So Long, Idi Amin

[Marley23]

Former Ugandan dictator, age 80, dies in a Saudi hospital. (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/08/16/saudi.amin/index.html)

[Zenster]

Good riddance of bad rubbish. The skies are a bit brighter today.

[flodnak]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Actually I'm hoping this thread gets moved to the Pit so we can all express our true feelings....

[Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor]

The pig has become the bacon.


No loss.

[Ayesha]

Bosda baby, your sig is really good here !


As for Idi Amin I have nothing to say that wouldn't get me in trouble with UncleBeer and Co. so I'll wait to see if this gets moved to the pit.

[Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor]

Ayesha, I've heard you're really good anywhere!


Oh...sig lines!

Silly me.

Nevermind....

[Annie-Xmas]

Maybe the Blackout was his last act?

[Weirddave]

I think you guys miss the point of the pit, it's for flaming each other. AFAIK it isn't against the rules to say that Idi Amin was a blackhearted, goat felching, murdering excuse for a human who deserves to be raped by demons in hell for eternity here in MPSIMS, unless someone come in with a contrary position and an arguement ensues. THEN it's pit material.

[Zenster]

Originally posted by Weirddave
I think you guys miss the point of the pit, it's for flaming each other. AFAIK it isn't against the rules to say that Idi Amin was a blackhearted, goat felching, murdering excuse for a human who deserves to be raped by demons in hell for eternity here in MPSIMS, unless someone come in with a contrary position and an arguement ensues. THEN it's pit material. Author, author!!!

[Coldfire]

No Dave, if excessive language is going to be used, we prefer people post in the Pit rather than MPSIMS as well.

OK, off we go then. Down the Pits of Hell, not unlike a certain ex-dictator.

[TheLoadedDog]

Yeah. So long Idi Amin. Taking your leave of us ,eh? Don't forget to take out the rubbish on your way out the door. Oops forgot, you are the rubbish.

Hot enough for ya?

[TheLoadedDog]

I can't believe I bolded the fucker's name. What a typo!

[Chefguy]

Let's not forget the fuckin' Saudis who have harbored this monster all these years. I know they're in *my* prayers.

[Zenster]

Ahhh, much better.

Let's see how creative we can get.

I'm thinking of him being given the death of a thousand paper cuts and then (while still alive) being (not so) gently roasted over an open flame until he's ready for a few hundred rabid rats to begin gnawing the cooked flesh from his bones.

This is, of course, after his victims have scraped the skin from his body with jagged salt encrusted seashells. A quick dip in battery acid and rinse in a solution of lye should make him ready him for the rotisserie. Let's not forget, perhaps, a high colonic of freshly broken glass shards and hot sand. This would best clear the way in preparation for the aptly inserted roasting spit. Not-so-lovingly applied by Vlad the Impaler's least skilled henchman (of course).

[verbenabeast]

ya just KNOW (or at least hope with malignant fervor) that Beelzebub, Ghede, Moloch, ol' Mr. Scratch... or whatever you want to call him has got special plans for THIS sick fuck. read this story in the Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/06/02/wamin02.xml) for a little background... nothing he could suffer would repay what he has done.


roast, Idi. You earned it.

[fnord1966]

May he be forever waited on hand and foot by Mary Kate and Ashley Olson, and that evil little Welches grape juice girl.
Be forced to watch Barney and Friends, Teletubbies and Pokemon while being rubed down with a lemonjuice and sea-salt rub by Edward Scissor Hands.

Feeling particularly evil today are we? Oh yesss! :D

[Tapioca Dextrin]

A geuinely insane mass murdering fuck-head. But you have to admire his plan for retaking the Golan Heights with the elite Ugandan Paratroop Regiment.

[Tapioca Dextrin]

They practiced jumping out of airplanes on kiddies' slides BTW.

[Marley23]

roast, Idi. You earned it.
"Welcome to the Roast of Idi Amin! No, not the funny kind with the comedians. The real kind. Now then..."

[kambuckta]

It's not often that hearing of a political leaders' death brings a smile to my face.

