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05-24-1999, 11:07 AM
Just a quick question. Why all the euphemisms for the toilet? In one thread I've just been reading there was....
Bathroom
Restroom
Ladies room
Cloakroom.....but absolutely no mention of a toilet! What's wrong with calling a spade a spade? (Or a toilet a toilet?)

05-24-1999, 12:15 PM
It's an American thing, I guess. We don't mind asking where it is, we just don't think it's anybody's business why we're going there. Asking where the toilet is, is an outright admission that we are going to take a dump. If we ask where the restroom is, we could be planning to do any assortment of less, er, "biological" things.

05-24-1999, 12:28 PM
It gets worse! Cecil has pointed out that toilet is the process of dressing and grooming. It was given its modern meaning as a euphemism. That is, the device has no real name, just a series of euphemisms.

06-08-1999, 03:42 PM
I think it should just be named after it's alleged inventor--Thomas Crapper, who was British by the way. Why not call it the crapper? It's functional, and credits the inventor.

However, I looked into this subject (ugh!) and found a web site that claims Crapper did not actually invent the flush toilet. Although, he did advance the technology.

http://www.blkbox.com/~jct/html/157.html
"So not only was he [Crapper] not the inventor of the flush toilet -- it's also unlikely that he really gave it his name, either. What he did do, was to carry the technology forward."

06-08-1999, 03:45 PM
I like to call it the "Tinkletorium" or "The Porcilin Palace of Pleasure"

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06-08-1999, 06:14 PM
Is the consensus, then, to use "toilet" in loo of other terms?

06-09-1999, 01:06 AM
Gravitas - should I condemn you for bad spelling or bad punmanship?

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06-09-1999, 08:29 AM
It's the beauty of the English language that it provides so many synonyms for all kinds of things. Just look how many synonyms there are for feces:
dung
poop
crap
shit
ka-ka
and so on. If the product can have this many synonyms, why can't the product receptacle?

06-09-1999, 04:39 PM
Well, look at it this way. How many times do you defecate a day? I usually top out at 1. How many baths do you take a day? Here, again, I'm going to say my normal number is 1. Therefore, it is as accurate to call it a bathroom as it is to call it a toilet.

Actually, it's more accurate. The proper term should be "toiletroom" if you are naming it after a toilet. Calling it a toilet is like calling it a bathtub.

Granted, when you talk about restrooms in public places, you usually don't get a bathtub. What you get is a sink, a mirror and some manner of toilet (also urinals for guys - to make it even more complicated).

However, "accuracy" has little to do with it. This is a language, not a building. There are no blueprints or plans. So people use whatever terms become popular ("water closet' anyone?).

06-09-1999, 05:02 PM
I know from reading blueprints that the room in question is usually called either a lavatory or a WC. I usually see the latter when there's not enough room to write out lavatory.

06-10-1999, 06:24 AM
I'm pretty sure that "lavatory" is the proper name for the bathroom sink...but hell, I could be wrong.

06-10-1999, 06:59 AM
Bathroom
Restroom
Ladies room
Cloakroom...

I didn't see any mention of the term "washroom" in your list. That's what I use the "washroom" most for, washing my hands, brushing my teeth - yeah, I brush my teeth more often than I use the toilet - go figure.

Cecil has pointed out that toilet is the process of
dressing and grooming.

The toilet is just part of the washing up process.

..but absolutely no mention of a toilet! What's wrong
with calling a spade a spade? (Or a toilet a toilet?)

Probably because it sounds better... Would you prefer a woman say that she has to use the toilet rather than powder her nose?

06-10-1999, 10:28 PM
The room containing the porcelain fixtures is the pissoir.


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06-11-1999, 08:11 AM
Soul, the dictionary says a lavatory is:
(1) a room equipped with washing and often toilet facilities
(2) a basin or bowl, esp. one permanently installed with running water for washing
(3) a toilet

06-11-1999, 08:33 AM
Would you prefer a woman say that she has to use the toilet
rather than powder her nose?

Yes I would. If anyone i was out with came back and used that dreadful euphemism I would wonder what I was doing being friends with them in the first place. You are going to the toilet, so why not just say so? Everyone knows what you're up to there's no point being delicate about it.

06-11-1999, 11:02 AM
Agreed, that euphemism, "powder one's nose", is dreadful.

You prefer that people say they are going to the toilet. I prefer them to say that they are going to the washroom. You say "tomato", I say "tomahto". If you prefer not to be friends with someone who uses a particular euphemism, that is your choice.

As for your, "Everyone knows what you're up to {in the washroom}", do you really? :o

06-11-1999, 12:46 PM
I always preferred the phrase, "I'm going to the office to do some work."

06-12-1999, 01:20 AM
When I go to the "bathroom" you don't know exactly what I'm doing at all. Here is a list of some of things I might do:

blow my nose
take a leak
take a dump
wash my hands
fart
burp
Make sure I have no food on my face
adjust my cajones (they tend to wander)
etc..

