Madonna and Britney push boundaries, result: masturbation

[Beagle]

Isn't it cute? (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030829/168/53rge.html)

[Beagle]

If there was ever a time for little air quotes, it's around "push boundaries." Maybe they are dating, who knows?

It's more like jumping on the gay bandwagon now. I'm considering a houseboy. My wife says so long as he can clean up. ;)

[hajario]

Typically, when my wife watches those award shows, I am in the office on the computer. She called me in to replay that particular scene for me. I am now rethinking my negative opinion of such shows. How hot was that?

Did you see the look on Britney's ex-boy friend's face? It was priceless.

Haj

[troub]

Jumping the gay bandwagon? I'm not sure if it's that or if it's that they know (as all women do) what kind of things we guys watch on Cinemax after 10:00 p.m. It's too bad that the hideous Aguilera-creature was hanging around.

[Plankspanker]

*cough* ratings war *cough*

i wonder how much they were paid for that...

[bettyspaghetti]

IMHO the FCC needs to grow a set

Are these woman bisexual? Are they choosing to be gay? or is it predetermined in their genes that they partcicipate in mutual masturabation in front of 70 million households? They need to grow up, sexy and sophisticated they ain't! Is Britney confused over Madonna's real intentions? Will Christina turn jealous? or was this staged just for the studio execs to get a hard on and be more easily greased and relieved of millions in royalties for the "artists"?

WOuld it be as universally accepted if two men were up on stage findling and kissing each other. Oh no, macho guys just want lesbo action, lesbo action is hot, lesbo action is money, we worship at the house of pussy -

[Little Nemo]

And what about poor Jenna Jamison?

[Tranquilis]

Sorry, not impressed.

Push boundaries? Don't Much think so, it's been done before (if not with cute faces).

Hot? I've seen better waiting in line to buy movie tickets.

Annoying? You betcha, when the VMA was all over the place this AM while I was trying to get news, and all they could talk about was this non-event.

*shrug*

[Psalex]

If I were an oft-criticized over-exposed nasal-voiced pop star with aspirations of longevity, I would wish to be associated with or mentored by Madonna.
So yes, if I were Brittany, I should want to kiss Madonna. It would be an honor, an
homage, and confirmation- much like the hope that kissing blarney stone would bestow eloquence upon the kisser.

It would also make the front page, the lead story, and a shared fantasy that would span generations of boys to men.

And yeah, it was really hot, even if they were just playin'

[Psalex]

If I were an oft-criticized over-exposed nasal-voiced pop star with aspirations of longevity, I would wish to be associated with or mentored by Madonna.
So yes, if I were Brittany, I should want to kiss Madonna. It would be an honor, an homage, and confirmation- much like the hope that kissing blarney stone would bestow eloquence upon the kisser.

It would also make the front page, the lead story, and a shared fantasy that would span generations of boys to men.

And yeah, it was really hot, even if they were just playin'

[ParentalAdvisory]

bettyspaghetti, you're kidding right?

Definitely hot.

[Blonde]

That's sort of....disgusting!

I mean, there's got to be at least a 20 year age gap between them, right? :p

[Eonwe]

Makes me wonder why so many people claim to respect Madonna for being her own woman.

[WotNot]

Originally posted by bettyspaghetti
Is Britney confused over Madonna's real intentions? Will Christina turn jealous? or was this staged just for the studio execs to get a hard on and be more easily greased and relieved of millions in royalties for the "artists"?

Tune in tomorrow!:D

[auntie em]

My first reaction, in light of the fact that the whole "Lisa Marie Presley kisses Glow-in-the-Dark Femme from Outer Space--er, I mean, Michael Jackson" scene has been played repeatedly by the networks as an example of the freaky stuff that goes down at the VMAs, is that this stunt was an attempt to parody and/or top the Lisa Marie/Michael Jackson scene.

[matt_mcl]

Madonna has been more or less openly bi for quite some time (take it away, kung fu lola!). She somehow manages to come out at every single MTV music video awards or almost every. (Remember 1993? Bi, bi, baby, bi bi! with three mostly naked women chair dancing? Okay, I don't remember it because I was 12 and Canadian and we had no cable, but I'm reliably informed of it by Hamish.)

