SDMB Football, Part II

[Munch]

Alrighty then. Another week, another mock draft. Who's interested? I think we should do two 10 team drafts. The 14 team draft was exhausting, the 8 team was too easy, and 12 will also probably run into the weekend.

So, put your name down, and let me know if you're available for the second draft in case we don't fill it. Any and all are welcome to join us. We've been doing this the last two weeks, and it's been a lot of fun, as well as highly educational for those of us who are going to be playing fantasy football this fall.

Also, make sure you change your passwords back please.

10 team draft

Roster choices
A. QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, K, DEF
B. QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR/RB, K, DEF
C. QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR/RB, TE, K, DEF

The "Preferred draft position?" is if you really want to try out a specific spot in the draft, like 2nd, or 8th, or whatever. First come, first serve.


Name draft position Available for 2nd draft? Roster
1. Munch none yes C
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My only advice goes out to those with a favorite home team out there. I suggest that you don't pick your favorite players at all, so that you can see where they go in a typical draft. This is an excellent tool to see where people fall, and you can't see that if you pick your favorite player super early.

Also, there's an "Average Draft Pick" link on all the draft pages that shows you a composite of all the drafts done in the last several months on the site, so that you can get a very accurate picture of who you should be looking at at a particular moment. It's certainly not the bible of fantasy picks, but it's an incredibly accurate and useful tool.

Happy mocking!

[mrchan]

i'm in. dont care about draft position. can do 2nd draft. roster C.

[mouthbreather]

In.
I can do the 2nd draft but would rather not.
Roster C
I'd like the 5th spot.

[White Lightning]

Name draft pos. 2nd draft? Roster
1. Munch any yes C
2. mrchan any yes C
3. mb 5 maybe C
4. WL3 any maybe C
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[waddamaroon]

Re: SDMB Football, Part II

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5. maroon any hell yeah C
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[waddamaroon]

Well, I made a mess of that.

My password and Toes password have been returned to original.

That average draft position was interesting. Apparently, a lot of folks think Priest Holmes will be good as new for the coming season.

[Munch]

wadda, keep in mind that computer control has priest at the top spot as well, so there's a small sampling of drafts that had the top pick go CC. Also, I think a lot of people pick Priest at #1 with the disclaimer "if he's healthy".

Well folks, we're halfway there. Just need 5 more to sign up. Any and all are welcome.

[ShibbOleth]

I'll jump in again.

Shibb, any draft position, C.

[ShibbOleth]

Also, I should mention that I'm leaving Friday afternoon for ChiDope, so I'll have to go on autopilot or something if it runs into that.

[waddamaroon]

Munch: "If he's healthy" is my mantra.

How much do you think Holmes being #1 overall actually skews the ADP when it comes to CC selections? I would assume that at #1, a drafter isn't very likely to allow his pick to go to CC.

[Munch]

You'd be suprised how many people request the #1 draft position and don't even predraft the person they're drafting! As for timing out at the #1, I've seen it happen. Oftentimes, it's someone who is the first to sign up for a particular draft, and it doesn't get going for a week or so. By then, they've forgotten about it, and it's off their radar. Pisses me off to no end.

Just 4 more spots available!

[mouthbreather]

This is going over like a fart in church.

[mrchan]

where'd everyone go? 14 for last draft and we cant get 10 for this one?

[White Lightning]

2 players in the last one were on computer control for the whole thing.

[waddamaroon]

And a few of them are probably under the porch, licking the wounds inflicted by the sociopaths at AntSports.

[Hamlet]

I want to jump in, but I have two concerns:

1) I've been really busy and I don't want to piss anyone off by having to miss a few important picks.

2) I really like all you guys and I don't want to send you all into fits of crying, complete with the rending of garments and wearing of sackcloth, when you get to see first hand, the fantasy football genius that is Hamlet. After lulling you into a false sense of security last year, I don't want to embarrass you in a mock draft.

If either of those don't bother anyone else, count me in.

[Munch]

Okay, we only need three more. And it looks like we'll have to do this next week, for obvious reasons (mouthbreather's church farting notwithstanding).

Where's NurseCarmen and jk1245?

[White Lightning]

Name draft pos. 2nd draft? Roster
1. Munch any yes C
2. mrchan any yes C
3. mb 5 maybe C
4. WL3 any maybe C
5. maroon any yes C
6. Shibb any - C
7. Hamlet any - -
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maroon, what about Camel Toes? Is he up for another go?

[BabaBooey]

I'm up for it, but I have only done live fantasy drafts before, so no clue how this will work. I'm only more confused by the password comment. But if you need me, count me in at any, maybe, and C.

[mrchan]

nice. 2 more and we're good.

[neuroman]

Originally posted by White Lightning
2 players in the last one were on computer control for the whole thing.
Hey, I drafted my first four picks! (Holmes, T. Barber, P. Price, D. Mason.) :p

I decided though that I'm sated on mock drafts for now, I'll probably wait at least a month before I do anything again.

[Munch]

Originally posted by BabaBooey
I'm only more confused by the password comment.

No worries about the password comment, it was directed to everyone from the last draft.

Antsports has a relatively easy set-up, once you do a little exploring. What'll happen is that I will reserve an entire draft with 10 of my usernames ("Munch1" through "Munch10"). Each username is assigned a password corresponding to whatever number of Munch you are. The passwords are "cecil1" through "cecil10".

You can change your password at the draft site, in case you don't want anyone peeking at your predrafts. The comment was to remind people to change their password back to the "cecil" password.

[waddamaroon]

Originally posted by White Lightning:
maroon, what about Camel Toes? Is he up for another go?

I'll call him. Uh, no back-to-back picks for him. I'm as tired as you are of him making a pick, then waiting 12 hours until the computer makes his next pick.

[waddamaroon]

Camel Toes is in.

One to go!

[waddamaroon]

Munch: Camel Toes wants to know if you can set up a draft with 3 football fanatics and 7 complete morons, to more closely approximate the conditions in the league he and I play in?;)

[Munch]

Well, we've got you and Camel Toes, so let's see if we can scrounge up five more idiots...

Hey!

[waddamaroon]

Har!

Who's going to play the part of the fanatics?

