Milum is a babbling fountain of shit

['possum stalker]

Check this out: (from this thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=220185)

Gentlemen. This is not Viet Nam. The hippies are gone and so is their license to unduly influence the course of political events. We left Viet Nam on the brink of complete victory, and afterwards 2,000,000 Cambodians died as a consequence of our withdrawal.

Maybe some of you think that the life of an asian or a african or a european is not equal to the life of an American. But I do, and so does the American people. Forget the polls. Forget the body counts. We listened to the simple minded chants and slogans of the street protesters in the sixties and left Viet Nam, and as a result we delayed the collapse of the totalitarian Soviet Union for tens of years. This time the will of the people will not be denied, even by the people. The brave men and women of the United States Armed Forces will not desert the good people of Iraqi until our mission is done.

Oh, you think not, do you? Well think back. Remember? You were against the beginning of the Bush war for the liberation of Iqaq and the American people were 75% in favor of it.

So take heart doom-criers, most always a free citizenry knows best, and not knowing any better, your children and grandchildren will thank you for it.

"The will of the people will not be denied, even by the people."
I want to carve this onto the side of Mount Dipshit. Milum,are you Yogi fucking Bera's moronic right-wing cousin?

Yes, Viet Nam was what was holding the Soviet Union together! Of course! I think not, do I!

Everything out of this guy's mouth is delivered like he's fucking Moses, but instead of the Ten Commandments, all we get is a river of uncited, unsupported SHIT! Wouldn't be so bad, but he's posting in GD. The sample above is just one of many gems.

I wish he would either:
1. stop posting, or
2. Read, attempt to understand, and then correct his own fucking nonsense.

So take heart Milum-haters, most dipshits stop posting eventually, and not knowing any better, your children and grandchildren will thank you for it. (sic)

[Kal]

I think if the Chicago Reader printed up a few thousand "Milum is a babbling fountain of shit" t-shirts and sold them for $20 a pop, they'd raise enough money for a new server.

[xenophon41]

I don't hate Milum but I have learned to ignore most of his posts. More importantly, which would be the better band name, Mount Dipshit or Yogi's Right Wing Cousin?

[PatriotX]

and....?

[lieu]

"The will of the people will not be denied, even by the people."
I want to carve this onto the side of Mount Dipshit.Beauty.

I've yet to come across this poster but after this I'll approach him as I would a bouncing vial of nitro.

[Derleth]

"The villiage had to be destroyed in order to save it."

"The will of the people will not be denied, even by the people."

"What a terrible thing it is to lose one's mind. Or to not have a mind. What a terrible waste that is."

I think we have a new classic on our hands, people.

[blowero]

I'm no Milum fan, and I think he's done lots of Pit-worthy stuff, and I certainly disagree with what he says in the quote, but it seems odd to Pit someone simply because you disagree with what he said in a GD thread.

[everton]

Did Milum get a Purple Heart for having his shins blown off in The Big One?

['possum stalker]

It's not just the stupid things he says, it's the needlessly asinine way in which he says it. to wit:

It pleases me to say that Dershowitz is a flaming liberal jerk.

The irony of a sub-set of liberals being pro-palestinian is in the lies that underlie the creed of the larger group. Namely that...

Liberals are crusaders for the oppressed.

HA!



NPR style guide for NPR reporters

terrorism, terrorist — Terrorism is the act of causing terror, usually for political purposes, and it connotes that the terror is perpetrated on innocents. Thus, the bombing of a civilian airliner clearly is a terrorist act, but an attack on an army convoy, even if away from the battlefield, is not. Do not ape government usage. The Israeli government, for instance, routinely refers to PLO actions as terrorist. A journalist should use independent criteria to judge whether the term is accurate.

Now tell me Bleeding Hearts, when was the last time that a Jew put on womens clothing and went to a Palestinian marketplace and blew up innocent men, women, and children?

Hmmm?


The above post would be appropriate in the Pit, but it is factless and pointless, so it is "right out" of GD.
I hope his wacky fonts, etc. showed up in that paste.

[Munch]

I'd like to disagree with the title of this thread. I think it's misleading and uninformed. It misrepresents Milum as a person, as a poster, and a member of a board dedicated to irradicating ignorance. As a replacement, I'd offer the alternative:

"Milum is STILL a babbling fountain of shit"

[sailor]

I can say one good thing about Milum: Daisy Cutter is worse.

If Milum, Daisy Cutter, Aldebaran and Reeder got their own room and never returned here this board would gain *a lot*.

['possum stalker]

Damn, didn't come through.
Blowero, I see your point, but it's the combination of the fact that he's more full of shit than a Christmas goose, AND acts like he's our God-given Anti-Chomsky, that made me hit the Pit.

BTW, Milum, regarding your first quoted post: the Vietnamese Communists overthrew the Khmer Rouge, ending the genocide the U.S. did nothing to prevent. But don't worry, you're only 90% wrong.

Also his grammar and spelling are for shit, but I'll let that pass.

['possum stalker]

Sailor: that's the spirit.
Munch: Touche'

[elf6c]

Originally posted by sailor
I can say one good thing about Milum: Daisy Cutter is worse.

If Milum, Daisy Cutter, Aldebaran and Reeder got their own room and never returned here this board would gain *a lot*.

It would put us years closer in our fight against ignorance, that's for sure. Still that much concentrated stupidity in one room would be quite dangerous. I guess we could give them a large supply of tin foil and some live journal code to keep them out of trouble.

[sailor]

Originally posted by Munch
a board dedicated to irradicating ignorance. [Mrs. Bucket (pronounced "Bouquet")]
Shouldn't that be "inrradicating"?
Or is it "inrrandicating"?
"Inrrandincanting"?
[/Mrs Bucket]

[Munch]

Fine. So I misspelled "fighting". Sue me!

[gobear]

BTW, Milum, regarding your first quoted post: the Vietnamese Communists overthrew the Khmer Rouge, ending the genocide the U.S. did nothing to prevent. But don't worry, you're only 90% wrong

Prevent? The US SUPPORTED the Khmer Rouge as a supposed stopgap against the Vietnamese Communists.
[Cite: "A Problem from Hell" : America and the Age of Genocide, by Samantha Power].

And this bit of mishegoss:

Forget the body counts. We listened to the simple minded chants and slogans of the street protesters in the sixties and left Viet Nam, and as a result we delayed the collapse of the totalitarian Soviet Union for tens of years.

The Soviet Union collapsed from its own inefficiency and corruption, not from any American military efforts. Moreover the defeat of Vietnam was not caused by "hippies" but from the combination of American underestimation of the enemy's determination and the utter ineptitude of the South Vietnamese government.

A reading list for Milum:
The March of Folly, by Barbara Tuchman, pp. 233-378
Vietnam, by Stanley Karnow
A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam, by Neil Sheehan

[cheddarsnax]

I agree. (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218328) Milum is a disgrace to the boards.

