How many women would like larger breasts?

[liverTwist]

I'm really just curious -- I have dated quite a few women who wanted larger breasts. A couple of them merely mentioned it, but did nothing. My ex ended up getting implants (bad idea) and my current girlfriend is taking a product called Grobust - this seems to be working very well, with no side-effects at all.

How many women out there are happy/unhappy with their breasts?

(I'm not trying to be a sicko, just curious as this seems to be something of a trend)

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-Lord Thomas Dewar

[Hello Again]

I would like to declare forthrightly that I have b-size and I've never wanted more.


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All of the women in my family are cursed with large breasts. Trust me, I wish I had small ones and I've never understood women who have gotten implants. I have to carry around a lot more weight which causes my back to ache. Most bras don't support them - forget about the pretty Victoria's Secret lace things, I wear the equivalent of a life jacket. I appear heavier than I really am. I look stupid in button down and sleeveless shirts. A lot of boyfriends have admired them, of course, but then I wondered if they liked me for my breasts or what.

The worst thing about them is sometimes when I walk down the street and a man just gawks at them. I feel REALLY uncomfortable. Apparently some women like that sort of attention, but I squirm.

[liverTwist]

I should interject that I am not the person to suggest larger breasts to any of my girlfriends - current or ex. Also, most of the women I have talked to about this never have desired HUGE breasts, just a little more full than what they currently had (which was usually a B cup or so).

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-Lord Thomas Dewar

[jayron 32]

The exceptions of course not-withstanding, there is a perverse element of our societal hang-ups that causes many women to be unsatisfied with their physical appearance regardless of what that is. Many woman always wants larger or smaller breast; most a- and b- cuped women I known have wanted larger; nearly all D- and DD-'s that i have known have wanted smaller. Its the same with hair (curly haired women straigten their hair while straight haired women get a perm, etc. etc.) The message given to women is not that larger or smaller or curly or straight is better or worse; it's that whatever YOU'VE got is bad, the exact opposite is good. The fact is that there is an large variance in physical attributes in the world, and none is in-and-of-itself any more or less attractive vis-a-vis other attributes. It's all, as they say, in what you do with it that counts.

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"No amount of legislation can solve America's problems."
-- Jimmy Carter (1980)

[Lucky]

Bravo, Jayron 32!

Damned, you enlightened sorts get me all...well, you know.


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[Shirley Ujest]

As a breast owner I would never ever ever get an enlargement and have known several women who had their breasts reduced because of medical reasons.None of my big chested friends would ever wish their hooters on anyone because of the pain, humiliation and clothing restrictions. Anyone who gets implants must have a poor self image.

[Pooch]

I love breast in all sizes. That said, a friend of mine had a boob job because she possessed nothing but a pair of wonderful nipples. For her it was largely a clothes thing and somewhat a business decision. She's very happy with her new breasts.

Is buying clothes really a problem? Do flat-chested women really face discrimination?

[Pete]

I have a solution to the large-breasted women who feel that they look heavier. Wear tight shirts. If you wear loose shirts, the shirt will hang far away from the body, giving you the pregnant look. If you wear tight shirts, the bottom will hug your stomach, showing that you're not fat.

And ShirleyU, what are you talking about? I've never heard of anyone being humiliated for having big breasts. I've seen and heard many small-breasted women get laughed at, but never big-breasted ones. And what clothing restrictions? If anything, small-breasted women would feel bad about wearing anything that would show cleavage, or lack thereof, which accounts for a lot of dresses, gowns, tanks, shirts, bras, tops, and bathing suits.

[timmar68]

There was a commercial on TV advertising breast augmentation. The woman in it mentioned that she had it done and felt better about herself. My mom (who is big breasted) asked why in the world women would feel low because they have small breasts and I told her that it was because people make fun of them.
That's what I went through when I was younger...all my friends had a bigger chest than I did and they got attention. If anyone mentioned my chest (I was small chested then) they'd make a derogatory (sp?) remark.
Now my chest is bigger (dunno what happened...mother nature must have looked at me and said "Whoops! Forgot something!" and took care of that) and I don't go through that anymore.
So I can relate to wanting a bigger chest, only because of the fact that people made fun of me.


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Sometimes life is so great you just gotta muss up your hair and quack like a duck!

[Leslie]

And ShirleyU, what are you talking about? I've never heard of anyone being humiliated for having big breasts. I've seen and heard many small-breasted women get laughed at, but never big-breasted ones. And what clothing restrictions? If anything, small-breasted women would feel bad about wearing anything that would show cleavage, or lack thereof, which accounts for a lot of dresses, gowns, tanks, shirts, bras, tops, and bathing suits.

As a woman with big breasts (oh god, I hate to even type that. Cheese Head and all the other jerks are gonna send me email come-ons) I can tell you a bit about the humiliation. It started when I was in high school.

Pete, your suggestion about wearing tight t-shirts so we don't get the "maternity" look doing was good advice, you nailed the problem exactly. But what you didn't nail was the fact that having large breasts and wearing a tight t-shirt to go with it can easily get you classified as a "slut" or a "party girl". (Insert whatever tired old phrase you want for a girl who's looking to get laid.)

