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randwill
11-04-2003, 03:14 PM
I see and hear ads for companies that recover data from dead hard drives. How is this done? What do they have that the rest of us don't? Are their secret/expensive programs not available to the general public? Or do they actually open the hard drive and do something to the innards with special equipment?

Napier
11-04-2003, 03:40 PM
They could be doing both. Certainly, an intermediate step would be to process the signals from the heads in ways other than the drive and/or OS do, so that for example fragments of files that are no longer referenced in the drive's internal system ("file allocation system" or NT's replacement for it or whatever) are still recoverable as strings of bytes.
Opening a drive per se really ought to happen in a clean bench, and can be alot of trouble to do if you really want to avoid getting dust on the platters.

core
11-05-2003, 03:42 PM
Yes, they actually open them up. No secret/expensive software in the world is going to magically make a drive spin up if it refuses to do so on it's own. Plus even attempting to read it via traditional means would likely damage the data even further, depending on how exactly the drive failed.

On a related note: even if you delete all of your files and overwrite the space with meaningless data (several "privacy" apps can do this), it may still be possible to recover some of the data. Often times a faint magnetic ghost will remain, and it's possible to ascertain what was there before it got stomped on. I doubt any of these $1000 recovery services go to that extreme for you, but on the other hand if you're trying to get rid of something incriminating I'd be doing a helluva lot more than just overwriting it with random data once or twice.

randwill
11-05-2003, 04:05 PM
Well, if you're trying to get rid of something REALLY incriminating I would think a large rare earth magnet or a hammer might be the way to go.

Cardinal
11-05-2003, 07:23 PM
This has bee discussed here multiple times, and the consensus is that if you want the information gone, you'd better go the distance. The CIA or NSA is rumored (or more) to be able to pull information off drives that have been overwritten, sometimes enough to be substantial.

One guy said that when he was in the Navy, they would break open the drive, pour acid on the platters, hit them with a hammer, and then throw them in the ocean. Let's see a spy recover data off of that!

Cardinal
11-05-2003, 07:25 PM
Oh, and one guy mentioned that there often are temp files and printer spool files that people forget have been created, so info may be on your computer that was never "saved" on your HD at all, because you thought you were only using a floppy.

micco
11-05-2003, 07:55 PM
The government regs for protecting secure data call for several steps including overwriting the data many times with alternating sequences of data, mechanically shredding the device to relatively small pieces and then incinerating those pieces. A magnet or a hammer alone is unlikely to deter a determined (and well financed) snoop.

DreadCthulhu
11-05-2003, 08:28 PM
Methinks the best way to destroy the data is to use a 1920's style "Death Ray" on the disk in question.

DreadCthulhu
11-05-2003, 08:34 PM
Methinks the best way to destroy the data is to use a 1920's style "Death Ray" on the disk in question.

Cardinal
11-07-2003, 03:38 PM
You're saying that you could get data off a platter that has a big dent in it? Really?

badmana
11-07-2003, 03:53 PM
I dunno. I doubt much of a magnetic "ghost" would be present. If a modern HD developed too many "ghosts" I'm sure we would have had a rash of HD problems by now.

But if it's somehow true (I don't believe it though) then simply using a wipe program then filling the drive with porn should do it (that certainly isn't difficult!). Although data doesn't work like this, but 2 "layers" of info should be more than enough to obscure what was on the HD.

A strong magnet would be my second plan followed by melting the platters and grinding them down to dust.

gotpasswords
11-07-2003, 04:39 PM
A lot of newer drives (especially notebook drives) have glass platters (at the eensy-weensy sizes involved, glass is more stable than metal, and will attain and hold "optical" flatness better than metal) and a good stomp will pulverize your data into a pile of needle-sharp shards.

Not much chance of recovering anything from several hundred flakes of glass, especially if you don't know which platter a shard came from or from which side.

Alereon
11-07-2003, 06:28 PM
You can get data off of THOROUGHLY mangled platters. In fact, your average home user really has no technology that would allow them to prevent data from being recovered, aside from completely destroying the data layers on the HDD platters. Melting the whole HDD into slag is the preferred method for securing the data. Magnets and burning without melting will still leave easily recoverable data. It's practically impossible to prevent the recovery of data via software, even using multiple passes of a program that writes garbage to the disk. If you're just out to deter a determined snoop and not someone with access to a data recovery center, then a single pass of writing 0s to the entire disk will more than suffice.

Cardinal
11-07-2003, 07:26 PM
If the platter has a big dent in it, how is it read?

Alereon
11-07-2003, 07:31 PM
Move it at low speed under a head suspended over the surface. In short: Very carefully. The drive does have enough built in redundancy and error correction to be tolerant of even rather significant data damage.