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Musicat
02-09-2004, 11:07 AM
Talk about shattering your hopes of a relatively crash-free flight. From CNN: (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/02/09/airline.christianity/)
A pilot asked passengers on an American Airlines flight to identify themselves as Christians, calling those who aren't "crazy," some of the passengers said Monday.
No passengers raised their hands, Austin said. I guess not. They were too busy looking for the nearest emergency exit and calling their loved ones, Christians or not.

gobear
02-09-2004, 11:34 AM
Praise Jesus for lifting up the Gospel! Them people ought to be plumb glad their pilot wasn't Raptured, so's they all would have a chance to git right with the Lord! The unsaved have no right not to hear the Word cause these here United States is a Christian country, so it stands to reason that Christians oughtta have more rights than anybody else. Anyhoo, I bet them hellbound sinners was right glad to have one of the Saints even sit near them, let alone talk to them about the blessed, blessed joys of self-denial and unceasing hymn-singing up yonder in Heaven. Lessen, of course, they was a Jew or an evolutionist or some such, cause ain't no helpin' some folks.

Metacom
02-09-2004, 11:46 AM
Ya know, the pilot was a tasteless jackass, and doubtless his airline is gonna spank him for this.

But front-page coverage on cnn.com seems like overkill....

Cheesesteak
02-09-2004, 11:48 AM
But front-page coverage on cnn.com seems like overkill....Yeah, whatever happened to just quietly telling someone to not bother coming back to work?

Casey1505
02-09-2004, 11:57 AM
No passengers raised their hands, Austin said. Nobody believed he had a co-pilot?

EddyTeddyFreddy
02-09-2004, 11:59 AM
From the CNN story:
In a statement, the airline said, "It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not be appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job." :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: OUCH!

Dammit, doncha just hate it when your eyes roll so far they whack into the back of your skull?

Revtim
02-09-2004, 12:03 PM
I wouldn't find it comforting to know that the pilot of a craft I'm in is probably looking forward to his/her afterlife. I want someone flying my plane who's *really* fearing death.

Kalhoun
02-09-2004, 12:38 PM
Feh. See how far he'd have gotten if he was Muslim. They'd have carted him away.

rsa
02-09-2004, 12:45 PM
Considering that many of the passengers were worried that the pilot might do something, I think that a pilot scaring his passengers is pretty big news.

Austin said passengers were shocked. Some reached for their mobile phones and others used the on-flight phones, she said.

"Just given the history of what's happened on planes in this country, anything can happen at this point, " Austin said. "So we weren't sure if something was going to happen at takeoff, if he was going to wait until JFK [John F. Kennedy Airport] to do something. But there was definitely implication there that we felt that something was going to happen."

Passengers complained to the flight attendants, who relayed their concerns to the cockpit, and then reassured them they had no nothing to worry about on the flight, Austin said.

The pilot apologized to the flight attendents for causing them trouble, but didn't apologize to the passengers. :rolleyes:

gluteus maximus
02-09-2004, 01:18 PM
From reading the CNN report, it seems the plane was already airborne when the pilot made his 'greeting', but if I'd been on that flight, I think I might have been slightly inclined to mutiny. I hope the airline does a bit more than 'spank' the jerk.

I'm glad CNN announced this. I won't be flying American 'Christian terrorist piloted' Airlines, you betcha!

It certainly seems this pilot should be prosecuted under the new anti-terrorism laws, doesn't it? I mean, he made ALL of the Christian passengers afraid enough to deny their religious beliefs, right?

No passengers raised their hands, Austin said.

And just a few weeks away from Good Friday (before the cock crows twice...)

OK, maybe the passengers were all Jews, Buddhists, atheists, Muslims, Scientologists...

tdn
02-09-2004, 01:47 PM
How long before we start hearing protests in the papers and on the 'net complaining about AA's persecution of poor God-fearing pilots, and/or how atheism has taken over airlines that were founded on the bible?

How long until xian protesters start picketing AA?

How long until Bush agrees with them publicly?

My guesses are Wed the 11th at 9am EST, Sat the 14th at noon, and never, respectively.

Metacom
02-09-2004, 01:53 PM
How long before we start hearing protests in the papers and on the 'net complaining about AA's persecution of poor God-fearing pilots, and/or how atheism has taken over airlines that were founded on the bible?

How long until xian protesters start picketing AA?