Now I have enough self-confidence to wear the fitted clothes and handle any comments that come my way. But when I was but a young girl, and grown men would comment on and even grab at my chest it was more than I knew how to handle.

Also, buying bras is a JOKE. Most of the best bras are B or C cups. There are a few more D's than there used to be. DD's are still scarce on the racks, and anything bigger than that you're in trouble. You have to find a specialty store. And yes, once you get up to that size, you're not wearing a sexy piece of lingerie, you're wearing a life preserver.

Finally, they hurt. The shoulder and back aches I get from carrying these things around is a bummer.

Whoa, this is coming out too whiny. I've actually come to terms with my breasts, and now I think they're great. It helps to have a husband who thinks big breasts are fabulous and never hesitates to tell me how wonderful they are. But it's not a constant thrill. I remember walking in to a Frederick's of Hollywood store and telling them I couldn't find bras that fit because I was so large chested. The woman both looked at me as though I were the world's biggest braggart and said in voices dripping with sarcasm "Oh, we feel SO sorry for you."

[TubaDiva]

I've never heard of anyone being humiliated for having big breasts. I've seen and heard many small-breasted women get laughed at, but never big-breasted ones. And what clothing restrictions? If anything, small-breasted women would feel bad about wearing anything that would show cleavage, or lack thereof, which accounts for a lot of dresses, gowns, tanks, shirts, bras, tops, and bathing suits.

Are you serious?

Truth is, whatever a woman's breast size, at some time in her life, some jerk of a man is gonna give her some grief over it.

Between the guys that hoot because a woman is modestly endowed and the men that leer or get grabby because a woman has big breasts, no female is left out of that big "get embarrassed and humiliated" barndance.

As far as small breasted women feeling "bad about wearing anything that shows cleavage," it tends to be exactly the opposite. Large breasts need serious support, and it's difficult to wear something low cut without showing that industrial strength bra at the same time. A small busted woman can wear anything -- and even go braless -- and she looks fine.

Plus, there's always some fool that equates cleavage with sluttiness.

Don't get me wrong - I love men, in all their infinite variety. Some of my best friends are men. I'd let my sister marry one, even!

your humble TubaDiva
Ever played "telephone?"

PS Mini rant here: Go looking in a lingerie shop some time; all the really pretty bras are in tiny sizes. Lots of choices, too, styles, colors. And tiny panties to match; it's only been in recent times that non-junior size women have been able to find nice underwear like their smaller sisters. Wanna know Victoria's Secret? They won't sell a bra bigger than 36D.

[Pete]

yeah, I get similar reactions when I complain to store clerks that I can't find underwear...and it sucks having to wear pants or really long shorts all the time.

sorry, it's late at night. When I get tired, I get silly.

[TubaDiva]

You don't just tuck it into your sock?

your humble TubaDiva
:)

[handy]

handy signs, anything more than a handful is a waste.


NOTE: When dating a woman, guys say her breasts are fine, then when split up, guys say they were too small.

[Enright3]

My wife is very big breasted too. And she's only 5 feet tall! Occasionally I'll walk up behind her (I'm 6'3") and lift her breasts up. She always lets out a great sigh of relief, and says she wishes I would follow her around all day like that! They are heavy! I've suggested a reduction, but for now she kind of likes them (I know I do!). She's also worried about the anchor scar, and general mutilation. Having them reduced is definitely not as invisible as having them reduced. You have a scar that runs from the bottom of your nipple to the bottom of your breast. Possibly even one around your nipple. Ick.

Enright3

[Big Iron]

Don't look now, ladies, but the latest fad/trend is ... vaginal cosmetic surgery.

[Sue Duhnym]

Not bigger...but perkier! :)

I had the same problem as kellibelli, went up to an 36H with pregnancy, currently down to an F(8 months post-partum). If they ever go back to a D, I'm getting a lift. If they don't get smaller, I'm getting a reduction with the lift.

BTW, my personal pet-peeve has always been my nipples (for you sticklers for detail, areolas...areolae?). They're big and I hate them. It must go back to when I was a shy 16 year old and a schoolmate asked, "Do you have cute, little nipples or those big, ugly ones?"

There's my wish list. Now I just need a talented plastic surgeon. ;)

(It really isn't all vanity. I would love to be able to go braless. I'd love to be able wear a bikini that doesn't have underwire. I'd love to be able to wear backless dresses. I'd love to wear strapless dresses, too. I'd like to not bounce down stairs. I'd like to buy a bra that I didn't have to special order. I'd like to take up jogging. I'd wear a tank top....okay, it is all vanity.)

[BunnyGirl]

Good lord! What could you possibly do? Episiotomy to bring back that "virginal" feel? Eeeewwwwww. People need to get a life.

[dougie_monty]

To Enright3: This is a surprise!! I like to create fictional characters; one is a woman named "Louise Brown" (no connection to the test-tube baby); she is 4'10" and her husband is 6'4"! I didn't know there were real people like that!
But if they sincerly love each other the other stuff doesn't matter. :) :)

[Leslie]

Hey there, my bosom buddies ;) :

For a place that makes really comfy bras, in all sorts of sizes (including H cup . . . that's what I was when I was pregnant, kellibelli . . . I feel your pain) click here (http://www.decntexposures.com).