[Beagle]

Originally posted by Little Nemo
And what about poor Jenna Jamison?

Madonna and Christina versus Jenna and Britney: See, Madonna really loves Christina... Anyway, in oil.

[matt_mcl]

En passant, I wonder how long it'll take before we see Justin Timberlake kiss Elton John.

Or Eminem.
I would pay to see that!

[Isabelle]

NOTHING Madonna does suprises me. She can't shock me anymore. Brittney on the other hand what did she get out of it? I thought she was supposed to be trying to clean up her act for the young'ns. She has thrown her virginity around for so long is she now turned on by women?

[Hamlet]

Anyone who thinks this was anything other than an attempt to increase publicity for two "musicians" is completely deluded. It is a shame that a sexual orientation seems to be like a mink coat that you can pretend to try on in a bid to get people to pay attention to you.

[Taoiseach]

Originally posted by bettyspaghetti
IMHO the FCC needs to grow a setWell, the FCC could grow 'em the size of basketballs and it wouldn't change a thing at MTV - the FCC doesn't regulate cable stations, only broadcast (in other words, if you can't get it with the rabbit ears on your TV, the FCC can't touch it).

I've only seen the pictures on Yahoo!; couldn't be bothered wasting my time with the VMAs when I had paint I could be watching dry. :rolleyes: What surprised me wasn't Brittany and Madonna, or Crustina and Madonna, (or even Brittany and Crustina, had that happened), but that the one close up shows Madonna all very prim (by the standards of stunt lesbian kissing) and Brittany pulling her tongue back after apparently shoving it down Madonna's throat.

"Hot, or not?" I dunno. Brittany is pointless, being nothing more right now that a younger version of Anna Nicole Smith or Kato Kaelin. What has she done in the past 2-3 years besides be constantly photographed by London's The Sun in various states of undress (oooh, ahhh)? Madonna is the perfect representation of MTV: 20 years ago, both were edgy and irreverent. Now both are aging, sagging wannabes of themselves, doing anything to extend their "15 minutes" just one tick more, and only proving that, in today's pop culture, they are irrelevant. MTV and Madonna have both "jumped the shark".

[verbenabeast]

I felt honestly cheated! I hear all the hushed whispers... the rumour, the innuendo... the gasps and the giggles... I say to myself " 'Beast them girls musta got DOWN! they musta really tried to one-up TaTu or something..." and what'd I get?!?! the Madonna/Britney kiss was good... but I am surprised the still photos came out at all, cuz it was over so quick... then they cut instantly to a shot of Timberlake (that shot was longer than the kiss btw) and the television audience missed Madonna/Christina pretty much altogether...


it was OK.... but not worth the hype... and not worth a download. the still is much better.

[Chefguy]

::yawn...::

[Gatopescado]

Yuck!

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How is Rap like Porn? Both are better with the sound turned off.

[Svt4Him]

Originally posted by Hamlet
Anyone who thinks this was anything other than an attempt to increase publicity for two "musicians" is completely deluded. It is a shame that a sexual orientation seems to be like a mink coat that you can pretend to try on in a bid to get people to pay attention to you.

Well, it did work for TATU didn't it?

[hardygrrl]

I was wondering if Madonna got a taste of Timberlake or Durst ball sweat. Or conversely, could the pop skanks still get a hint of Rodman?

[av8rmike]

Originally posted by hardygrrl
I was wondering if Madonna got a taste of Timberlake or Durst ball sweat. Or conversely, could the pop skanks still get a hint of Rodman? Or Sean Penn?

[Beagle]

Now both are aging, sagging wannabes of themselves Dude(ette?), you need some visual testing done. Madonna could bench press me. She sagged more in 1984. Hey, that rhymes. The rest of your post seemed fine. Just get that vision thing worked out. MTV does suck, BTW.

[BoBettie]

WOuld it be as universally accepted if two men were up on stage findling and kissing each other

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAY! It would in MY livingroom.

Anyway, skank-o-rama. I wouldn't french kiss Madonna with Diane's tongue. Blech. She's a skank.

[Shodan]

Cripes, isn't Madonna's fifteen minutes up yet?

