his, I'm not sure he smells at all.

stoid whispers.

oh. well that's very different.


Nevermind.

[Rilchiam]

Originally posted by Stoid

No one else is mentioning the thing about him that disturbs ME the most: he seems dirty. Physically unclean. His hair is stringy and looks like it has tons of goo in it, his makeup tends to look very Elizabeth R in her later years, caked on, and his hand...eew...his fingertips are brown. He looks like he smells funny.

I'll concede the stringy hair. But overall, I'm not sure his appearance is that bad, nor that less-than-perfect self-maintenance is bad either. There was a time when he was obsessed with hygiene and avoiding germs, maybe due to OCD, or just Howard Hughes-esque isolation. He was also excessively vain and self-centered. In fact, that may be another reason why he was unable to relate to anyone except children for many years.

I'm not saying he's a good parent. But it does seem that he cares for his kids, in his own misguided way. If he were the same person he was in the late '80s, he would definitely be a bad parent through simply ignoring his kids. At least this way, they get attention.

[OpalCat]

You do realize that that isn't his hair, right? It's a wig.

[Eva Luna]

It it even remotely possible that the parents of kids who spend the night at the ranch actually think it's an innocent slumber party? Is anyone really that delusional? Or should they all have their kids taken away from them?

[Guinastasia]

He said his father has blue eyes, but from every article that discussed this, it seems Joe Jackson has BROWN eyes.

The lies he tells are so easily refuted. But what's even more disturbing-he believes those lies.

He scares me.

Stoid, who is Elizabeth R?

[everton]

Originally posted by Guinastasia
Stoid, who is Elizabeth R?
Elizabeth I of England signed herself that way (actually the present queen does too). I expect the Glenda Jackson version (http://www.erasofelegance.com/eliz2.jpg) explains Stoid's point pretty well.

[Guinastasia]

AAAAHHH!!!!! Holy Mary, Mother of GOD, make it STOP!!!

[Stoid]

'zackly.

I'd also like to say that I don't think that Jackson gets sexual with kids. Or maybe not never, but rarely. I think Bashir had it right in saying that Jackson is frightened of sex and part of his being so childlike includes a fundamentally asexual nature.

On the other hand, true pedophiles sound alot like Jackson on the subject of children. For a true pedo, children are love objects, not just sex objects. And that describes him perfectly.

Does anyone know if he is doing or did 60 minutes tonight? Iheard he wanted to.

[Shirley Ujest]

Why is it it seems that Paul Reubens ( and Jeffrey Jones, for that matter) seem to pop up in the police/public eye for ...uh...conduct unbecoming of a person in a public place (or with kids, as it may be apparent with Jeffrey Jones.)

But, Jacko, admits on television that he has sleep over parties. AND dangles a baby from a balcony and their isn't one investigation ?

The guy is pathetic, creepy and I don't see how he could have any fan base left.




[sidebar] That link to the castrato music....egads, if I were a boy and my parents ok'd having my nuts cut off and then years down the road I got to actually make a recording of just how awful I sounded, wellsiree...I'd be mad. Nuts are a terrible thing to waste and so is silence with singing that bad.

[Rilchiam]

Shirley, I believe there was an investigation, in '93. Another one may result from this documentary.

What was the deal with Jeffrey Jones, anyway? I thought he just had lewd photos of children, which he may only have purchased. Was he the photographer?

[jackelope]

OK, having posted that about Jimmy Scott and castrati, and even though I still think MJ is one extremely weird, possibly criminal mofo, I still have to admit, in the interest of fairness and balance, that he is a great singer and dancer. Is there another 44-year-old who can dance as well as he did in that documentary? And that was just off the cuff, goofing off! I can't think of anyone his age who can dance like that; Michael Jackson can still DANCE, say what you (and I) will about him. Credit where due, even to the weirdos.

(I am in no way trying to excuse anything he's done; just pointing out that he's still good at what made him his money.)

[Guinastasia]

I believe the CA Attourney General said they don't have enough to justify an investigation.

[iampunha]

Originally posted by jackelope
Is there another 44-year-old who can dance as well as he did in that documentary?

Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers strike me off the bat. I'm sure a Cafe Society-ite could probably do better than that list (of two, but I doubt Opal practices her soft shoe often;)).

[Eva Luna]

Defiitely Mikhail Baryshnikov, but I'm soooooo biased in that department it isn't even funny.

[Padeye]

I don't think we need to deny Jacko's talent. You don't make a wildly successful album like Thriller without having something on the ball but MJ's glory days are behind him and he's so delusional he can't see it.

[auRa]

Originally posted by everton
I expect the Glenda Jackson version (http://www.erasofelegance.com/eliz2.jpg) explains Stoid's point pretty well.

Good god! It's Stephen King's It!

