Is "Enterprise" relying on T' Pol's breasts to save the show a bad thing? [Archive]

astro

09-14-2003, 12:43 AM

I'm torn. I like seeing the shapely T' Pol, but the half dressed Vulcan scenarios are coming off as a bit too forced lately, to the point I feel kind of cheap afterward, and the new show of the third season I saw this evening pegs a new level on the pandameter.

Even if her silicone breasts can save the show... should they?

bernse

09-14-2003, 01:31 AM

Yes. Absolutely yes.

Actually, I'm all for an adult version to be released on DVD.

Rainbowthief

09-14-2003, 04:50 AM

If Jo Blalock couldn't act or the character was badly written, I'd be against it, but T'Pol is funny as hell and a great contrast to the human crew members, plus Blalock plays the hell out of the role, so I'm all for the accompanying eye candy.

It's a fantastic show, the best Trek since DS9, so I hope more people start watching it, no matter what it takes.

lesa

09-14-2003, 05:22 AM

It's a mistake, because it doesn't bring in female viewers. The only way to get the ratings they need is to bring in lots of viewers. They're banking everything on a ploy that only appeals to half the audience. They need more. Like, you know, good stories. New life, new civilizations, all that jazz.

GuanoLad

09-14-2003, 05:28 AM

I don't find her attractive. She's just too much, and they emphasise that in a very non-Vulcan way.

I felt the same as Seven of Nine. It's just an excuse for T&A to make the geeks drool.

N9IWP

09-14-2003, 08:32 AM

Using your casts beauty as a hook to get viewers who then stay because of the story is good (arguably good examples: Buffy, Alias). It when there is nothing else that it becomes a problem (I still have hope for Enterprise*)

Brian
*assuming I get to watch it. My UPN station broadcasts in name only with a 25 uW transmitter. The local Fox station carried seasons 1 & 2 (& voyager), but as far as I can tell not season 3.

Master Wang-Ka

09-14-2003, 08:41 AM

"Spring Break: Vulcans Gone Wild!"

Pffft.

Menocchio

09-14-2003, 09:06 AM

It wouldn't be bad if they could think of decent excuses to show 'em, but the panda is about as ham-fisted and poorly written as anything else on the show.

Example: there was no reason for her to disrobe during the "vulcanopressure" scene. And evenm if there was (and was thus moderately comfortable being topless around Trip), then she wouldn't have cupped her breasts like that. But alas, if she was straight-up topless or hiding herself in a more plausible manner, they couldn't have filmed the maximum allowable boobage.

Example: Hoshi falls through a hole while crawling around in the air ducts. It catches her shirt in just the right place to totally rip it off. Oh, and she wasn't wearing a bra.

Come on! If you insist on showing it, at least think of good reasons why! Have stuff happen in the shower. State that Vulcans have little to no nudity taboo, per se, and sleep/meditate in the nude. Hell, low cut off-duty outfits and forcing them to run around in underwearwould be acceptable, but don't insult my intelligence. Or I know, maybe someone could have sex!

It doesn't help taht I don't really find T'pol that attractive. Hoshi's better, but even harder to skank up, due to her character.

NoClueBoy

09-14-2003, 09:14 AM

Panda is fine, but it won't make or break the show. We want good story telling.

And hot monkey sex.

Fibber McGee

09-14-2003, 09:25 AM

Is "Enterprise" relying on T' Pol's breasts to save the show a bad thing?

Yes. I mean, they're nice breasts and all, but nice enough to save a boring POS show like Enterprise? I don't think so.

Wearia

09-14-2003, 11:34 AM

I don't care if they save the show, I'm waiting for mid 3rd season when they get desperate and turn it into the T'Pol and Hoshi Panda Hour.

Tangent

09-14-2003, 12:09 PM

Damn it! You can't have a thread title like this with no links to pictures!

Steve Wright

09-14-2003, 12:32 PM

Well. Season 2 is just starting transmission on terrestrial channels in the UK (literally so, the end-of-season-one recap is on screen as I type) .... so, when do I get to find out what all these "panda" references are about?

Fiver

09-14-2003, 12:58 PM

Uh, panda?

astro

09-14-2003, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Fiver
Uh, panda?

panda = pandering to... well you know.