I feel a little sorry for Britney. She gains nothing from being associated with this overdone skank. Madonna is only proving once again that she would fellate a donkey on pay-per-view if she thought people would watch.

I thought posing for Playboy was the traditional next-to-last step for the soon-to-be has-beens.

If Britney wanted to fake gay, why didn't she pick someone attractive?

Eww.

Regards,
Shodan

[The Man With The Golden Gun]

I agree with Hamlet. This is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at attention whoring.

[Ogre]

we worship at the house of pussy -

Yep. Sounds just about right to me.

[Bongmaster]

I agree it is sort of pathetic.
I agree that they are doing it to cause people like us to talk about it in places like this.
I know there is almost no chance that it was anything more than a publicity stunt.

But damn, I still thought it was hot!

[Beagle]

Hmmm... A "gay bandwagon." Funny how phrases can just pop out when I type fast. Wonder what those Queer Eye dudes could do with a bandwagon? Would it be a performance bandwagon? Would it be frilly and femme? I think the former, but you never know. Then you could have some "bear" influence. Just read about that.

I agree with all those people who said it's a publicity stunt if that wasn't clear through all my remarks. OTOH, if Madonna and Britney "not a virgin" Spears show up arm-in-arm for the next few weeks, then it's a really good publicity stunt.

[Zebra]

Originally posted by bettyspaghetti


WOuld it be as universally accepted if two men were up on stage findling and kissing each other. Oh no, macho guys just want lesbo action, lesbo action is hot, lesbo action is money, we worship at the house of pussy -


I guess you didn't watch the Tony Awards.

That's where all the hot man/man action was this year.

[Tanaqui]

I guess you didn't watch the Tony Awards.

That's where all the hot man/man action was this year. What, where?

Pictures please.

[Wolfian]

Originally posted by bettyspaghetti
we worship at the house of pussy -

Well I did, but my local church turned me away. :(

In all seriousness, lighten up. Was it staged? Duh. It was also two beautiful women exploring each other in my living room. Hotness. If two guys wanted to go at it I wouldn't be a huge fan, but because I'm a "macho" guy, but because that isn't my bag. I can see how other might be aroused by that though.

[Peach]

was it surprising? No. thanks to lola's spoiler.
was it shocking? No. because nothing is shocking anymore.

I believe that Madonna kissed these girls to show the world that she is not threatened by their popularity as popstars- she literally embraces them!
And Brit & Christina did it to shake up their image as sex goddesses.
so there ya go.

[SanguineSpider]

Madonna was checking for bad breath... right? I think the cockroaches put them up to it, a distraction for the human masses whilst the roaches put their world domination plan into effect right under our very noses, damn them! Buy bug spray and go on a killing spree!!!

[teemingONE]

I thought it was hot, and I don't even like Madonna.

I wouldn't be as excited or interested if Timberlake kissed Cash. In fact I would very much not have liked it repeated over and over again.

But hey, thats just me.

[TeaElle]

I just think that it's funny that this whole scene came up during a parody/retread of Madonna's actually shocking "Like a Virgin" performance from the first VMAs back in 1984. That really was out there, with her rolling around on the floor, underwear exposed, humping the stage, moaning lasciviously. It was outer limits, and people talked about it for weeks and there was a great deal of discussion about how such things were really inappropriate for television, even cable television. That talk was coming from every corner, people from the "mainstream" entertainment media (please remember that MTV wasn't mainstream until around 1986 at the very earliest) were decrying the envelope-pushing engendered in Madonna's performance and it was one of the facets of her history which put her on the hit list for the "this has gone too far" crowd.

Cut to 2003. A well established international superstar takes on a sapphic scene with not one but two young up and comers of the same gender, including dancing, frotting, fondling and the two kisses, at least one of which was visually tongue-inclusive. The only people who have anything to say by way of complaint about the scene are the die-hard anti-gay crowd or the die-hard uberconservative modesty-decency set. (The former would certainly speak up, the latter just hate on Madonna, Britney and Christina on general principles, no matter what they're doing.) For most folks, the only reason why this is discussion worthy is because of the whole "two women kissing is hot" angle or the "oh they're boring, this faux-provocative bit is a yawn" angle, not because of a sense of (inter)national outrage.

