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09-30-1999, 04:34 AM
I've stopped reading the religion, UFO, and evolution threads here, which hasn't left a lot else, so:
Pets: cats or dogs?
1. Cats don't drool.
2. Cats don't eat other animals' shit. You don't have to teach them not to; they figure it out on their own.
3. Cats (usually) don't smell bad, even if you don't bathe them.
3a. You don't have to bathe them.
4. If your cat likes you it's because it choses to, not because it was genetically incapable of anything else. A dog's respect is automatic, while a cat's respect must be earned.
5. With a few exceptions, cats talk only when something needs to be said. Dogs can spend _all day_ going "WOOF Woof Woof! <pause> WOOF Woof Woof! <pause> WOOF Woof Woof!..."
6. Cats are not awed by people. They don't think "Oh my god it's the master! Maybe he'll pet me! Maybe he'll throw the ball! OH MY GOD HE THREW THE BALL!!!!! THE MASTER THREW THE BALL!!! OH MY GOD!!!".
7. Cats pant only if they have heatstroke. Dogs pant all the time.
8. You don't have to walk cats. You can go away for a weekend, leaving out enough food and water, and the cat will be OK by itself while you're gone.
On the flip side of the coin:
1. Dogs are fun to play with if you have a big yard.
2. Cats only listen when it suits their fancy.
3. Dogs come in a wider variety of shapes and sizes (leaving aside wild cats).
4. You can make a dog feel bad that it did something wrong and easily modify it's future behavior. You can't make a cat feel bad about something it did. All actions taken by the cat are acceptable in the cat's eyes, and it's up to the human to adjust its outlook accordingly.
5. You can walk a dog on a leash and it'll go where you want to go. A cat will expect you go to where _it_ wants to go.
6. Puppies are chick magnets.
I like to visit dogs. They're fun to play fetch with. But for an animal to share your domicile with for up to two decades, definately cats.
Most other potential companion animals fail the "must by cuddly" test. Fish are not cuddly. Lizards are not cuddly. Birds are not cuddly. Pigs are not cuddly.
peas on earth
09-30-1999, 05:25 AM
The difference between cats and dogs:
A dog thinks: "This person feeds me, pets me, gives me a warm place to live. He must be God."
A cat thinks: "This person feeds me, pets me, gives me a warm place to live. I must be God."
09-30-1999, 06:16 AM
Personally I like cats and can't understand why "everybody" likes dogs so much.
And you can make a cat feel bad about his/hers wrongdoings just as long as _it_ hasn't grown up and started to think of itself as a deity
09-30-1999, 07:01 AM
Good one, Poly! I plan on steal... er, using it when appropriate.
Oh, and if anyone is keeping score at home, Satan is definitely a cat person. Read into that what you will...
09-30-1999, 03:26 PM
Definately cats. The reasons extolling the virtues of cats in the OP are right on target.
I don't like dogs much at all. As a biologist, I have a heart for most critters, including dogs. But only in an abstract kind of way. I wouldn't ever want one around as a pet. I can respect dogs that perform tasks or are generally useful for certain purposes, but to just have a slobbery, smelly, or yap-yappy nuisance around? I don't think so.
And I think dogs are generally pretty stupid animals. Yes, they are loyal and loveable (I guess to some people), and they can be trained; sortof like Nature's version of Forrest Gump.
09-30-1999, 03:39 PM
Neither. I think the amount of money some people spend on animals is ridiculous.
09-30-1999, 03:39 PM
09-30-1999, 03:51 PM
As a pig, I am offended by your assertion that we are not cuddly.
Cats are better as pets for me. Dogs make wonderful companions and partners, they are great for hunting, chasing away foxes, rescuing drowning toddlers and hypothermic mountaneers, catching frisbees, and getting nervous before tornadoes. Of those, cats can only manage the latter, plus controlling rodent populations.
But dogs are too high-maintenance for me, and most people I know, many of whom own highly understimulated dogs. I'll say, "Looks like your pooch wants to go for a walk". They'll let pooch into the backyard.