The company is called Decent Exposures. The bras aren't delicate and pretty. But they're really comfortable and the company is owned by some very cool women.

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[Leslie]

Motherfu**ing typos!

Try this:

http://www.decentexposures.com

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"It's not burnt. It's Cajun!" - Christopher A. Evans

[TubaDiva]

Thanks, Leslie, nice stuff and the prices are pretty good for the quality offered, too. priced

I'm too broad around the back and too big in the hip to be a Vicky's Secret kind of girl, but for those of us built like scenic highways (we got lots of curves), this is more like it!

your humble TubaDiva
And there's lots of sights to see!

[Lumpy]

BTW, my personal pet-peeve has always been my nipples (for you sticklers for detail, areolas...areolae?). They're big and I hate them. It must go back to when I was a shy 16 year old and a schoolmate asked, "Do you have cute, little nipples or those big, ugly ones?"Your schoolmate was an asshole. I personally adore large areolae (how do you pronounce that?). As far as I can see, the only advantage of small nipples is being able to wear very small or narrow bikini tops. It goes back to what was said earlier about some body types being "in fashion".

[BoBettie]

My breasts are real, and I love them. Why waste time wishing for something different anyway? Life's too short!

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[Pete]

Here's an interesting twist on this theme:
I'm am male, 17-years-old, and I want bigger breasts!

No, I'm not kidding, and no, I don't want to develop plump funbags, but I do want my pectoral muscles to be better toned, and I want the inner part to be bigger and stronger. I am broad chested, but the muscle isn't chiseled. I admit, I'm just being a grouch with the "grass is greener" syndrome. I guess I'm not as mature (complacent?) as some of the chicks here (ShirleyU, Leslie, Melanie, BunnyGirl, and others) who are happy with what they have. But I just want you to know that many men don't like their breasts.

[AuraSeer]

I recall a news story about a stripper who had her already-large breasts enlarged further, then claimed the operation as a business expense on her tax return. The IRS considers cosmetic surgery as being primarily for personal benefit, even for entertainers, so of course they disallowed the deduction.

In response, the woman sued the IRS. She proved in court that her new breasts, weighing a total of ~20 lbs, were more a burden than a personal benefit. Plus she showed that her income increased substantially after the operation, because she could get higher billing and bigger tips. (Pun? What pun?)

The court ruled against the IRS.

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I'm not a warlock. I'm a witch with a Y chromosome.

[Sue Duhnym]

Having been a dancer in a former incarnation, I feel obliged to say that an inordinate amount of things are tax-deductible as a "business expense."

Being that one is usually considered an "independant contractor", things like tanning, manicures, health club memberships, etc. are all valid deductions. Therefore, it doesn't suprise me in the least that someone won the right to use plastic surgery as a tax deduction.

I feel that I need to add that most men never found breasts of that size to have anything more than a "freak show" type attraction though. Most men prefer them real....or so they said to me. Should I have believed them?

[Persephone]

My breasts are, from what I've come to understand, a pretty common size--38C. It's taken a while to get used to them, though. When I was in high school, all the girls had small chests & slim hips. I did not. I also did not like the attention that I got. But genetics were against me, so I learned to deal with them. They're not perky (I don't recall them ever being perky, to be honest), but they're not bad. I do have to wear serious underwire, though. Backless anything is OUT. Bikinis? ROFL!

My mom had reduction surgery, a little over 20 years ago, but she was an F cup, and had serious back trouble from carting those things around. She does not regret having the surgery at all. She says that not only did her back problems almost disappear, but she felt more "normal" (she was a teenager in the age of Twiggy, so I can understand that).

Just wanted to respond to Jayron: I don't have low self image - it was just an answer to the question. It's sort of like if you have a goiter on your neck - it would be cumbersome and annoying. There's something you could do about it (removal or reduction) but it's costly and excessive. Okay, so maybe a goiter's not the right example but you get the idea. Also, I think breast happiness has a lot to with the current trends. When small waif bodies were in style, large breasted women were hopelessly out of fashion - I remember holding a shirt labeled "Large" up to my chest and laughing.

Of course a lot of people hate what they've got and you're right in saying that one's got to work it, but IMO that's not really the issue here. The point I was trying to illustrate was that women seeking breast enlargement need to understand the responsibilities and trade offs that come with larger breasts (see my previous post (or Leslie's because it basically says the same thing)).

Pete - good suggestion that I practice. But sometimes the shirt rides up (gotta keep pulling it down, adjusting it) and it REALLY accentuates the breasts. Feel kind of slutty.

TubaDiva: AWESOME post, right on the money

[BunnyGirl]

Not me. 34A and completely content. Now, if you had asked me this in high school when I was getting called "Pirates Dream" etc etc, I probably would've taken you up on it but now, never. I don't have to wear something industrial-sized when I run or play softball, I can wear a bikini without worrying about if I'm going to fall out, and it's amazing what a nice underwire or demi-bra will do to provide a little "umph". Oh, plus all those tight little tank tops that everyone is wearing this summer? I don't have to wear a bra with them. Ah, freedom.

Hey Tuba, my sister-in-law is a DD and she's been able to find bras at Victorias Secret in the very recent past. I guess they just started stocking them but the saleslady will probably have to help you find them. Check 'em out again.

