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Fear Itself
12-30-2003, 12:58 PM
Domino's Pizza Drivers Think So (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=3&u=/nm/20031230/od_nm/pizza_dc) [A]ccording to a survey of Domino's Pizza drivers in Washington, D.C., released Monday by the pizza delivery chain... people with "Dean for President" bumper stickers on cars in their driveways tipped 22 percent higher than people with "Bush for President" bumper stickers. Maybe Republican wallets a just too light from RNC soft money donations.

FuzzyWuzzy06
12-30-2003, 02:04 PM
Maybe its that Dean supporters are rich liberal idealists that what a communist in power so the government can make everything better...

They probably feel bad for the Pizza delivery guy... and think that the government should run pizza deliveries... make it more efficient... like the post office or something...

It could be called the Department for Hot and Fresh Delivery.

elucidator
12-30-2003, 02:07 PM
Not in the slightest! The Pubbies are much more aware of the corrupting influence of money and power, they are concerned that thier fellow citizens be exposed to as little of its toxic effects as possible. Rather like smallpox: when one's soul is already scarred and pocked, more exposure to the pathogen is harmless, but it can have dreadful consequences for the innocent.

cainxinth
12-30-2003, 02:13 PM
This is why it's so terribly funny that Bush calls himself a "compassionate conservative." He wants to distinguish himself from regular old conservatives, who we must assume typically lack compassion.

FuzzyWuzzy06
12-30-2003, 02:35 PM
Ahh... yes... of course... compassion... otherwise known as the redistribution of wealth, or having government steal money from you to support lazy people who dont want to work

Fear Itself
12-30-2003, 02:42 PM
Welcome to the boards FuzzyWuzzy06, it is always good to have a voice that can so eloquently represent the conservative view. Come back often!

cmkeller
12-30-2003, 03:00 PM
Boy, talk about jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

A: Not all Democrats are Dean supporters.

B: Generosity involves more than merely tipping delivery boys.

C: Washington, DC is hardly the place to be if you want representative samplings of the two parties.

John Mace
12-30-2003, 03:01 PM
Are there any Wash DC driveways containing cars with Bush bumper stickers?

Perhaps a similar poll should be taken in "The OC".:)

SnoopyFan
12-30-2003, 03:38 PM
Wow, what a super scientific poll!!!!!!

Pfft.

I can make an argument for BOTH sides:

Democrats are more generous pizza tippers because they know that the delivery guy has been kept down by the white man/religious right/Republicans/etc. They feel sorry that the poor guy has to live in a society where he has to work hard day in and day out and probably doesn't even have health insurance because we're the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't have socialized medicine. He's probably making minimum wage and working 10 hours a day, yet he'll never make it because he wasn't born into an aristrocratic family. Poor guy. They tip more out of pity: their big tip just might be the only bright spot in the poor deliveryman's bleak day. Heaven knows his pathetic little working class life doesn't have anything else good going for it.

Republicans are more likely to tip big because they respect the deliveryman because he is out there busting his ass and isn't on welfare. They recognize that his pay might be low, but he's not lazy and they want to reward his hard work: maybe if he gets positive reinforcement for doing his job he won't quit his job and go on the welfare rolls. Plus many Republicans are religious and thus believe you reap what you sow: tip big and God will reward you somehow.

FWIW, I don't think it makes much difference. I'd be much more likely to say tipping is divided among gender lines: every waiter or waitress I've ever known says women are HORRIBLE tippers.

pervert
12-30-2003, 04:57 PM
I'm not sure why you focused on the democrat paragraph. It seems much more interesting that nudists are more generous than pajama wearing fuddy duddies.

According to the survey of 630 drivers, nine percent of people who answer the door in the nude tip more than 20 percent, compared with 2 percent of people in pajamas.

athansor
12-30-2003, 05:00 PM
In my own experience, as my views changed from Dem. to Rep. as I moved through my 20's, I became more generous. My reasoning was this: As a somewhat left-leaning democrat in my early 20's, I believed it was the government's responsibility to care for the "needy". So, if I saw a person who likely needed financial help, I made up my mind to vote in ways that would help him (but kept all my money, figuring that someday I'd be contributing by paying the higher taxes that my voting would bring about)

As I became more conservative, I came to the realization that if I no longer accepted the fact that the government's function was to feed and clothe the people, then I had to accept some of that responsibility for myself. I began donating money to causes and to individuals, volunteering and helping out in other ways.