[waddamaroon]

At one draft I attended, one of the guys showed up with a copy of "Beckett's Football Card Magazine". At another draft, one of the players was drafting out of the sports section of the local newspaper. The best one was the guy who showed up at the draft and said "Does anyone have a magazine I could borrow?"
He took Jeff Hostetler with the third overall pick of the draft.

[mouthbreather]

I always print bogus ranking sheets to take with me to the draft just in case you ever run into anyone in the "Hey, can I look at what you have?" crowd.

[BabaBooey]

I'm lost on the antsports thing. Went there and couldn't find exactly where I had to sign up for this league. Am I too late or can I get a bit of help?

[mrchan]

draft hasnt started yet. munch will probably sign up for an entire draft and fill up all the slots and tell you which team you are / and password (if you want in) when the draft starts.

[Hamlet]

Hey, mouthbreather, can I take a look at your rankings?

[mouthbreather]

Sure!

I will only go 5 deep, let me know if you need any more.

QBs:
1. Cade McNown
2. Anthony Wright
3. Rick Mirer
4. Zak Kustok
5. Eddie Eviston

RBs
1. Terrell Davis
2. Rod Smart
3. Willis McGahee (make sure you only take him THIS YEAR. he will be worthless after that.)
4. Travis Jervey
5. Nick Goings


WRs:
1. Ken-Yon Rambo
2. Troy Edwards
3. Snoop Minnis
4. Dimitrius Breedlove
5. Isaac Byrd

That's enough for now. I can't give away all my secrets.

[mrchan]

so, this ever going to start?

[Munch]

Sorry folks!

I was just on Antsports today, and they just added a great new feature - private drafts! You can reserve an entire draft, give out a password, and have people sign up on their own time. Also, we can set the time limits to whatever we want. Let's discuss this week, and do this next week, m'kay?

[NurseCarmen]

I've been a bit busy, I'll hop into the next one (I See I missed one! Where the hell was I?!?!?)

[ShibbOleth]

I am terribly busy, but hope that next week will be much better. And thanks to whoever bumped this, I was getting nervous I might have missed this and all the cool kids would be laughing at my face (instead of behind my back as is usual).

[Omniscient]

I'm in, I looked at the first thread on this and wasn't up to sifting through the mess that is that website, but I suppose I could manage it for this, at least to give it a try.

I'll do the first draft, and if I enjoy myself I'm sure I'll do the second. I'll pick anywhere, and I think I'd like option C for the rosters.

[mrchan]

does this mean we have enough people?

[Wilson]

If you need another, Munch, I'd be willing to give it a try. Any position, option C is fine. This coming weekend is bad for me - otherwise I'm pretty much always available.

I haven't thought about football in months.... this should be interesting. Emmitt Smith is still with the Cowboys, right? :)

[Munch]

That's right, Wilson. And he's the projected #1 fantasy scorer for the eighth year in a row.

Yup, we've got enough. Let's make this happen on Monday. Of course, if anyone wants to do one right now, there's nothing stopping you now that the private draft function is available, you can start your own.

But it won't be nearly as much fun without me kicking your ass!

[mrchan]

monday sounds good.

[ShibbOleth]

What time do we start on Monday?

[Munch]

I'll open the draft when I get to work, and you'll have to sign up on your own. It'll start when it fills up.

[mouthbreather]

Just a warning, I am out of town starting tomorrow until late monday afternoon, no computer access.. You guys can make my first couple picks for me if I am holding things up.

[ShibbOleth]

I think that one of us should sign up mouthbreather's spot, but he should be back in time to make (most of) his own picks. Except for "He Hate Me" in the first round.

[mrchan]

we're not starting till monday anyway right? just give mouthbreather one of the later picks if he doesnt mind.

[mouthbreather]

I initially wanted spot #5, but I don't care at all if you want to give me the last pick.

I land back in Alanta around 4.30 monday afternoon, so assuming no delays or traffic jams (well, more than usual in this fookin city) I should be able to be back on for a pick ~ 6.30 or 7pm

[Munch]

The thing is though, that you can't assign picks with the private drafts. You can't sign other people up, either. I suppose we can use one of my alternate accounts, which is no problem. mouth, if you want to send me your top ten predrafts, I'll enter them in, so we can get into the second round by monday night.

[White Lightning]

If we start Monday day there will be ample time for mb to make his pick. Set an 8 or 10 hour limit and just let the clock run; unless he gets one of the top 3 or 4 picks it may not even get to him by the time he's ready to go.

[mouthbreather]

well, in either case, I've emailed Munch my top 10.

[Munch]

The package has been received. Repeat, the package has been received.

Mouthbreather, you really weren't kidding when you said you wanted "He Hate Me" were you? But I think what is most suprising is your second choice of Brian Boitano. Better hope you're not behind WL in the draft.

[mouthbreather]

DUDE.

Quit giving my secrets away.

[Omniscient]

Hey guys, not to rock the boat much but I'll be offline from 5PM Monday until 5AM Tuesday (and more than likely until 1PM after that) due to work. The 8 hour draft times would probably end up being enough unless my pick falls right at the start of my shift. I'm not sure how flexible things are, and how fast this first day's picks will go. What do you experinced folks think?

[mrchan]

my #1 draft pick is woddy dantzler, college QB, rookie RB and now a safety.

[Omniscient]

Bump.

So whats the story here? Munch, did you ever set up that private draft or what?

My email in my profile works, so shoot me a message. Rumor was that it was supposed to start tomorrow sometime, but since there hasn't been any activity here over the last 3 days or so, I'm not sure what to expect. I'd like toget in if things are still up in the air. If it gets pushed back to Tuesday all the better for me, but I'd still like to play if not.

[mrchan]

yeah. lets go.

[ShibbOleth]

Hey Munchie, let's do make sure we know how and where to sign on for this puppie before the picks start.

[Hamlet]

I'll probably be able to do a draft this week, but I may have to email Munch-chi-chi my picks later in the week. Let's get this party started.

[Omniscient]

Can we get some links and all that good stuff?

[mouthbreather]

Looks like I didn't miss anything.

I be rhettago when this thing unfolds.

[mrchan]

so we gonna go?

