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Susma Rio Sep
04-13-2003, 12:01 AM
This is Susma.

I had intended to post my query in the General Questions, but mistakenly placed it in the GD, thinking it was GQ.

Now, about self-effected departure, it has to be clean, because I wouldn't want people to be more inconvenienced than necessary in taking over the management of my earthly remains.

Hence, I said not to mention shooting oneself in the head.

I have gotten some very useful advice and instructions in these boards here on various topics, that's why I am putting my query on suicide here.

Maybe it can also belong to the GD board here, because it has to do with the acceptance or unacceptance of suicide.

The way I see it, death is unavoidable so far in the life history of every person; no one can debate that.


Now, consider how people so far have died:


With a lot of pain, ache, or discomfort,

With a lot of inconvenience to self and others,

With a lot of expenses to self and family and society,

With a lot of indignity and embarrassment;

Well, just attend to the last days of dying people, and you will know what I am talking about.


And that can and will happen to you and me and all of us, unless we have the good fortune of a sudden instantaneous death.

(Thatís why being people with foresight, we must always put our affairs in order . . . )


Dr. Kevorkian is advocating physician-assisted-suicide; I think he would be doing a much better job giving instructions on ways and means to self-effect departure: painlessly, quickly, cleanly, simply, and economically.

You see, we have the responsibility to manage our own departure, meaning to be in charge of the last process of life, the ending thereof.

The opposite is to leave it to the blind forces of nature and fellow human agents.

I canít see any sense in leaving this last process to the blind forces of nature and fellow human agents, unless we happen to be victims of sudden instantaneous death.

What is more in consonance with our being a sovereign agent of control over our own existence: that we also manage our inevitable departure or leave it to nature and other human agents?


Thanks to you guys who have given some suggestions on painless, quick, clean, simple, and economical ways and means of suicide.

But I would like to hear from really authoritative people who are versed in clinical details.

I would post my query again, this time in the General Questions board.

Maybe our master here, Cecil, might genuinely offer some very practical directives.

Susma Rio Sep

Susma Rio Sep
04-13-2003, 12:06 AM
This is Susma again:

I had wanted to post this piece as a reply/continuation of an earlier thread; but it would get in; I kept getting the notice that the thread is closed.

So I made it a new topic for a new thread.

Is this a topic verboten here?

Susma Rio Sep

Johnny L.A.
04-13-2003, 12:22 AM
SDMB will not offer any advice on how to kill yourself. Liability issues, doncha know. Moral issues as well.

A word to the wise: Repeatedly posting topics that have been closed will probably result in your being banned from the boards. You may want to contact a moderator using "report this post to a moderator" in the lower-right corner of a post to have it closed before they close it and decide to ban you.

Terrifel
04-13-2003, 12:42 AM
Well, I considered this very question in some detail a while back, and eventually came to the conlusion that there is in fact no method of suicide that is painless, quick, clean and--most importantly--infallible. If you care about people being inconvenienced, you have to factor in the possibility that an attempt might not succeed, and afterward you may not be in any condition to make a second attempt. If you wind up an invalid instead, you'd be causing the very inconvenience and expense you were trying to avoid in the first place. So in the final analysis, suicide (by whatever means) is not really a reliable solution.

If you're seriously depressed about life, why not start a thread in MPSIMS and vent a little? See if anyone has any wisdom to offer.

Susma Rio Sep
04-13-2003, 12:57 AM
No, I am not clinically depressed as to be in need of counselling.

But I think I am realistic about life and death.

Let us just then concentrate on the merits or demerits on rational considerations of self-effected departure, on purely academic basis -- to thus avoid any legal or moral liabilities.

O.K., let us hear from all you people who are against self-effected termination or departure.

No, no, we are not going to talk about how to do it.

Just to talk about the rationality and logic of self-effected departure, as in the past people talked about the abolition of slavery or the merits or demerits of abortion.

Susma Rio Sep

Gaudere
04-13-2003, 01:07 AM
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For posting a suicide thread right after I locked it, I'm sorry, but I don't want to see *any* more suicide threads from you, Susma Rio Sep. I'm not entirely sure you're just looking for abstract, non-personal reasons, here. If you feel depressed and want to kill yourself, please contact a suicide hotline, do NOT look for advice of the best way to kill yourself on these boards.

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