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notify the execs--Here we come on the run with a burger on a bun and a dash of coleslaw on the side. oh your taste buds we will tickle with a coled dill p ickle and all of our potatoes are french fried fried fried. oh our burgers cant be beat cuz we grind our own meat. grind grind grind grind grind. fred flintstone and barney rubble are the cause of all our trouble. and if they think we'll forget--they're outta their mind mind mind mind minds!

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Well, thanks, Urs. I'm sure that song'll be echoing in my head for some time now.

::begins plotting revenge::

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--R.R.S.

I may have to listen to MUSIC BOX DANCER to get that out of my head!

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Hunter Thompson

Now, i don't want to be prejudice, or racist, because I'm not. This statement might offend someone, but it is not intended to. And if it does, I am greatly sorry. I heard on a TV show this statement:

"If you look at The Flinstones, you see that there are no Black characters. If you look at the Jetsons, there are no Black characters, either. The creators (Hannah-Barbarra) are saying that there were no Black people in the Stone Age, or the distant future! I find that very disturbing to know! Were Hannah-Barbarra prejudice? On the other hand, they might be saying that there were no Black people in Bedrock, and there are no Black people in the city that the Jetsons live in.

In the Stone Age, there were few black/white mixed communities because airplane travel was generally unavailable. If one member of the tribe was white (or black), usually all were.

In the future, there will be no blacks or whites or slanteyes or roundeyes, there will just be various shades of tan. The Jetsons only LOOK white to us, similarily to how Japanese cartoon characters look white to us: when drawn without consciously exaggerating perceived racial characteristics, individuals of any race draw pretty much alike.

The last two posts lead me to ask: When did Satuday morning cartoons become racially integrated? Was it before "Black" cartoons like "Cosby Kids", "Globetrotters" and, "The Jackson 5"?

I don't remember seeing any when I last watched "kidtv" (1970s). I assume the shows are integrated now, however I haven't checked. Was this ever a issue?

Oh, and before someone points it out; I know the Flintstones were Primetime, not Sat. kidtv.

[Markxxx]

The orignial chorus was:

Grind Grind Grind Grind Grind Grind

And when we walk away,
A tip upon our tray
We hope to find find find find find
We hope to find find find find find

Also lest we not forget:
Barney as a lyricist


Boy do we know how to bust Monte Carlo
And to never be blue
It's a lot like praying
Just keep a saying
Yabba dabba dabba dabba do

If you think your sweetie
Left for Tahiti
We can give you a clue
No need for cryin'
Roar like a Lion
Yaba dabba dabba dabba do

Badda means bad
Dabba means good
Oh what magic in word we found
By switching the letters around

So if someday the bases are loaded
And there counting on you
You just can't strike out
If you'll up and shout
Yabba dabba dabba dabba do

[C K Dexter Haven]

Well, Daffy Duck is obviously black and Donald Duck is obviously white, going by feather colour; and Mickey Mouse is black (with whiteface). Not sure what to make of Sylvester the Cat.

I guess that a zebra can't exist.

[Kat]

Sylvester is obviously of a racially mixed heritage.

[Ursula]

markxxx

you are a better man than I am. (Especially since I'm not a man lol) I had all but forgotten that one. Bet I could beat ya on any brady bunch stuff. Thanks! :)

[Markxxx]

How about Barney and Fred as singers Backed up by Ann Margrock


I ain't gonna be your fool no more
Cried & cried until my eyes were sore
Gave you all the love I had
And then you tried to treat me bad

I love you but I ain't gonna be your fool

I'm sick and tired of all your cheating and lying
Gonna find myself a boy to keep my heart from crying
And then you will be so blue
A weepin' and a moaning and a cryin' too

I love you but I ain't gonna be your fool

Last night I thought about you
'Bout things that we used to do
'Bout things that we used to say
But that was yesterday

I'm a gonna change my way
Now it's my turn to play
Gonna find me somebody new
Take a place of you now

I ain't gonna be your fool no more
Cried & cried until my eyes were sore
Each and ev'ry day of the week
I can't eat my dinner and a I can't sleep

I love you but I ain't gonna be your fool.