How long until Bush agrees with them publicly?

My guesses are Wed the 11th at 9am EST, Sat the 14th at noon, and never, respectively.
My guess is never, never, and never (or at least not in any kind of significant numbers).

Fundamentalist evangelicals are scary for soooo many legitimate reasons that this seems like a silly thing to harp on....

Starbury
02-09-2004, 01:54 PM
How long until we start making ridiculous predictions based on the actions of one airline pilot?

Oh. We already started doing that.

rjung
02-09-2004, 01:58 PM
But front-page coverage on cnn.com seems like overkill....
Why? It's closer to front-page material than Janet Jackson's boobie incident was, and look at all the coverage that has gotten.

And I'm with tdn -- I wouldn't be surprised if I start getting chain-emails telling me that this incident is "another example of Christian persecution in the United States, oh woe is me." :rolleyes:

tdn
02-09-2004, 02:02 PM
My guess is never, never, and never (or at least not in any kind of significant numbers).

Depends on what you define as significant, but I'll stand by my bet. Time will tell.

Merkwurdigliebe
02-09-2004, 02:23 PM
Well, I fly alot and I'll never fly AA if this guy doesn't get canned. If he would have said "if you aren't a Christian then please get off the plane," I would have left although I am a Christian. I don't know much about why these people believe these kinds of things and my relationship with Christianity is tenuous at best, but I believe that a lot of things Christ said were basically rules for living a happy life. One of those is basically to have empathy for every human being its what Jesus did and isn't that one of the points of being Christian? Acting like the way he did is fucked up and is in no way considerate of your fellow human being. All of these attempts by Christians to force ideology on others is total bullshit and is only fearmongering. If being a Christian is about fear and judging others then that's not what I want to be. Fuck him and his goddamn hypocritical ideology. If there's someone there he's trying to convert then he most likely did more harm than good. This kind of shit is really scary to me because its just as scary as islamic fundementalism except that it is tolerated.

Its just the same as these fuckers writing books about how in heaven you'll be a thinner prettier version of yourself in a paradise that is a mixture of Paris, New York, and Disneyland. These people are lunatics who have really gotten out of hand.

gobear
02-09-2004, 02:26 PM
What you hellbound heathen don't understand is that this here is a Christian nation, so it just stands to reason that Christians got more rights than other folks. They ain't no such thing as freedom "from" religion, so if you all object to being preached at in a confined space, then you're persecuting Christians!

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hajario
02-09-2004, 02:37 PM
What really scared the passengers was this:

The pilot asked passengers to look around at each other and use their 4 1/2-hour flight wisely or "just sit back and watch the movie,"

(from CNN).

The pilot was shockingly stupid to make that announcement. If I were on that flight I'd be furious.

Haj

neofishboy
02-09-2004, 02:59 PM
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But why Dorset?

blowero
02-09-2004, 03:04 PM
And I'm with tdn -- I wouldn't be surprised if I start getting chain-emails telling me that this incident is "another example of Christian persecution in the United States, oh woe is me." :rolleyes:
Wouldn't surprise me at all - I've seen much more ridiculous glurge than that making the rounds.

FordPrefect
02-09-2004, 03:24 PM
Perhaps the pilot was just drunk. :)

tdn
02-09-2004, 03:36 PM
Perhaps the pilot was just drunk. :)

Yeah. :rolleyes:

One can only hope.

Musicat
02-09-2004, 03:50 PM
I wouldn't have started this thread if I wasn't upset by the news article just like everyone else seems to be. But, in retrospect, after the initial shock, could there be another explanation for the pilot's action? "The pilot came on to greet everyone...and he said he'd recently been on a mission trip..." So he just returned from a "retreat" where he was all pumped up about JC or some other mythical character, his life had just changed for the better, he thinks, and he wanted to share it with everyone else. Maybe? Maybe his unwise choice of words spooked people when he only meant to be overly-brotherly?

Not that I condone it, just a thought...

hajario
02-09-2004, 04:01 PM
Maybe his unwise choice of words spooked people when he only meant to be overly-brotherly?

I'm certain that that's exactly what happened. It wouldn't have pissed me off any less though.

Haj

tdn
02-09-2004, 04:26 PM
I'm certain that that's exactly what happened.

I was going to say that too. But his "make good use of your time" comment came off as really snarky, at least in print. And the reactions of passengers may give us some indication of his tone of voice.