[Omniscient]

cue the sound of deafening silence

[ShibbOleth]

Man, Omni, you just getting home?

[Hamlet]

*crickets chirping*

[ShibbOleth]

*tumbleweeds blow through, crush the cricket, and roll on*

[Omniscient]

Thats a big 10-4, good buddy.

[ShibbOleth]

Dude, you need to get a new job. When do you sleep?

[mouthbreather]

Munch hasn't posted in 5 days now, hope everything's OK with him.

[Munch]

Son of a bitch. I posted the links and everything literally 2 minutes before the board crashed on Monday. Guess it didn't take. Anyway, here's the info:

The league url:
http://www.antsports.com/as/AS933/

Sign-ups:
http://www.antsports.com/private_drafts/create_private_draft.asp

League name:
SDMB League

password:
cecil (I think...)

mouthbreather, you're signed up under my Munch14 account, so the password is "cecil14". If not, it's "cecil10".

Everyone: Anyone can sign up. There's 10 spots. You'll need your own account. If you don't have your own account (they're free), feel free to use one of mine. The names are "Munch1" through "Munch14", passwords are "cecil1" through "cecil14".

Those who are about to mock salute you.

Game on.

[mouthbreather]

hmm, I was out on monday, I didn't know anything about a board crash. Sorry for the false-quasi panic.

[ShibbOleth]

Ok, I'm a bit of an idjit. How do I get logged on AND then find the mockdraft so that I can join in it? I've created my own username, ShibbOleth (very original).

[Munch]

What, you can't find the sign-up sheet because I posted the wrong url?!?

What I meant was:

http://www.antsports.com/private_drafts/

Lemme know how it goes.

[ShibbOleth]

I'm in, and so is Waddamaroon.

[mrchan]

im in.

[waddamaroon]

Yes I am.

In.

And a maroon. When I go to franchise set-up, any password choice I use gives me a message that my password has been dis-abled. Whazzzzzup?

[waddamaroon]

Uh...nevermind.

I hate computers

[White Lightning]

In.

[White Lightning]

And predrafted.

[Munch]

Originally posted by White Lightning
And predrafted.

I say this in a totally platonic way, WL.

I love you, man.

[ShibbOleth]

So, any idea on when we're going to get this puppy off the ground. I ask because I'm supposed to meet a friend (who is in fact a co-owner of my cash fantasy team) to go for greasy food, beer and Matrix 2 in about an hour. Don't want to miss the excitement. Maybe I'll even predraft my first round or two if you think we'll start today.

[Omniscient]

I'm in, whats the time line. The holiday weekend is appraoching, so it probably needs to get done before or after it.

[Munch]

Once it fills, it'll start. Just a matter of gettin' everyone's attention. Who's left? NurseCarmen, Hamlet, and a player to be named later?

[mouthbreather]

C'mon folks! Let's get this this going.

[Munch]

*bump*

Anyone?

[ShibbOleth]

I think we need to email some folks and wrassle 'em in here. Patience is overrated.

[Munch]

E-mails sent. mouthbreather, are you Camel Toe's handler this week?

[Wilson]

OK, I'm signed up. Somebody give me some advice on this pre-drafting thing? How is that supposed to work?

[mouthbreather]

Not Camel toes... I can see if we want to get Stitch (my coworker)back in this one.

[mouthbreather]

Wilson, it just depends on how closely you will follow. If you're willing to keep an eye out and check several times a day then predrafting is not neccesary.

If you want to predraft, you can go in and make enough predraft selections to get you to your next pick -- ex, if you have pick ten and we are on pick 4, if you predraft 6 people you are guaranteed (wosrt case scenario) to get the last person you predrafted. It will just make a pick for you, taking the highest rated availalble player that is left. If you figured out how to sign up, the predrafting should be easy. Let me know if it doesn't make sense.

[waddamaroon]

I can get Camel Toes in, but I'd rather see a doper play. BabaBooey, Hamlet, NurseCarmen, anybody?

[BabaBooey]

This thing is seriously pissing me off. I can't get logged in AND to the league's page. It always says that I'm in as a guest on the team page...

[waddamaroon]

BabaBooey: Are you using this link to register?

http://www.antsports.com/private_drafts/

[BabaBooey]

Nevermind, saw your new link, got it.

[Wilson]

Thanks for the explanation, mouthbreather. So if you predraft players for a round, that does not give you a chance to pick "live"?

[waddamaroon]

Wilson: Only if you blow out your pre-draft before it is your turn. I use pre-draft if I think I might be out of pocket when my turn comes.

[BabaBooey]

One more Q. I'm still unclear as to whether or not this going to be a live thing. If I predraft a bunch of players, will I still be able to watch the draft and make choices on the fly?

[BabaBooey]

OK, I'm not retarded or anything, I just keep posting just as my question is answered by someone else.

[mrchan]

one more and we can start!

[White Lightning]

One more spot open. Is anyone emailing anyone or are we all just talking about it?

[Munch]

Houston, we're a go.

Hamlet, your password is "cecil5". I'll run it while he's away, etc.

mouthbreather, you're up. I have your Top 10, so we can plug that in, in case you haven't been able to log in.

[mouthbreather]

RICKY WILLIAMS? With the THIRD PICK? What kind of crap is this? What happened to HE HATE ME?

[ShibbOleth]

Oh crap, I just predrafted so that I'm ready when WL wakes up, and I didn't even realize that Rod Jones was still available.

[ShibbOleth]

Originally posted by BabaBooey
One more Q. I'm still unclear as to whether or not this going to be a live thing. If I predraft a bunch of players, will I still be able to watch the draft and make choices on the fly?

I'm not saying that you're not smart enough to figure this out yourself, BabaBooey, but be aware that you have to predraft round by round. That is, if you pick a bunch of guys and preorder them, they don't "carry over" into the next round if they're still available. You have to select them again. Not sure if there is any facility to make it easier.

[Munch]

You can predraft all 16 rounds, if you like. But there's a max of (I think) 18 players per round. You can also cancel your predrafts round by round, if you feel you NEED to pick up Steve DeBerg in the 11th, but failed (for some reason) to predraft him earlier.

[Wilson]

I don't know about BabaBooey's intelligence, ShibbOleth but I certainly appreciate that tidbit.