Amin's had me howling with uncontrollable laughter last night.

So long fucker. :D

[Miller]

Huh. I thought the world felt a little less evil this morning.

[gobear]

So where are the self-appointed Morality Cops to tell posters in this thread that Idi Amin was a human being, albeit a slightly flawed one, and we should be ashamed for mocking his death, or as they put it, "dancing on his grave"?

[OxyMoron]

One-two-cha-cha-cha! One-two-cha-cha-cha!

Gobear, you're leading! Stop that!

[Silentgoldfish]

Originally posted by gobear
So where are the self-appointed Morality Cops to tell posters in this thread that Idi Amin was a human being, albeit a slightly flawed one, and we should be ashamed for mocking his death, or as they put it, "dancing on his grave"?

No where to be found here, so it's a bit odd to be getting mad about it already. . .

[DarrenS]

With the demise of Saddam's beloved qusay and uday, and now Amin, the world is just getting a better and better place. Too bad he died comfortably in hospital, unlike his many victims.

[jsgoddess]

I knew Amin was still alive, but I had no idea he was in Saudi until this morning. And Saudi's excuse? Offering help to a fellow Muslim.

Grrrreat attitude there, guys.

Just for the record, no murderers, fellow agnostics or not, get to camp out in my guest room.

Not even if they bring booze.

Hmpf.

Julie

[Tuckerfan]

Originally posted by Tapioca Dextrin
They practiced jumping out of airplanes on kiddies' slides BTW. Did they wax the slides to make themselves go down faster? ('Coz we had that figured out when I was a kid and if they can't, then it never would have worked.)

[lonelocust]

A good day indeed. But wouldn't it be great if Mugabe, Saddam, or Charles Taylor joined him for a double-header.

[Mehitabel]

One of his last wishes was to be buried in his homeland.

What is the point on the planet that is FURTHEST away from Uganda? I hope it's inside a volcano somewhere--he'll feel right at home.

[Mehitabel]

One of his last wishes was to be buried in his homeland.

What is the point on the planet that is FURTHEST away from Uganda? I hope it's inside a volcano somewhere--he'll feel right at home.

[Largo62]

I'm glad the misbegotten son of a sow is dead. But, since I don't believe in hell, I'm sorry it didn't take him longer to die. If anybody ever deserved to suffer it was he. Sadly, justice doesn't happen often. When it does it's often so brief we almost miss it.

The world won't miss him, though. Not one Idi bit!

[Brutus]

I wonder what his last meal was.

[Baldwin]

I remember back in September 2001, when Bush made a speech saying something like, "We will not distinguish between terrorists and the governments that harbor terrorists." I knew right away it was bullshit, and that we'd keep treating Saudi Arabia with kid gloves, instead of dealing with it as the thoroughly corrupt dictatorship and source of terrorism that it is. (Besides being a monster to his own people, Amin was involved in the 1976 hijacking of a French airliner to Entebbe.)

Amin was a soldier in the British Colonial Army in Uganda, before independence. So I guess he represented both colonialism and the worst evils of post-colonialism.

[Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor]

Originally posted by Brutus
I wonder what his last meal was.

Orphan au'gratin, no doubt.

Too bad he didn't die a lot sooner.

[elucidator]

"Welcome to Hell, President Amin! I am your Orientation Demon. We have a lovely roasting spit all picked out for you, right next to two fine young men from Iraq who are also recent arrivals. Be advised that beseeching and imploring are not appropriate under the circumstances, and you should save you voice for shrieking."

[Tuckerfan]

Originally posted by Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
Orphan au'gratin, no doubt.

Too bad he didn't die a lot sooner. You mean like 79 years ago?

[Baker]

Originally posted by Mehitabel
One of his last wishes was to be buried in his homeland.

What is the point on the planet that is FURTHEST away from Uganda? I hope it's inside a volcano somewhere--he'll feel right at home.

I checked. It's in the Pacific Ocean. But we wouldn't want to poison the fish.

[ElwoodCuse]

This just in: Idi Amin is still dead.