[kellibelli]

my personal humiliation started in jr. high..getting groped on the bus etc...boys's moms thinking I was sexual just because I was developed. I was a 36C in 8th grade.(god! what I wouldnt give to have that body at 30!)

anyway..in my family, pregnancy = breast increases.
after baby #2, I stand at not a,b,c,d,dd,ddd,e,f,or g but a charming H cup.Yes, they do come that big. I feel like a freak, but WTF, none of you know me, so no reason to be embarrassed. Buying a bra is a nightmare, IF I can find one that fits, my bigger boob--we all have one-- pops out the top of the cup.I have permanent dents in my shoulders from the straps.AND the best part is the hump I am develloping from carrying them around. My fantasy is breast reduction...I see myself with perky b/c size boobs, strolling braless wearing flattering clothes....to any man who thinks titties this big would be sexy, picture your nuts the size of bowling balls...and then picture driving a car, riding a bike, just walking is hard.
Now...before I am accused of whining...let me tell ya, all my exes LOVED them,(although I personally find them too big to be sexy)and there are certain things you can doo when they are big enough.:0

[BunnyGirl]

Hey Kelli, if you've got insurance, you may be able to get them to pay for a reduction. Check with your doctor. The longer you have them,the more likely you are to have back problems etc (which you already know!)

[CFQWEST]

TubaDiva:

Most Victoria's Secret catalogues contain a section called "Full Figure Luxuries" that contains items as large as 40DD. It's the same kind of lacy, satiny, seductive stuff as in the other sections.

[Frankie]

Just my opinion... Keeping in mind of course that i have never had breasts or been made fun of for them, so i don't know what its worth.
But, i actually prefer a nice firm b cup..thats my preference!

Size of a champagne glass huh??

[Sycorax]

34C and satisfied. Actually, because I'm a small woman (5'3"), I look very busty in certain clothes. I consider my breasts my best feature. As for self-image...well of course women worry about their breast size. and their weight, hair, wrinkles, etc., etc., because we get the message each and every day that it is looks that count - from the fashion industry, the women's magazines, TV ads, and most especially from MEN.

[Pete]

Sycorax? What a name to be using to post in this thread!


On a slightly more serious note, you must be kidding...34 C is quite big. Nice and plump and juicy, no matter what your height. (Okay, okay, not so big if you're over 6 feet)



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I don't know who first said "everyone's a critic," but I think it's a really stupid saying.

[heatherlee]

OH MY LARGER BREASTS?? I would most definitly fall over if I had anymore! large breasts are good to have when you dont have em but when you do sometimes you wish that they were just a wee bit smaller...even tho men seem to love em (not all but a few)I mean lets face it you cant exactly wear the cute little shits all the small breasted women wear....nor can you even jog unless you have em tied down with a friggin rope! I mean god forbid come home with a few black eyes......so I think people should leave themselves the way they are. your big great.your not great too. just be happy with yourself. and as for implants....personaly I think you kight get bigger boobs.....but the sagging is what i would be worried about!

[Sycorax]

Pete: And what, pray tell, is so ironic about my name in this thread? My namesake had boobs, didn't she?

[copycop]

I agree with kellibelli. Can you guys imagine your girlfriends or wives saying: "Honey, your balls are nice, but ya ever considered maybe getting implants? Don't worry about the discomfort. They'll be more fun to play with."

I swear, if y'all had to lug around boobs all day y'all would be whining within 10 minutes.

[Hazel]

What bugs me about having larger then average brests is that when I spill something, it never reaches my lap; it always lands on a boob. Seems to me a food spot way down below eye level on my lap would be MUCH less noticable. Also the napkin in lap might prevent there being any spot.

Also anoying: the difficulty in finding bras and shirts that fit, and settling for shirts that are too big everywhere else.

[Pete]

Sycorax! Sick-o-racks!

I don't know where you're from, but in the States, rack is a term for breasts.

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I don't know who first said "everyone's a critic," but I think it's a really stupid saying.

[Danny]

Listen guys, I am a part time professional photographer. If humans do not come in all different sizes and shapes, I will be out of a job. When transferring the 3D world into the 2D world, the challenge is to find angles, poses, backgrounds, etc. to form an artistic whole. I need EVERYONE in this thread the way they are!

[Drain Bead]

I mean lets face it you cant exactly wear the cute little shits all the small breasted women wear....

Boy, am I glad I'm a big-breasted woman...

[Stoid]

My size is fine...what I want is firmness and perkiness.

But I think that most fake breasts look creepy. Some foreign object under your skin...eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

I was wondering what you ladies (mostly) thought of the theory I put forth originally in the thread "Boob Geometry", namely that neither bust nor cup size alone was really a good indication of "large breasted" vs. "small breasted. A better measure is the ratio of cup size vs. bust
size.</P>

I've prepared a little chart below to show this. Bust measurement is down the left, cup size across. The numbers in the middle are the percentage larger that the bust measurement is to the rib cage underneath. Expressed mathematically the formula is:</P>

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(difference between bust &amp; rib cage underneath)/rib
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Furthermore, after considerable fiddling around with different schemes, I settled on 7 bands (since there are 7 cup sizes in most lingerie catalogs) that were roughly equal, with &quot;Average&quot; being the widest, and the extremes being the smallest. Note that this system debunks a lot of misconceptions about breast size. In this scheme, 48DD ain't nothing special, but 28C is.</P>


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[Pete]

Ladies, if you want firmer or perkier breasts, stop complaining and buying push-up bras and just go to the gym!