['possum stalker]

Gobear: You're 100% right. I couldn't find a ref. that handily summarized America's shameful support for Pol-Pot. Then I didn't even put in the link I did find. Once again, my day job ruins a good post. BTW, I think he'll need those books on tape.

Snax, I missed that other pitting Milum received. Too bad. I was about to work my way around to the feverishly shitty work he did on that "FOX and liberals" thread, but I guess I don't hafta.
I would buy the Milum t-shirt, especially if the back had an artist's depiction of Mt. Dipshit, where I am now chiseling the immortal words of The Shame of Alabama.

[Smeghead]

Can't we just focus on the positive around here? Like the fact that december is gone?

['possum stalker]

[B] Smeg[B], you see the boards as half-empty of idjits.
I see them half-full.

My, but that other pit thread on the AL Knucklehead is funny.

[Chefguy]

Ya know, all we're doing here is providing this guy with wanking material. If you ignore his threads, and don't respond to his postings in others, he'll eventually get bored and go away. The guy is clearly a wack job. His thoughts are incoherent, unlinked, unsupported, and designed to elicit irrational response. Don't buy into it.

[Daisy Cutter]

Originally posted by sailor
I can say one good thing about Milum: Daisy Cutter is worse.

If Milum, Daisy Cutter, Aldebaran and Reeder got their own room and never returned here this board would gain *a lot*.

Ah, I see sailor is off on one of his d e l u s i o n a lRANTS again.

He just has a grudge against me, because I called him a hypocritical retard in some other thread. A characterization which is fairly accurate, imho.

As usual, certain people are here to debate various topics, others are here merely to take swipes at others.

:D

[Jackmannii]

"We left Viet Nam on the brink of complete victory...*"

I guess those people hanging onto the helicopter skids in Saigon as the Viet Cong marched into town were doing it for sport. Sort of like bungee jumping.




*might be worth a plaque at the base of Mt. Dipshit.

[El_Kabong]

As usual, certain people are here to debate various topics, others are here merely to take swipes at others.

And which of those two are YOU here for, sir, as it is certainly not clear from your posts so far.

[Dragonblink]

Originally posted by 'possum stalker
more full of shit than a Christmas goose

Note to self: if invited to Christmas Dinner at 'possum stalker's house, don't go.

['possum stalker]

Originally posted by Jackmannii
"We left Viet Nam on the brink of complete victory...*"

I guess those people hanging onto the helicopter skids in Saigon as the Viet Cong marched into town were doing it for sport. Sort of like bungee jumping.


Maybe they were the fellas who were about to topple the Soviet Empire if hadn't given 'em a ride.

Dragon: It's much better than it sounds.

[Daisy Cutter]

Originally posted by El_Kabong
And which of those two are YOU here for, sir, as it is certainly not clear from your posts so far.

May I suggest some Visine™. You know, clear things up, get the redness out of your eyes.

This will allow you to gain a more accurate understanding.

I debate plenty in GD. More often than not my factual posts get these sort of replies:

"You are ignorant."
"You are a bigot."
"Listen Honey." :smack:
"Hey, anybody with a name like that. .. . .. . . blah blah" :dubious:


So, to answer your question. Yeah, I do engage in debates. Try the search function sometime. You might find it useful. That and the visine should do wonders to correct your incorrect asumptions.

:o

[London_Calling]

I don’t pay very much attention to him and so aren’t tuned into his style. Having said that, I find it difficult to think he’s delusional enough to believe a lot of what I’ve seen him write, including the “brink of complete victory” stuff. It doesn’t completely gel with other stuff of his.

Fwiw, I get a similar vibe to the one I used to get with december when he’d post something provocative just to boost a thread coming to a natural end.

Of course later (it became clearer) december had become kind of addicted to the attention and/or notoriety.

Not at all sure where this guy is, but one or two of the indicators also seem to be present here . . . I guess time will tell. Early days.

For now, though, I think he posts often, but not always, to provoke and probably for attention - also, like december, he's cute enough to know where the line is and will be careful not to cross it. IMHO.

Be prepared for a long-ish stay . . . imho.

[El_Kabong]

I debate plenty in GD. More often than not my factual posts get these sort of replies:

"You are ignorant."
"You are a bigot."

Well, if that happens it may be because some people happen to think that certain things you say are ignorant and bigoted. Just making a suggestion here.

Tell you what, I'll keep an eye peeled for future contributions by you in GD, and if I see something that looks ignorant and bigoted, I'll be sure to mention it. Just, you know, to help clear things up.

[Neurotik]

Originally posted by gobear
Prevent? The US SUPPORTED the Khmer Rouge as a supposed stopgap against the Vietnamese Communists.
[Cite: "A Problem from Hell" : America and the Age of Genocide, by Samantha Power].
Of course, that ignores the fact that it was the North Vietnamese that helped the Khmer Rouge get their revolution started against Lon Nol (the American supported general who had just overthrown the monarchy) by arming and training them.

The North Vietnamese invaded in 1979 because the Khmer Rouge refused to be Vietnam's puppet and started arguing over borders and other things - much like the Soviet/China split (OK, it was more like the KR was run by paranoid lunatics who were afraid of being overthrown by the Americans, the Russians, the Vietnamese - pretty much anyone in the area). It had nothing to do with any humanitarian split, especially since they had been supporting the Rouge for quit a few years before that.

Basically, they got some blowback. They supported the Khmer Rouge in the beginning as a proxy against the US in Cambodia. Once the US backed regime was out, they lost control of the Khmer Rouge. When the KR started border raids against them, the Vietnamese took them out. Quite similar to some current events right now in other parts of the world.

[blowero]

Originally posted by Daisy Cutter
Ah, I see sailor is off on one of his d e l u s i o n a lRANTS again.

I like sailor, and I think anyone who uses colors and/or more than one font size in one word should automatically lose any argument.
;)

[Rune]

In the interest of fighting ignorance and all that:
Derleth, you are aware that the quote: “It became necessary to destroy the town to save it” most likely was not spoken by an American officer, but invented by a journalist (Peter Arnett). And, though American soldiers inside the town (Ben Tre) being overrun by the Vietcong may have radioed in air-strikes on their own positions, there’s no evidence whatsoever that Ben Tre was deliberately destroyed (not to speak destroyed to save it). Likewise the later sister quote: “the only way Hué could be saved was by destroying it.” was quite clearly invented by journalists to spice up news stories (or sex-up as has recently become popular). (In fact it was the North Vietnamese regulars and Vietcong who, as a matter of policy during the Tet offensive, destroyed and slaughtered Hué. Numbers are hard to get but up to 6,000 people were rounded up and shot or clubbed to death, and thrown in mass graves. Doctors, teaches and priests were specially targeted)

As for Milum’s statements. A little over the top, but it’s probably not historical incorrect to say the vast majority of deaths in Southeast Asia occurred after the American withdrawal. We’ll never know, but neither is it unrealistic to say that a continued American involvement could have saved a great deal of these lives. (The two years (1975-1977) following the final American withdrawal saw about twice as many violent deaths in SE Asia as the whole period of American involvement (1965-1974) – from communistic Cambodian killing fields, Vietnamese purges and concentration camps, forced farm collectivisms , re-education camps, failed escape attempts etc. as well as up to two million refugees.)