Now, however, I'm moving away from the Republican party, as I don't feel that Pres. Bush is a conservative in the small government, balanced budget sense. (I don't believe in tax and spend, but cutting taxes and increasing taxes doesn't make sense either). I've registered as a Democrat for the first time in ages, and feel I can support a centrist Democrat like Lieberman or Clark. I don't believe this will change my feelings and actions with respect to 'generosity'.

Master Wang-Ka
12-30-2003, 05:32 PM
Depends on how you define "democrat" and "republican."

From my old political science classes, I once defined "Democrat" as "member of a political party that thinks government should be used as a tool to fix social ills," and "Republican" as "member of a political party that thinks government sucks and should be kept as small and weak as possible, while other organizations pick up the slack."

In recent years, though, it seems the definitions have changed. Under Bush, "Republican" seems to mean "member of an elite group (or a supporter of this group) that believes America should exist largely to fund and support their own private agenda," whereas "Democrat" seems to mean "Non-Republican in possession of some small measure of political power."

Paradoxical
12-30-2003, 05:40 PM
Wait aren't we missing the point? Maybe the pizza delivery boys are Democrats....!! And I believe Master Wang-Ka said it best.....

FuzzyWuzzy06
12-30-2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by athansor

Now, however, I'm moving away from the Republican party, as I don't feel that Pres. Bush is a conservative in the small government, balanced budget sense. (I don't believe in tax and spend, but cutting taxes and increasing taxes doesn't make sense either). I've registered as a Democrat for the first time in ages, and feel I can support a centrist Democrat like Lieberman or Clark. I don't believe this will change my feelings and actions with respect to 'generosity'.

You know, instead of switching back to the Dems because of Bush, you may want to look to a third party. If you do not like big government, look into the Libertarian Party. (www.lp.org) They are the largest 3rd party BY FAR, organized in all 50 states.

I found that their views are exactly what I believe. (basically that government should do what the Constitution lets them do, and gives freedom and liberty back to the people)

Unfortunately, there is no difference between the Repbulicans and Democrats. With either one in office, government grows and grows... The budget under Bush is a LOT bigger than it was under Clinton...

It's time we vote people with actual principles into office, not people who pander to get votes to stay in power.

Lockseer
12-30-2003, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by FuzzyWuzzy06
The budget under Bush is a LOT bigger than it was under Clinton...


Doesn't that just mean he's more generous with the nation's money? :dubious:

Anyway, isn't this where the right-wingers in the crowd are supposed to say something about how the budget is bigger under Bush because of things done during Clinton's presidency?

John Mace
12-30-2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Lockseer
Doesn't that just mean he's more generous with the nation's money? :dubious:

Anyway, isn't this where the right-wingers in the crowd are supposed to say something about how the budget is bigger under Bush because of things done during Clinton's presidency?
The Budget is bigger under Bush because:

1. The War in Iraq and (to a lesser extent) the War on Terror are new expenses.

2. Bush has made no discernable effort to reduce spending.

Brutus
12-30-2003, 08:39 PM
When you pay a couple of thousand bucks per person to breakfast with the President, not much is left to give to the pizza dude.

Not to mention, in South-Eastern Michigan, true Republicans feast on Jets or Buddies pizza, not that vile rot known as 'Dominos'.

Scylla
12-30-2003, 08:41 PM
Maybe Democrats just have bad taste in pizza?

cainxinth
12-30-2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Scylla
Maybe Democrats just have bad taste in pizza?