Go the the machine called "Flys" or "Pec Deck"

It's the one in which you position both arms as if making a right-hand turn signal out of your car. Then you pull inward so that your forearms meet.

Use a very light weight, and do a lot of repetitions. Do them slowly and go through the complete motion.

Do, say, 3 sets of 20 reps. This will NOT build muscle. Do this 3 times a week. Use the same amount of weight until it's too easy. Then take it up one notch. Don't worry--you won't build huge muscles! Your breasts won't shrink! It will just tone the pectoral muscles, which will hold the breasts firmly in place.

It also makes your nipples hard, which is EXTREMELY attractive, regardless of breast size.

[Frankie]

Jolt Sucker-
I didn't get that at all...I didn't get the legend.

[Leslie]

Sorry, Pete. I think you're confusing pecs with breasts. Doing those reps would make my pecs nice and firm. But it wouldn't do a thing for the bags of fat in front of them. (That's what breasts are, dearie.) The breasts are held up by Cooper's ligaments. Once they're stretched, they don't go back.

And firm pecs don't make a woman's nipple hard. Unless they're on the man she's looking at. :)

[Fretful Porpentine]

"My namesake had boobs, didn't she?"
-- Sycorax

Yes ... probably more than two of 'em.

[Pete]

Oh, I didn't know about Cooper's ligaments.

But I'm sure exercising the surrounding muscles will help.

And no, stronger pecs won't necessarily make your nipples hard, but the exercise itself will! That's what I meant.

So come to the gym, anyway. We need more women. I get sick looking at sweaty 40 year old men.

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I don't know who first said "everyone's a critic," but I think it's a really stupid saying.

[Catrandom]

Add me to the group for whom a napkin on the lap is an empty gesture.I'm an F-cup, but I have a job where I can dress casually; that makes a big difference. I never feel comfortable in anything tailored; I'm just not designed that way. And I do get sick of special ordering my underwear.

But when I was nine years old and a B-cup, *that* made my life interesting ...

Catrandom

[Pete]

How can there be so many enormous-breasted women among the teeming...hundreds?

I don't know how many posters there are. I'll guess a thousand, to be on the high side.

I've easily met a thousand people in my lifetime. And I've VERY easily SEEN a million different people. And yet I've NEVER seen ANYONE with anything bigger than DD. And DD I've only seen once or twice.

What's the deal here? Are huge-breasted women more inquisitive? Does Cecil attract the bigguns? Or is it really so hard to walk around carrying them that you're forced to stay home and become cyber junkies?

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I don't know who first said "everyone's a critic," but I think it's a really stupid saying.

[Suzeanne]

[[[Or is it really so hard to walk around carrying them that you're forced to stay home and become cyber junkies? ]]


As one of the large breasted, I'm voting for this option. It's really something that's hard to explain, since you think that your body would adjust to carrying a "natural" weight. Well, it does -- in part by causing things like stooped shoulders and strained muscles and in my case, contributing to an RSI and eventually surgery on my ELBOW because of years of having to type at an angle around my chest. Sounds funny, doesn't it? I'm not laughing at the scar.

Honestly, most people can't look at someone and be able to tell what their bra size is -- without asking. Guesstimates are usually off by at least a cup size, if not more when larger breasts are involved. A lot of this is because the world in general has no idea that bra sizes go that high. I still get people gaping at me when they ask and I tell them.

Clothing can also throw a guess off, since the drape of fabric off breasts and shoulders can hide how small a person's torso is, making them look larger and subsequently their breast size look smaller.

In addition, a minimum of 25% of all women are wearing the wrong bra size, either through poor fitting or a lack of knowledge on how to do it correctly. When you know how a bra is supposed to fit, it makes it much easier to find one -- and a lot easier to realize that you are larger than you first thought.

Of course, that still leaves me paying $75 or more for custom fitted bras to get a decent fit or support. The Decent Exposures bras look good ... but at my size, I'm still paying $45 for a bra that isn't going to do much more than keep them elevated without providing real support.

Suze - You knew I'd show up here eventually - anne

[typertrphy]

Stoidella (sp?), you strike to the heart of the issue. I'm just so damned in love with a lady who is 38 years old, two kids..and the body to prove it.
This is one man who not only has no use for "firm and perky", but finds it a sign of young girls. I'm 37, and have zero interest in younger women. I adore her body, C-section scar, big and yes, saggy boobs and all. It's love, and lust, friendship and trust. I wish to god that men would stop looking at the large brown circles, and start gazing into the smaller shiny ones about 14" higher up. Her eyes...good lord, her eyes...<sigh>
It's a travesty that women should even think twice about "perkiness". Damned Madison Avenue advertisers.
Having said that, this little diatribe in no way is mean to argue against the women out there who are large enough that it causes them A)Physical discomfort/injury, and/or B)Social discomfort. I have two friends who have had reduction surgery, one was an E, one was a DD. Both reported extreme spinal pains, and the usual irritating litany of social hassles.
They are feeling healthier, in their own minds and bodies. It ain't for everyone, but it apparently has saved their spines a lot of agony.