[Munch]

Oh, and what happened to WL's grandiose claims of "predrafting" and "sending Munch piles of cash"?

[ShibbOleth]

I guess he only predrafted the six players that were taken in front of him. I can't really argue with any of those picks, and have a strong inclination regards WL's picks, but I hope my guy falls to me.

[mrchan]

WL is a dirty liar! where is the predraft man!!!! first round u can predraft 10 ppl easy.

[ShibbOleth]

Oh, mrchan, I haven't been following the NBA playoffs, but thought that you might be able to update me on the progress of your beloved Kings.

[White Lightning]

Poop on you guys.

I'll be done in a sec.

[White Lightning]

Welcome Shibb.

[White Lightning]

Okay, there's 2 picks before me. I have 3 guys predrafted; 2 that I want and 1 that I don't. Don't make me sad, guys.

[BabaBooey]

I assure you that I'm not intelligent enough to figure this thing out. I wish everyone did the draft thing like Yahoo did. At least this one's better than the god awful NFL.com setup.

[mrchan]

shibb - haha, hoho. stupid webber getting injured. oh well, we'll get it next year (starting to sound like a broken record)

[mrchan]

willie green in the 2nd round? lordy

[mouthbreather]

Yeah, Shibb....I'm a big fan of Green this year but taking him above some of the talent still available is quite a reach.

[ShibbOleth]

My Ohio-centric office mate talked me into picking Green. But he later said that he plays in a keeper league, so they have an entirely different selection criterium. And he appreciated your laughter.

[mouthbreather]

In a keeper league, it's not a bad call at all.

[ShibbOleth]

Omni, Dave just NMR'ed you in Bobble. Send him a note or he's going to replace you there.

[waddamaroon]

2.04 Shibb's Dribbs W. Green RB CLE What do you think of this?

If he didn't lose points to Jamel "Track Meet" White, it would be a great selection. Still not bad, though. He's gonna make a lot of points now that he'll play all 16 games.
I was hoping he'd make it to the bottom of round 2.

[BabaBooey]

Still wouldn't put him ahead of a pretty sure thing in Stephen Davis, or two of the top three WR's. I defnitely wouldn't call it a bad pick, though.

[BabaBooey]

And I wonder if omnipotent knows that he's on the clock...
;)

[waddamaroon]

Yes on the wideouts, no on Davis. I think he's gonna take a beating in Carolina. But that's just my opinion.

[White Lightning]

How funny. I thought I was picking McNabb but I actually picked Culpepper.

[Wilson]

Michael Bennett - that's just a shot in the dark.

[Munch]

Well, that's nearly a wash between the two. Don't sweat it.

Where's Omni?

[Wilson]

Hmmm... Charlie Garner. Should I have picked Jamal Lewis or Antowain Smith instead? Or Hearst?

[waddamaroon]

I think Matt Snell would have been good there.

[Munch]

Not Antowain Smith, Wilson. I think he's done. NE will give the ball to Kevin Faulk before he's their regular starter. Expect Runningback By Committee this year.

Garner's a good pick. He's constantly underrated, but he just puts up too many numbers. If you're in a league where receptions garner (ha!) points, he's a Top Ten player.

[mrchan]

WL - no WONDER you picked culpepper over mcnabb. i was wondering whats going thru your mind.

[mouthbreather]

Whose team is "Third Ward Souljas?"

[waddamaroon]

BabaBooey

[White Lightning]

Originally posted by mrchan
WL - no WONDER you picked culpepper over mcnabb. i was wondering whats going thru your mind.I wonder that too.

[Omniscient]

You goddamn morning people are the scourge of me!!!!

[waddamaroon]

Munch: Penn State or Alabama? WTF??

[mouthbreather]

Getting Jamal Lewis at pick # 36 is the steal of the draft. He represents good value at spots #15-18. 2 more and he would have been mine! :mad: :)

[BabaBooey]

I'm liking my WR's considering where I'm drafting them, but that Ahman Green pick is making me uncomfortable in the pants...

[The Witch]

I'm uncomfortable in the pants too, but I doubt it's for the same reason....

Sorry I'm late. Although James is a bit iffy, I kinda like the draft Munch has done for me so far. I've predrafted a few rounds, because I'll be sans-computer this weekend.

[Hamlet]

Well shit, that was me.

::shaking fist::

Damn you Microsoft Explorer!! Damn you to hell.

[Wilson]

I rush home from work and we're still waiting on Munch? That's it, I'm gonna try and figure out his password and make him draft Josh Booty.

[ShibbOleth]

Hamlet, you have a well maintained sock puppet called The Witch?

[ShibbOleth]

Originally posted by Munch

The league url:
http://www.antsports.com/as/AS933/


Just to get it back to the current page... I don't have it bookmarked on all my computers.

[ShibbOleth]

Heh-heh. The computer selected Antowain Smith for Mr. Munch. I wonder if this means our fearless leader is on autopilot for the remainder of the draft?

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by ShibbOleth
Hamlet, you have a well maintained sock puppet called The Witch? I water her twice a day, add fertilizer in the spring, and keep her mowed and trimmed. That and I'm really in touch with my feminine side.

Or, it could be wife. But I like the well-maintained idea anyway.

[Munch]

Son of a bitch.

Couldn't figure out "adams", Wilson? :)

Damnit, damnit, damnit. Of all the people! Antowain Smith!

[ShibbOleth]

Ha HA!
[/Nelson]

[Munch]

Easy, Shibb. I have the commissioner password, and I can make Rick Mirer happen to you.

[Hamlet]

Rick Mirer happened to me back in the early days of fantasy football. Please, for the love of all that is holy, don't even joke about doing that to another human being. It's just too cruel.

[ShibbOleth]

I might have to do some hacking then to Cade McNown you in return. Or maybe a nice little Randy Fasani.

[Munch]

Truce?

[mouthbreather]

http://www.antsports.com/as/AS933/ Just to have this on page four.


BabaBooey is up for his second pick now.

[Omniscient]

Did he fall asleep in between those back to back picks?

[mouthbreather]

He predrafted for only one of them.