The Dems are highly concentrated on the coasts and the Repubs kind of fill in all the space between. You mean to tell me Topeka makes a better slice than NYC? Outrageous!

elucidator
12-30-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by FuzzyWuzzy06
Ahh... yes... of course... compassion... otherwise known as the redistribution of wealth, or having government steal money from you to support lazy people who dont want to work

To echo Fear Its: indeed, too frequently these boards are infested with liberals who merely toss about empty lefty slogans and shallow slurs on their social betters. A bit of crisp Social Darwinism is just the ticket.

Neurotik
12-30-2003, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by cainxinth
The Dems are highly concentrated on the coasts and the Repubs kind of fill in all the space between. You mean to tell me Topeka makes a better slice than NYC? Outrageous!
I think Chicago does.

Scylla
12-30-2003, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by cainxinth
The Dems are highly concentrated on the coasts and the Repubs kind of fill in all the space between. You mean to tell me Topeka makes a better slice than NYC? Outrageous!

If you look at it carefully, the best pizza making cities are tradittionally Democratic. New York, Chicago, etc.

It is specifically because of the political perversity that leads Democrats in NY to order Dominos pizza when great pizza is easily available, that makes me so proud to be a Republican.

Topeka may not have great pizza, but the Republicans in Kansas are working with what they have, and you don't see them ordering Dominos, Do you?

Neurotik
12-30-2003, 10:43 PM
Well, the poll was taken in Washington, DC and I don't think the best pizza place in the city (Alberto's off DuPont Circle) delivers. Although there is still Papa Johns.

elucidator
12-30-2003, 10:51 PM
My liberal heart is wrenched by the gravity of this conversation, squandered on what is little more than an oversize, poorly baked cracker smeared with ketchup, morbid cheeses, and a variety of "meats".

This is what happens when children are deprived of genuine barbeque at an early age.

Scylla
12-30-2003, 10:51 PM
I guess that means the Republicans would rather drive to Albertos than have shitty Dominos delivered.

I guess that pretty much says it.

Vote Republican if you don't want to eat Dominos pizza for the next four years.

elucidator
12-30-2003, 10:54 PM
Vote Republican if you want to deliver Domino's pizza for the next four years.

John Mace
12-30-2003, 11:01 PM
You mean there are going to be some jobs afterall?:)

elucidator
12-30-2003, 11:10 PM
Certainly! And an abundance!

Minimum wage, of course, humiliating, humbling, inhumane.....commonly called a "hum job" amongst the undeserving.

Scylla
12-30-2003, 11:12 PM
Dammit Mace, you beat me to it.

Neurotik
12-30-2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Scylla
I guess that means the Republicans would rather drive to Albertos than have shitty Dominos delivered.
Republicans? In DuPont Circle? It is to laugh. And where would they park while they got their pizza?

No, no. It's clearly liberals taking the metro and walking to get fantastic pizza in the Circle.

cainxinth
12-30-2003, 11:22 PM
This is the height of absurdity!

Barbeque better than pizza? Let's try and keep this debate within the purview of reasonable extrapolations of the food to political reality quotient.

Scylla
12-30-2003, 11:23 PM
A shallow falsehood, Neurotik. For, if they were getting fantastic pizza in the Circle they wouldn't be ordering from Dominos then, would they? Would they?

Therefore by the two party system axiom it must be the Rebublicans at Alberto's, unless you think the Libertarians or the Greens know good pizza, and that would be just silly.

John Mace
12-30-2003, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by elucidator
Certainly! And an abundance!

Minimum wage, of course, humiliating, humbling, inhumane.....commonly called a "hum job" amongst the undeserving.
"Hum job"... Democrats... Low wage workers....

Now it all makes sense! That was no tip. That was pay for services rendered.

elucidator
12-30-2003, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by cainxinth
...Barbeque better than pizza?...

Only in the same way that seven hours of hot monkey love is better than Amish porno.

Scylla
12-30-2003, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by elucidator
Only in the same way that seven hours of hot monkey love is better than Amish porno.

Amish Porn is when they go in the backyard and watch the sheep boink.

Sam Stone
12-30-2003, 11:42 PM
To me, all this indicates is that Democrats don't understand how to conduct a scientific poll.