My .02 cents. The endless flow and variety of humanity is a gift, not a curse..... enjoy the gift.
Typer :)

[tracer]

kellibelli wrote:

after baby #2, I stand at not a,b,c,d,dd,ddd,e,f,or g

I thought DD was the same as E, and DDD was the same as F.



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I'm not flying fast, just orbiting low.

[AuraSeer]

The progression seems to depend on the bra manufacturer. Some go straight from D to E; some go from D to DD to E to EE; others just keep duplicating the D. The last seems most common in lines that stop at DDD or so.

(I had to learn this stuff while trying to buy a "surprise" for my GF. Never did find anything satisfactory, since the interesting stuff seems to only exist at C or lower.)

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I'm not a warlock. I'm a witch with a Y chromosome.

[BunnyGirl]

I adore her body, C-section scar, big and yes, saggy boobs and all. It's love, and lust, friendship and trust.
Typertrphy, you are a king among men! Your SO is very lucky to have a man like you.

[elbow]

Okay here's my story, I spent the first 40 years of my life as a stick person. Y'know the type, 5'2'' & less than 100 lbs. Not only did I not have breasts but there wasn't anything on my body that would jiggle no matter how I tried. At 40, I quit smoking which created a shift in my metabolism, and voila, 20 lbs, boobs and butt in one fell swoop. I know, most people are cheesed when they put on weight but I was delighted with my new body. I spent an inordinate amount of time jumping around the house naked just to see and feel things jiggle. Suddenly at forty I had to buy a bra (my first, unless you count that training bra that I had as a preteen). Well, didn't I feel suddenly quite womanly instead of like I was stuck in the body of a young boy. I was never one to really care about current fashion trends, never listened to all that praise I got for being a stick, and am delighted to know what it feels like to have parts instead of bits. When I was a stick I wasn't conscious of wanting to be anything else, and now that I've had these boobs for a couple of years, the blush is off the rose, I remember fondly the days when I didn't even own a bra! It's really all about wanting what you don't have, just like long hair vs short hair vs curly hair vs straight hair vs blond hair vs bleached hair, etc. etc.

[kellibelli]

I'll second that BG...he's a sweetie!

and for bra sizes...they do differ among brands-and countries too! I did a couple of years in a + size clothing and lingere store, and I can judge a cup size at a glance! :) (fun at parties)

someone asked how he failed to notice all the big boobs...well, most of us obscenely busty women dont dress like pamela anderson.
loose shirts, tight binding bras, never tucking anything into the waistband...dark colors, bad posture...all these things are a form of camoflage to avoid drawing stares and worse kinds of attention.
Make sense?

[Pete]

No, Kelli, it doesn't make sense. The whole point of this thread (at least as I see it) was to question why flat women want big breasts and buxom women want flat chests.

I see HOW big-breasted women could have concealed their goods, but WHY?

I think if we've learned one thing from this thread, it's that everyone is now in love with Typertrphy. But if we've learned 2 things, the other is that we should all be proud with what we have and shouldn't be afraid to show it.

[kellibelli]

let me try it this way:

lets say you have the world best penis, long, thick , perfect in every way.....
as an adult, women love your penis, every time you go to a bar, women stare at it, and try to touch it.(sometimes it is fun..) If you get stopped by a cop, they write the ticket while staring at your crotch.(kind of disconcerting) You go to meet the parents of the new girlfriend, and her mom stares at your lovely penis all the time you are there,(it makes you uncomfortable, but you pretend not to notice),or you go for a job interview, and the person interviewing you is either A)jealous that he doesnt have a penis like that,dislikes you and it slants the interview, or B), they are attracted to the penis, but they dont pay much attention to the rest of you.
As a child/teen.....
You are the first boy in your school to get groped and hollered at for the big penis, the little girls you like cant date you because their parents see the HUGE penis, and they assume you are a sex machine.
You dont really feel comfortable as a teen because older women stare and say inappropriate things to you all the time, BUT, over time, you learn that if you wear the proper underwear, and stand a certain way, people see you, not just your huge penis.....wouldnt you rather be a person, instead of just a penis, or a pair of tits?
I know it sounds like fun, but after a while, it stops being amusing, I am all for being yourself and all that, but why make a spectacle of yourself?

In the privacy of my home, I go braless, I wear tight shirts, and I even dress the pair up for a night of racy fun, BUT, in public, I want to be taken seriously, thats a real cahllenge when all they see is titty.

Bravo, Kelly!

[kellibelli]

(bowing)
Thank you.

[Sue Duhnym]

kelli, kelli, kelli...LOL

You did a fantastic job describing what we bigbreasted women go thru, but I don't think any man could imagine EVER disliking his penis being lavished with attention. I just don't think they have the capability. ;)

[pluto]

I have to add my thanks to kelli for her analogy. I thought I understood but now I have been enlightened. Great job!

p.s. What would happen if the man who invented the word "perky" were left alone in a dark alley with ten women with baseball bats?


