SSM opponents threaten SF mayor's life

[Otto]

SF mayor Gavin Newsom (http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/03/030204newsomThreat.htm) is under 24-hour police protection following the receipt of a number of "credible" death threats made after he ordered the issuing of marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

San Francisco of course had a previous mayor, George Moscone, and supervisor, openly gay Harvey Milk, cut down by assassin's bullets, and anti-gay sentiment played a role in their deaths.

I wonder if George W Bush and the rest of the "compassionate conservatives" who've called for "respectful" debate on this issue will condemn these threats.

[gobear]

I'd be curious to know how many of those death threats have Bible verses attached.

[Bricker]

Absolutely appalling. The very idea that this sort of action should be punishable by anything more stringent than a court order to stop is just appalling.

[Revtim]

Repugnant, but unfortunately not too surprising.

I wonder, can any of the new terrorism laws be used against these yokels? Are death threats considered "terrorism"?

[Avalonian]

Repugnant, but unfortunately not too surprising.

I wonder, can any of the new terrorism laws be used against these yokels? Are death threats considered "terrorism"?

If they're not, I don't know what is...

Not that it would surprise me in the least if some loophole is found that excludes the death threats against Newsom.

Interesting, how Newsom's actions have quickly brought the hatred and bigotry against gays into sharp relief (well, even sharper than previously). Even Bush isn't waffling about it anymore.

[Master Wang-Ka]

No, no, no, no, no.

You just don't GET it, do you?

When non-American, swarthy-skinned people commit acts of violence against those who do not believe as they do, for religious reasons, this is called "terrorism," and should be dealt with as harshly as possible.

When "Real Americans" commit acts of violence against anyone for religious reasons (saving the unborn, for example) or cultural reasons (preserving the sacred institution of marriage), then this is a legitimate act of protest, and should be treated as such.

Y'dig? :rolleyes:

[SnoopyFan]

It wouldn't matter if every conservative in the country denounced the threats, you'll still piss and moan about it.

[Otto]

It wouldn't matter if every conservative in the country denounced the threats, you'll still piss and moan about it. Yes, you nasty cow, I would indeed "piss and moan" about death threats even if GWB himself denounced them. I would congratulate him for doing so but the death threats would still warrant a bit of a "piss and moan."

My question to you, you icky twat, is why you aren't? Do you think that threatening to kill people who do things you don't like is an acceptable mode of conduct?

[blowero]

Images of gays marrying on TV....arousing latent homosexual feelings....must suppress....find outlet for emotions....kill SF Mayor. Ahhh...that's better.

C'mon guys, everyone knows if it doesn't wear a head-scarf, it's not a terrorist.

[Miller]

If every conservative in the country denounced these threats, there wouldn't be anyone left to make them, would there?

[mhendo]

It wouldn't matter if every conservative in the country denounced the threats, you'll still piss and moan about it.Imagine that. Pissing and moaning about death threats. How trivial can you get?

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

My question to you, you icky twat, is why you aren't? Do you think that threatening to kill people who do things you don't like is an acceptable mode of conduct? But of course! She has it on the best authority: God says "Smite the wicked", and what could be more wicked than subverting holy matrimony? Think of the children! If Adam and Steve can get hitched, our nation is doomed! Extremism in the defense of

Oh, sorry, that was Barry Goldwater I was channelling in that last bit. Never mind.

[jsgoddess]

It wouldn't matter if every conservative in the country denounced the threats, you'll still piss and moan about it.

Tell you what, you get every conservative in the country to denounce the threats, and then we'll see.

You start.

Julie

[rjung]

I'm still waiting for SnoopyFan to tell us whether or not she admits being an anit-gay-marriage bigot when she hugs her gay friends. :dubious:

(spillover from an earlier thread)

[UrbanChic]

Yes, you nasty cow, I would indeed "piss and moan" [...]

My question to you, you icky twat, is why you aren't? [...]
emphasis mine
Holy shit. That was so fucking funny and so well deserved.

lol..."icky twat"

[Cervaise]

What would Jesus do with a high-powered rifle?It wouldn't matter if every conservative in the country denounced the threats, you'll still piss and moan about it.Fuck off, you ignorant cow.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Er... I'm hardly a Snoopyfan fan, but why "cow"?