Why anyone would pay even the slightest attention to this is beyond me, unless of course they were just looking for another opportunity to take a cheap shot at people who don't think like they do.

pervert
12-30-2003, 11:46 PM
Watch it Scylla. Sheep are people too, you know. Besides which sodomy is just a state of mind.

And good barbeque is far better than great pizza.

"Ripe meat off the bone!" <you have to trill the rrrs>

elucidator
12-30-2003, 11:47 PM
Two words, Sam. Canadian pizza. Say it with a straight face, I dare you.

pervert
12-30-2003, 11:49 PM
Now lets not go too far the other way. Hawaiian pizza is quite good.

Sam Stone
12-31-2003, 12:32 AM
elucidator: It all gets very fuzzy. For example, one of our most popular pizza chains is called "Boston Pizza", but from what I understand, there aren't any outlets actually in Boston.

They also have a pizza called a "Great White North" which is awesome.

Anyway, Canadian pizza has a big advantage over American Pizza - you can order it with real beer.

Neurotik
12-31-2003, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Scylla
A shallow falsehood, Neurotik. For, if they were getting fantastic pizza in the Circle they wouldn't be ordering from Dominos then, would they? Would they?

Therefore by the two party system axiom it must be the Rebublicans at Alberto's, unless you think the Libertarians or the Greens know good pizza, and that would be just silly.
Nonsense. The study clearly shows that Republicans and Democrats both order Domino's.

What I'm sure has happened is that due to vicious Republican oppression, these noble Democrats have been forced to stay in their humble, blue collar abodes for fear of public persecution by crypto-fascists in the CIA, FBI and DoD (also known collectively as The Man) and order their pizza from generic national chains.

Republicans, with no other explanation ready, apparently enjoy Domino's. It's sick, really.

elucidator
12-31-2003, 12:37 AM
So what goes best with a whale blubber and lichen pizza? LaBlatts or Moulson?

Neurotik
12-31-2003, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Sam Stone
Anyway, Canadian pizza has a big advantage over American Pizza - you can order it with real beer.
This from the country that produces Labatt?

elucidator
12-31-2003, 01:14 AM
These Canadians have been developing quite the attitude, of late. I say we raise their rent.

Neurotik
12-31-2003, 01:17 AM
Great. Does that mean we have to deal with more of their "quarters" in circulation?

elucidator
12-31-2003, 01:23 AM
Mmmmm, I take your point. A cash increase would be more trouble than its worth. Perhaps they could surrender the fishing rights to all inland waters. Then we could say "All your bass are belong to us!"

pervert
12-31-2003, 01:30 AM
Mightent we need to start importing workers to fill the uh, well, jobs you mentioned earlier? Perhaps we could import some sort of cross country hummers?

yorick73
12-31-2003, 11:57 AM
Democrats are more generous than Republicans with OTHER people's money

pervert
12-31-2003, 01:18 PM
No, no, no, yorick73. Read the article. Democrats are more generous to people who service them.




You know... like the borg.

elucidator
12-31-2003, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by yorick73
Democrats are more generous than Republicans with OTHER people's money

Tax me. Tax me till my eyes bleed.

Tax me until not one child goes to a second-rate school without breakfast and little prospect of lunch. Until we can offer genuine opportunity rather than bilious and self-serving blather about entreprenuership and bootstraps. Tax me until my grandmother's drug benefits are on a par with the millionaire's club members who decide her fate. Tax me until the poorest and weakest of our fellow citizens have the same protection against want and need as those who are perfectly content to leave them so.

Comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable. Its a plan!