[fnord1966]

Originally posted by jsgoddess
...And Saudi's excuse? Offering help to a fellow Muslim.


So he was Muslim? I hope his last meal was bacon wrapped porkchops in liquid form fed through IV.(nothing agianst other muslims, just the evil ones)(evil people in general))


I hope every one of his victims gets a chance to stop by.
they dont even have to do anything, their presence will be painfull enough.

Of course if one or all want to ram him up the ass repeatedly with barbed telephone poles, thats ok too.

[Angel Heart]

I guess he's in a foursome with Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin at Satan's golfcourse...I wanna know when Saddam's tee time is.

[quixotic78]

Originally posted by gobear
So where are the self-appointed Morality Cops to tell posters in this thread that Idi Amin was a human being, albeit a slightly flawed one, and we should be ashamed for mocking his death, or as they put it, "dancing on his grave"?
<shrug> I dunno, this thread kind of speaks for itself. I mean, look at some of this stuff:
I'm thinking of him being given the death of a thousand paper cuts and then (while still alive) being (not so) gently roasted over an open flame until he's ready for a few hundred rabid rats to begin gnawing the cooked flesh from his bones.

This is, of course, after his victims have scraped the skin from his body with jagged salt encrusted seashells. A quick dip in battery acid and rinse in a solution of lye should make him ready him for the rotisserie. Let's not forget, perhaps, a high colonic of freshly broken glass shards and hot sand. This would best clear the way in preparation for the aptly inserted roasting spit. Not-so-lovingly applied by Vlad the Impaler's least skilled henchman (of course).
It's not often that hearing of a political leaders' death brings a smile to my face.

Amin's had me howling with uncontrollable laughter last night.
Of course if one or all want to ram him up the ass repeatedly with barbed telephone poles, thats ok too
I mean, some of this shit could have been stolen from Idi Amin's diary itself. Yes, obviously, no one here DID any of those deplorable things, whereas Amin did. That's not the point. The point is that everything about this -- the man, his actions, and the revelling after his death -- is just ugly.

I really don't understand these threads. Do any of you really need cartharsis? What's wrong with just reading the article about his death and moving along? Why the malevolence?

I know, it's trite, but you guys are proving it: Hate breeds hate.

[Tuckerfan]

Originally posted by quixotic78
I know, it's trite, but you guys are proving it: Hate breeds hate. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. So our hatred of Idi's dangerous? To whom? Idi? The only way it's dangerous to him is if he decides to rise from the grave and walk amongst the living feasting on their brains, and as cool as a movie as that might make (Attack of the Dictator Zombis! or Night of the Living Dead Dictators in 3-D!), it ain't gonna happen. Dangerous to us because it'll somehow inspire us to turn against one another and start slaughtering one another in the style of our most hated dictator to prove which one is the most vile? Ain't gonna happen. Dangerous to other assholes who decide that they're gonna follow in Idi's footsteps? Yup. 'Nuff said.

[Testy]

Idi and his family had the whole top floor. I always had visions of Idi calling room service and telling them "No No, I don't need a menu. Just make sure the waiter is plump." He was always in there. AFAIK, he never came outside. I don't know if that was due to fear or what.

As far as remorse for being glad he's dead, fuck that. That evil cocksucker killed humans by the thousands and tens of thousands, not even considering the ones he allowed to die from starvation. My only regret is that the survivors of some of those people he tortured and killed didn't get him first. Dying of old age is way too good for him.

Regards

Testy

[Largo62]

Originally posted by quixotic78I know, it's trite, but you guys are proving it: Hate breeds hate.
More like: hateful people invite hate. I don't think many of us who are deligted by the end of evil people like Amin and the late Hussein boys are necessarily hateful towards anyone else.

You named yourself well quixotic. Do you suppose Saddam will be brought to ultimate justice by the blast of a forceful nostril?

I'm afraid in the real world people are more likely to celebrate the passing of an evil presence than to sigh and say, "Too bad such people exist. Ho hum. What's on the Gardening Channel tonight?"