Or maybe it's "a fool" I could never decipher it. Also why does Ann sing the word "a" so much

Also did any of you notice how disproportional Fred & Barney are to Ann?

[Hungry Boy]

As for the racial mix of cartoon cave dwellers, it appears that the Hannah Barbera folks did create an all black spin-off of The Flintstones called -- hold onto your hat -- The Blackstones. I'm not sure if this project made it to the pilot stage or not but there are drawings of it in a book about the history of the series that I saw. (Note: It was in the bargain bin and 'No' I didn't buy it.)

In the musical realm, why did they bother to change the lyrics (and tune) to 'The Twitch' in the so-called live action movie of the same name? Would there not have been humor in hearing Fred Schneider of the B-52s shouting

"Yellow belly pot of beans
Go put on your old blue jeans
Tell your mama not to wait
We're not coming home 'til late...
We're gonna TWITCH!"

in his trademark sibilant whine?

[JillGat]

[[In the Stone Age, there were few black/white mixed communities because airplane travel was generally unavailable.
If one member of the tribe was white (or black), usually all were.]]

Whew. Glad to hear the Flintstones show was historically accurate, then.

[Hungry Boy]

I'm not trying to derail this conversation but I do have a question about Dino. I seem to remember an episode where he (or some kind of proto-dino-dog) spoke. To the best of my recollection the Flintstones found him while camping and he begged to be taken home as their house pet.

Questions: Were dinosaurs really so easy to domesticate and, if so, could that be why they are extinct?

Also, what happened to Dino's powers of speech? Was it a case of instant evolutionary adaptation or was he just playing "dumb" for the kibble?

[VegForLife]

In the first or second season, Ricky, Lucy, Ethel and Fred. . . er, sorry, Fred, Wilma, Betty and Barney went camping and met a snorkasaurus, a large dinosaur that spoke. They were initially scared of the critter, but he proved himself to be friendly, and even followed them home. Thus was born Dino. For some reason, his color immediately changed from blue to purple, and he lost the gift of gab. I don't believe any reason was ever given on the show for these changes; I'm not sure if any staffers have offered opinions in any books.

Rich

[Hungry Boy]

Any connection between Dino's vocal transformation and that of Barney Rubble himself? The original Barney sounded more like a doofus than his more affable sounding descendent. Was Mel Blanc responsible for both characterizations?

[Hungry Boy]

As well, why is the yipping, slurping, non-talking Dino featured in the title sequence? If he didn't show up until somewhere in the middle of the first or second season -- and he had the power of speech when he did -- why does he bark over the credits? Is the this an example of flashback, surrealism, or poor continuity?

[bup]

I'm not sure Dino was always in the title
sequence.

I know the version in my head has Dino in
the car going to the drive-in movie with
everybody else (and popping his head through
the Flinstone-mobile's ragtop, but I also
know that the title sequence did change
some, and the crew that went to the movie
("The Monster") changed.

The end credits always had that cat that you
never saw in the show, I think because Dino
hadn't been invented yet.

[Hungry Boy]

I remember slight additions that include Pebbles and Bamm Bamm when they became part of the show. I could be wrong but I seem to remember the inclusion of Hoppy the Hopperoo, as well. Still, I can not remember a Dino-less version.

Since you brought up the cat, I think its name was Baby Puss. At least that's what they called it in a comic book I once owned.

[Hungry Boy]

I have an answer but I don't like it.

According to the Unoffical Flinstones and Hanna Barbera Site http://www.powerup.com.au/~ves/faq10.html Dino appeared in episode 6 and the Snorkasaurus appeared in episode 11. The interpreter suggests that Dino and Snorky are two distinct creatures although Wilma does call him "Dino" in that episode. This, says the netminder, is one of the many "intriguing curiosities" of the show. Sounds like a bad case of shifting concept to me.

Similarly, doesn't the ever-mute Wile E. Coyote speak to Bugs Bunny in one cartoon?

