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Dinsdale
08-26-2003, 04:04 PM
On guys.

On what occasions and under what conditions do you feel it is acceptable for a guy to go shirtless.

I was thinking of this while running today. It was over 90 and humid. My route starts in downtown Chicago, goes along the lakefront, and ends back in downtown. When it is this hot I often take my tanktop off when I get to the lake, and only put it back on when I have finished. Anything wrong with that?

Does it matter what age/shape the guy is in?

Other than the obvious swimming, and IMO many/most strenuous sports/games in hot weather, I generally feel it is preferable for guys to keep their shirts on. Basically out of politenes - consideration for those around them who may not care to see all that skin. Certainly shirts are appropriate while eating with others.

My basic preference is to wear as few clothes as possible. Shorts, no shoes or socks, no shirt. But as I've aged (42), I've started wearing a shirt more and more. A tank top when working around the house (also for sun protection). If going out or having folk over, I go to at least a sleeveless tee, with more shoulder coverage. Maybe if I'm at a picnic and we play volleyball or hoops, the shirt might come off. But then I'll put it back on when done.

Whaddya think?

Oh yeah. Just so you don't think I'm sexist, I would have no objection to women taking their tops off...

lieu
08-26-2003, 04:18 PM
Shirt on or off, doesn't matter to me. Just don't let me catch you in a sports bra.

Duderdude2
08-26-2003, 04:21 PM
I concur with lieu.

Casey1505
08-26-2003, 04:34 PM
So, fellas, you'd be OK if you were sitting on your front porch enjoying a beverage, and Dinsdale came jogging by in this? (http://www.spikybras.com/)

I leave my shirt on unless the potential for a swim is imminent. I've got that pasty Irish complexion, and I'm a little soft in the middle. I try to show consideration for others

rocking chair
08-26-2003, 05:31 PM
after viewing your link, i must issue the following warning:

you'll put your eye out!

Shade
08-26-2003, 06:32 PM
Sequential thread titles:

What questions should I ask of a prospective roommate?
Your views on toplessness.

CharlesW
08-26-2003, 06:34 PM
My rules for myself. In public shirt is on. Trying to get a good tan now so when doing yard work I tend to do so in shorts, and go topless. I don't think anyone wants to see me without a shirt so I put one on before going anywhere. If I can loose another 50lbs or so then I might do my walks without a shirt (Vegas gets hot!). I don't mind seeing people without shirts (male or female) in public, but I'm not good looking enough to do so.

Krisfer the Cat
08-26-2003, 06:35 PM
Me likes guys without shirts. Its like that hot dog commercial big ones, small ones, fat one, skinny ones. I admit to a mid range preference between fat and skinny.. but shrug if I am seeing nipples and or chest hair I'm happy.

Aint summer in the desert great?

fireman
08-26-2003, 07:43 PM
All the manly men in my area wear their jeans and workboots, but will run around without their shirts.

Krisfer the Cat
08-26-2003, 07:45 PM
ON MY WAY, FIREMAN!


jeans and workboots *droooool*

fireman
08-26-2003, 07:56 PM
OK, I have my steel toed 8" Rocky boots (fawn color), and my well worn but still good Levi's ready to go. I'll even throw on a tool belt as a fashion accessory.;)

if6was9
08-26-2003, 07:57 PM
I'm a caring individual, so under NO circumstances do I take off my shirt! ;)

Krisfer the Cat
08-26-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by fireman
I'll even throw on a tool belt as a fashion accessory.;)

yummmmmm...

Why is a man with stuff on his belt so damned sexy?

twickster
08-26-2003, 08:12 PM
If the guy is doing something sweaty, and has an okay bod (by which I mean, no breasts), I don't have a problem with it. Sitting around on the porch -- shirt, pls.

BrotherCadfael
08-26-2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by lieu
Shirt on or off, doesn't matter to me. Just don't let me catch you in a sports bra. Actually, lieu, if the guy needs a sports bra, I'd just as soon he wore one...