- Rune

[Gadfly]

May I suggest some Visine™. You know, clear things up, get the redness out of your eyes.

Holy crap! SACS* is transmittable over the internet!

*Severe accute crayon syndrome

[Dunderman]

I've said it before (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218328), and I'll say it again: Milum is a pointless, boring bullshitter. Don't pay attention, and maybe he'll go away.

[CBEscapee]

I thought fountains bubbled, not babbled. Milum is is a bubbling fountain of shit.

[jjimm]

Originally posted by CBEscapee
I thought fountains bubbled, not babbled. Milum is is a bubbling fountain of shit. Brooks babble though, according to Tennyson. Might Milum in fact be a brook of shit?I come from haunts of coot and hern,
I make a sudden sally,
And sparkle out among the fern,
To bicker down a valley.Sounds about right.

[Liberal]

Originally posted by Smeghead
Can't we just focus on the positive around here? Like the fact that december is gone? I'll save my celebration for the moment when cowards stop bashing people who can't be here to defend themselves.

[Typo Negative]

Originally posted by blowero
I like sailor, and I think anyone who uses colors and/or more than one font size in one word should automatically lose any argument.
;) Agreed.

[Space Vampire]

I have always found it so. fucking. difficult. to not say something about the fact that he's from Alabama.

(And with this, for the first time, I hypocritically violate my rule against participating in the lame and cowardly practice of saying something by pointing out that you're not saying it. It won't happen again.)

[elf6c]

Originally posted by Libertarian
I'll save my celebration for the moment when cowards stop bashing people who can't be here to defend themselves.

He was Banned for being a Troll. Not much to defend. However, that's the point-- banned members are gone. No need to bring them up anymore, as they are irrelevant, except as an example on how not to behave. As that issue was not directly in play, there did not seem to be a need to invoke that name. So Libertarian and I agree, but probably for somewhat different reasons.

The usual lack of merit behind a Daisy Cutter or Milum post stand for themselves. No need to invoke the Banned.

[elf6c]

Originally posted by Libertarian
I'll save my celebration for the moment when cowards stop bashing people who can't be here to defend themselves.

He was Banned for being a Troll. Not much to defend. However, that's the point-- banned members are gone. No need to bring them up anymore, as they are irrelevant, except as an example on how not to behave. As that issue was not directly in play, there did not seem to be a need to invoke that name. So Libertarian and I agree, but probably for somewhat different reasons.

The usual lack of merit behind a Daisy Cutter or Milum post stand for themselves. No need to invoke the Banned.

['possum stalker]

"Babbling brook of shit" does have an alliterative appeal. Speaking of poetry, I am currently editing real jaw-dropping Milum phrases into haiku:

So take heart doom-criers
free citizenry knows best,
not knowing better


I have no problem making fun of Alabama, but I try to restrain myself. It's like boxing with a man on crutches.

[Beagle]

HR in N&S Vietnam (http://www.vietquoc.com/huri-98.htm) (I'm including only some of what's written about the North)For four decades, North Vietnamese under Ho Chi Minh regime have never heard of human rights. During the French Indochinese War that lasted nearly 9 years, Vietnamese people in the countryside were treated with the French terrorism policy. When the French withdrew and peace was restored, peasants in North Vietnam were extremely frightened by the Land Reform Campaign, the real objective of which were not to redistribute land to farmers but to get rid of the Class of Landlords.

From 10,000 to 15,000 landlords an "reactionaries" were put to death by shooting, beating, hanging, stoning and even locking in without food and water. The campaign not only got rid of the unwanted landlords but also scared the poor peasants into faithfulness to the Party.

Furthermore, peasants in North Vietnam would appreciate anything a little better than hardships under the colonial time.

They were taught that in every country in the world, prisoners of war are killed, except the Communist states who save the POW's lives so that they would be kept as forced labor to work for the wealth of the socialist society. They were told that prisoners have no rights of citizens; so if a prisoner was murdered, his or her family may not complain or blame anyone for the death.

People can be arrested at any time, and investigations by Public Security agents have absolute legal values. Prison guardians are allowed to beat criminal inmates at their will. Death sentences are given even to petty crimes such as copying love music from South Vietnam radio stations.

It is almost impossible to know how many innocent people have been executed by order of the Communist leaders, not including dead soldiers on the two sides of the wars since 1945. Victims could be counted only when people found mass graves such as in areas around Hue in 1968 - some three thousand bodies buried alive or after being shot or beaten to death.

Citizens are were taught since their first days at school to do everything profitable to the Party. In general, the communist regime try to make its citizens become working machines to ensure their obedience. Human rights, therefore, has no place in such education system.

Only in the recent years after 1975 when North Vietnamese have had contact with their compatriots in South Vietnam and thanks to an uncontrollable flow of small portable radios into North Vietnam, people from the North could be aware of what they had been denied by their Communist government for many decades.

During the past few years, the American government, along with France strongly criticized Hanoi regime of its human rights violations, but only to say later that there were progress in its human rights records, in order to justify investment of their capitalists in Vietnam as well as awarding the most favored nation status to Beijing.
P.S. Since the US had no plan to invade NV and was fighting a "counterinsurgency" war, we were just as close to victory as when we got there.

I'd suggest trying to win the next war. Iraq is just like Vietnam: cleaning up a mess left by the French.

[jjimm]

Milum haiku! Brilliant idea!

European countries have
now evolved into state pens
of human husbandry

Or perhaps longer poems:

You Eurotypes are becoming
overrefined and effete
Kinda like ageing aimless bachelors
who still
live with their ageing permissive parents
who still
provide all the accruements
of life
with a minimum of demands.
Such are the rewards of socialism.

*Wipes tear from eye* That's beautiful, man.

[Neurotik]

Originally posted by Beagle
I'd suggest trying to win the next war. Iraq is just like Vietnam: cleaning up a mess left by the French.
You mean the British? Or any other assortment of world powers that have had their hands in there.

[London_Calling]

Originally posted by Beagle
I'd suggest trying to win the next war. Iraq is just like Vietnam: cleaning up a mess left by the French.

This is briliant! They were actually French WMD Saddam wasn’t hiding. Thank God for the noble USA.

Cue misty-eyed music, soft-focused fluttering flag, "world-policeman" voiceover . . . God save us from this utter bollocks.