That doesn't quite do the trick for a dog that has been bred for countless generations to chase sheep all day. So the dog will have to get exercise by jumping into people's laps, getting pushed on the floor, dropping cow-bones on people's bare feet, looking upset when barefoot people scream in pain, etc.
Wouldn't a self-grooming, self-entertaining, poo-burying tabby be much more practical?
Gross generalizations follow:
Dogs. Definitely. They are cheerful, accomodating, affectionate, and loyal. Cats are not. I prefer dogs to cats for the same reasons I prefer cheerful people to snotty people. You can do no wrong in the eyes of a dog; you can do no right in the eyes of a cat. And while the actual cat may not smell, the out-put from a cat smells terrible; nothing can ruin an apartment like a cat. A dog would give his life for you; a cat wouldn't even notice you were gone.
09-30-1999, 04:15 PM
I like big, "proper" dogs; golden retrievers, huskies, labs. I don't understand the appeal of the "furry rat" variety of dog (prejudice: I had a roommate whose Chihuahua would steal my underwear. It was a girl dog, too. Maybe he trained her to do that). Any full-sized dog that is well trained is OK by me.
However, I'm going to go with cats as the better pet. Cats are easier to care for: I've left my cat at home while I went on a vacation with a big bowl of food and water with no problems (I did have a friend check up on her). Cats don't pant in your face with nasty breath. Cats don't bark all day and piss off the neighbors. Cats are friendly but not obsequious. They'll greet you at the door, wander over for a cuddle, but they'll leave you alone when you want. Unless you're reading a newspaper. Well, everyone has some flaw.
"Eppur, si muove!" - Galileo Galilei
09-30-1999, 04:18 PM
Cats are in league with the Devil. Had they done their job, the Bubonic Plague wouldn't have happened. But they were too busy playing with a ball of string, while millions died.
They are sneaky, under-handed, parisitical, arrogant little fur ball generators, nothing more.
We had a cat for 12 years. When he died of old age, I did not grieve. My wife, on the other hand, was inconsolable for weeks.
There was always an undercurrent of hostility between the cat and I, but for the most part, we simply refused to acknowledge each other's existence.
We have a dog, now. He thinks I am 100% okay.
I respect his opinion.
According to the Pope, a woman can be a saint, but not a priest.
09-30-1999, 04:25 PM
You ever walk into a cat owners house and know right away that there was cat crap buried nearby? My wife ,NOT ME, but my wife owns two elderly female cats, that SHE has had since they were kittens. They live better than Donald Trump! I refuse to feed them, pet them, and will only look at them if they act as if they need to go outside and crap. Cats are probably the most filthy animals on the face of the earth. Have you ever seen a cat wash it's paws after taking a dump? No, they use their paws to bury their turds, and then climb all over your furniture. A litter box, or a cat that's recently been in one or dug a hole outside, carries with them a who's who in deadly disease. It took me five years to finally get rid of that cauldron of disease called a litter box, and we live in a house with a nice yard for them to do their nasty business in. I know, dogs are dirty too, but Fido's not going to give you "Dog Scratch Fever". But fear not Opal, I'm not mean to wifey's little hairballs, I just hate them.
09-30-1999, 04:54 PM
Hm, is it just me or have all the pro-dog people been far more vituperative than the pro-cat people?
Even as an avowed cat person, I had to laugh at the Onion headline I saw:
"Cats. Pets for people who want boxes of shit in their house."
"Eppur, si muove!" - Galileo Galilei
09-30-1999, 05:07 PM
I am a definite cat person. I think energy level has a lot to do with it--most dogs are just too damn hyper all the time, for no reason. That bugs me.
My cat has a single daily dose of hyperactivity, usually from around 11:00 to 11:30 at night. Other than that, she moves for the purposes of food, elimination, and personal hygiene, and that's it. I can see her point.
I like dogs, I just wouldn't want to have one around all the time.
PS: For the record, my cat does drool. Not to the copious Rottweiler level or anything, but she does drool.
09-30-1999, 05:40 PM
Right on, Bubba!
Hang in there. You'll outlive the pompous little buggers.
09-30-1999, 08:19 PM
Cats rule! Dogs drool!