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Omniscient
Did he fall asleep in between those back to back picks? Narcofantaslepsy. It's a horrible disease that plagues thousands of people. Please send any donations to help fight this horrible disease directly to me. Thank you.

[mouthbreather]

I just emailed Bababooey.

[BabaBooey]

Sorry fellas, I got became quite intoxicated last night.

[mouthbreather]

And as I was doing that, it was my turn. Now we're moving.

Waddamaroon is up for his 2nd pick.

[BabaBooey]

And after reading my last sentence, I believe I still am.

[mouthbreather]

sorry, BabaBooey, you must have missed the memo. Mixing Fantasy Football and alcohol is STRICTLY OFF LIMITS. ;)

[waddamaroon]

<a href="http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=160729&perpage=50&highlight=football&pagenumber=4">Say what?</a>

[Omniscient]

Repaired link:

Originally posted by waddamaroon
Say What? (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=160729&perpage=50&highlight=football&pagenumber=4)

So, I was considering taking Shockey in the same spot I took Gonzalez, insanity, what do you all think?

[waddamaroon]

Thanks Omni. My dog ate that page of the instructions.

[mouthbreather]

Originally posted by waddamaroon
<a href="http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=160729&perpage=50&highlight=football&pagenumber=4">Say what?</a>


I was actually lying in that thread, I just wanted you guys to think I was cool.


::makes sure to check off "show sig" checkbox::

[ShibbOleth]

Where's mrchan? My predrafted picks are starting to fall like flies... I want to see who I end up with.

[Omniscient]

Hmm, mrchan's predrafted his entire draft up to this point, lets hope he knows he's on the clock.

[Munch]

Omni, I think that Shockey needs to go before Gonzo does. He completely outperformed him last year, and there's nothing to say that he won't again this year. However, I think 3rd round, ESPECIALLY in a 10 team league is way too early.

But I think with Shockey, you can make all sorts of mistakes and not have to worry about it. You can now go early on the top defenses, push for a solid backup QB and take risks.

I'd also like to point out that I would have taken Shockey instead of Antowain "Oh my ovaries" Smith, and I would have smashed all of you.

[Hamlet]

How are your ovaries, Munch?

[mouthbreather]

Originally posted by Munch
Omni, I think that Shockey needs to go before Gonzo does. He completely outperformed him last year, and there's nothing to say that he won't again this year.

I don't know what kind of scoring you're referring to, but he sure didn't in my league. For all his hype, people seem to forget that Shockey finished the year with exactly 2 TDs.

Gonzo avg'd 7.44 PPG
Shockey avg'd 7.00 PPG

And that's even taking into consderation the game shockey missed. Gonzo outscored him by 14 points for the whole year.


Don't get me wrong, I think Shock is in the top 3 TEs this year, but I am far from sold on him as the #1 TE.

[Hamlet]

You know, I've never done a 10 team draft. Maybe that's why I'm surprised at some of the talent that is still out there in these later rounds. With only 10 teams, I imagine the waiver wire becomes more important than the draft itself.

Most of the guys I have my eye on will probably still be around later, maybe because they're so well hidden (but more likely because I like the losers that nobody else does.)

I'll be predrafting most of the way, because I'm away from a puter this weekend. I'll see you Tuesday. Good Luck all, and enjoy the weekend.

[Omniscient]

Munch, you realize I took him in the 5th round, right?

[Hamlet]

This predrafting in advance is hard. I won't know what spots I'll have to fill. Here's hoping I don't end up with 4 qbs and 1 rb

[Omniscient]

You know, I think we oughta NMR him......

[mouthbreather]

NMR = ?

[Omniscient]

Inside Diplomacy joke, not to be concerned.

[White Lightning]

I called mrchan and he told me who to get. Down to Wilson now.

[mouthbreather]

hijacking,

WL, what happened to your weekly baseball rankings? I liked them.

[Omniscient]

Hamlet, you're actually excited about picking Keyshawn? Wow, thats a new one.

[Wilson]

Originally posted by White Lightning
I called mrchan and he told me who to get. Down to Wilson now.
Eh wha hah? Stop poking me, I'm awake.

I took Shockey in the fifth round - but I would have taken Gonzalez ahead of him had he been available. Gonzo had one "bad" year and still was near the top of the TE pack.
Looking at the average draft positions for ten team leagues, Gonzalez is at 4.09 and Shockey at 5.02, so I guess getting Shockey at the end of the fifth isn't so much of a reach.

So anyway - what is people's read on the SF running back position? Is Barlow really going to jump ahead of Hearst?

[Wilson]

Whoops - read that wrong. The average draft ratings has Shockey going above Gonzalez. Interesting....

[ShibbOleth]

By the way, I'm back from my boy's soccer practice and drive through Sonic. So my pick is in, without too much premeditation to be sure.

And I'm also not sold on Shockey. Plus he seems to be a bit of a jackass. I think my Bubba outscored the hell out of him last year.

[mouthbreather]

Originally posted by Wilson
So anyway - what is people's read on the SF running back position? Is Barlow really going to jump ahead of Hearst?

Proceed with extreme caution. Veryhard to tell at this point. Getting either one of them in the 8th round is good value, but you shouldn't reach for or expect a lot from either at this point. It may be a year of 50/50.

[BabaBooey]

Anyone else think it would be a bad idea for leagues to have an RB by committee draft option. Such as rather than having, say, Marshall Faulk, you could draft "Ram's RB's" and get all of the accumulated points. It could help out a lot with about 5 teams doing the committee thing now. And it just sucked having Bennett in my money league piling up all those yards and Moe getting, what, 12 TD's?

[ShibbOleth]

I think it would be a bad idea to draft RBs by committee. How do you count that? In that case, why not just draft teams? What about WRs? Or TEs?

[mouthbreather]

Agree that it's not a good idea. Research on who will lilkely bee the starter and gambling on where in the draft to take someone who is not a clear-cut starter (but may be) is all part of the fun, IMO.

[mouthbreather]

"lilkely bee" ?!? sigh.

Me fail English? That's unpossible! :rolleyes:

[ShibbOleth]

You're only living up to your name, my friend. Now go drool over in the corner and wait for WL to show up like a good primate, will you? ;)

[mouthbreather]

::splashes in drool puddle, giggling moronically::

[ShibbOleth]

Down Ruprecht, down!