[istara]

Did you guys read the News of the World transcript of the Jordy tapes? Gave me a whole new perspective, up until then I genuinely thought they were misrepresenting MJ. Now I think he's not just mad and deluded, he's harmful:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/news2.html

[Shirley Ujest]

Regarding Jeffrey Jones

According to CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/15/actor.arrested/)

Officer Jason Lee said a search warrant was served at Jones' home in November 2001 after a minor alleged criminal acts of a sexual nature against the 56-year-old actor. During that search, Lee said, officers seized "numerous items of evidence


another site says [quote]Authorities allege Jones hired a 14-year-old boy to pose for still photographs. The charges do not involve any sex act, said Sandi Gibbons, spokeswoman for the district attorney's office.

Jones is scheduled to be arraigned Thursday.

"This is all about photos. There's no allegations of any touching or any improper acts with a minor," attorney Jeffrey Brodey told the Los Angeles Times. "This will be resolved very quickly so he can get on with his life and get back to work." [/quote

I didn't check to see if there were any further news since this, which was November 15.

[tcdaniel]

I find his story about the children being surrounded by women all the time is another lie-- Did anybody see any women in the video?

He didn't mention about sleeping with his own children, but readily admits to sleeping with strangers. Cuddling with your own kids is not out of the norm.

What kind of message is he sending his victims? That it's perfectly normal to sleep with bizzare looking 44 yo men?
I think that's called preening.

Even the parents of these visiting children ought to be looked into.

If this was any other ordinary 44 yo Joe, he'd already be tried , convicted and locked up - pronto.

He's real sick and very rich - I don't understand the justice system for overlooking this fuckin weirdo - singin dancer or not.

[Guinastasia]

But can't you see-he's SOOOO persecuted! He had a BAD CHILDHOOD!!! He's really a NICE GUY!!!!

[OpalCat]

Originally posted by iampunha
Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers strike me off the bat. I'm sure a Cafe Society-ite could probably do better than that list (of two, but I doubt Opal practices her soft shoe often;)).

Soft shoe wasn't exactly the dancing that I was known for ;)

[OpalCat]

I am sure that his kids have a team of nannies that do the actual childcare stuff.

[shy guy]

Welp, I'm gonna have nightmares. Gak. And now so am I. I knew nothing pleasant would come out of a Michael Jackson thread.

[Themis00]

Originally posted by Guinastasia

You know, if I had his extravagance, I wouldn't build a ranch/zoo/amusement park. I'd build a huge library-museum-center of culture and education. And I'd arrange for people to study and learn, for plans to educate.


BAWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D :D :D

What NORMAL kids would enjoy that? They get enough of education at school (well, good schools).

[Guinastasia]

Did anyone catch MJ on ET earlier? I was taking a shower, and my mother fell asleep, so she couldn't tell me what happened.

[DoperChic]

Originally posted by Guinastasia
Did anyone catch MJ on ET earlier? I was taking a shower, and my mother fell asleep, so she couldn't tell me what happened.

Basically, Guin, MJ is pissed about how the aired footage made him look.

While the interviewer (sorry, I forget his name) was taping footage for the show, Michael had his own cameras rolling. According to ET, Michael now plans on airing that footage to prove that the interviewer is basically a jackass out to get him.

They also aired clips of an interview with Michael's first wife. From what I can remember, she said that the children don't call her Mom and that she had the children with Michael because he was meant to be a father.

Personally, that really creeps me out. From the way she worded it, it seemed like she was giving Michael the children with the same nonchalance that one would give someone a sweater as a present.

[Bad News Baboon]

Second wife, no?

Wasn't Lisa Marie his first wife?

[Judith Prietht]

You are correct, Bad News Baboon. Jackson married Presley in 1994 and they divorced in 1996. He married Debbie Rowe in 1996.

I'm sure there's a plethora of things out there, but could anything in particular be causing the brown discolorations on his fingernails?

[Guinastasia]

Perhaps his natural skin color underneath his nails?

[Spoke]

Originally posted by Stoid
I'd also like to say that I don't think that Jackson gets sexual with kids. Or maybe not never, but rarely.

:dubious:

You might want to peruse this affidavit (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.shtml) from the civil lawsuit against Jackson. If the affiant is to be believed, Jackson most definitely gets sexual with kids.

You may doubt the veracity of the affidavit, but it contains some details you wouldn't expect if someone had just invented a story for purposes of a lawsuit.

[Guinastasia]

Or how about this (http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/7.html?sect=19)?

A profile of what pedophiles are usually like. Jackson seems to fit almost EVERY SINGLE ONE. (except for never being fired from jobs, but that's only because he's been in show business.)

[DeadlyAccurate]

Guin, I'm with you 100% on that. I've only read the news articles online and the affidavit, but the way he always referred to children and his relationship with them creeps me out. I do honestly believe that he believes he would never harm a child. Like many molesters, he probably thinks he's showing them true love. In the affidavit, the victim mentioned a couple of times that his refusal caused Jackson to cry. Jackson probably felt he was being rejected, as a mentally healthy person might feel being rejected by a lover.

[King Rat]

This article in the Las Vegas Weekly, which says that MJ RETURNED most of the stuff, and he's done this type of thing before.
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2003/02_06/columns_tattle.html