Sunspace
08-26-2003, 08:30 PM
:: back to the gym for me! ::

I have no major preferences about toplessness on anyone. Toplessness is legal in Ontario for both sexes, but almost no-one does it unless they're young and good-looking.

Having been to nudist events, I can confirm that the novelty of bare skin goes away after about 5 minutes. If you are physically interested in a person, you probably would have been interested in then bare skin or not. Nudist events are very educational because they show us exactly how far most of us are from the fashionistas' tyrranical "ideals". No-wonder they've been discouraged.

Krisfer said:
Why is a man with stuff on his belt so damned sexy?The belt, with its jutting tools, is symbolic of our ...power to reshape the universe to our desires. Yeah, that's it. :)

burundi
08-26-2003, 08:35 PM
I'm all for toplessness. Hell, it's been hot enough here that I wish I could be sitting on my front porch nekkid.

BrotherCadfael
08-26-2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by lieu
Shirt on or off, doesn't matter to me. Just don't let me catch you in a sports bra.

BrotherCadfael
08-26-2003, 08:45 PM
Damn hampsters...

Originally posted by lieu
Shirt on or off, doesn't matter to me. Just don't let me catch you in a sports bra. Actually, lieu, if the guy needs a sports bra, I'd just as soon he wore one...

hebesphenomegacorona
08-26-2003, 09:03 PM
Now that's the double post from hell.

Grelby
08-26-2003, 09:06 PM
A female friend of mine raised an interesting point to me once.

She complained to me that it wasn't fair that guys can go around shirtless, yet women could not. She used a rather muscular male friend as an example. She pointed out that muscles could be just as sexual as breasts, particularly because he was in better physical shape than she was. I tend to agree with her. The most obvious argument with her logic is that all women have breasts to some extent, while not all men are particularly muscular. But there are people of BOTH sexes I'd rather not see topless, in approximately equal numbers. So it's all the same to me.

In my case, I try to keep my shirt on, mostly because of my pale skin. That's as much for my protection as anyone else's. I don't want to burn, even though I'm not all that scary without shirt. Not particularly attractive (I'm pretty skinny) but I'm not saggy or anything. I don't really like going shirtless much, though, except in my own house.

Sunspace
08-26-2003, 09:32 PM
But women can, where I live. And they don't. Drat.

Olive, The Other Reindeer
08-26-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Sunspace
But women can, where I live. And they don't. Drat.

Except for the 15 yr old windshield washers.

Women can't where I live. And I would (and have on occasion). Drat.

look!ninjas
08-26-2003, 10:25 PM
I've no problem with guys going topless. If I don't want to see, I don't have to look.

lieu
08-27-2003, 08:52 AM
Jeez Casey1505, that link was hilarious. Reminded me of what my tub looked like when I tried to recaulk it.

Casey1505
08-27-2003, 08:56 AM
Your tub's a C-cup?

cowgirl
08-27-2003, 09:06 AM
During the "Should it be legal for women to go topless" debate in Toronto there was a great cartoon of a lardy old man without his top on, with big nasty man-breasts, scolding his wife to put her shirt back on because she looked disgusting. Very good.

Myself, I think topless is okay if necessary - ie during or immediately following athletic activities, swimming, physical labour etc. (For many women being topless during an athletic activity is a less-than-optimal choice, so I wear a sports bra.) The t-shirt goes on when someone who was not part of the activity is present.

Ferret Herder
08-27-2003, 09:28 AM
I went over to my inlaws' house earlier in the week for my father-in-law's 70-somethingth birthday. We arrive and find my FIL without his shirt on. It's in the 90s and they don't have the AC running, just a fan here and there. Sorry, but not only do I not even want to look at his sweaty and naked upper body, I sure as hell do not want to hug him hello. :eek: (My husband insisted on putting their AC unit in the window.)

DaddyTimesTwo
08-27-2003, 09:33 AM
BrotherCadfael stole my reply.

Olive, The Other Reindeer, exactly what is the story behind the topless 15 yo window washers?

Unless they're boys, in which case forget about it.