To my mind, hell is ultimate cruelty--unending punishment with no pretense at effecting change. I think that'd be wrong for anyone even the likes of Idi Amin. But I'm not above contemplating severe punishment (a-la many suggestions above) in this temporal plane for such as Amin. Contemplating it, that is. Not doing it. The contemplation alone is a release. Don't you get that?

Do you avoid any book, TV show or film that has an antagonist, you know, a really bad guy? And if you don't, are you indifferent to the triumph over that antagonist? If you are so so pacific, why visit the Pit at all? Surely you'll be less upset by the threads in, say, Cafe Society.

[kambuckta]

Originally posted by quixotic78


I mean, some of this shit could have been stolen from Idi Amin's diary itself. Yes, obviously, no one here DID any of those deplorable things, whereas Amin did. That's not the point.

That IS the point quixotic78. The POINT is that Idi Amin was a fucking maniac who instilled fear and loathing into the hearts of not just his countrymen, but the whole world. Those here revelling in his passing have done nothing to hasten his death, unlike the actions of Amin himself who not only ordered millions of deaths, but personally executed thousands of them himself. That we finally have the joy to be able to tap-dance on his grave, however belatedly, is a wonderful thing, and a memorial to those who suffered at his evil hand.

Ugly? Maybe.

Deserved? Absofuckinglutely.

[c42]

All I can say about Idi Amin is "condition: satisfactory".

[jjimm]

I hope the door to hell hits his ass on the way in.


His exile in Saudi Arabia is indicative of a wider sickness in international relations, according to a current Ugandan diplomat I saw on the TV the other day: he was offered exile in several other places, but he chose Saudi because the West "doesn't pay any attention to what goes on there".

[yojimbo]

It's a great pity that the fucker got to live out his years in comfort in SA and not rotting in a prison somewhere. He lived a comfortable life and died in nice surroundings with his loved ones.

The son of a bitch didn't deserve that. The world is a unfair bastard when it wants to be.

[E-Sabbath]

Sigh. I suppose I do have to post here just to help gobear out.

Guys, remember, it's kinda crude to express glee over a person's death. He may have been satan in human form, but it really just makes you look bad.

On the other hand, most people, as far as I can tell, have been expressing satisfaction more than glee, which is a li'l different. I don't know, I'm just not seeing the pure bile that erupted in the Strom thread. My opinion, my ettiquite, YMMV, but really, how does him being dead change from him being alive for the last few months?

[gobear]

Sigh. I suppose I do have to post here just to help gobear out.

Guys, remember, it's kinda crude to express glee over a person's death. He may have been satan in human form, but it really just makes you look bad.

Um, that's not my point because I'm all for the polar opposite of mourning the deaths of sacks of shit like Idi Amin, and I don't believe for one second that it makes me or anyone else look bad. The intent of my previous post was to ask for consistence in the sermonizing from self-appointed censors like Quixotic78.

I certainly don't approve graphically violent vengeance porn that has been posted, but at the same time, I feel that people like Quixotic78 are the morally blind ones. They take no note of the crimes of the deceased and behave as if Idi Amin did nothing to provoke howls of execration.
Idi Amin was not an innocent man whose death should be treated with respect. He was a monster, a criminal, a man who murdered thousands and even indulged in ritual cannibalism, eating the flesh of his personal enemies. He died in his bed of old age, a fate denied the masses of his victims. He escaped punishment for his many crimes and was coddled by his Saudi hosts with a generous living stipend. The anger posted here refelcts that justice was never done, and Amin's victims will never be avenged.

[Ben Hicks]

Originally posted by quixotic78
I know, it's trite, but you guys are proving it: Hate breeds hate.


I think hatred of such a man is very healthy and life affirming, personally. It's indicative of our humanity, that people are a creative with it just makes it more fun to read.

[fnord1966]

What better way to cope with the evil in the world that dishing out a little virtual vengance? The guy was just about as evil as they come.

Does it make me evil to wish an eternity with the Olsen twins on him?

Well, yeah, but thats besides the point.