Debaser
12-31-2003, 02:13 PM
If only the rest of the liberals were so honest about their intentions as you, elucidator.

elucidator
12-31-2003, 02:25 PM
And if only the conservatives were willing to live the sentimental bilge they solemnly intone when in church, I wouldn't even be necessary.

pervert
12-31-2003, 03:07 PM
Now, Now, we were having a nice conversation about pizza, beer and hum jobs. Do we really have to bring politics in here and ruin it?

danceswithcats
12-31-2003, 04:03 PM
As put by P J O'Rourke: When Republicans ruin the environment, destroy the supply of affordable housing, and wreck the industrial infrastructure, at least they make a buck off it. The Democrats do these things for fun.

elucidator
12-31-2003, 04:13 PM
Yeah, ol' P.J. is a stitch, I've read every word. I've gotten a bit bored with him constantly telling me about how he used to be a hippy and now he has a drinking problem. I guess we're supposed to think that was a smart move. Hell, maybe it was.

Of course, the quote is an utter crock o' shit, but I don't let the facts get in the way of a good line. Jokes are good for you. Hope his liver holds out.

On the alternate view, Willie Nelson: I gave up whiskey for weed in 1974, may be the only smart thing I ever did.

Chicago Faucet
12-31-2003, 04:16 PM
Are Democrats More Generous Than Republicans?

Sure. With other peoples' money.

Chicago Faucet
12-31-2003, 04:21 PM
I just realized that what I posted was posted before. But it's a good point and needed said again.

Debaser
12-31-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by elucidator
And if only the conservatives were willing to live the sentimental bilge they solemnly intone when in church, I wouldn't even be necessary.

The only time you'll find this conservative in a church is if somebody is getting married or somebody died.

;)

John Mace
12-31-2003, 05:22 PM
How does the saying go: If you're not a liberal in your 20s you have no heart. If you're not a conservative in your 30s you have no brain.

pervert
12-31-2003, 05:47 PM
I always liked the one about the puppies who were democrats when they were born but then switched when their eyes opened.

rjung
12-31-2003, 05:59 PM
Democrats may be generous with other people's money, but at least they share the darn thing -- unlike Republicans, who simply want to horde it all for themselves and leave you out in the cold. :rolleyes:

(Is this Great Debates, or just whiny conservative stereotyping day?)

John Mace
12-31-2003, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by rjung
Democrats may be generous with other people's money, but at least they share the darn thing -- unlike Republicans, who simply want to horde it all for themselves and leave you out in the cold. :rolleyes:

(Is this Great Debates, or just whiny conservative stereotyping day?)
My bolding.

Apparently, it's whiny liberal day as well.:)

Happy New Year all!

Sam Stone
12-31-2003, 06:32 PM
I always liked the one about the puppies who were democrats when they were born but then switched when their eyes opened.


Aww, you've got to tell the joke correctly. I believe I heard it first from Bob Dole. It goes like this:


When I got to Washington, I was walking towards the Capitol on my first day when I saw a kid with a box full of newborn puppies, and a sign that said "Democrat puppies for sale". Wow, I thought. Even the kids in Washington play the political game.

For several days, I'd walk past that kid with his "Democrat puppies" sign. Then one day the kid was there, but the sign now said, "Republican puppies for sale". I thought they looked like the same puppies, so I stopped and asked the kid, "Weren't these the same puppies you said were Democrat puppies yesterday?"

The kid replied, "Yeah, but last night their eyes opened."



(rimshot)

manhattan
12-31-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by SnoopyFan
I can make an argument for BOTH sides:

Democrats are more generous pizza tippers because they know that the delivery guy has been kept down by the white man/religious right/Republicans/etc...

Republicans are more likely to tip big because they respect the deliveryman because he is out there busting his ass and isn't on welfare. Clearly, you are not a supply-sider. :p

The answer is obvious. The Republicans are currently in power, which means that many of the Republicans in the Washington, D.C. are living on a government salary and have to conserve their resources. The Democrats in the area by and large work for lobbying and law firms and are dripping in dough (heh).

In a Democratic administration/Congress, the situations would reverse. ;)

elucidator
12-31-2003, 08:14 PM
"Well, 'mam, I've only been a Republican for about five minutes, and already I feel like screwing somebody!"

pervert
12-31-2003, 08:35 PM
Sorry, Sam, but I've heard it a couple times. I heard it was Bill who say the Democratic puppies, but when he tried to show Hillary, they had opened their eyes.

I thought is was an epithet tossing contest.

