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08-13-2003, 02:01 PM
I just read the news story that reported that Ted Williams' head was removed from his body before being frozen at Alcor. The head and body are both being stored at Alcor separately.
Some people elect to have only the head preserved, figuring that if technology can bring them back, it will also be able to get a new body for them. Since head-only freezing (neurosuspension) is cheaper (less storage space and collant required), some people go for that option. Others choose to pony up the extra dough and have the whole body frozen.
But why would anyone have the head removed and then both stored. That would only make it harder to bring him back, not easier, no? I've been trying to think of a valid reason for doing this, but could not find one.
Can anyone come up with a valid reason for removing the head if you're going to keep both the head and body?
08-13-2003, 02:07 PM
In case they ran outta dough and couldn't pay for keeping an intact body, the head is already off?
Although, if that is the case why couldn't they just take it off then? Damn, I don't know.
The whole damn thing just gives me a creepy-factor of 9.
08-13-2003, 03:58 PM
I doubt John Henry really wants Ted Williams to be revived. He's going to be one pissed off dude when he finds out what's been going on while he was dead.
One of Ted's daughters, Bobby-Jo Ferrell, has claimed that John Henry wanted the body frozen to preserve the DNA which could then be sold for cloning purposes. If preserving the body for future cloning is the real motive behind the freezing, then it wouldn't be necessary to store the body whole. But on the other hand I can't think of a particularly good reason to behead it either.
For what it's worth, the SI story includes the claim that eight DNA samples taken from the body are missing.
I'm afraid he's going to come back swinging.
08-13-2003, 04:15 PM
Okay, wild speculation: You use the body for DNA samples so you can grow the head a new, younger, clone body?
(Of course, now I'm picturing his old man head on a toddler's body, and that's mildly disturbing.)
08-13-2003, 05:53 PM
What if they screw up and clone Treat Williams instead?
08-13-2003, 06:00 PM
Guys, the story is that 8 samples of Ted's DNA have already gone missing, and that his head has been accidentally cracked 10 times...
John Henry Williams is a total asshole if he forged the "note" from his dad changing his wishes about how his remains were to be disposed of. Especially if he did it for financial gain.
As I heard today, his luxury box in hell is paid for and waiting.
08-13-2003, 06:01 PM
Oops, missed it when bilbliophage mentioned the DNA samples.
08-13-2003, 07:47 PM
They probably made an arrangement to freeze his head, but are storing the body in case a court-order forces them to release him for burial. They'd want to bury the head and body together, I'm pretty sure.
08-14-2003, 04:44 PM
According to this ESPN story (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/story?id=1595663&partnersite=espn) we have some more bizarre developments in the continuing saga of what may have been the best baseball player in the world. Like Yogi said: It ain’t over ‘till it’s over. Apparently the fat lady has yet to sing.
I especially enjoy the comment that Ol’ Ted’s separated, frozen, somewhat battered and fractured head is “ghastly.” For the love of Jolt’en Joe, what would you expect? How would you like to get that by a UPS delivery?
08-14-2003, 05:58 PM
What a horrible thing to happen to a great, dignified and extremely private man- Popsicle jokes forever. I hope this guy's kids burn in hell forever (at least the ones who did this).
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