Truthfully I think that physical torture would have been too kind on him. After a while, even the most painful experience becomes tolerable due to endorphins, and when they run out, death is soon to follow.

If I had my druthers, Mental torture. Long lasting, no mess, no coping methods(aside from deep meditation perhaps, but this guy wasnt a cool calm tranquil pool of spirituality was he?)

Let people deal the way they deal. it isnt like we are going to commit mass suicide so we can meet him down there to dish it out in person, we just hope someone down there is reading the Pit.

[quixotic78]

Originally posted by Tuckerfan
So our hatred of Idi's dangerous? To whom? ... Dangerous to us because it'll somehow inspire us to turn against one another and start slaughtering one another in the style of our most hated dictator to prove which one is the most vile?
First of all, I never said that your hatred is dangerous. I said it's ugly. I even bolded the word. No, you're not going to go out and slaughter people, but if you'd like to think that that's what I'm saying, I'm not going to interfere with you if that's how you get your rocks off. Have fun with your masturbatory fantasy. I just think it's ugly. Just let the man and everything that was fucked up about him die. I don't see how responding to his hate with your own vile feelings helps anybody.
Originally posted by DesertGeezer
I don't think many of us who are deligted by the end of evil people like Amin and the late Hussein boys are necessarily hateful towards anyone else.... The contemplation alone is a release. Don't you get that?
That's a pleasant little illusion you've got there. I hope it helps you sleep well at night. I find it hard to believe that someone who posts shit like I quoted in my earlier post can totally partition their hatred. I'm more of the opinion that if you wallow in vituperativeness, sooner or later, some of it rubs off on you. And just out of curiosity, how "evil" do you have to be before celebrating your death becomes an acceptable vent of hatred?

As far as the contemplation being a release, I'll ask something again that I asked (albeit rhetorically) in my first post: do you really need the catharsis? Did this guy do something to you personally? To someone you know? Have you been traumatized by his evilness? Been counting down the days to his death, just so you can close a painful chapter in your life? No? Then "release" is a red herring, a non sequitir, post hoc justification for spewing bile. Can it.
Originally posted by kambucta
That we finally have the joy to be able to tap-dance on his grave, however belatedly, is a wonderful thing, and a memorial to those who suffered at his evil hand.
A memorial? You can't possibly be serious. Besides the fact that I doubt you could give the name of a single victim that you're ostensibly memorializing, you're going to offer shit like "razor covered telephone poles up his ass" as a memorial? How touching. I'll kindly ask you to not speak at any funerals I'm attending.

And, finally, dear old goboy...
...self-appointed censors like Quixotic78.
Censors? Excuse me? I don't think I have ever said, EVER, in my entire life, that someone should be censored. I think this thread is nasty (as far as threads go -- certainly nowhere near "real world," Idi Amin stlye nasty). Yeah, I wish that this thread never existed, but that's not because I want to censor anybody. I want this thread to not exist because I want the ugly feelings that inspire threads like this to not exist.

Then again, as someone pointed out, I chose my screen name for a reason...
I certainly don't approve graphically violent vengeance porn that has been posted
Well, why not? Isn't vengeance porn the "polar opposite of mourning the deaths of sacks of shit like Idi Amin"? As such, shouldn't it warrant your approbation?

Whatever. If you don't approve of it, then we're in agreement. Why did you feel the need to taunt me (and my ilk) with your first post, sort of a "Come out, come out wherever you are"? Why do you feel the need to tweak my nose (or attempt to, at least) with a second?
They take no note of the crimes of the deceased and behave as if Idi Amin did nothing to provoke howls of execration.
Yeah, hi, gobear? Next time, try responding to what I posted, not to what you wish I had posted. To wit, am I taking "no note of the crimes of the deceased" when I say:
I mean, some of this shit could have been stolen from Idi Amin's diary itself. Yes, obviously, no one here DID any of those deplorable things, whereas Amin did. That's not the point. The point is that everything about this -- the man, his actions, and the revelling after his death -- is just ugly.
I'm sorry (but not really) if I didn't list out Amin's crimes in the visceral detail that you feel is needed to justify a retributive post. I kind of, you know, take it as common knowledge that Amin was unqualifiedly BAD. Next time I want to chastise someone for cheering on a death, I'll be sure to post a biography of the deceased first, you to satiate you.