[yojimbo]

Utter bollocks is right. And they say we Europeans are superior gits.

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by blowero
I like sailor, and I think anyone who uses colors and/or more than one font size in one word should automatically lose any argument.
;) I Agree wholehearedly

[flonks]

Originally posted by Daisy Cutter
Ah, I see sailor is off on one of his d e l u s i o n a lRANTS again.

One more to defend sailor...

And I would like to add Beagle to Daisy Cutter and Milum.



Originally posted by Beagle
I'd suggest trying to win the next war. Iraq is just like Vietnam: cleaning up a mess left by the French.

The french?

Wasn't it the US who supported Saddam Hussein and kept him in power for 20 years?

Wasn't it the US which supported Bin Laden and sent him weapons which he uses now against them?

[flonks]

Messed up the coding sorry :(
*must hit preview*

[ElvisL1ves]

Yes, it's France's fault for wanting to wait 2 weeks for Blix to finish inspecting before voting to invade, remember?

[Neurotik]

Originally posted by flonks
Wasn't it the US who supported Saddam Hussein and kept him in power for 20 years?
I'd like to point out that whle the US supported Hussein, they didn't really keep him in power. He did most of that himself by skillfully playing internal factions off each other, knowing who to bring in to the fold and who to keep down, and was an absolute master at distributing patronage to the right people at the right time.

Even without US support, it's highly unlikely Hussein would have been deposed any time soon.

[flonks]

Point taken Neurotik, but it's unclear whether he would have won the Iran/Irak war without US help.

[Beagle]

Right. France and Russia did not provide the bulk of the arms to the region. France did not give Saddam a means to build nuclear weapons.

By all means, keep losing your cool every time I state a fact.

[Neurotik]

Well, even with US help he didn't really win it. He sort of lost it in that he invaded, was repulsed and achieved none of his objectives. He might have lost a bit of territory (al-Faw) at the most, but there was no way the Iranians were going to be able to march to Baghdad like they thought they would on their counter-offensive. Most likely, the ending would have been the same - stalemate and status quo ante bellum (more or less).

[El Cid Viscoso]

Originally posted by Beagle

By all means, keep losing your cool every time I state a fact. Worse than that, he lumped you in with Milum and Daisy Cutter. <shiver>

[Ogre]

Yes, Milum is a piece of work. In a recent thread about the Alabama Tax Plan (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=210329), I brought up a number of debatable points, and the thread, despite it being in the Pit, was progressing civilly between (primarily) myself, Sauron, mhendo, JCoM, and some others.

Milum then burst in with a largely nonsensical post which I chopped to pieces. Upon his return, he responded with this raging piece of insanity:You Ogre! You...damn you...you and your sorry kind have kept the black folks indentured in the southeastern counties of Alabama since the great depression of 1932. Your dole, your pittance, enought to appease your sense of superiority yet barely enought to feed a hungry family of four, but only enought , barely, to keep them locked in to an unproductive land that they dearly love.

You are lower than snakes. You judge a man soley by his economic station in life. Not by his honor. Not by his honesty. Not by his goodlyness. You are an abomination. You judge a man only by his net worth.

May God have mercy on your dark black soul.I'll let you either read the thread or take a wild guess at what the above rant had to do with the OP or the discussion at hand, and why he chose to implicitly call me a racist.

[jjimm]

Originally posted by Beagle
Right. France and Russia did not provide the bulk of the arms to the region. France did not give Saddam a means to build nuclear weapons.

By all means, keep losing your cool every time I state a fact. According to this 1993 article (http://www.iraqwatch.org/suppliers/whoarmediraq.pdf), the main players were as follows:

Germany 50%
Switzerland 8%
France 5%
Italy 5%
US 3.5%
UK 3.5%

Also bear in mind that France also supplied the equipment for Israel (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/) to make its nukes - so really it's an equal opportunity illegal WMD facilitator

So, er, not really a "fact", unless you have evidence that's better than this?

[Beagle]

Arms (http://www.1upinfo.com/country-guide-study/iraq/iraq95.html) Iranians were killed with a lot of French weapons. The germ samples that the US provided have not been used for anything. "NO WMDs FOUND!!!" Remember?

Nukes from Chirac (http://www.usainreview.com/2_11_Chirac_Connection.htm)

Note: the US has messed up our foreign policy in the ME on so many occasions I cannot count.

Now, deal with what the French have done. It's worse.

[Beagle]

By the end of the 1970s France was second only to the Soviet Union as a supplier of both military and civilian equipment to the Iraqis. The trend continued throughout the 1980s. France strongly backed Iraq during its war with Iran. Unlike other western governments who gave minimal help to Iraq hoping to stave off an Iraqi defeat and maintain the status quo; France supplied Iraq with Mirage Fighters, Super Etendard aircraft with Exocet missiles, and sophisticated munitions. From the "Arms" link.

[Beagle]

It was a 50/50 shot and I crapped out. That was from the nukes link. So is this: French President Jacques Chirac's special relationship with Saddam Hussein goes back almost 30 years. As the French Prime Minister in 1974, Chirac was instrumental in boosting France's diplomatic and economic ties with oil-rich Iraq. Chirac called Saddam Hussein "a personal friend" after Chirac and Hussein finalized the agreement for the construction of a French-built nuclear reactor near Baghdad; the reactor that was later bombed by Israel.

From the "arms" link: French military sales to Iraq were important for at least two reasons. First, they represented high-performance items. Iraq received attack helicopters, missiles, military vehicles, and artillery pieces from France. Iraq also bought more than 400 Exocet AM39 air-to-surface missiles and at least 200 AS30 laserguided missiles between 1983 and 1986. Second, unlike most other suppliers, France adopted an independent and unambiguous arms sales policy towards Iraq. France did not tie French arms commitments to Baghdad's politico-military actions, and it openly traded with Iraq even when Iranian-inspired terrorists took French hostages in Lebanon. In late 1987, however, the French softened their Persian Gulf policy, and they consummated a deal with Tehran involving the exchange of hostages for detained diplomatic personnel. It was impossible in early 1988 to determine whether France would curtail its arms exports to Iraq in conjunction with this agreement.

I think they did curtail their arms sales, just in time for the next Iraqi war of conquest.

['possum stalker]

Ogre: Those were some of Milum's most colorful posts. I was pleasantly astonished, however, to see he had embedded at least 2 facts in his posts. He doesn't cite one, and the other is wrong, but still, I give the sorry bastard credit for trying.


BTW: who was Saddam's biggest, bestest pal?

"Forty years ago, the Central Intelligence Agency, under President John F. Kennedy, conducted its own regime change in Baghdad, carried out in collaboration with Saddam Hussein...