PersonA, "You're a bleeding heart!"

PersonB, "Yea? Well your a cold blooded bastard!"

PersonC, "Hah! your both silly. I'm a moderate."

PersonAnd B together, "Get HIM!"

Sam Stone
12-31-2003, 09:52 PM
Actually, now that you mention it, you're right. It was told about Bill and Hillary, but I can't remember who told the joke.

elfkin477
01-01-2004, 12:57 AM
I think I might be part of the problem. I'm republican and I've never in my life tipped a pizza delivery person. Never. Of course, eating pizza makes me get a bad rash (even in my mouth, eww) so I tend to run from them screaming, but I'm sure people like me skew the results...

elucidator
01-01-2004, 01:35 AM
Well, now, if you mean to say that you've never tipped a pizza delivery person because you never ordered pizza, that's one thing. But if you mean that you don't tip as a matter of principle....

That's another kettle of fish. You can't not tip, you just can't.

There is a segment of humanity that can serve another humbly and cheerfully, banishing all thought of thier own dignity. They have many special names for such as these: slaves, for the sake of brevity. Saints and avatars as well, perhaps...

Most Americans, and more and more earthlings, find such a position irksome and oppressive. If we respect thier dignity as people, we must respect thier service the same way: Of course we don't deserve to be treated with such deference, heaven knows nobody would do it who wasn't paid.

But if we know he makes this sacrifice of sacred dignity

and we do not honor that sacrifice..

we degrade him, and us. If you can't afford to tip, don't order.

rjung
01-01-2004, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by John Mace
Apparently, it's whiny liberal day as well.:)

Hey, turnabout is fair play, and all that. ;)

elfkin477
01-01-2004, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by elucidator
Well, now, if you mean to say that you've never tipped a pizza delivery person because you never ordered pizza, that's one thing. But if you mean that you don't tip as a matter of principle....

That's another kettle of fish. You can't not tip, you just can't.


Oh, of course not. I tip 15 to 20% generally, more if the service is exceptional.

Fear Itself
01-01-2004, 11:03 AM
Here an interesting take on the OP (remember that?)

Paula Jones (yes, THAT Paula Jones!) on politicians and tipping (http://www.bartcop.com/0244.htm) Paula Jones Crashes Party Convention

MARINA DEL RAY, Calif. - Just when we thought we could put Paula Jones behind us, guess who is staying in the same hotel as a bunch of Democrats?

None other than Paula Jones, Headmistress of oral sex, President of the Oral Majority. She was in the hotel looby with a sign reading, "Have Lips, Will Travel." Jones, dressed in a tight red, white and blue sweater, says she's making big bucks.

"Yeah, I'm here for the Democratic convention," she said, when approached in the gift shop of the Marina Beach Marriott. "Can you imagine the irony? Democrats are so much better tippers than Republicans."Nothing like biting the hand that feeds you.

elucidator
01-01-2004, 06:03 PM
I am not touching that straight line, and I deserve considerable points for that restraint.

SPOOFE
01-01-2004, 07:00 PM
Conservatives are greedy, and liberals wanna rape Jesus (and bless 'em for it!).

As for the pizza delivery boy thing... has anyone thought of the possibility that Republicans park their fancy cars in the garage, and so the delivery guys couldn't see 'em? Democrats always got their garages full of liberal detritus, and they always - ALWAYS, I tells ya! - have to park in the street.

smiling bandit
01-02-2004, 02:58 PM
You know, I rarely tip Pizza delivery guys. According to my understanding, they get a full wage and an allowance for gas, or at least thats what some hiring ad said around here. So, to my thinking, someone whose job is to drive my door and deliver does not particularly deserve a heavy tip. The hardest part about it is going to be finding the house. Generally I leave them a dollor or two over the price, simply because I need no change from that $20 bill, but its not as if they're offering me some kind of exceptional service by driving a mile and making three turns to get to my doorstep.

Now, in-restaurant is different, and I usually tip more for the deliverymen who bring our large office lunch orders, since they are really busy and carry lots of food on them.