Ephemera

09-14-2003, 01:04 PM

We should really have an Enterprise FAQ.

Panda refers to Berman and Braga pandering to the geeky sex-starved fanboy in all Trekkies by giving us gratuitous scenes with Naked Hoshi, Trip's Undies, and Vulcan Massage Techniques.

Lute Skywatcher

09-14-2003, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Tangent
Damn it! You can't have a thread title like this with no links to pictures! Will this (http://www.startrek.nl/images/maxim-blalock02.jpg) do? :D

(link goes to Maxim cover, no nudity)

Miller

09-14-2003, 07:58 PM

I tune in to Star Trek to look at boobs the same way I watch porno for the plot and characterization.

Look, if I want to see boobs, I've got the internet. If I'm watching an hour-long drama, I want to see good characters in good stories. If they're naked, that's great. But if the plot's boring and the acting sucks, I might as well be watching Butt Sluts 2.

astro

09-14-2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Tangent
Damn it! You can't have a thread title like this with no links to pictures!

Well... if you insist -

You did an adequate job with the Vulcupressure last time Trip. Will you assist me again? I shall reciprocate. (http://www.realm-o-tigger.com/tbwc/jolene2/newpics/JB_newscan03.jpg)

The Andorian slave keeper has stolen my clothing Captain. (http://www.realm-o-tigger.com/tbwc/jolene2/jolenemax02.jpg)

astro

09-14-2003, 08:44 PM

Wearia

09-14-2003, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by astro

You did an adequate job with the Vulcupressure last time Trip. Will you assist me again? I shall reciprocate. (http://www.realm-o-tigger.com/tbwc/jolene2/newpics/JB_newscan03.jpg)

The Andorian slave keeper has stolen my clothing Captain. (http://www.realm-o-tigger.com/tbwc/jolene2/jolenemax02.jpg)

Oh....my....god....
Thanks for that astro, I hadn't see those two pictures in that size/quality before. You just made my day.

Ephemera

09-14-2003, 10:04 PM

Okay, the first pic is nice since you can't see her face and all but can someone please tell me how the hell they can find her attractive in that second pic? Christ, she looks like she was caught head first in a rice picker or something.*

*A bowl of plomeek soup to the person to catch the reference. It's an easy one, people.

Love Rhombus

09-14-2003, 10:21 PM

Reference to Spock's ears from "City on the Edge Of Forever".

I remember this, and I still juxapose my address numbers sometimes? Sigh.

Duderdude2

09-14-2003, 11:16 PM

So how much do they show exactly? Anything beyond most other shows? If so, I might have to start tuning in...

tracer

09-14-2003, 11:23 PM

So ... what's her cup size again?

(The pictures, and the most recent episode's shots of her, make me think "D" -- but I know Blalock is really really tiny so those might only be C-cup boobies.)

Askance

09-14-2003, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Aesiron
Can someone please tell me how the hell they can find her attractive in that second pic? Christ, she looks like she was caught head first in a rice picker or something.*

By not looking at her head?

BTW any links to pictures of her in character??

astro

09-14-2003, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by tracer
So ... what's her cup size again?

(The pictures, and the most recent episode's shots of her, make me think "D" -- but I know Blalock is really really tiny so those might only be C-cup boobies.)

You're right, she's the only one with giant Vulcan cha-cha heel boots and she's barely as tall as Hoshi in work shoes (http://startrek.about.com/library/weekly/aa083001a.htm). The really odd thing is that Bakula is only 6 feet tall, and he's noticably taller than the rest of the cast in this pic. They must be the tiniest Enterprise crew ever.

The pic above is from this excellent series of high quality publicity still shots of the cast and crew. (http://startrek.about.com/library/weekly/aa083001.htm)

astro

09-14-2003, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by AndrewT
By not looking at her head?

BTW any links to pictures of her in character??

Here is an excellent quality shot of her in character (http://startrek.about.com/library/weekly/aa083001i.htm) from the the site referenced in the last post.

Askance

09-14-2003, 11:48 PM

Looks like the hairdresser who last worked on Julia Roberts as Tinkerbell has their job back. Truly dreadful. 7 of 9 has it all over this one.