[Omniscient]

C'mon folks, its a serpentine draft, which for most of us means when you draft once, you're gonna have another pick coming up real fast.

[White Lightning]

mrchan you are officially a pee pee head. I was positive my Fins D would make it to me in 11. I only predrafted GB under them for like... no reason. Glargh. Plus my pres for 12 got eaten up too.

[mouthbreather]

Originally posted by Omniscient
C'mon folks, its a serpentine draft, which for most of us means when you draft once, you're gonna have another pick coming up real fast.

I'm assuming that 1hr54 minute gripe you're having here was with me?

I went to dinner.


Chill.

[ShibbOleth]

Well, I thought that things would slow down a bit over the weekend. I'm just surprised more folks haven't gone on autopilot. I think we'll finish this puppy up sometime on Monday or Tuesday, which is not too bad for a long weekend.

[ShibbOleth]

So Hamlet is the next to succumb to computer selection; he got Kordell for his troubles. For some reason I seem to recall that he is a Packers fan, in which case the selection smacks of delicious irony, just as when Jarbaby got stuck with Favre in our SDMB league last year. And whoever owns Third Ward Souljas is coming close to being next in the computer control derby.

[BabaBooey]

I beat the clock. Weeeee!! Boeregter will be the #1 reciever in the NFL this season.

[ShibbOleth]

Man, it must have been by the skin of your teeth. You were down to 37 minutes last I looked. Who is this mysterious Boerigter of whom you speak? The name is vaguely familiar. I remember just before last fantasy season trying to determine who was worthwhile to pick up from KC, as we figured that eventually they might be dangerous, with Vermeil as coach and all. But after awhile it was nigh on impossible to get many details about the Chefs, since they were so mediocre in an otherwise strong division.

[BabaBooey]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/316192

20 receptions, 8TDs. They guy just came on real strong at the end of the season. There were many other guys up there that were sure things to put up decent stats, but I think this guy could emerge as KC's #1. Who's going to stop him, Kennisin? Morton? Not a chance.

[ShibbOleth]

Well, Baba, you said that he'll be "the #1 reciever in the NFL this season", which may have been hyperbole, but it's a long way from 20 catches and 8 TDs to the best receiver in the league.

[waddamaroon]

12.09 Omnipotents L. Smith RB CAR Is there a reason this guy's still here?

Criminal charges and Stephen Davis.

[BabaBooey]

Deshaun Foster wouldn't be a bad reason either...

[waddamaroon]

Originally posted by BabaBooey
Deshaun Foster wouldn't be a bad reason either...
No doubt, if his knee is 100% and he remembers to take the football with him.

[ShibbOleth]

Our draft (http://www.antsports.com/as/AS933/) (Just to have this on page five).

Also, Omni is on the clock, and probably at work. Maybe when he gets home...

[Omniscient]

Shibb, you know me so well......

Well, I'm glad I didn't have that Carolina RB situation brain fart in a real draft.

[ShibbOleth]

I had the same brain fart in the last mock draft we held. So I guess these are good for something.

On another note, mrchan likes to take the same players as I do, I've noticed. I'll have to pick ahead of him in the next one and make his life miserable.

[BabaBooey]

Shall we begin a new thread to discuss the final draft results?

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by BabaBooey
Shall we begin a new thread to discuss the final draft results? You could spend a whole forum to the crap that is my draft. Kordell? 3 rbs, and 18,342 wide receivers? Sheesh. At least if the Antsports computer takes over, there is no way we'd end up with the Matrix or Terminator. Heck, we'd probably have the Constitution as a paper towel, the Mona Lisa will be toilet paper, CarrotTop will become president, and Brittney Spears will be recognized for her musical abilities.

[furt]

Geez, you guys are doing this already? In friggin' May?






Any chance of another one?

[mouthbreather]

furt, this is the third one we've done in the last month :o

Is it septemper yet?


Keep your eyes open, I'm up for another.

[mrchan]

well, i think after all is said and done, we can go ahead and declare me the winner :)

[mrchan]

posted it at antsports.... here's the link:

http://www.antsportstalk.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=1607&sessionID={337C39D5-BAB0-402C-94B4-508EBEC45806}

lets see what they have to say

[White Lightning]

I think mouthbreather took this one to the bank. Much more clear-cut to my eye than either of our previous drafts.

[BabaBooey]

Agreed.

[mrchan]

yeah mouthbreather did quite well. lets go again!

[Omniscient]

Well, I've got to beg to differ.

mouthbreather has a very nice team, but he's a little too thick at RB. 6RBs is too many and he has no backups for bye weeks at 3 positions. Not to mention that I think Gannon's bell is going to toll this season.

mrchan can also feel good, except he's in the middle of the pack at QB, and he's going to be real desperate if Holmes is out or ineffective.

Shibb has a nice team too, but he also has 6RBs and no backups at TE, PK, and D. His WRs are excellent and it puts him above mouthbreather IMHO. Warner is a gamble too, so time will tell.

WL is solid with another 6RB team and no backups at TE, PK and D, and his starters there leave alot to be desired.

Finally, my team is the best. Well, I'm not that confident, but in a real world draft I'd be happy to have alot of my players. I made 2 mistakes, first the Lamar Smith choice which leaves me hurting at RB and the homer pick of the Bears D without first realizing that they have the same bye week at the Eagles, my first pick. However I have the #1 QB core and great PKs. Plus I'd have more leverage for trades with those teams thin at D, QB and PK.

I might do a thorough rundown of all the teams a little later from top to bottom. It was fun and I'm looking forward to another hack at it, hopefully one with 12 or 14 teams this time.

[mouthbreather]

In addition to my own, I like mr chan, WL, and Omni's teams.


mouthbreather has a very nice team, but he's a little too thick at RB. 6RBs is too many and he has no backups for bye weeks at 3 positions. Not to mention that I think Gannon's bell is going to toll this season.

