View Full Version : Why is Woody Allen still making movies?
07-25-2003, 10:36 AM
Today's IMDb news (http://us.imdb.com/PeopleNews/#2) (scroll down for story) reports that Woody Allen wants Robert Downey, Jr. and Winona Ryder for his new movie, which is all hush-hush.
My question is -- why is this man still making movies? Does anyone actually see them? Why do actors want to work with him? Is this or is this not the biggest racket in show-biz history?
07-25-2003, 10:53 AM
Why he keeps making them isn't a hard question to answer. He keeps making them because he has things he wants to say and stories he wants to tell, and because he enjoys making films.
As for why big stars are willing to appear in his films... well, Woody has never had a huge audience, but he's always enjoyed critical acclaim and has a small number of ardent admirers. In some cases, those admirers include prominent actors, and those actors are eager to work with him. In other cases, actors who've already had commercial success, but who've never had critical acclaim, work with Woody in hopes of gaining critical respectability.
(It's not just Woody, you know. People like Julia Roberts, who could earn $20 million for a mainstream film, will work for far less on an off-beat Robert Altman film, simply to win respect as "serious" actors.)
A tougher question is, how does Woody get financing for his films? I mean, even in his prime, he never made blockbusters, but his films USED to do respectably at the box office in the U.S, and VERY well overseas. Not lately, though! He hasn't had even a modest hit in about 15 years.
Perhaps that's why he's no longer as reclusive as he used to be. The Woody of old would NEVER have appeared at the Oscars, but he does it now! The Woody of old shunned the press, but he courts them now. Perhaps he finally realizes that he needs to appeal to someone besides film critics. Indeed, even the film critics aren't as worshipful and fawning as they used to be! For a long time, EVERY review of EVERY Woody Allen film said "this is his best film ever." But it's been quite some time since I saw a critic say that about any of Woody's films.
07-25-2003, 10:54 AM
His films don't seem to make a lot of money (grosses (http://www.the-numbers.com/people/WALLE.html)) - Jade Scorpion made $7,500,000 in the USA, although they are relatively cheap to make. I guess he has a certain ready-made audience (probably mainly in New York and France).
He is a good director when he tries (although some of his projects are bizarre), but some of his starring roles are excrutiating; luckily he seems to be doing less acting and less kissing 20 year old actresses these days.
07-25-2003, 11:00 AM
A tougher question is, how does Woody get financing for his films? Easy. His movies are cheap to make. Big name actors working for scale. Lots of dialogue but no action setpieces or CGI work. Probably one of the biggest expenses (proportionally speaking) is music licensing, since he always uses a lot of different music (mostly jazz standards, some classical). They also do fairly well in American arthouse circuits, and have very strong followings in countries like France and Argentina.The Woody of old would NEVER have appeared at the Oscars, but he does it now! You'll never see him on the show again. That's a certainty. The only reason he did it was as a specific tribute to NYC in the wake of 9/11. He didn't present an award or have any other part in the competitive aspect of the ceremony. He just delivered some funny lines and introduced the montage.
07-25-2003, 11:20 AM
Of course, in the case of Winona Ryder and Robert Downey, they'll work not for cash but for credit toward community service...
07-25-2003, 11:38 AM
I recall hearing an interview with Marshall Brickman a few years ago. He said that (I guess at least up to that time) no Woody Allen film had ever lost money. They weren't huge money makers, but they were profitable. So I guess Allen's films are a safe investment that can bring some critical notice to a studio.
07-25-2003, 12:43 PM
Think about the income possibilities of today's movies. There is the percentage of the original showing's theater grosses. Then you add on the pay-per-view money, the cable pay movie sales, and the free cable/network tv sales. Then you have the DVD/Video sales and rentals. Then you have the foreign showings, the foreign tv rights and the foreign DVD/video sales and rentals. Then you do a director's cut, a special edition, and a special boxed edition with your other last three movies.
Woody Allen claims to take a million dollar fee for each of his films. That's a good income. Add to that a share of the revenue stream for each of the above, multiply it by 30 movies, and you have a comfortable lifetime annuity for you, your producers, your distributors, your agent, and the IRS.
07-25-2003, 01:11 PM
The other reason is, of course, that he's still quite good at it. While Hollywood Ending was pretty poor, in the ten years prior he'd made Husbands & Wives, Bullets Over Broadway, Mighty Aphrodite, Deconstructing Harry, and Sweet and Lowdown, all of which were excellent, and several other films that were very good. How many other directors have made that many excellent films in their entire career, not to mention just in the last decade?
07-25-2003, 06:06 PM
Winona Ryder? Robert Downey Jr.? What, is he directing an episode of "Cops"?
07-25-2003, 11:36 PM
This man's presence in the movie industry is a mystery to me. I have a good sense of humor, and some of his lines are amusing, but his movies are a complete bust for me. I seem to be in the minority, however.
07-26-2003, 09:00 AM
Nah, I'm with you, Chefguy, which is pretty much the origin of the OP. I loved Annie Hall when it came out (though I think it has cited regularly her in "films that don't hold up" threads), thought Manhattan was okay, fell asleep in Zelig, and totally lost interest when he started taking himself seriously. I have some curiosity about Everybody Says I Love You (as a lifelong aficianado of the movie musical) -- but am reluctant to borrow it from the library, for free, no money out of my pocket, for fear that it will piss me off.
07-26-2003, 09:12 AM
I couldn't stand the man even before the who Mia-Soon Yi brouhaha. I guess when he is making movies is the only time he isn't thinking with his little Woody.
07-26-2003, 09:33 AM
I've never cared for his sex-themed movies & find his neurotic personna a bit wearing after a while, but I think The Purple Rose of Cairo and Bullets Over Broadway are absolutely hands-down brilliant. When he steps away from his own issues the results can be amazing.
07-26-2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by ArchiveGuy
Lots of dialogue but no action setpieces or CGI work.
I hear that in his next film, he fights Yoda!
07-27-2003, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Snooooopy
I hear that in his next film, he fights Yoda!
That'll be an interesting bout, since Yoda has the height advantage.
07-27-2003, 10:14 AM
He's had some commercial hits, like Annie Hall and Manhattan. You might not remember it now, but those were friggin huge when they came out! More recent movies, like Shadows and Fog and Crimes and Misdemeanors, are absolute gems of filmmaking. Like the better Marx Brothers movies, Allen's films may wither at the box office... but future generations who mainly know it from television will think they're the funniest damn things ever committed to celluloid.
Any objectionable thing you can say about Woody Allen is trumped by the undeniable contribution he makes to the culture, which is more substantial than that of any other living director (and most dead ones).
07-27-2003, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by twickster
I have some curiosity about Everybody Says I Love You (as a lifelong aficianado of the movie musical) -- but am reluctant to borrow it from the library, for free, no money out of my pocket, for fear that it will piss me off.
Nah, it's really a fun movie. Allen's persona isn't that annoying in the movie, and he even sings a little (which is not as bad as you might think). Plus it's got Drew Barrymore, Ed Norton, Gaby Hoffman, Lukas Haas, and Goldie Hawn. What a cool cast.
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