Thanks folks.

tracer

09-15-2003, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by AndrewT
7 of 9 has it all over this one.
If that's the case, we'd better wipe her off.

Little Nemo

09-15-2003, 12:32 AM

I think they should rely less on T'Pol T and rely more on Hoshi A (http://www.fhmus.com/images/girls/lindapark/3big.jpg).

dropzone

09-15-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by Little Nemo
I think they should rely less on T'Pol T and rely more on Hoshi A (http://www.fhmus.com/images/girls/lindapark/3big.jpg). Hoshi, Hoshi, Hoshi, you are such a BAD girl! Finish pulling down your panties and get ready for a spanking!

Bruce_Daddy

09-15-2003, 09:13 AM

It's not "T&A" without the "A". I'm all for more shots of that luscious bottom on T'Pol. And wear the white "away suits" more often. And PAN DOWN!

sorry. . . .

Ephemera

09-15-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by AndrewT
By not looking at her head?

BTW any links to pictures of her in character??

Well, see, I'm a little strange.. for the most part, I judge a woman's beauty by her face and then her body and since Jolene Blalock has a horrendously frightening face, I just don't see how anyone could call her beautiful or even hot.

Sure, her body is, but Blalock herself? Uh-uh.

Lute Skywatcher

09-15-2003, 11:19 AM

Topless Hoshi (http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/Enterprise_Hoshi_sm.jpg)

tracer

09-15-2003, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Little Nemo
I think they should rely less on T'Pol T and rely more on Hoshi A (http://www.fhmus.com/images/girls/lindapark/3big.jpg).
Hmmm ... that picture looks a little funny. Is that Linda Park's face pasted on top of another woman's body, by any chance?

Ephemera

09-15-2003, 11:27 AM

Now there's a hottie. I've had that and the three FMH pics saved to my harddrive to a while now thanks to Tars. :D

Ephemera

09-15-2003, 11:32 AM

You and me at high noon tomorrow, tracer. I'll bring the phaser-cutting phasers. No one insults Hoshi!

astro

09-15-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by tracer
Hmmm ... that picture looks a little funny. Is that Linda Park's face pasted on top of another woman's body, by any chance?

It does look a bit odd, bit it should be real as she did do a cheesecake layout for the magazine. Here's another Hoshi. (http://www.fhmus.com/images/girls/lindapark/1big.jpg)

And yet another! (http://www.fhmus.com/images/girls/lindapark/2big.jpg)

She's pretty tasty.

Tars Tarkas

09-15-2003, 12:48 PM

Ahhhhh Hoshi.

That's who should save the show.

If they really wanted T & A, all of the MACOs should have been hot babes. But it looks like they are sticking with only one MACO babe, who will make more appearances coming up. I dislike this MACO babe and T'Pol as well, only because they steal screen time from Hoshi.

NoClueBoy

09-15-2003, 06:30 PM

I want to see some Porthos cheesecake.

Mmmm.... doggie...

I like it doggie style

What?

vivalostwages

09-15-2003, 10:52 PM

As long as you don't like it Phlox-style, it's fine.

Askance

09-16-2003, 12:40 AM

Prepare to be ass-imilated ...

Little Nemo

09-16-2003, 12:43 AM

Is that Linda Park's face pasted on top of another woman's body, by any chance?
No, that's Linda Park's head attached to Linda Park's scantily attired body. Which is a good thing.

Now I'm thinking about Linda Park's scantily attired body attached to my body. Which would be a very good thing.

tracer

09-16-2003, 08:41 AM

Why am I suddenly remembering Dogbert saying, "You can take her for rides in the Space Shuttle you'll never have either."?

Menocchio

09-16-2003, 09:33 AM

Not really a Blalock fan.

But being such a Flash fanboy I'm obligated to like any Asian woman named Linda Park.

Little Nemo

09-16-2003, 05:33 PM

If they really wanted T & A, all of the MACOs should have been hot babes. But it looks like they are sticking with only one MACO babe, who will make more appearances coming up. I dislike this MACO babe and T'Pol as well, only because they steal screen time from Hoshi.
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