Now that I have gotten that cliché out of my system, I have to say that I've never met a cat I didn't like. The number of dogs that I like I can count without having to resort to a second digit. Cats are quieter, more self-sufficient, and tidier than dogs. At least cats bury their shit, as opposed to leaving it out in the open where any other dog can eat it. Plus, there's the excitability issue. When I was growing up, I had a dog named Snowball. Perhaps "had" is the wrong term, she is alive and well and living with my dad. In any event, While I was staying with him over summer break, I got into the habit of taking her for walks late at night. She got used to this, and now, every time I emerge from my bedroom, she immediately dashes off to the shelf where we keep the leash. Every goddamn time! Cats never do this! That's why I like my feline friends.
09-30-1999, 08:38 PM
I'm a cat lover at heart but I always liked this one:
"Cats are a waste of otherwise valuable space."
What I always wonder about dogs is, what's with the deal with the "pattern barking"? There's a dog just down the street from me and for hours upon hours, nonstop, it'll go, "WOOOOOOOF woofwoofwoofwoofwoof (pause) WOOOOOOOF woofwoofwoofwoofwoof (pause)". And it just repeats that pattern over and over, tirelessly.
Somebody earlier mentioned Huskies. I do like Huskies - those are cool dogs - my friend has one. Not so hyper (usually), pretty smart, and very friendly. And not so annoying like the little yip-at-your-ankles dogs.
peas on earth
09-30-1999, 08:51 PM
1. Dogs have never tried to sit on my face when I'm sleeping.
2. Cats make me sneeze.
3. Ever heard of a guardcat?
" <--- My own personal quote. I call him Doug.
09-30-1999, 08:59 PM
Either or both. Not to be a pantywasist, but there are cats and CATS and dogs and DOGS.
But that said---dogs, by a mile. They are funny, loyal, stubborn and completely devoted. It always amazes me that people say cats are more intelligent and manipulative. Dogs, by their unconditional love, get you where you live and manage to change you. Cats--and yes, I do love them--are more like air plants, Spanish moss or something. They hang around and are more independent in the sense they're less care. But, IMO, they give less, too.
I purely love dogs. I love the fact that this hunting species has accepted human into their pack behavior. I love that my dog forces me to get out and get the exercise we both need. Tossing her into the tub (and she's a big dog!) isn't tough. Besides, her acting and antics make the whole thing a hoot. I love that she and I are a pack of two, and that she gives me so much more in unconditional love than she ever asks back.
Dogs WORK with people; cats just tolerate us. I like that extra, making a bond with another species that's so complex.
Watching the pup, snoozing on
10-01-1999, 07:14 AM
Rysdad...Re #3. Certainly. Cats will defend what they feel is important enough to. It's just that their idea of what's important and ours doesn't always coincide.
I once observed a 9-year-old black cat and a dachshund puppy team up to drive a full-grown German shepherd out of a yard. The humor value of that was immense!
10-01-1999, 07:40 AM
My friend has a cat, Chelsea. One day I was over her house, enjoying an adult beverage and listening to some tunes. Next thing you know, her cat attacked me! I kicked the thing off of me screaming. Elaine calmly explained, "You were tapping your foot." AAAAHHHH!
10-01-1999, 02:01 PM
Definitely dogs. Large dogs especially, since I was raised by German Shepherds (only half joking here). And I get along with almost every dog I "meet." Many people have told me, "I don't understand it, [my dog] doesn't like anyone, but he/she just came right up to you."
It's been said that dogs view people as "family," but cats view people as "staff."
10-01-1999, 02:22 PM
I must register my vote in favor of cats.
True, they're not as overly affectionate as dogs. But once you are deemed worthy, it's worth it - a cat will curl up on your lap and keep you company while you read (well, anything but a newspaper), purring all the while.
Re: alcoholic cats, my Gimp is dangerous around pina coladas. I make them in the blender from the Bacardi mix, and for some reason the insane beast loves the taste. He'll leap on the counter and clean the blender out for me if I'm not careful.