In 1963 Britain and Israel backed American intervention in Iraq, while other United States allies -- chiefly France and Germany -- resisted. ...As its instrument the C.I.A. had chosen the authoritarian and anti-Communist Baath Party...According to the former Baathist leader Hani Fkaiki, among party members colluding with the C.I.A. in 1962 and 1963 was Saddam Hussein, then a 25-year-old who had fled to Cairo after taking part in a failed assassination of Kassem in 1958.

-Saddam's early years in Smallville (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/morris.htm)

Well that turned out to be the Mother of All Blowbacks...

[Dissonance]

Beagle, weren't you arguing just 4 days ago (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219640) that it was okay to overlook the fact that he was a tyrannical mass murdering shit and support Saddam in the 1980s since he was a secular, socialist alternative to the Mullahs in Iran? Shouldn't we be applauding the French for supplying arms to hold the Mullahs back? Or is realpolitik only acceptable when the US is doing it?

[jjimm]

Chiraq and Saddam go back 30 years, while Rummy and Saddam (http://www.topos.org/rumsfeld.html) only go back 20. Naughty Frenchies!

:rolleyes:

[Milum]

Now now children. You have been bad little boys and girls so now the Milum must punish you.

jjimm
'possum hunter
Beagle
Orge
flonks*
Mr.B
neurotik
elf6c
London_calling*
Space Vampire
spooje
CBEsapee
Priceguy
Gadfly
ElvisL1ves
Yojimbo*
Jackmannii
Smeghead
Chefguy
Cheddarsnax
Sailor
Munch
everton
Derleth
lieu
SimonX
xenophon41
kal

(*) denotes foreigner.

If your name is on this list you are on probation. You may re-enter my esteem after proving to me that you are worthy of my regard. Good luck.

[Dissonance]

Please add me to the list. And for the record, I'm a domestic enemy who thinks you're full of shit, not one of those damn foreigners.

[rjung]

Add my name to the list, because I sure don't want your esteem.

[elucidator]

...The hippies are gone and so is their license to unduly influence the course of political events....

It would be a considerable comfort in my advancing years if I could embrace the illusion my ilk and I had any "undue" influence on "political events". 'Struth, think we had hardly any, beyond the necessary spark of daring to think Otherwise.

Wasn't us. It was Methodist ministers sermonizing thier congregations. It was the hint of doubt in Walter Cronkites voice. More than anything, it was the guys with John Kerry and his posse, the Viet Nam Vets Against the War. When they started to march, in uniform, with the protestors.....you could feel the impact. About all we did was provide work for Bob Hope's stable of hack writers of bath/job/hair jokes.

So I'd be honored to accept your contempt, Milum, but must regret that I am not entitled. You, on the other hand, are entirely deserving of the attention you are currently basking in.

[Desmostylus]

Sign me up too, asshole.

['possum stalker]

The "denotes foreigner (http://www.4eigner.net/theband/2001064nrn-markschulman.html)" asterisk is a nice touch.

Milum, you are a troubling fellow. Have you checked out Americansforwar.com?

I think you'd like it.

[Doomtrain]

I know for a fact those guys aren't in Foreigner. I think London_Calling is in Journey.

I feel the need to say it. This is just affirming is self-image as a truth-teller who gets under the Liberals' skins with his True Righteousness(tm).

[cheddarsnax]

Originally posted by Milum
If your name is on this list you are on probation.
I consider this an honor.

['possum stalker]

Ryujin, I fear you and Chef are right- we may just be enabling the creepy bastard.

It's weird- as I've read through his posts I've found them more and more entertaining. He's like the right-wing Dr. Bronner, but he makes much less sense than Bronner's "Secret 6000 year old Swiss Essene monorail Birth control! All-one! or All-None!!!" soap labels.

[Ogre]

I see Cleverkins has opted to continue creatively misspelling my name. Oh, the humor. Oh, the gut-splitting guffaws.

Oh, uh, what did you say was on TV again?

[Short]

I feel somehow inadequate, not being honored on milum's list.

I'm a foreigner in Canada and have a foreign sounding name. Does that count? Could I get honorary foreign status if I told you I studied French in college?

[RedFury]

Hey fuckwad, it'll be much shorter list if you type in the names of those that agree[ with your babbling fountain of shit®

[RedFury]

Hey fuckwad, it'll be much shorter list if you type in the names of those that agree with your babbling fountain of shit®

[Mr2001]

I studied German in high school and I've been to over six countries outside the U.S., including such terrorist havens as France and Germany. That ought to make me an honorary foreigner, right? Please?

[El_Kabong]

Jeepers. Not only do I think Milum's a blithering idiot, I lived in France for ten years and continue to work for a French company. I mean, if I don't belong on his list, then who does?

[Greathouse]

Originally posted by Space Vampire
I have always found it so. fucking. difficult. to not say something about the fact that he's from Alabama.

(And with this, for the first time, I hypocritically violate my rule against participating in the lame and cowardly practice of saying something by pointing out that you're not saying it. It won't happen again.)

Do you have a problem with people from AL? Not all of us are uneducated fuckdumbs who couldn't find their ass with both hands and a map. ;)

[Neurotik]

Haha, everton's an American! I'm sure everton will be delighted with the upgrade.

[yojimbo]

Yay I'm on a list, finally. I'm quite happy to be linked to all those posters even though there are some I disagree with almost 100% when it comes to politics.


BTW dipshit you missed a couple of foreigners on that list. I'll let them tell you who.

oh and it's yojimbo. If I wanted a Y I would have joined that way.

[El Cid Viscoso]

Wait. I was eating a fish taco, so I missed a little bit. Someone just told me Daisy Cutter's got me on a list?

[PatriotX]

I made the Honor Roll!! WooHooo!!

[elucidator]

Big deal. Its not like it means anything. Or anything. My name's just really hard to spell.

['possum stalker]

What happens to us now that we're on the list? and why did I laugh when I read the words "fish taco?"

[Doomtrain]

Oh, and can I get on the list? I took some French classes once and would love to move to the U.K., Canada, or Australia.

[Mtgman]

It is a great honor to be on Milum's list. To acknowledge this honor, and make it permanent, go here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member2.php?action=viewlist&userlist=ignore) and type "Milum" in one of the empty boxes and click "Update List".

Enjoy,
Steven

[Ogre]

I have always found it so. fucking. difficult. to not say something about the fact that he's from Alabama.For obvious reasons, I'm highly gratified that you have thus far resisted the temptation. Well, until now.

[London_Calling]

Originally posted by GMRyujin
I know for a fact those guys aren't in Foreigner. I think London_Calling is in Journey.

The Horror.

The last thing I need is to be associated with some half-witted, dippy shit, smelly hippies with as much intellectualism as Rolling Stone affords. Man. Well, the last thing before the kind of insightfulness Milum offers.

btw, he's clearly a Monkees fan, probably with a particular interest in Davy. In fact, I can imagine him now, leg-a-cock in velvet trousers and bashing his . . . tambourine.