I'm of the opinion that you can never be "too thick at RB" as long as your QB and WR positions are solid. I never take into account bye weeks when drafting. Always go with the best player available, of course considering who you've already drafted. The three positions I have no backups in -- PK, D/ST, and TE? That's what the waiver wire is for. I'll glady wait as the season unfolds to see if any of the late RB grabs I had will pan out. The average TE is garbage to FF anyway, and PKs are dime-a-dozen. I'll glady take the 4 or 6 point hit for each of those positions for one week to have a chance at getting a breakout RB. Even if I can't start him, healthy running backs are awesome for trade bait as the season progresses.


I'm ready for another one. Should we take a week off or do people want to get rolling sooner?

[mrchan]

i'm up for whenever. football season needs to start already!

[waddamaroon]

[Rodney Dangerfield] No respect. No respect at all. [/Rodney Dangerfield]

[ShibbOleth]

Don't worry wadda, it's anyway all academic until the season starts. Two years ago I was golden with Marshall Faulk. Last year, again with Faulk, and I would have been much better off with Priest Holmes. But before Priest Holmes' breakout season, who knew? It's sort of like analyzing the real NFL draft; the proof only comes after.

Is anybody energetic enough to map these out against a scoring table at the end of next season so we can have 20/20 hindsight benefit?

[mrchan]

shibb - that would be a LOT of work. but if we were to do that, we should do one definitive mock draft.

[Munch]

mouth, let's fire one up on Monday. I like the private draft set-up - no need to reserve an entire set of drafters on one account.

But I really think we need 12 people. 10 is too thin, 14 is painfully slow (but wonderfully deep).

And since I was bumped early, I'll do a quick rundown.

Munch
Bumped in round 5, but actually not bad. Zereoue in Rd. 8 was a steal, first 3 WRs are great to good, QBs are extremely solid, and the RBs are the best of the draft (save Smith). C+

mouthbreather
Excellent team. Buckhalter was a bigger steal than Zereoue. I'd have picked up Elvis Joseph to back up Fraud instead of Shipp. Good QBs - I think Gannon has another year at least, and McNair is a starter in and of himself. But picking anything from the Redskins' QB camp is a big minus! Best WRs in the draft, and Carolina was a great pick up. A

waddamaroon
Kitna at 16?!? Wow! RB backups are not good. Mack could put up numbers behind a healthy Boselli, but it's still the Texans. Jordan could be a great backup for Martin, but Martin looks to be getting healthier. Got a lot of great #2 WRs, but they're still #2 WRs. Good TE/K/DEF. B-

Shibb
QBs are not good. Warner could be a backup to Bulger, and Pennington lost one of his top targets. RBs are painful, as you have 1 starter among them (look for Buckhalter to get the nod this year in Philly). Smith and Boston will put up some great numbers, but their backups aren't great (Warrick would be the first on the waiver wire in this league). C

mrchan
Great QBs. Great RBs. Great WRs. Great TE/K/DEF. Terrible backups across the board. One injury, and this team is done. B-

WL
I really like this team, with two exceptions. Duckett and Morton shouldn't be here. Well, Duckett should have been picked way later, and Boeritger should have been in place of Morton (except now I see that he was taken a round earlier - oops). A-

Omni
See mrchan, but replace "terrible backups" with "zero backups". 3 defenses?!? If you have the Eagles/Bucs/Dolphins, you can forget about another defense and focus on position players. C-

Wilson
Great QBs. Decent RBs. One good WR. Should have taken the Dolphins before the Chargers, or at least waited 4 more rounds. Not good backups (except at QB). B-

NurseCarmen
I also like this team, except for Hambrick. He showed up to camp looking like Mo Vaughn with a thyroid problem - Big Tuna's not going to like that. Great WRs, and good picks at QB. Having Tampa Bay will help immensely. A-.

Hamlet
Kordell? Well, gotta take risks somewhere, eh? Willie Jackson or Qadry Ismail could have been switched out for a 4th RB, though. I like the TE/K/DEF, even if the DEF was a tad early. A-

[mouthbreather]

Munch --

"I'd have picked up Elvis Joseph to back up Fraud instead of Shipp. Good QBs - I think Gannon has another year at least, and McNair is a starter in and of himself. But picking anything from the Redskins' QB camp is a big minus! Best WRs in the draft, and Carolina was a great pick up. "


Getting Fraud's BU was my plan all along, but then the more I looked, the more muddy the waters became. Elvis Joseph? maybe. But have you heard anything about this Toefield kid? I've read conflicting things about who will be the backup this year, so rather than guess wrong I just decided to go with Shipp.

Also, I've just got a feeling about Ramsey this year. I may be very wrong, but he's available in the last round of nearly every mock I've seen yet. Certainly not risking much by taking him. Gotta play the longshot hunch every once in every draft, as long as you arent paying too much for it.

[Munch]

Yeah, but with your depth, you didn't need another fantasy backup, you needed a real life backup. There aren't many players you need to handcuff this year, but Fraud is one of them. I'd put Warner/Bulger and maybe Barlow/Hearst on that list. And Martin/Jordan isn't a bad idea if you can spare the room. If Priest had a decent backup I'd put him on the list, but he doesn't.

As for Ramsey, you gotta follow your hunches. But if I had picked up McNair as my backup, I'd stop worrying. That guy would play out of a wheelchair, if they could manage to strap him in one. <insert DUI joke here>

[waddamaroon]

Originally posted by Munch:
Kitna at 16?!? Wow! Got a lot of great #2 WRs, but they're still #2 WRs.
The Bungals have been accumulating talent for years. I think Marvin Lewis is the man to organize it. My hope is that Chad Johnson becomes a #1 receiver this year. If so, that makes him a steal. Rice and Brown are old. If you sawed them in half, it would take days to count the rings. Porter is a heartbeat away from being a #1 as well.

Originally posted by Munch:
RB backups are not good. Mack could put up numbers behind a healthy Boselli, but it's still the Texans. Jordan could be a great backup for Martin, but Martin looks to be getting healthier.
Combined, Wells and Allen made a decent tailback last season. Mack has to be better than those two mutts, especially with Boselli back and Carr having a downfield threat in Andre Johnson. As fas as Jordan, I'm not convinced Martin is still the man. I think the Jets are easing Martin out of the featured role. Canidate was a huge reach at 5. I wish I had a mulligan on that pick. However, if Spurrier ever gets the 'Skins organized, he might turn out to be a decent choice. You know Snyder wants him in the line-up, as much as he's paying him.