Really Not All That Bright
08-27-2003, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by Casey1505
So, fellas, you'd be OK if you were sitting on your front porch enjoying a beverage, and Dinsdale came jogging by in this? (http://www.spikybras.com/)


The most disturbing and yet somehow alluring, ah, female enhancement product I've yet seen... I love how the spikes are referred to as "soft little silicone kisses" when clearly, they're the worn studs from an old pair of rugby boots...

Krisfer - real men keep their toolkits below the belt ;)

CrazyMonkey
08-27-2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by fireman
OK, I have my steel toed 8" Rocky boots (fawn color), and my well worn but still good Levi's ready to go. I'll even throw on a tool belt as a fashion accessory.;)
Allright, everyone sing along now....

It's fun to stay at the
YYYYYYYYYY M C A!!!
It's fun to stay at the
YYYYYYY M C A - hey!
;j ;j ;j ;j

auntie em
08-27-2003, 01:05 PM
My views: Certain men without shirts make me incredibly aware of the irony in the fact that what I have to cover up is MUCH smaller than what they get to let flap in the breeze!

Hijack:

Why is it that the word "topless" makes me think only of women, whereas "shirtless" makes me think of men?

Gatopescado
08-27-2003, 01:10 PM
.....is thru the knothole in my neighbor's fence.

____________
How is Rap like Porn? Both are better with the sound turned off.

Gundy
08-27-2003, 02:02 PM
I have seen my dad shirtless maybe twice in my life (once on a 100+-degree day while mowing the lawn, and once when I busted him and my mom doin' it....garhgalhhrhgr), and that's just fine by me. As a result, it kinda grosses me out to see men in the public way (other than the beach) without a shirt. However, I can recognize and understand the desire to go shirtless while running or playing another sport in hot weather.

A whole 'nother ball of wax is shirtlessness in the bleachers at a ballgame. It seems to me that the likelihood of a guy taking off his shirt at a game is inversely proportional to the attractiveness of said guy's body. I think it's rude to subject your neighbors at a ballgame to your armpit hair.

Incubus
08-27-2003, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by auntie em


Why is it that the word "topless" makes me think only of women, whereas "shirtless" makes me think of men?

I think it is because women are generally assumed to be wearing a bra underneath their shirt, but men aren't. 'Topless' implies someone is wearing nothing from the waist up. Since most guys (ahem) don't wear bras, its redundant to say a shirtless man is 'topless' IMO.

Its funny that advocates of letting women go topless actually use the word topfree to describe their activity.

As far as my views on toplessness, I see it as a matter of comfort. If it is hot out, fine. I don't think other people's attitudes should get in the way of being comfortable. During the summer, I am shirtless 90% of the time. In fact, I am also pantsless 90% of the time- you know what? I would say that during a quarter of the year, I probably just spend about 90% of my time in my underwear.

AskNott
08-27-2003, 06:27 PM
A good friend of mine is a topless bartender. He calls himself that because his pate is unsullied by hair.

Spectre of Pithecanthropus
08-27-2003, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Grelby
A female friend of mine raised an interesting point to me once.

She complained to me that it wasn't fair that guys can go around shirtless, yet women could not.

The much-vaunted privilege that men have of going shirtless is really quite restricted in practice. I certainly wouldn't go into a restaurant, bank, or grocery store without wearing a shirt. In fact, I really can't think of any place aside from the beach, a pool, or a nudist resort where men can doff their shirts.

What's really not fair is the fact that current mainstream fashion requires men to cover up so much more than women in virtually every setting. The much-vaunted privilege that men have of going shirtless is really quite restricted in practice. I certainly wouldn't go into a restaurant, bank, or grocery store without wearing a shirt. Sure, women have to cover their breasts, and their sex organs, and (most of) their butts...and apart from those stipulations, anything goes for them.

But with men it's different, and far more restricted. We have warm summers where I live, and I'd love to be able to wear shorts that were worthy of the name, without observers thinking at best how clueless my fashion sense is, and at worst making inaccurate conclusions about my sexual preferences. And of course I'm not talking about Daisy Dukes or anything similarlty outrageous, but just anything shorter than what they think's cool down at the local skate park. You younger Dopers might not realize it, but it wasn't so long ago that such shorter shorts were entirely en vogue for men. Now they're definitely not, and it's just so...stifling.