[flonks]

Originally posted by Beagle
Right. France and Russia did not provide the bulk of the arms to the region. France did not give Saddam a means to build nuclear weapons.


Yes, France and Russia provided arms in this region, but so did the US. From there to say "The US has to take care of the mess France made" is a long way. The US supported Saddam Hussein for 20 years, provided him with arms, logistics and information (CIA) during the war. They even him with intelligence where to drop his chemical arms:

When it looked like Iran might defeat him, the Reagan administration covertly began to supply him with satellite intelligence and weapons, including precursors for development of biological weapons and the basic ingredients for the chemical agents he used, in President Bush's memorable words, "to gas his own people."

Cite (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/johnson1.html)
Cite (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/08/38816.html)
Cite (http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/jphuck/Book23Ch.3.html)

Originally posted by Beagle By all means, keep losing your cool every time I state a fact.[/B]

You wouldn't recognize a fact if you stumbled over it.

I am honored to be on your list. You might check you asterisks though, the location flag rarely signifies nationality. In my case you're right, but there are a lot of American's living abroad on this board. Just for the sake of fighting ignorance ...

[flonks]

Sorry Beagle, confused you with Milum :(

(How could I, you are so different!)

The last paragraph was for Milum, obviously.

[jjimm]

Why on earth am I not deemed a foreigner? The importance of being labelled thus eludes me, but at least if we are going to be highlighted as such, I want my day in the sun.

[Kal]

Bastard didn't capitalise my name or give me a fucking asterisk.

I was gonna send him a copy of december's musical for Christmas, but now I'm pissed off and the fucker is getting nowt.

[Jackmannii]

I am honored to be in such august company (as opposed to december company), but feel guilty about inclusion while such worthies as elucidator are left off the list.

I'll trade him my spot for a minor grammatical consideration.

[flonks]

Milum's list reminds me of the NRA's list of foes (http://www1.jointogether.org/gv/news/summaries/reader/0,2061,567251,00.html).

Among the groups making the long list are the A.F.L.-C.I.O, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Children's Defense Fund, the Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, the United States Catholic Conference, the U.S. Conference of Mayors, and the Y.W.C.A. of the U.S.A.

I mean, sometimes it is uplifting to be on somebody's list of enemies :)

[Chefguy]

Originally posted by 'possum stalker
Ryujin, I fear you and Chef are right- we may just be enabling the creepy bastard.

It's weird- as I've read through his posts I've found them more and more entertaining. He's like the right-wing Dr. Bronner, but he makes much less sense than Bronner's "Secret 6000 year old Swiss Essene monorail Birth control! All-one! or All-None!!!" soap labels.

er....you're doing it again. D'oh! So am I. Disregard this posting.

[elf6c]

Somehow seeming my name of the list reminds me of a classic Simpsons bit:

Skinner: . . .and Ralph Wiggam

Ralph: Woo Hoo! I won, I won.

Skinner: No Ralph, this mean's you're failing English.

Ralph: Me Fail English? That's Unposssible!

Wow, a bigot put me on his "probationary" list, just when I thought free donut Friday couldn't get any better. . .





;)

[lieu]

Dang, am I the only freakin' one not getting any... err... donuts and tacos?

[vibrotronica]

An enemies list! How Nixonian!

[presidebt]

Originally posted by flonks




I mean, sometimes it is uplifting to be on somebody's list of enemies :)

There's something special about pissing off all the right people, eh? *

Special thanks to the script of Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.

[The Great Unwashed]

So it was we hippies who got the US out of Vietnam? Woo-hoo! See I told you it could work, smoking pot and pushing flowers into gun-muzzles, never fails.

I'd like to draw your attention to this (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=3171876#post3171876), which only makes me want to ask: what was the date that we peaceniks were to be allowed to gloat over the abject failure to uncover WMDs or some just cause of war? I only ask, because there're some hawks who promised to suck my dick, and my balls are more swolen than David Blaine's after 40 days in a fish-tank. I sure hope I didn't miss it.

Milum, am I too late to join your list, it would compensate in some very small way for your grotesque dumbfuckery and me having to share the same air as you?

[Captain Carrot]

I would also reeeally like to join Milum's list, as I have seen from this thread that he is an incredible idiot/troll. I wonder if anyone agrees with/likes him...

To quote from someone, maybe in this thread: "I am honored to be on his list of enemies."

[rjung]

I'm not honored; I just don't want to give him the delusion that there's a small chance I support his nutjob views.

[Milum]

[ :) ] ___It becomes my pleasure to announce that within the last five days the following posters have sent me a personal email of apology, or else they have since posted a sensible and polite post on the adult board Great Debates.

Therefore I hereby now lift their probation and gladly remove their names from the Blackball List on my wall.

Congratulations...

London_calling*
Mr. B
SimonX
Yojimbo*
jjimm

I set down an empty glass in your honor.

______________ :) _____________

[London_Calling]

I certainly haven't sent any e-mails and I don't give a damn one way or the other about your silly lists/games. Nonetheless, it is fascinating to see how (a) as a general proposition, people respond to lists and (b) how some feel the need to be included.

I know find myself wondering at the marketing power of having a mailing list and how that chimes with this human need for inclusion.

Quite interesting psychology, hadn't considered it before. I'll continue to mull this one over . . . great way to generate attention. But you know all about that particular game don't ya Milum. Attention is your game.

[Kal]

Attention may be his game, but does he have to use the delusional ruleset in order to play it?

[elucidator]

Oooops, false alarm, Milum was bullshitting. Put London Calling back on the list.

(Not the "Straight to the Wall Come the Revolution" list. The other list. Not to worry.)

[wring]

:: kicks dirt ::

I'm not on anybody's list... Dumb lists, who'd wanna be on 'em anyhow...

:: kicks more dirt ::

[London_Calling]

He's making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out . . . actually, I'm shooting for inclusion on the anti-list list. See, that one's the 'A' list round here.

You don't even know about that one, do ya ?

Dear, dear, dear . . . not on Milum's list, don't know about the 'A' list; feel out in the cold yet, 'luci, feeling it's happening without you, not 'in' with the list crowd, sense your SD social cred slipping down the crapper ?

Tut tut, maybe I can help you out a little. Milum and I are buddies, see. Maybe I can arrange something . . .

[elucidator]

Gee, Werewolf of London, thanks awfully. Got any cast off clothes from leprosariums, by any chance? A cousin with a wide varitey of STD's you could fix me up with?

Give me time to consider the appropriate response to your characteristicly generous offer.

[Chefguy]

All this talk of listing has me quite off-balance.

[Kyla]

Wow. Just...wow. That enemies list thing is one of the weirdest, craziest things I have seen on the SDMB in many moons. Holy fuck.