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"non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem"

[Pete]

Good description, Kelli. I think I have a better understanding. However, I do have a big penis, and I like it when I'm in a bathing suit and it's well hung and people look at it. But I suppose if people were looking all the time, it would make me uncomfortable. I guess I'll never know, at least until tight pants on guys are in style.

[AuraSeer]

I once had a coworker get very angry with me because she thought I was staring at her breasts. It took me a minute to figure out why she was upset, because I didn't have my glasses on. As far as I was concerned, I was just staring off into space; she just happened to end up standing in the spot where my eyes were pointed.

That being said. I have been caught staring (unintentionally, of course) in the past.

My worst embarrassment was one summer when I was running an AD&D game, and one of the female players was wearing a bikini. The characters were fighting some creature that had just breathed fire; this type of attack is a breath weapon. I was, er, not paying attention to my rulebook, and I instructed the player to "roll a saving throw vs. breast weapon."

I've been mocked about that line for years.

[Sycorax]

Freful: Pete obviously doesn't know who we're talking about -- at first I thought he was bright. Pete - the name is pronounced
Si-co-rax (long I). I'm "from" America and yes familiar with the word "rack" - a repugnant male usage. I'm glad you're so well-endowed - gee how appropriate your name is for your latest posting!

[Frankie]

Kelli-
I know exactly what you mean. I've been hounded for my penis since 4th grade and still it won't stop. Well maybe not!

If I were a woman I would get reduced to a c cup at the biggest...No thanks to backaches, sore shoulders, stares and worse..

No Way Jose!

[Leslie]

Boy, you sure can tell the boys from the men on this thread!

[EnigmaOne]

{{{....but why make a spectacle of yourself?}}}---Kelli

Very true. That's why I keep it tucked in, and my fly zipped up.

;)

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--Kalél
Common ¢ for all ages...
The spin cycle on the washing machine does not make earth worms dizzy. It will however, make cats dizzy. Cats throw up twice their body weight when dizzy.

[Pete]

Sycorax, there's no reason to be glad for me. And there's no reason for sarcasm, either. Kelli's analogy was creative, but not fully effective, because of my response. And, Leslie, I don't enjoy attention simply because I'm a boy. Just as many of the big-breasted women on this post like their breasts, so do many big-peniled [is that a word?] men like their penises.

There is a difference between not being self-conscious about your breasts and exposing them. Some of you (and many women, and some men) have the impression that wearing tight shirts somehow denotes promiscuity. When I see a woman slouching and/or folding her arms akimbo as she walks, I see an unsure, ashamed woman scared to look into a guy's eyes. When I see a woman, big- or small-chested, walking with her head up, I don't think "what a slut!" or "huh huh, hey, Beavis, check those out! huh huh." I think to myself "there's a self-respecting woman who's going somewhere."
A sexy woman is not necessarily one with a nice body. And CERTAINLY not one who hides her body, nice or not so nice. I--we--don't want you to show us your breasts; we want you to look us in the eye and show us some confidence. Call me immature, Leslie, but I find confidence and self-respect attractive.

[NanoByte]

http://home.ici.net/~stacy/bras.wav

[Stella*Fantasia]

Despite what the images of women presented in popular culture have tried to make me believe, I LOVE MY BREASTS. They are just the right size (34B or C, depending on the time of the month) to be assertive without being aggressive. I can wear push-up bras & look sexy if I want, or I can wear no bra at all & not worry about straps showing. I can always find stuff in my size (though I can't wear those cool Angel see-through bras cuz I have big oversensitive Eastern-European nipples.)

So I don't have big pornstar boobs. So what? I love me just the way I am, & I have waaaay more important things to think about than whether or not I'm up to some arbitrary standard.

[NanoByte]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/09/01/ED62072.DTL

and search within the page for:

"THE BRA DILEMMA"

[Fretful Porpentine]

Ah well, Sycorax, let's not be too hard on Pete. [random mundane and pointless story] My mom used to have a co-worker who was a Washington Redskins fan. His e-mail address was something like live4skins@companyname.com. Well, being a complete sports ignoramus, I read this as "Live foreskins." Poor guy never did figure out why I kept avoiding him at the company picnic ... [/random mundane and pointless story]

For what it's worth, I'm a B-cup (I think -- don't wear bras at all if I can help it) and have NO desire to be any larger.

Fretful Porcupine: LOL, LOL...thanks for making my day with the "live foreskins" story!

kellibelli and others echo the complaints I heard from my ex-girlfriend who was larger than average. I am quite sympathetic, but I also agree with jayron 32 in that women seem to be overly critical of their bodies no matter what they look like. I don't think the "grass is greener on the other..." syndrome is entirely the fault of men, either. Yeah, Playboy makes it difficult, but so do all those fashion mags with the anorexic models. In the real world, men's tastes are as varied as the shapes out there. Just find the right match.

I like all breasts except the very extreme ends of the spectrum. I'm not too keen on implants for several reasons:
1. Health risks
2. Loss of nipple sensitivity
3. Esteem improvement can be less drastic and more lasting
4. Many boob jobs look horribly fake

Anyway, thanks for the mammaries, bosom buddies. I like staying abreast of the issues, but I think we've milked this one for all it is worth. With this off my chest, I think I'll nurse a nip.