[waddamaroon]

FWIW, here (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235222) are Johnson's stats from last season. He didn't receive substantial playing time until the eighth game of the season, so basically he did this in half a season. How could you not love this guy? I do, though not in a sweaty man-sex sort of way. Yet. Depends on how much money he wins for me this year. :D

[mouthbreather]

Yep, from game 8 on, only Harrison had better stats. He's going to be interesting to watch this year.

[Omniscient]

I'm in for another one as soon as we fill it, no need for a break in my book.

[White Lightning]

I like starting on Mondays. I think 12 teams is ideal.

I'm surprised my team is being so well-received. I thought my draft was fair at best. I only made one good pick and it was my last one.

Regarding the 6 RB vs TE/PK/DEF issue, I'm with mb all the way. Drafting 2 PKs is just totally ridiculous. 10 teams in this draft, 30 starting PKs in the NFL. All you need is a replacement for your starter's bye-week or if he gets hurt, and there are ample players out there for that purpose.

I've always been a proponent of carrying multiple defenses, though. They're far more dependent on weekly matchups than any other position, so I always want to have more than one to choose from.

As far as TEs, though, there are only ever 5 good ones (or fewer) every year, so unless you're drafting a top one it really doesn't matter who (or how many) you get. Every week there are basically 5 guys on the wire who each have about a 25% chance of scoring you a TD, and it's a crapshoot. If we were doing an actual draft this early in the year, I'd consider not drafting a TE at all and using the spot for an extra RB or WR to see how certain position battles sort themselves out over the offseason.


And regarding my 6 RBs, I think with Faulk, George, and Thomas as my first three, I was more than justified in grabbing a bunch of backups. Moe Williams is a steal in 12 if he puts up numbers comparable to last year's. And I felt fairly comfortable with my first 4 WR's. Funny, nobody likes my Morton pick (neither did I, really), nobody remembers all the buzz about him at this time last year. It was just a throwaway pick on a 5th WR for me anyway.

And I'll brook no criticism of Ryan Longwell. Check the numbers. He's elite.

[ShibbOleth]

Originally posted by waddamaroon
FWIW, here (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235222) are Johnson's stats from last season. He didn't receive substantial playing time until the eighth game of the season, so basically he did this in half a season. How could you not love this guy? I do, though not in a sweaty man-sex sort of way. Yet. Depends on how much money he wins for me this year. :D

I think he's going to have a stellar year. In the second half of the season he decided he was going to single-handedly try to keep the Bungles from sucking, and from then on he caught everything that was thrown his way. The problem for me is that our money league is in Cincinnati, so almost every Bengal (and many Steelers and Browns) are overvalued. I bet he goes in the third or fourth round, latest in that league this year.

[waddamaroon]

Jeez, in the past over-valueing a Bengal meant he was drafted, period.

I'm in for Monday, prefer 12 twelve teams, don't care about scoring, don't care about TE/D, would like to draft at #7 or #8.

[Omniscient]

Can we please start on Tuesday. Mondys I'm offline all afternoon, evening and night until noonish Tuesday.

[ShibbOleth]

I'll try to be in on next week's, but I have a lot of work deadline's so it may be difficult. I guess worse comes to worst I can just let the computer draft for me like Munch did, lazy bastard!

[BabaBooey]

No opinion on Third Ward? I'll post my opinion on each team tomorow when I'm sober.

[ShibbOleth]

Do it while you're drunk; it will be more interesting.

[Munch]

Third Ward was you, Baba? Then please replace "NurseCarmen" with "BabaBooey".

Also, I didn't mean to imply that Chad Johnson is a bum, or even a #2 WR. I like him a lot, and don't see much downside on him. I was referring more to Streets/Porter/Muhammad.

[ShibbOleth]

Of those other three I'd rank them 1) Porter 2) Muhammad 3) Streets. Personally I think Streets is a bum, Muhammad has personal problems and is past his prime, but could have some potential if they get their QB situation worked out. Not sure if Porter is a real #1 or just benefits from the distraction of Rice and Brown. How would he look if he were in Chad Johnson's shoes, for example? He's got skillz, but I don't recall seeing him doubled. Not that it's his fault.

[Munch]

Porter's problem is three-fold. (1) Jerry Rice is a robot. (2) Doug Jolley is increasing his role as an outlet receiver. (3) Garner picks up some serious catches from the backfield. Being the #2 WR on Oakland is actually being the #4 pass catcher.

[mouthbreather]

Agree Munch, I think Jolley is a great value at TE you can get late in a lot of drafts this year.

[waddamaroon]

Right on about Rice. He has his AARP card and he still catches 100 balls a year. Brown is headed downhill, though. Too many years returning punts is catching up with him. Still, having the #3 or #4 pass catcher on a team that throws over 600 times a year isn't a bad thing.
Muhammad does have a lot of problems, both personal and team related. But he's capable of a 20 point day. With any luck, he'll have it on the day one of my starters is off.
I really like Streets for a couple of reasons: The Niners throw a lot, Owens is a nut job, and Stokes is on the way out.
Strategy wise, I like all three of these guys as back ups. I don't actually believe all three of them are going to the Pro Bowl. In fact, they may be dogs. But odds are, one of them is going to more productive than anticipated, and that's all I want out of a back up.
And if I ever take Trung Canidate in the fifth round again, one of ya'll needs to come down here and whip my ass.

[Hamlet]

I'll actually be available to do a mock draft next week. Either Monday or Tuesday is fine. This time, I'll hopefully be able to do all my picks. Then, you will all cower before my wisdom and genius-ness.

[Munch]

Let's plan on Tuesday.

[White Lightning]

Originally posted by waddamaroon
And if I ever take Trung Canidate in the fifth round again, one of ya'll needs to come down here and whip my ass.I was pretty surprised by that one. He's a good mid-round sleeper but that was a reach.

[Munch]

Alright, ladies. Check your e-mail. (Baba, yours doesn't work. Drop me an e-mail ASAP. Neuro, is your sdmb_satan_godiloveMunch@something.com e-mail legit? If not, drop me one, too.)