Also, a bathroom or washroom can contain multiple toilets of different types (sit-downs, stand-ups, or, as in stadiums, the cattle-trough.

Since my trip to the bathroom might not result in my using a toilet, I usually refer to it as "bathroom".

06-12-1999, 05:59 PM
You are going to the toilet, so why not just say so? Everyone knows what you're up to there's no point being delicate about it.

There's no reason to be graphic or crude about it either. At work we just refer to it as "droppping the kids off at the pool".

I haven't heard this used in a while but isn't "shitter" a non-euphamistic way of referring to the toilet?

06-13-1999, 11:42 AM
My dad always used to announce "I have to use the throne." Dad liked to reign o'er his subjects.

06-13-1999, 11:56 AM
I always liked this one:

"Excuse me. I need to see a man about a horse....and then I'm going to take a dump!"

06-15-1999, 08:15 PM
Around our house, if somebody announces an intention to "pinch a loaf", we remind them to light a match afterwards. Then again, I live in a very strange house...

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06-16-1999, 02:44 AM
I think it is strange that one has to even announce he is going to the loo. In my large family woe be it to the member that got up and headed off to the can without saying, I'm going to the bathroom. Not announcing it drew suspicion as if one were going off to behead neighborhood cats.

Here in japan they use 'toire' a bit of japanese/english. But the bathroom and washroom are always separate. Less than a direct request might get you in the wrong room. Or, you could ask for the 'benjoo' which would give you an air of a country boy asking for the shitter. Also, they think we are pretty weird for putting the john in the same room were we wash-up. However, they are pretty weird with there porcelin holes in the ground that you have to squat over (though they are pretty much fading out). Talk about all dressed up and no where to go squatting over one of those things. By the way if you come across one, face to the wall.

One of my friends does let everyone know he has to take a 'daiben' which means pitch a loaf, but this usually cracks up anybody in hearing range.

Doing it is a different matter. During water shortages officials pleaded with the Japanese, especially the ladies, to stop flushing the toilet numerous times to hide any sounds the naturally accur while relieving yourself. So if your in Japan just ask where the toilet is, but don't make any noise!!




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06-16-1999, 02:48 AM
'Powder my nose'??? I thought it was 'Pack my nose'.

06-16-1999, 09:04 AM
Pooch, I thought it was Japan where it is considered polite to fart and belch after a meal, a bit of a compliment to the chef. I may be confusing it with another Asian country.

So do we have a accurate word for the room we are talking about? Everything so far is a euphamism. Now we have a practical understanding of what we are talking about, but what is something that the TM can agree on. what we have so far:

bathroom: we do alot more than bathe in there
washroom: again not just washin'
Water Closet: yeah right, thats not even sensible
restroom: while we may be resting, i don't know that it applies
Cloakroom: what are we vampires and superheros?
loo: huh?
toilet: well, shit, even the thing we call a toilet isn't
Mensroom: OK, but not real descriptive
Ladiesroom: Yeah, but so is the Mall
Lavatory: thats the sink
Powderroom: I suppose that fit in the Coke days of the 80's

Now maybe its the engineer in me, but I need a term that describes the room as a whole without entrenching the phrase in obfuscating terms to sanitize the issue. Lets whip something together here.

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06-16-1999, 10:01 AM
My aunt used to be an air hostess and a passenger once asked her for 'the loung'. She was horrified when she was told that only the first class passengers had that privelege.

I find the use of bathroom very strange, as I've only ever heard it used when someone is going to take a bath/shower.

Loo is probably the most popular term, although most people I know announce that they are 'dying for a piss' and disappear for a couple of minutes. Well, my mam and dad don't ususally do that, but my friends do.

Lavatory: thats the sink

Is it? I thought it was the loo.

06-16-1999, 10:01 AM
My aunt used to be an air hostess and a passenger once asked her for 'the lounge'. She was horrified when she was told that only the first class passengers had that privelege.

I find the use of bathroom very strange, as I've only ever heard it used when someone is going to take a bath/shower.

Loo is probably the most popular term, although most people I know announce that they are 'dying for a piss' and disappear for a couple of minutes. Well, my mam and dad don't ususally do that, but my friends do.

Lavatory: thats the sink

Is it? I thought it was the loo.

06-16-1999, 10:02 AM
Goodness, that was exciting. I've never double posted before.

At least I know how to know.

06-16-1999, 05:18 PM
Soul, the dictionary says a lavatory is:
(1) a room equipped with washing and often toilet facilities
(2) a basin or bowl, esp. one permanently installed with running water for washing
(3) a toilet

I am making the assumtion that the second definition is the original and most accurate one, and that the other two are euphamisms that have stuck to broaden the meaning.

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The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is
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06-16-1999, 06:24 PM
True story, slightly off the topic, I once got taken to a fancy London club, which has a special cloakroom designated, "Peers only."

06-17-1999, 05:34 PM
Nobody's mentioned Little Boy's Room or Little Girl's Room yet. :-)