[Ursula]

To Hungryboy,

Who knows about WIlma calling snorkasaurus "Dino?" I have 4 daughters and I am constantly calling one girl another girl's name. In fact sometimes when my dog needs disciiplining, I call her the name of my youngest daughter. Maybe I'm just used to my baby being the one to get into things. :)

On your second point, you are entirely correctamundo! Wile. E. Coyote-"super-genius" did speak. At least to let us all know that he was a Super Genius. Was it also the coyote in the cartoon where the sheep dog and the coyote checked in a time clock to guard and try to steal the sheep (respectively) If so, then the coyote yet again spoke when he said morning and goodbye at punch in and out time.

[VegForLife]

There was, indeed, an earlier lead-in to the show. It has Fred running errands through town, ending up at home grabbing his dinner from Wilma, and sitting down in front of the TV. I hadn't seen it in years, but Cartoon Network runs it with the early episodes; I'm not sure why the other networks use the later opening for all the episodes.

There's an early closing sequence as well, similar to the later ones, but towards the end the "camera" pans back and you see the lights come on, one by one, throughout Bedrock as Fred pounds on the door for Wilma to let him in.

As far as Dino goes, I'm surprised that he showed up in episode 6. It's interesting that the website that you provided (well, not exactly, I had to pull back from the FAQ, then go into the "Flintstones" page) lists the recording dates for the episodes, and episode 11 (the snorkasaurus episode) has a question mark, meaning that it may have been recorded prior to episode 6.

On the other hand, I think it's equally plausible that one of the artists simply added a "dog" in episode 6, without intending to make it a regular character, and then, after episode 11 was recorded, somebody decided that the "dog" was a good addition. There are numerous examples of characters being added for one show and then dropped and never mentioned again; the first one that comes to mind is Fluffy, the cat in the first Brady Bunch episode, but there are plenty of other examples as well. (Another one that comes to mind is Kitty Carry-all, also from The Brady Bunch, a doll that Cindy went everywhere with, but then was never seen with again after that episode. Then there's Chuck in Happy Days.)

Unfortunately, if Cartoon Network is playing the episodes in order (I think they usually do), immediate research is not going to include episode 6, as they just played episode 9 ("Hot-lips Hannigan") last night (10pm PDT). Hopefully the snorkasaurus will be on tomorrow night. . .

Rich

[Hungry Boy]

As for the Sheepdog and the Wolf/Coyote thing, I don't think that's actually Wile E. To my recollection the sheep eater had a red nose and he responded to the Sheepdog's "Hello, Sam" with a "Hello, Ralph" -- or was it the other way around? Whatever the case, I think Ralph/Sam was a red-nosed wolf and not a roadrunner craving coytoe.

[Ursula]

hey Veg! I like the way you think. However, the Chuck from Happy Days has me invigorated. I know that many shows write out characters, but it has always made me wonder when Joanie and Chachi got married that Mr. C ( aka Tom Bosley) made a toast to his only 2 children. I kind of figured that he should have at least alluded to Chuck.

Maybe we should create another topic regarding the lost and forlorn written out characters?

[bup]

>>the website that you provided lists the recording dates for the episodes, and episode 11 (the snorkasaurus episode) has a question mark, meaning that it may have been recorded prior to episode 6.

Good theory, but I doubt it. Again, going
on my un-trustworthy memory, I would say
Barney would have had his 'funny' voice
before episode 6, but I think he was talking
normally by ep 11.

What may have happened was that a lot of
the snorkasaurus episode was done early, then
they added Dino, then they needed more
episodes quickly, so they used it despite
the continuity problems it created (like
"Where No Man Has Gone Before," an early
Star Trek that has Sulu cast as a visiting
mathemetician, and Spock being spunky).

[Hungry Boy]

What adds to my confusion is the fact that just about all the animals in Bedrock do have the power of speech -- including the vacuums and can-openers. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that an early concept of Dino included a voice and an attitude. Perhaps, in the attempt to make him a regular (and more loveable) character they took away his voice so that he more easily fit the role of family pet.

Side Note: If one considers the vocal development of HB dogs from Dino (and let's consider the snorkasaurus a separate anomalous entity for the sake of argument) to Scooby Doo to Astro, it appears that the canines become more articulate with the passing of time. What's next? Opposable thumbs?