Say what you will, times have changed.

They haven't changed enough, though, IMO, because had one of the Fab 5 from Queer Eye leaned over and smooched Jimmy Fallon with an open mouth and obvious tongue, the hue and cry today would be so great that you'd think that someone had blown up the Statue of Liberty or something. No question.

[teemingONE]

Yea but it was hotter when she kissed Britney and Christina.

[caveman]

*sigh* this silly "kissing" business has overshadowed a more important fact brought to light in this video: Christina's boobs seem to have surpassed Britney's in size at some point after the public commotion about Ms Spears' possible enhancement...

[Speaker for the Dead]

Did that make anyone think about the sketch on SNL where they wish to see some lesbian action, and then realize their mistake when two butch girls are making out and they turn to one another... "We forgot to say "hot"... HOT lesbian action! Nooooo!"

[Guinastasia]

Um, actually, there was some guy on guy action on SNL once-when Ian McKellen hosted, he planted one right on Jimmy Fallon. And he was in drag, too. That was pretty cool.

Ian McKellen is cool.

[kung fu lola]

Originally posted by Shodan
Cripes, isn't Madonna's fifteen minutes up yet?

Nope, because she's an ARTIST with STAYING POWER. She's worth more than 15 minutes. It's been 20 years now for her, an undeniable feat, especially in these "disposable" times. Suck it up.

And yes, matt's got it right. Madonna enjoys making love with both men and women (and believe me, being married hasn't stopped her).

I think everyone is overthinking this. It was just supposed to be hot and all in fun. Nothing more.

[Jodi]

I think everyone is overthinking this. It was just supposed to be hot and all in fun.

I underthought it, and my underthought was "Girls, you're trying too hard." And then I thought, "I wonder if there's any ice cream left?"

So no, I didn't think it was hot, but then girl/girl does nothing for me. I didn't think it was edgy -- Girls Kiss! Also, Fire Hot, Water Wet! But then my idea of sexy tends to be a bit more subtle than two (mostly) straight women putting their tongues down each others' throats at an awards show.

[AfterAugust]

Um, there is one thing about that picture that grosses me out.

Okay, either that thing in Brittany's open mouth is gum, or a really chewed up tongue. Blech....ewww......

[Ethwi Elestirne]

Originally posted by bettyspaghetti
IMHO the FCC needs to grow a set

Are these woman bisexual? Are they choosing to be gay? or is it predetermined in their genes that they partcicipate in mutual masturabation in front of 70 million households? They need to grow up, sexy and sophisticated they ain't! Is Britney confused over Madonna's real intentions? Will Christina turn jealous? or was this staged just for the studio execs to get a hard on and be more easily greased and relieved of millions in royalties for the "artists"?

WOuld it be as universally accepted if two men were up on stage findling and kissing each other. Oh no, macho guys just want lesbo action, lesbo action is hot, lesbo action is money, we worship at the house of pussy -
You rock, bettyspaghetti.

Originally posted by Psalex
much like the hope that kissing blarney stone would bestow eloquence upon the kisser.
My friend kissed the Blarney Stone...

[Seven]

Oh golly. Madonna kissed another woman. Dread, shock, blub-blub-blub.

Perhaps that would have been shocking when she was "like a virgin" but not now. Well,. not to most grown up people. Sadly, much of the world isn't grown up yet.

Madonna's 15 minutes are up. Her stunts are boring.

Thank you Madonna, drive though.

[Ethwi Elestirne]

Originally posted by Svt4Him
Well, it did work for TATU didn't it?
But they did it WELL.

[jamie1928]

While Brittney ,Madonna and Christine A ' music is not my type of music, I think they must have soe sort of talent or else they wouldn't have the popularity they do. As far as the kissing goes..it achieved what it was supposed to. People are talking about it.

[Shodan]

Nope, because she's an ARTIST with STAYING POWER. She's worth more than 15 minutes. Oh right, a major contributor to the world of art.

I hear in her next video, she is going to simulate singing.

Regards,
Shodan

[ParentalAdvisory]

Kinda tacky for the SDMB, but this is just too funny:




http://www.billetdesign.com/forum/files/justin-owned.jpg

[kung fu lola]

Originally posted by Ethwi Elestirne
But they did it WELL.