Nonetheless, giving him the absolute benefit of the doubt, it still showed extremely poor judgement. And as I expect pilots to show good judgement, I would be a little nervous flying with the guy.

NutWrench
02-09-2004, 04:41 PM
Maybe the pilot was trying to fly to Heaven and he needed some help. :D

blowero
02-09-2004, 04:43 PM
I agree with haj. It sounded to me like it was a misunderstanding; I don't think the pilot had any nefarious purpose in mind. The problem was that what he said was so wildly inappropriate. You can avoid misunderstandings like that by not saying inappropriate things in the first place.

Revtim
02-09-2004, 05:07 PM
How ironic it would it be if AA fired him and he had to go work for Hooters Air....

El Gui
02-09-2004, 05:52 PM
"'If you are not [a christian], you're crazy.' "

That's rather hard to misunderstand, no?

And it's not very "brotherly", either.

Merkwurdigliebe
02-09-2004, 05:56 PM
nah, I call bullshit.

He said, "If you are a Christian, Raise your hand"

and then he said that if you weren't then you were crazy and you needed to speak with one. For all the passengers knew he was about to crash the plane into the ground. You should never have to do that kind of shit anywhere outside of a church, never in public anywhere, much less on a plane where your life could be in the hands of a couple of nuts.

Really Not All That Bright
02-09-2004, 06:28 PM
Feh. See how far he'd have gotten if he was Muslim. They'd have carted him away.

No, they'd have shot the plane down.

Edlyn
02-09-2004, 07:08 PM
I wouldn't have started this thread if I wasn't upset by the news article just like everyone else seems to be. But, in retrospect, after the initial shock, could there be another explanation for the pilot's action? "The pilot came on to greet everyone...and he said he'd recently been on a mission trip..." So he just returned from a "retreat" where he was all pumped up about JC or some other mythical character, his life had just changed for the better, he thinks, and he wanted to share it with everyone else. Maybe? Maybe his unwise choice of words spooked people when he only meant to be overly-brotherly?

Not that I condone it, just a thought...

I was really surprised to hear of the pilot's action, but if I had been on the plane I would have assumed that was the case. As for the rest of the report, I'd like to hear his comments before making a judgement just based on a few freaked out passengers. After all, some people do freak out just at the mention of someone being a christian.

Am glad I read this thread though! Now that I know which airline most of you won't fly again, I know which one I will. :D

Cervaise
02-09-2004, 07:18 PM
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Doomtrain
02-09-2004, 07:42 PM
I find it funny that in a supposedly "Christian nation" like this, an expression of faith is met by everyone reaching for their phones and getting nervous.

Really Not All That Bright
02-09-2004, 07:51 PM
Who says it's a Christian nation?

iampunha
02-09-2004, 08:31 PM
Am glad I read this thread though! Now that I know which airline most of you won't fly again, I know which one I will. :D

You'll get your choice of aisle or window, that's for sure;)

EddyTeddyFreddy
02-09-2004, 08:45 PM
I find it funny that in a supposedly "Christian nation" like this, an expression of faith is met by everyone reaching for their phones and getting nervous. Perhaps the passengers remembered the 1999 crash of EgyptAir Flight 990 (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/21/ntsb.egypt.air/). I know that's one of the first things that popped into my mind when I read the linked story here.

Revtim
02-09-2004, 08:51 PM
Who says it's a Christian nation?A lot of Christians do. My Mom's family for example.

Typo Negative
02-09-2004, 09:31 PM
Feh. See how far he'd have gotten if he was Muslim. They'd have carted him away.
Oh, they are gonna cart this guy away. Just delayed and quiet.



But to me, this smacks of someone trying to get fired or get a disability benefit or a lawsuit, some sort of scam.


Yep, there's a scam in here somewhere. I can feel it....

Doomtrain
02-09-2004, 09:33 PM
Who says it's a Christian nation?

I did a Google search on "United States is a Christian Nation". You're welcome to peruse the links here. (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22United+States+is+a+Christian+Nation%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=)

From this page, (http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/9/9.aspx) I found the interesting quote...

"The poll found that 45 percent of Americans hold the view that the United States is a secular nation in which religious belief, or lack of it, is not a defining characteristic. Twenty-nine percent believe the United States is a Christian nation, and another 16 percent believe the United States is a Biblical nation, defined by the Judeo-Christian tradition."