[EnigmaOne]

{{{...I have big oversensitive Eastern-European nipples.}}}---Stella*Fantasia

Uh......Bummer?

I think not. :D


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--Kalél
Common ¢ for all ages...
"Well, there was that thing with the Cheese-Wiz....but I'm feeling much better now!" -- John Astin, Night Court

[typertrphy]

Kelli, Bravo ! I have not read in a few days, so had to read all of Page 2. I would say- althought it may catch me some flack- that being terribly large as a man is no less humiliating.
No...not me. Although I don't spend a lotta time at the Ole Urinals checking the fellahs out, I seem to be entirely average. My brother, on the other hand....
It's humiliating, and frustrating, apparently. He dated VERY little. Unlike the visible signs of large breasts ( as has been pointed out, one can dress to de-accentuate but so much), if one is very large in the penile arena, your soon-to-be paramour doesn't know until things have progressed to either the tactile stage, or the visual stage.
I absolutely do not envy him. He's huge, he married someone who apparently can handle it both physically and mentally, thank god. But...for all of the tongue-in-cheek ( rof, these puns are SO hard to resist here, sorry ) posts about men's sizes vs women's, I think it's apples and oranges. Find me ONE man who is MUCH longer and MUCH thicker than average who is happy with it.
Just my .02 cents, I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. :)

Typer

[NewtonsApple]

*BUMP*

Im in one of "those" moods..

(hiding devil horns)

[Padeye]

Originally posted by kellibelli:
Isomeone asked how he failed to notice all the big boobs...well, most of us obscenely busty women dont dress like pamela anderson.


Why on earth would you want to look like her? She's an orange swimsuit with hair. She's not even pretty. yeech.

IMO real men like real women and all that it implies. Real women come in an astonishing array of sizes and proportions as we've seen here in the teeming dozens control group. Real women have bodies and faces that change. Grownup women are not supposed to look like teenagers and I'm damn glad they don't.

I don't think anything expresses it as well as the scene in Shirley Valentine where Pauline Collins is shocked by Tom Conti kissing the stretch marks on her stomach.

And Kelli, I'm sure I'd never describe your proportions as obscene but that's just me.

[NewtonsApple]

I'd venture to say out loud that I dont want less than C's or bigger than D's to touch my hands. BUT when I married I thought ahead (using a aging metamorphosis on a picture of fiancee) to see what "they" would look like later.

I married 36B's. One year later I am now the husband of 38C's, firm, round, and well packed. No chance of those sagging to hell, or even giving back problems. She even got a butt last year too... :)

Im thinking about going back to the hotel and calling her..

-N

[NewtonsApple]

and yes they are REAL!! :P

-N

[handy]

Did anyone create a 'men who want a bigger penis' subject base?

[yosemite]

Good grief, Newton - it's so touching...you identify your wife by her bra size. ("I married 36Bs".)

And I am sure all the women out there who do not fall within your "boundaries" (no smaller than a C, no larger than a D) are breathing a collective sigh of relief that you would not deign to put your hands on breasts not of that size. I can only hope you are really, really kidding, because otherwise, I am just appalled.

[JoltSucker]

I just wanted to second what Padeye said (and counter the mostly-male attitude that guages attractiveness with rulers and cup sizes).

Most women are yummy, at least in some way. Most of them are sexy in some way. And of course, I want to have sex with most of them too! :)

Does this mean that I wouldn't jump at the chance to make love to a woman with a pretty face, buff body and magazine-perfect slightly larger than average breasts? Of course I would. But let's face it, women like that are mostly in magazines, where the photos are touched up in the first place. In other words, most of us guys are chasing a soft-porn fantasy (thanks a lot, Mr. Hefner).

In real life, "sexy" comes in a wide variety of packages. I've been turned on by flat-chested women with fantastic legs and a beautiful face, and by pear-shaped women with a beautiful face. I do draw the line at gross fatness, bad teeth, and really ugly faces, but that's my weakness, not hers.

Just give me a warm, sensuous, horny woman who wants to spend many hours of adventurous pleasure with me.

[NewtonsApple]

Yosemite-

Are you single or just bitter? Egad woman are you sure you dont want to spit my head back out now? I am happily married, and yes so is my wife. Your quibble with my life and my happines are what?!?!? oh yeah that was my opinion, much like your everywhere else right? Now shut up and leave me to it!

(muttering to self)

B#@$%H!

:)

[yosemite]

I don't think I have to say much more here...we have JoltSucker's nice post celebrating women in general, and then Newton's "I married a 36B". Anyone see the sharp contrast in attitudes here?

Yeah, yeah...it's all me. I'm just bitter. Must be. Because there's nothing wrong with your attitude, honey. Oh yeah, sure....(rolls eyes.) I hope you and the 36Bs (with the woman attached) are very happy.

[handy]

Men like women with big breasts rather than women with intelligence because men see better than they think.....

[Shirley Ujest]

The reason the penis has a hole in it is so that the brain can get oxygen.

[handy]

Thank you for that interesting bit of information Shirley.

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“I have gathered a posie of other men’s flowers, and nothing but the
thread that binds them is mine own.”

[NewtonsApple]

When did this become a NOW convention and leave the OP?

Hmm bitter marms?

-N