Perhaps, Charleton Heston should have been more concerned with the doggies than the apes.

[bup]

HungryBoy, Since this is by far the most important discussion going on on these boards, I'm going to keep it going.

First, I'm going to assume that when you
talk about HB's evolution of dogs, you're
speaking of the timeline going in order
of the show's settings; thus, the Jetson's
Astro comes after Scooby Doo, even though
the Jetsons was created earlier.

The inherent implication is that dogs will,
in fact, 'get smart' one day, and dogs
as pets will come to an end. Dogs of
the future will speak as well as we do, live
on their own, and master time travel.

Thus, the seeming enigma of Huckleberry Hound, Hong Kong Fuey, et al. is resolved.
They are from a distant future, come back to
inhabit our age on their terms.

[Hungry Boy]

Finally! Someone who UNDERSTANDS! Thanks for filling in the missing pieces, Bup.

[Hungry Boy]

I just caught the last five minutes of the snorkasaurus episode. Not only did Wilma call him "Dino"; so did Betty. And they were speaking about him in that "let's make sure that everyone gets the name of the new character" tone.

Also, Wilma pleaded her case for keeping Dino by reminding Fred that he promised her that she could have a pet anytime she wanted one. The implication being that the Flintstones had no pets prior to the snorkasaurus and that Wilma was calling in her marker with Fred. IMO, this strongly suggests that Dino and the snorkasaurus are one and the same.

Just don't ask me how he turned pruple. :)

[metroshane]

If i'm not mistaken, chuck cunningham went off to war and was never mentioned again, is he dead? or did he go off to college?

[Markxxx]

Chuck Cunningham was in college and came home for a visit. One day he never came home.

BTW Dino was a dinosaur NOT a dog. Dogs are mammals. Just to be a nit picker.

Chuck goes with Rhoda's sister Debbie, her unnamed brother, Archie Bunker's Sister, writer who change things for a cheap joke or whatever.

[SterlingNorth]

On the Bugs Bunny coyote/wolf and sheepdog debate:
There were several Wile E Coyote/Bugs Bunny faceoffs. In all but one I believed, the coyote could talk. (The one where I think he couldn't talk, Bugs was literally replacing the Road Runner who "sprained a giblet" while running.)

The wolf in the sheepdog cartoons was a different character, Ralph Wolf. His day job was to try to steal a sheep from Sam the Sheepdog. Of course, after work they like to go have a little drink at the local bar...

[AWB]

JonMal: Now, i don't want to be prejudice, or racist, because I'm not. This statement might offend someone, but it is not intended to. And if it does, I am greatly sorry. I heard on a TV show this statement:
"If you look at The Flinstones, you see that there are no Black characters. If you look at the Jetsons, there are no Black characters, either. The creators (Hannah-Barbarra) are saying that there were no Black people in the Stone Age, or the distant future! I find that very disturbing to know! Were Hannah-Barbarra prejudice? On the other hand, they might be saying that there were no Black people in Bedrock, and there are no Black people in the city that the Jetsons live in.

Well, here's a very PC way of looking at the non-blackness of Flintstones and Jetsons:
Blacks weren't in "The Flintstones" because they evolved later. That's right: blacks are more evolved than whites.
And why they're not in "The Jetsons": they've since evolved to even-higher life forms and left the Earth.

[GuanoLad]

The Chuck Cunningham thing happened at the same time as the series got a studio audience and the set changed.

Also of note is that the Fonz (or 'Fonzie' as he was originally known) did not have a leather jacket, and 'Arnold's' was called 'Arthur's'.

Chachi Arcola's real name was not Charles (it was something else) until later in the series. (and Charles in Charge used the same woman playing Scott Baio's mother as was in Happy Days - Ellen Travolta)

Even more trivia - in one episode, Arnold revealed his real Japanese name (it wasn't Mr Miyagi) when he was teaching some self defence martial arts.

And I think Potsie was always Warren Webber, and Ralph was always Ralph Malph.


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