Evidently SOMEONE does, thus the snarky tone of my post.

lel
02-09-2004, 10:08 PM
I find it funny that in a supposedly "Christian nation" like this, an expression of faith is met by everyone reaching for their phones and getting nervous.

Hey, I've read Left Behind and a number of the sequels. I'd be getting pretty concerned myself.

blowero
02-10-2004, 12:50 AM
"'If you are not [a christian], you're crazy.' "

That's rather hard to misunderstand, no?

And it's not very "brotherly", either.
Were you responding to me? Because I was saying that what was "misunderstood" was whether the pilot intended to do something crazy like crashing the plane, not whether he was being an asshole. I'm sure I was clear about that. Some of the passengers were afraid he might do something crazy. But don't you think that if the guy intended to crash the plane, he would have done so?

kaylasdad99
02-10-2004, 01:12 AM
Were you responding to me? Because I was saying that what was "misunderstood" was whether the pilot intended to do something crazy like crashing the plane, not whether he was being an asshole. I'm sure I was clear about that. Some of the passengers were afraid he might do something crazy. But don't you think that if the guy intended to crash the plane, he would have done so?Well it's very easy to conclude that now, after the plane is safely on the ground.

Very poor judgement on the pilot's part. Maybe he was, as has been suggested just "high on Jesus" following a deeply spiritual experience. But I think the preference these days is for airline pilots to not be high on anything at all.

blowero
02-10-2004, 02:06 AM
Well it's very easy to conclude that now, after the plane is safely on the ground.

What does that mean? Are you of the opinion that the pilot intended to crash the plane? I'm just not seeing it. I'm as much against what he said as the next guy, but that's no reason to make wild assumptions. I'd need a little more evidence before I accuse someone of attempted murder.:rolleyes:

Gala Matrix Fire
02-10-2004, 05:29 AM
I wonder what the pilot thought when nobody raised a hand.

TeaElle
02-10-2004, 07:37 AM
The notoriously sensationalistic "news" on IMDb.com is reporting that one of the passengers on the flight was actor Jason Biggs, of the [i]American Pie[i] flicks. I wish he'd have had the forethought to raise his hand and say "I may not be a Christian, but I love pie. Who else loves pie?" :D

Oh, and on behalf of sane Christians nationwide, I apologize for the dimwitted pilot. We aren't all like that, folks. Really.

hajario
02-10-2004, 10:20 AM
What does that mean? Are you of the opinion that the pilot intended to crash the plane? I'm just not seeing it. I'm as much against what he said as the next guy, but that's no reason to make wild assumptions. I'd need a little more evidence before I accuse someone of attempted murder.:rolleyes:

With 20/20 hindsight, it's pretty clear that he had no intention to crash the plane. To those on the plane immediately after the announcement was made, it wasn't all that clear. Some of those passengers may well have been terrified.

Haj

ElvisL1ves
02-10-2004, 11:57 AM
If I'd been on board, my thoughts would have immediately turned to Egyptair 990 and pilot Gamel el-Batouti repeatedly chanting "I rely on God" as he dove it into the ocean. Christian religious fanatics can be just as deadly as any other kind.

Otto
02-10-2004, 12:35 PM
The pilot did an brief interview with, of all places, The Advocate (http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=11260&sd=02/10/04). The editor happened to be on the flight.
He ... explain[ed] that he felt God wanted him to witness to the passengers on his first flight upon returning to work for American Airlines after his mission [in Costa Rica]. Despite this feeling, he said, he had decided not to say anything--but then he got another sign from God.

A minor problem with the plane's braking system had developed during final checks before takeoff, he said, a problem that might have grounded the aircraft, on which every seat was taken, in part because another American flight from Los Angeles to New York had been canceled that morning. But after a simple maneuver involving a power source, the braking problem inexplicably "disappeared," Findiesen said, and the plane was cleared for departure, and that's when he knew he had to use the P.A. system to talk about his Christian faith.

vibrotronica
02-10-2004, 01:19 PM
Well, that does it for me. He was getting signs from God. He's not just an over-enthusiastic evangelical proselytizer; he's crazy. I don't want to fly with him. He should be fired.