Milum, this American things you're a raving lunatic.

[Kyla]

P.S. Can I be on the list? Pleeeeease?

Okay, fine. Be that way.

['possum stalker]

Cheer up, wring. I'm sure you'll get listed soon enough.

searching precarious heaps of decade-old newspapers to find "Straight to the Wall Come the Revolution" list...

Oh, and I can't resist sharing another fortune cookie (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219622&pagenumber=2)from Milum:

Left and right, Liberal and Conservative, seem to be trans-cultural labels that effectively identify two distinct postures of political belief systems. Why two? Why trans- cultural? One wonders.

Perhaps the political propensities are innate in individuals of our kind. Yeah, like the million years of distinct social roles that evolution required of the male and female. Men hunt, women raise children. Men fight and protect, women care for the old and nurture the young. Sexual selection and social conditioning of these necessary traits brought about two very different world views.
Two parts of a whole that was needed in order to continue in time as human beings.

There are many fundamental attitudes embodied in these two seperate but complementary philosophies. Most are obvious.
Male = cognition
Female = feelings

Today in our sexless society the politics of individuals gravitate towards one or the other of these two poles of beliefs.
Female =left = Liberal
Male = right = Conservative

Today the new left's penchant for condeming the Israelis for being mean hearted, along with their attendant feelings of thoughtless compassion for the homeless and helpless Palestinians without consideration of future consequenties demostrates the Left's inability to properly abstract from reality and reveals the female origin of their beliefs.

And yet today (at least in the states) only slightly more females than men are Liberals and only slightly more men identify themselves as Conservatives. Strange.


So that's the problem with liberals- they can't "abstract from reality," just like those awful retarded women. Let's here it for milum- what a class act!

[sailor]

You guys are so naive. You should be trembling, not joking. There is the public list and then, the *really* bad guys are on the secret list. ;)

[Chefguy]

Originally posted by 'possum stalker
Cheer up, wring. I'm sure you'll get listed soon enough.

searching precarious heaps of decade-old newspapers to find "Straight to the Wall Come the Revolution" list...

Oh, and I can't resist sharing another fortune cookie (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219622&pagenumber=2)from Milum:


So that's the problem with liberals- they can't "abstract from reality," just like those awful retarded women. Let's here it for milum- what a class act!

You have to wonder if he's wanking with his right hand or his left when he's tapping out these masterpieces of self-indulgence. What a staggering lack of insight and intellect; a great, gaping hole of ignorance and doublespeak.

[wring]

well, I certainly hope so, 'possum - after all, all the "A" list libs are there, and here I am, the founder of the "Liberal but not a fucking lunatic" society, falling by the wayside.

Maybe I should start smoking clove cigarettes or something.

[elucidator]

The conservative wing of the extreme left.

[jjimm]

I can't remember having said anything nice. Put me back on at once!

And you still haven't given me my "foreigner" asterisk. What do I have to do to deserve it?

[Typo Negative]

Originally posted by Milum
Now now children. You have been bad little boys and girls so now the Milum must punish you.

jjimm

<<snip>>


spooje

<<snip>>
kal

(*) denotes foreigner.

If your name is on this list you are on probation. You may re-enter my esteem after proving to me that you are worthy of my regard. Good luck. Woohoo!!! I made it on a list!! Somebody noticed me!!!


Dude, you are such a freak!

:D

[Dunderman]

Originally posted by Milum
Now now children
Whoops, forgot to comment on this before, even though the only hilarious aspect of Milum is exactly this: a politically confused 15-year-old pretending to be an adult... and he thinks he's fooling us.

[PatriotX]

Originally posted by Milum
[ :) ] ___It becomes my pleasure to announce that within the last five days the following posters have sent me a personal email of apology, or else they have since posted a sensible and polite post on the adult board Great Debates.

Therefore I hereby now lift their probation and gladly remove their names from the Blackball List on my wall.

Congratulations...

London_calling*
Mr. B
SimonX
Yojimbo*
jjimm

I set down an empty glass in your honor.

______________ :) _____________

I think you just took me off the list because I was proud to be there. I sure as fuck didn't send you any apology for whatever grievance you've imagined.


possum stalker,
That's quite a fortune cookie. my fave is where he says,
"Left and right, Liberal and Conservative, seem to be trans-cultural labels that effectively identify two distinct postures of political belief systems. "

I wonder to whom this seems to be. Just little mil-mil I suppose.

[Squink]

Quoth Milum's profile:Sorry! That user has specified that they do not wish to receive emails through this board. If you still wish to send an email to this user, please contact the administrator and they may be able to help. Perhaps he's released his email address to all the lefties via Fox News ?

[El Cid Viscoso]

Originally posted by jjimm
And you still haven't given me my "foreigner" asterisk. What do I have to do to deserve it? Kick some slang out, jjimm. Throw in a guv'neh or two every once in a while. :dubious:

I might add that I am somewhat conflicted: at first peppered with disdain, then liberally salted with praise for my sensible and polite debating style. In truth, 'tis his seasonings I suspect the most.

[Kyla]

Originally posted by jjimm
I can't remember having said anything nice. Put me back on at once!

And you still haven't given me my "foreigner" asterisk. What do I have to do to deserve it?

I'm sorry, sir, we're going to need to see some identification.

[elucidator]

A Man for All Seasonings

[jjimm]

Originally posted by Mr. B
Kick some slang out, jjimm. Throw in a guv'neh or two every once in a while. :dubious: *Tips hat* Cor blimey you're a gemmun and a toff, make no mistake. Bollocks loo fanny bum and arse.

Is it working?

I'm wondering if I may have found our milum (http://www.milum.net/vinnie.htm) - this guy says he's in Kansas, but he could be lying. He's got some interesting ideas (http://www.milum.net/Provocateur.htm).

(As an aside, what in the name of holy living fuck do people like this think they're doing advertising web design (http://www.milum.net/MilumComm.htm)? Is there a market for this kind of visual ebola?)

[musicguy]

If he is advertising web design, that is a hoot. That "visual ebola" is a standard theme (basically a template) that comes with the overly-simplified Microsoft Front Page 2000. I never would have imagined that someone who actually choose one of those, especially that one. :)

[Ogre]

Aaaagh! Embedded MIDI! Die, die, die!

[London_Calling]

London_Callings first rule of the Internet; the more extensive is the personal web site, the more likely is it the owner will appear a plonker.

I don't think that's our Milum, though.

[elucidator]

Theres no such word as "plonker"! You're making shit up!

[Squink]

It's an acronym (http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=PLONKER).

[London_Calling]

I'm making shit up, sayeth the man from Nipples, Michigan!