10-01-1999, 03:26 PM
Well, I'm kinda surprised by you people with the litter box complaints. I've never once stepped in cat droppings, I've stepped in dogs' more times than I can count. On sidewalks, lawns, baseball diamonds, basement floors, etc. Yeah right, responsible dog owners clean it up. So that means the crap I have to hose off my shoes was left by that pet of an irresponsible person. That makes me feel a ton better.
10-01-1999, 03:38 PM
I'll go with dogs. My parents bred bulldogs growing up, and they were the sweetest animals ever.
I had a cat when I was about 6 or 7, but I only wanted it because I thought it was going to grow up to be a lion. Since I found out that it was going to STAY that size (and also that I was allergic), I've had little use for the whole lot of 'em.
I vote for dogs. I've had both but I think dogs have waaaaaay better personalities and make life fun. Cats are pretty boring and totally neurotic.
10-01-1999, 04:07 PM
Kind of a moot point since my landlord won't let me have either ... but definitely cats. They're clean, quiet, and beautiful, and they DON'T force their attentions upon you. I can deal with dogs if they're large and sedate (the little yappy ones ought to be shot), but even the nice ones insist on licking my face, and they have HORRIBLE breath. Ugh.
"Had I been around at the creation, I would have given some useful hints for the better ordering of the universe."
- Alfonso X
10-01-1999, 05:41 PM
alcoholic cats, my Gimp is dangerous around pina coladas
You need to be careful with that - I might be wrong here, but I recall reading somewhere that alcohol is poisonous to cats. Something about their livers can't process it like ours' can.
peas on earth
10-01-1999, 05:51 PM
Dogs WORK with people; cats just tolerate us
Cat's "just tolerate" _some_ of us.
Others, they can be amazingly affectionate towards. But they act this way towards people they deem suitable, not just everyone automatically.
My cat is as affectionate with me as any dog I've ever seen (although in less of a "pushy" way), but she's indifferent, bordering on aloof, to most strangers.
Respect is earned, not demanded. Holds true for people and cats.
peas on earth
10-01-1999, 08:06 PM
"They stare from windows with eyes of hate.
In ev'ry street, they watch and wait.
In ev'ry city, so smugly curl'd,
Cats are waiting to take over the world."
-- T.S. Eliot (I think)
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10-01-1999, 10:06 PM
I agree with Gaudere I love big ol' floppy dogs you can wrestle with and play pull the rag and are fun.
I like cats as well but if it is small it oughtta be a cat.
10-01-1999, 10:19 PM
I guess I should clarify my earlier post about 'guardcats.'
For mice: A cat
For burglars: A dog
10-01-1999, 11:09 PM
I stand by my original statement.
I was fortunate enough to accepted by a great, loving, funny Maine Coon Cat, and know that (as in my original post) there are cats and CATS and dogs and DOGs...
But only dogs WORK with humans as companion animals to old people and troubled childen, as guides for the physically and visually disabled, to find explosives and cadavers and those buried alive, to herd and track and retrieve.
Sure, cats are great. I've love 'em for all they are. But not even horses match dogs as companions, helpmates and extended "family" across species.
Want easy? Get a cat.
10-02-1999, 02:57 AM
as guides for the physically and visually disabled, to find explosives and cadavers and those buried alive, to herd and track and retrieve.
True, you don't see many seeing-eye cats. Although there _was_ the small matter of trying to keep the bubonic plague in check in Europe (and we humans expressed our gratitude by killing them for it). And if you're gonna count herding, you also have to count the cats that were kept on sailing ships to keep the rodent population down. And don't pigs find those truffle things? :-) There are also rats that work with electricians by running wiring through small inaccessable places in old buildings.
I don't think that the same qualities that make a good rescue animal necessarily make a good pet. I don't care if my pet can smell a cadaver at 50 yards! OTOH, I wouldn't want a _human_ who was constantly sucking up to me, gauging their every action based on what I thought of it, and whimpering when I disapproved; the same quality is not any more endearing in a pet.
You misspelled "drool"! :-)
peas on earth
10-02-1999, 07:45 AM
A good cat will die for you. He just won't obey you.
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