Gyrate
02-10-2004, 06:09 PM
From the CNN story:
In a statement, the airline said, "It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not be appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job." I thought this was a masterful piece of writing. Calm, controlled, and with undertones to suggest that somewhere at the airline headquarters a pilot was getting a dressing down so extreme his earlobes would melt.

Jackmannii
02-10-2004, 06:30 PM
"A minor problem with the plane's braking system had developed during final checks before takeoff, he said, a problem that might have grounded the aircraft, on which every seat was taken, in part because another American flight from Los Angeles to New York had been canceled that morning. But after a simple maneuver involving a power source, the braking problem inexplicably "disappeared," Findiesen said, and the plane was cleared for departure, and that's when he knew he had to use the P.A. system to talk about his Christian faith."

How big a step is it to "Captain, we're getting a warning light about the landing gear not being fully extended." "Don't worry. My faith tells me the gear will hold."


Well, probably a pretty big step. But I don't want to fly with him either.

vanilla
02-10-2004, 07:08 PM
How long before we start hearing protests in the papers and on the 'net complaining about AA's persecution of poor God-fearing pilots, and/or how atheism has taken over airlines that were founded on the bible?



How long until Bush agrees with them publicly?

.

This just struck me as funny, very clever, too.
that were founded on the bible!
LOL
I know some christians are discussing this, saying whats wrong with that?
However, if one had said "Any Jews? Want to tell the rest of the passengers why Jesus wasn't the messiah?" they would be UP IN ARMS.

I found gobear's comment about the pilot being raptured funny too.
Imagine if he had been.

iampunha
02-10-2004, 07:58 PM
I know some christians are discussing this, saying whats wrong with that?
However, if one had said "Any Jews? Want to tell the rest of the passengers why Jesus wasn't the messiah?" they would be UP IN ARMS.

I dunno, I tend to have an issue with a pilot who thinks it's his place, in his profession which has nothing inherently related to religion of any sort, to openly ask who on the plane shares that faith, and to further proclaim that all who do not are crazy. Even if that is his sincere personal belief, it's not something appropriate for a workplace environment.

My best guess, as you noted above, is that the way to explain the issue of this with them is to replace "Christian" with something they see nothing wrong with not being. For example, your friends probably see no issue with people who are not in the general practice of raping puppies or killing virgins on their wedding night.

vanilla
02-10-2004, 08:05 PM
killing a virgin on their wedding night?

Gosh, how big would the guy have to be???
:p

iampunha
02-10-2004, 08:45 PM
I guess asking John Holmes is out, eh?

Dr. Lao
02-10-2004, 08:57 PM
A minor problem with the plane's braking system had developed during final checks before takeoff, he said, a problem that might have grounded the aircraft, on which every seat was taken, in part because another American flight from Los Angeles to New York had been canceled that morning. But after a simple maneuver involving a power source, the braking problem inexplicably "disappeared," Findiesen said, and the plane was cleared for departure, and that's when he knew he had to use the P.A. system to talk about his Christian faith.This guy sounds like the kind of person who hits every green light on the way home from work and thinks it's a "sign" from God.

enipla
02-10-2004, 09:02 PM
Heh,

Fire the ass as soon as he lands.

He has a job to do.

He does not know how to do his job. Bingo, bango. Goodby.

Fire the guy on the spot.

Richard Pearse
02-10-2004, 10:52 PM
I disagree. Although his actions were clearly wrong, I believe everyone should be given opportunity to improve themselves. If the Captain had a history of this kind of thing, then sure, fire him. If this is a first offence, then I'd be continuing his employment on the provision that he is professionally assessed as to his mental suitability to hold a Class 1 Aviation Medical, and that he is councelled and made to understand exactly why it was not the right thing to do (I suspect he realises his mistake).

blowero
02-11-2004, 03:26 AM
With 20/20 hindsight, it's pretty clear that he had no intention to crash the plane.

Yeah, isn't that what I said? Did I say I thought the passengers knew at the time, or that they shouldn't have been concerned? 'Cuz I sure don't remember saying that.

To those on the plane immediately after the announcement was made, it wasn't all that clear. Some of those passengers may well have been terrified.