[fnord1966]

Originally posted by quixotic78
you're going to offer shit like "razor covered telephone poles up his ass" as a memorial?

Minor nitpic: I do belive it was barbed telephone poles.

Not as a memorial as you assume. I was saying if the victims got to stop by and they wanted to do it to him, that was OK, not that I wanted to do that to him.

[Tuckerfan]

Originally posted by quixotic78
First of all, I never said that your hatred is dangerous. I said it's ugly. I even bolded the word. No, you're not going to go out and slaughter people, but if you'd like to think that that's what I'm saying, I'm not going to interfere with you if that's how you get your rocks off. Have fun with your masturbatory fantasy. I just think it's ugly. Just let the man and everything that was fucked up about him die. I don't see how responding to his hate with your own vile feelings helps anybody. Ugly? Ugly? You mean like having your own vacation home with torture chamber and feasting off the bodies of your enemies ugly? Or do you mean simply something you don't like to read? And expressing my feelings about the death of some scuzzy bastard (though comparing Idi to illegitimate children is really an insult to persons born out of wedlock, doncha think?) like Idi helps me deal with my fustration of having to live in the same world and such shitheads and not being able to do anything about them. Sanctions don't work, reasoning with those scum doesn't seem to work, the only thing that seems to work at getting those genetic throwbacks out of power is putting a gun to their head and splattering their brains against the wall. And sadly, we can't do that. There's not enough money and not enough people willing to put their lives on the line to take them all out. So when a tyrant passes, I'm going to take all the joy out of his/her death that I can.

What was it Jefferson said, "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God."? Methinks its past time for folks to start obeying their God.

[Miller]

Originally posted by E-Sabbath
Guys, remember, it's kinda crude to express glee over a person's death. He may have been satan in human form, but it really just makes you look bad.

No it isn't, yes he was, and no it doesn't.

[Publius]

I've made this point before, but the satisfaction I feel in knowing that a man as evil as Idi Amin is dead relates directly to my knowledge that no other good people will ever know his evil.

It's a zero-sum game; the happier a sadist like Idi Amin is, the more miserable things are for humanity at large.

[fruitbat]

No it isn't, yes he was, and no it doesn't.

That was both beautiful and elegant. Well said.

[jackelope]

quixotic78, that is a load of useless, sanctimonious bullshit. This isn't a case of "hate breeding hate." Idi wasn't driven by hate; Idi was fucking evil. This is a case of "evil breeds hate." And if it's wrong to celebrate the removal of a large piece of evil from the world, then be sure not to mourn when good is removed from it either, OK?

And this is just fucking nonsense:do you really need the catharsis? Did this guy do something to you personally? To someone you know? Have you been traumatized by his evilness? Been counting down the days to his death, just so you can close a painful chapter in your life? No? Then "release" is a red herring, a non sequitir, post hoc justification for spewing bile.I never visited the Twin Towers or the Pentagon, and I knew no one who was killed or even harmed by the 9/11 attacks; therefore I am presumably unjustified in my hatred of Osama bin Laden?

Evil exists. Idi was the real deal, and now he is dead. The world is better for it. This calls for champagne.

[Mehitabel]

*bump*

Interesting set of articles in the (Kampala)Daily Monitor (http://www.monitor.co.ug/specialincludes/ugprsd/amin/articles/amin10.php). Seems to be their main Idi page.

From the editorial:

>The complacence that Amin’s death has garnered is dangerous because current and future despots may see it as a blank cheque to commit murder in the certainty that posterity will rinse their rancid souls in polite sentimental bleach. If a leader stinks, we should not just switch on the air-conditioning. We must make them smell their filth. Even in death.

[Count Blucher]

...and in other news, womens clothing shops all over Africa seem to have sold out of Red Dresses almost over night...