Giggle Gaggle
08-27-2003, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by auntie em
Why is it that the word "topless" makes me think only of women, whereas "shirtless" makes me think of men?

The general term for a female upper-body garment is a "top". The general term for a male upper-body garment is a "shirt".

Spectre of Pithecanthropus
08-27-2003, 06:32 PM
...Sorry for the lousy editing!!

shelbo
08-27-2003, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by auntie em
Why is it that the word "topless" makes me think only of women, whereas "shirtless" makes me think of men?

It does, it does. However, if Dinsdale had used the word "shirtless" in the tread title, this thread would not have had nearly so many views!

Krisfer the Cat
08-27-2003, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Incubus
During the summer, I am shirtless 90% of the time. In fact, I am also pantsless 90% of the time- you know what? I would say that during a quarter of the year, I probably just spend about 90% of my time in my underwear.

I'm not married to you am I?:confused:

Sunspace: mmmmm jutting tools..

dutchboy208....*eyes your toolbelt yeah*

Susanann
08-27-2003, 09:11 PM
Its not the showing of the "female breast" that is illegal, it is the showing of the "female nipple". Women can wear the tiniest bikinies, and the lowest cut tops, without being arrested as long as the nipple is covered, or a pastie is worn.

Yet, men also have nipples, and can show nipples in public without being arrested since 1938.

At least prior to 1938, the law was consistent, when no nipples were allowed to be shown in public, by either sex.

Zebra
08-27-2003, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by rocking chair
after viewing your link, i must issue the following warning:

you'll put your eye out!

I think you'll put both eyes out.

Olive, The Other Reindeer
08-27-2003, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by DaddyTimesTwo
Olive, The Other Reindeer, exactly what is the story behind the topless 15 yo window washers?

Unless they're boys, in which case forget about it. [/b]

No - they were girls.

When it became legal for women to appear in public topless in Toronto, some enterprising young girls took off their tops and waited at traffic lights to spritz Windex (tm) on a car windshield and wipe it off for tips. It made the news in NYC, but I think the practice was outlawed - not for nakedness, but because it was akin to panhandling (which is still unlawful in Toronto). It's the fact that windshield washing is a standard way for NYC indignants to 'earn' money that made it newsworthy down this way (and such practice is actually considered a criminal act in NYC).

Bibliovore
08-28-2003, 06:34 AM
You mean 15-year old girls were going topless and wiping down windshields at the lights? Does anyone else find this worrying, or is it just me?

In response to the OP, I'd say that it's fine for guys to go topless at the beach or the pool, but that they should probably cover up everywhere else. You're not going to get much warmer if you slip on a tank-top. And I'm not in perfect shape myself, but guys with saggy man-breasts should just stay indoors.

Dinsdale
08-28-2003, 08:28 AM
Do those spike bras come with a matching jockstrap?

A situation that often sort of surprises me is when I'll be walking down the sidewalk in downtown Chicago, and some guy will be just walking along without a shirt. No matter how good shape they are in, it always strikes me as a little odd in that context.

Also, yardwork in front of the house - much as I hate to admit it, however good shape I might be in, I'm not a 19-year old hardbody anymore (if I ever was), and its a pretty safe bet that pedestrians and drivers aren't really interested in seeing my bare chest.

And face it - unless you are really exerting yourself, it is rarely too hot for a loose fitting tanktop.

Finally, I'd like to observe that so far there have been over a thousand views so far on a thread that is basically about my nipples. Makes them stand up all perky and erect just thinking about it!

Casey1505
08-28-2003, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by Dinsdale
Do those spike bras come with a matching jockstrap?


Not matching, but yes. (http://www.clubrags.com/c24555.html)

metroshane
08-28-2003, 02:52 PM
I personally don't care for guys without shirts, unless of course it involves swimming.

I mean doesn't a light white cotton shirt actually keep you cooler?