Yeah, wasn't that point made about 30 or 40 posts ago? I think you're looking for an argument where none exists.

flodnak
02-11-2004, 04:44 AM
I wouldn't find it comforting to know that the pilot of a craft I'm in is probably looking forward to his/her afterlife. I want someone flying my plane who's *really* fearing death. In "Last Chance to See", Douglas Adams wrote of flying into Zaire on a missionary flight even though they weren't part of then mission, because that was the only plane they could get seats on. The preflight chat didn't just include information about where to find the emergency exits; the pilot added a short prayer. Adams writes: I wasn't disturbed so much by the "O Lord, we thank Thee for the blessing of this Thy day", but "We commend our lives into Thy hands, O Lord" is frankly not the sort of thing you want to hear from a pilot as his hand is reaching for the throttle.

Siege
02-11-2004, 05:18 AM
I realized something yesterday. My boss was flying cross-country on American on Friday on a flight I booked for him. I have told him worse things could have happened than being stuck in Chicago for a few hours!

Good Morning America had one of the passengers on the flight on their show yesterday. She said that, after a lot of the passengers had given the flight attendants flak about the pilot's statement, he came on the PA system and apologized to the flight attendants, but not the passenger. She also said she told the pilot off as she was getting off the plane. Good for her!

My response would have been similar to what it was a couple of months ago, when I was on a Greyhound bus stuck in front of a man who was talking louldy on his cell phone about his recent or current mission trip. During his conversation, he bragged about converting a Catholic to Christianity and driving the demon of homosexuality out of a man. Since I'd gotten far too little sleep and was leaving a gathering of friends at the crack of dawn to make a Lessons and Carols service at my church 250 miles away, I got a little snarky. I slipped him a note quoting the Gospel which said, "Do not be like the hypocrites who pray out loud on the street corner, for their reward is on earth" and signed it "The silent Christian in the seat in front of you." It had limited effect; he tried to convert me to Christianity. :confused: He did quiet down a bit, but not enough for me to sleep. I would have written a note citing that verse, handed it to a flight attendant, and asked him or her to give it to the pilot. I don't think it would have worked, though.

I have had religious experiences which have left my soul singing with joy and wonder at God's existence. In that, I do empathize with the pilot. However, I've noticed that bludgeoning people over the head with a blunt object, even a verbal one, is not the most effective way to pass on the message, and I would have been very worried, too. I might also have pointed out that this Christian is crazy, and rather glad of it!

CJ

Pergau
02-11-2004, 07:42 AM
I disagree. Although his actions were clearly wrong, I believe everyone should be given opportunity to improve themselves. If the Captain had a history of this kind of thing, then sure, fire him. If this is a first offence, then I'd be continuing his employment on the provision that he is professionally assessed as to his mental suitability to hold a Class 1 Aviation Medical, and that he is councelled and made to understand exactly why it was not the right thing to do (I suspect he realises his mistake).

I agree , the man should recieve professional help and counselling and then be fired. 1984 style.

Jenaroph
02-11-2004, 08:37 AM
He ... explain[ed] that he felt God wanted him to witness to the passengers on his first flight upon returning to work for American Airlines after his mission [in Costa Rica]. Despite this feeling, he said, he had decided not to say anything--but then he got another sign from God.
Yeah, it was a sign all right. A sign that God no longer wants him to be a pilot for American Airlines.

The Flying Dutchman
02-11-2004, 09:15 AM
I'm struck by the thought that fundamentalist Christians (or those who believe in the rapture of the "Left Behind" series) in all good conscience should recuse themselves from occupations that involve piloting passenger aeroplanes.

Of course it would be crazy to be left behind at 35,000 feet without a qualified pilot in the cockpit.

Otto
02-11-2004, 11:54 AM
(I suspect he realises his mistake). Given that he apologized to the flight attendants because they were bothered by people who were disturbed by his comments rather than to the people he disturbed with his comments, I suspect he doesn't. I further suspect that if he is disciplined in any manner he will sue the airline for "violating his rights" and every right-wing wack-job religious broadcaster and FAUX NEWS talking head will hold him up as yet one more martyr to godless "political correctness."

jjimm
02-11-2004, 12:08 PM
Another reason not to fly AA (one of the other is their disgusting muffins).

Reminds me of the qualms a friend of mine had flying into Pakistan, when the pilot said "We will be landing in Karachi at 12 o'clock local time... Inshallah". My friend commented that he really hoped it would be Insh-pilot, as he was the one with all the training.

tdn
02-11-2004, 12:21 PM
and to further proclaim that all who do not are crazy.