['possum stalker]

BTW, there is a study that just came out a few weeks back- God knows I've tried to find it on the web- discussing political identity as a function of one's ideal home/family structure. Democrats/Liberals picture an ideal family as a nurturing, laise-faire kind of deal. Conservatives/Republicans fantasize about the strong authority figure with a sink-or-swim, shape-up-or-ship-out approach.

Eerie, but Milum's Rorschach post about "tran-cultural labels" may be a retarded version of that theory, viewed through his weird sexist lens. That's why he calls those who oppose him "children"- in his mind, he is the God-given, righteous authority figure at the head of the political family.

That, or he's a flat-head dipshit who overdosed on kippered beefsteak. It's a toss-up, really.

[tomndebb]

Originally posted by Elucidator:
Theres no such word as "plonker"! You're making shit up!Originally posted by Squink:
It's an acronym (http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=PLONKER).
Actually, I suspect that the acronym is folk etymology and I really doubt the definition given. More likely is that plonker comes from the verb (or interjection) "plonk" meaning to use filters on one's mail software when reading a newsgroup to hide any submissions from another poster. (Or to use the "Ignore" feature in vB or UBB for the same purpose.) While I have not yet found a satisfactory citation to support me, my guess is that "plonk" is taken from old target shooting slang in which one "plonked" tin cans for fun and training.

[ quibble ] Milum would, in this instance, be the plonkee, not the plonker. [ /quibble ]

And while I am into nitpicks,from Nipples, Michiganthe abbreviation MN indicates Minnesota. Michigan is represented by the postal code MI. (The confusion is understandable. The Post Office blew it when they chose those abbreviations. While MN is understandable as Minnesota, Michigan would have been better served by MC. The MC code has long been used for licensing small craft on Michigan waters and avoiding MI would have prevented people from confusing MIchigan with Minnesota, Mississippi, and Missouri.

[Dissonance]

Originally posted by 'possum stalker
That, or he's a flat-head dipshit who overdosed on kippered beefsteak. It's a toss-up, really. Funny, I though he was making a two-brain cell attempt to imply that lib-rul’s are pussies while he has an enormous penis (inferiority complex and all that). Guess it amounts to about the same thing. ;)

[London_Calling]

Well thanks, tom. Nipples, Minnesota it is. I wonder if the town perks up in those harsh northern winters ? I still say he's making it up.

As for 'plonker'. I only know it as Sarf Lunnon slang, and not none of that rhyming slang neiver. 'round these parts it means someone for whom the term 'wanker' is too harsh, and who is also a little clumsy or naive.

[Desmostylus]

Plonker also appears in Oz slang, though I suspect it's originally British.

"Ya great plonker" = "Ya great wally"

Just imagine it as being said by Hagrid.

[flonks]

By doing a web search on Milum you give this guy waaaaay to much attention ...

[jjimm]

Originally posted by tomndebb
Actually, I suspect that the acronym is folk etymology and I really doubt the definition given. More likely is that plonker comes from the verb (or interjection) "plonk" meaning to use filters on one's mail software when reading a newsgroup to hide any submissions from another poster. (Or to use the "Ignore" feature in vB or UBB for the same purpose.) While I have not yet found a satisfactory citation to support me, my guess is that "plonk" is taken from old target shooting slang in which one "plonked" tin cans for fun and training.

[ quibble ] Milum would, in this instance, be the plonkee, not the plonker. [ /quibble ] "Plonker" was originally slang for "penis" in England, but has since mutated into a mild insult (as mentioned above). It was massively popularised in the UK by the comedy Only Fools and Horses, and was said repeatedly by the character Del-boy (http://www.geocities.com/delboy_the_great/) to his brother: "Rodney you plonker!"

Thus I conclude milum, in our context, is indeed a plonker.

[Kal]

Just a little one, though.

[Milum]

That's it!

I grow tired of tiny house dogs nipping at my heels. Tonight when the man-in-the-moon looks down into this godforsaken dark dank pit he will only see withering snakes and anti-humans. His search for the Milum will be in vain. The good and just Milum will be gone, leaving only his sorrow for the sorry vile lot that remains.

Good-bye...forever.

[flonks]

Promises, promises, only promises ...

[Desmostylus]

Originally posted by Milum
I grow tired of tiny house dogs nipping at my heels. You sound just like Libertarian. But he always comes back, too.

[Typo Negative]

Originally posted by Milum
That's it!

snip

Good-bye...forever. Buh Bye, now!

[PatriotX]

Originally posted by Milum

The good and just Milum will be gone, leaving only his sorrow for the sorry vile lot that remains.
Good-bye...forever.

Yeah, but I bet the one we're talking about returns.

[Dunderman]

Originally posted by Milum
Good-bye...forever.
And the board is one little bit closer to perfection.

[Squink]

Originally posted by Priceguy
And the board is one little bit closer to perfection. Nah, just a little more loaded down with Milum's BS (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4195866#post4195866).

[sailor]

Not only he refuses to leave but he persists in his delusions. http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4213594#post4213594

I know for a fact that I am liked by a few.
(Well maybe not a few but at least one or two.) Milum liked by one or two? What an optimistic delusion!

Make that one or none. My money is on none.

[Boo Boo Foo]

The following is a quote by Milum attempting to "put me down". He's assuming that Australia is some sort of radical left wing pinko socialist commie training ground as part of his put down.

Originally posted by Milum
You; having lived all these years in a PC world of bureaucratic control with no hope of excape from the smothering benoveloence of your socialist government. Your long suppressed desire to throw up must have become unbearable.

And then along comes Bush. Straight talking Bush. A man without pretense, a man with honor and with an honest concern for the plight of all the people of this world and the courage to advance upon tyrants.

No wonder you threw up. All the vile serpents and toxic lizards of socialism inside you were expelled when you wrote that therapeutic tirade against President Bush. That's the first step...a cleansing.Milum, I'm a pretty "out there" kinda guy when it comes to my eclectic tastes and humour - but man - you make me look like I'm totally fucking middle of the road.

For the sake of all that is good about the United States, and her people - stop being a mouthpiece on behalf of America.

['possum stalker]

Dear Australia, Europe, and the Rest of Almighty Creation,

We'd like to apologize for Milum's recent comments. I know he implied that you were filled with vile serpents and toxic lizards, and that your women were retarded. Please understand that this man does not represent us in any way. We believe his remarks may be attributable to a state of utter batshit insanity.

Sorry for the inconvenience,
the United States of America

[Beagle]

I would just like to point out that I made Milum's enemies list. :D

[tomndebb]

Originally posted by Milum
The good and just Milum will be gone, leaving only his sorrow for the sorry vile lot that remains.

Good-bye...forever. Well, Sméagol, kin-murderer, was never that much more "good and just" than Gollum, anyway, so it was hardly any loss. And now that Goll... Milum has returned to make a liar of himself, we should no longer have to worry about him pretending to be good and just--simply cranky, ill-informed, and bilious. (Sort of the way he's always been.)