The big group of chicks who "kissed" during their act were faking it. It's a classic technique used onstage to make it look like two people are kissing, when they're really just putting their heads close together.

Originally posted by Shodan:
I hear in her next video, she is going to simulate singing.

Snark, snark, snark.
So, Shodan, when are YOU going to be in Guiness as the most sucessful female solo artist?

[Plankspanker]

yeah, but successful and good are not the same thing...

Need i mention bush's election?

[Shodan]

So, Shodan, when are YOU going to be in Guiness as the most sucessful female solo artist? [snooty voice] I don't measure my success by crass commercial standards. I want to be true to my Art.

For that reason, I refuse to sell out to the masses by photographing anything other than Jell-O in the shape of obscure eighteenth century prizefighters.
[/snooty voice]

Besides, I doubt it was their heads close together that caused my instinctive grossed-out reaction. It was their tongues close together.

Not that Madonna hasn't had worse things in her mouth.

Regards,
Shodan

[AfterAugust]

Originally posted by ParentalAdvisory
Kinda tacky for the SDMB, but this is just too funny:




http://www.billetdesign.com/forum/files/justin-owned.jpg

It could be a look of utter pity that she stooped to that.

[ParentalAdvisory]

Naw, she didn't stoop, she's an entertainer, and I was entertained. :) Plus after watching it 50 times, the kisses weren't really that long anyway. If only it lasted longer!!

[Guinastasia]

Hmmm, I can't decide what's more disgusting-kissing Xtina, or kissing the Blarney Stone. Xtina=total skank, but the I've heard that the local teenagers piss on the Blarney Stone late at night.

[Grelby]

Really!? There should be a t-shirt for that, too.

"I Pissed on the Blarney Stone."

Geez, they say kissing the thing is iffy (well, not THAT iffy, since so many tourists are walking around with those stupid shirts, but...), managing to piss on it without falling to a horrible death must take considerable skill...

[Little Nemo]

In retrospect, I think everyone will agree this was more entertaining that Howard Stern in his Fartman costume.

[Guinastasia]

I'm guessing they just go over to the guard rail or whatever and drop trou.

*shrugs* It could be an urban legend. I don't know.

[gluteus maximus]

Ya know what?

That was almost as sexy as Annette Funicello kissing Frankie Avalon.




Actually, it's the same.



Both Britney and Annette were Mouseketeers...

Neither Madonna nor Frankie were Mouseketeers...

All four of them were (ahem) singers...



It's the same.

[Jaade]

Originally posted by AfterAugust
Um, there is one thing about that picture that grosses me out.

Okay, either that thing in Brittany's open mouth is gum, or a really chewed up tongue. Blech....ewww......

OMG! I thought I was the only one who noticed that

[Jaade]

Originally posted by ParentalAdvisory
Kinda tacky for the SDMB, but this is just too funny:




http://www.billetdesign.com/forum/files/justin-owned.jpg

He doesn't look nearly as upset to me as some people had said...a bit disturbed, but not like tearful or anything...

But did you see the girl behind him?? Now the look on her face is pretty funny.

[gluteus maximus]

They both look jealous to me...




Jealous of who?

[OpalCat]

That isn't gum or her tongue, guys... you are seeing the stage lights on the other side of them--it's a *gap*

[teemingONE]

It was hot though!
I was watching the VMAs and I wanted so much for someone to kiss. When Britney and Christina were rolling around on the floor i was like " Kiss, Kiss, please kiss, please...". Then Britney and Madonna got close I was like "Yes.. just a little closer... yes...kiss... YEA!!!"

i thought it was hot.

[Rilchiam]

Originally posted by Guinastasia
Um, actually, there was some guy on guy action on SNL once-when Ian McKellen hosted, he planted one right on Jimmy Fallon. And he was in drag, too. That was pretty cool.


There was also an early SNL episode hosted by the late Walter Payton where, in one sketch, Payton kissed or was kissed first by Garret Morris (in drag), then Bill Murray (not in drag). And I think Murray kissed a horse at the very end of the sketch, just to round things out.