Let's keep the facts straight -- he did not say that non-Christians were crazy, as in stupid or insane. He said that Christians were crazy, as in "you wild and crazy guys, I love ya." True, some passengers interpreted it as the former, but they must have misheard. You can see this from some of the later reports.

rjung
02-11-2004, 02:59 PM
I'm struck by the thought that fundamentalist Christians (or those who believe in the rapture of the "Left Behind" series) in all good conscience should recuse themselves from occupations that involve piloting passenger aeroplanes.
Why? These folks are thrilled at the idea of the Second Coming of Jesus, since that means the world will get destroyed, and all non-believers will be cast into a fiery pit full of wailing and teeth-gnashing and punishment, while they pull up the lawn chairs and laugh at the misguided victims from their heavenly vantage point (or something like that).

They've already shown they don't care about the sufferings of non-believers, knowhutImean?

Dr. Lao
02-11-2004, 05:58 PM
Yeah, given what fundies think will happen to non-Christians in the years following the rapture, most would probably consider it merciful to have us die in a plane crash due to your flight crew being raptured away midflight.

Manduck
02-11-2004, 07:59 PM
As long as the airline ensures that the co-pilot is a heathen, there will be somebody there to safely bring the plane home in the event of rapture.

Shirley Ujest
02-11-2004, 11:00 PM
Yeah, given what fundies think will happen to non-Christians in the years following the rapture, most would probably consider it merciful to have us die in a plane crash due to your flight crew being raptured away midflight.

Well, since we are all going to hell, why would they care if we went south in fifteen seconds ina screaming spiral of Death or fifteen years during a bachannal at Krispy Kreme, they are going to be doing what ever Fundie do in heaven, which frankly, doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun to me.

Really Not All That Bright
02-12-2004, 02:39 AM
I did a Google search on "United States is a Christian Nation". You're welcome to peruse the links here. (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22United+States+is+a+Christian+Nation%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=)

From this page, (http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/9/9.aspx) I found the interesting quote...

"The poll found that 45 percent of Americans hold the view that the United States is a secular nation in which religious belief, or lack of it, is not a defining characteristic. Twenty-nine percent believe the United States is a Christian nation, and another 16 percent believe the United States is a Biblical nation, defined by the Judeo-Christian tradition."

Evidently SOMEONE does, thus the snarky tone of my post.

Ah. I don't, hence the snarky tone of mine. No offense.

Genghis Bob
02-12-2004, 05:44 AM
. . . He said, "If you are a Christian, Raise your hand"

and then he said that if you weren't then you were crazy . . .

Nope, wrong. There was an editor for The Avocate on board, and he interviewed the pilot afterward. According to the editor, the pilot said about the Christians "I want everyone else on board to look around at how crazy these people are."

Dangerosa
02-12-2004, 09:09 AM
I'm inspired....

Today I will push out a pop up window to 10,000 users in my corporation. The actions of the AA pilot have been a sign from God to me to extoll how tantric sex has led me to new insights into the mind of God. I'll encourage my coworkers to explore tantric sex - using their lunch hour wisely. I'll also push out a link to a website with pictures, just in case I can't get fired fast enough.

Imagine if you logged into Amazon and your "welcome" screen was a encouragment to open yourself to the teachings of Scientology - done not because Amazon itself had decided to change their message - but because some programmer had decided it was his mission.

digs
02-12-2004, 11:36 AM
I was GOING to post my surprise at all the people who pitted the pilot and then referred to themselves as [fellow] Christians.

And I was going to thank them for the encouragement I'm feeling from finding there are [fellow] Christians in the Pit.

And how warm 'n' fuzzy it was to realize that there are believers who are skeptical enough to be dopers (and even knew how to use the F-word where appropriate).

But then I read Shirley's remark that heatherns may end up at a "bachannal at Krispy Kreme"...
Hmmm ... I may change teams ...

Shirley Ujest
02-12-2004, 12:49 PM
But then I read Shirley's remark that heatherns may end up at a "bachannal at Krispy Kreme"... Hmmm ... I may change teams ...


Behold the power of a Donut!

EddyTeddyFreddy
02-12-2004, 01:49 PM
But then I read Shirley's remark that heatherns may end up at a "bachannal at Krispy Kreme"...
Hmmm ... I may change teams ... Heretics! Schismatics! The One True Heathen Way is Dunkin' Donuts. Although I understand the Pagans hold with Starbucks.