[Miller]

Er... I'm hardly a Snoopyfan fan, but why "cow"?

Yeah, seriously, I enjoy a little mud slinging as much as the next guy, but I think that's going way over the line.

What the hell have cows ever done to any of you to deserve such a comparison?

[Jeff Lodoen]

But of course! She has it on the best authority: God says "Smite the wicked", and what could be more wicked than subverting holy matrimony? Think of the children! If Adam and Steve can get hitched, our nation is doomed! Extremism in the defense of

Oh, sorry, that was Barry Goldwater I was channelling in that last bit. Never mind.

Barry Goldwater would probably agree with you...

[Revtim]

Imagine that. Pissing and moaning about death threats. How trivial can you get?I know. I could see pissing and moaning about something important, like wearing white after labor day, but it just a death threat for Christ's sake! You'd think these folks didn't return Tupperware or something, the way you folks are acting.

[Snooooopy]

If anybody shoots at Gavin Newsom, all he has to do is block the bullets with his hair, which is so stiff that it is impenetrable to small-arms fire, lasers, heat vision, dirty bombs, 1920s-style death rays and The Force.

[Doomtrain]

a death threat for Christ's sake!

Yes, exactly.

[Otto]

If anybody shoots at Gavin Newsom, all he has to do is block the bullets with his hair, which is so stiff that it is impenetrable to small-arms fire, lasers, heat vision, dirty bombs, 1920s-style death rays and The Force. Damn. Here I thought you might feel some sense of shame. So much for that idea. Cunt.

[Otto]

Oh shit. Ohshitohshitohshit.

Snooooopy, my sincere, abject and humble apologies for my last post. I confused you for SnoopyFan and took your post as a continuation of her bile from earlier in the thread. As soon as I clicked SUBMIT I realized my error. Sorry.

[Grelby]

Damn. Here I thought you might feel some sense of shame. So much for that idea. Cunt.

Whoah there, tiger. The poster you just called a cunt is a COMPLETELY different individual from Snoopyfan, who has well-earned that particular pejorative, in this thread. Snoooooopy, on the other hand, is an innocent bystander that just got caught in your cuntfire, so to speak. I know this is the pit, but you might want to take that one back.

And, um, Snoopyfan? You suck.

[Grelby]

...and I see that you have.

preview is my friend, preview is my friend, preview is my...

[Cervaise]

Er... I'm hardly a Snoopyfan fan, but why "cow"?Ever look a cow in the eyes?

Same thing.

[iampunha]

It wouldn't matter if every conservative in the country denounced the threats, you'll still piss and moan about it.

Right, here's a scenario for you:

Let's imagine Christians are persecuted, legally targeted, denigrated, castigated and made to feel unwelcome by more than a few in this country and many others. They aren't allowed to worship in private or in public, crosses are illegal, etc.

Now let's say the city planner for Jackson, Mississippi discovered that there was nothing explicitly permitting church services in that county and began to organize one (off the clock) ... even began plans for a small chapel in a deserted lot nobody had payed attention to in decades.

And let's imagine that this same city planner got death threats for his "unnatural" plans, for his "immoral religious practices", etc.

You going to tell us that you wouldn't be raising unholy hell if every christian's right to worship privately were abbrogated in the slightest (btw, removing prayer from a public forum such as public school doesn't cut it)? Beyond that, a DEATH THREAT for daring to organize any sort of religious worship?

Get off your high horse, lady. Failing that, take your head out of the horse's ass.

[Mojo the Monkey]

But of course! She has it on the best authority: God says "Smite the wicked", and what could be more wicked than subverting holy matrimony? Think of the children! If Adam and Steve can get hitched, our nation is doomed! Extremism in the defense of

Oh, sorry, that was Barry Goldwater I was channelling in that last bit. Never mind.

Barry Goldwater would probably agree with you...

Jeff Lodoen is probably right. Barry Goldwater was a much more rational and sensible man than the vast majority of wackos who call themselves Republicans today. He was really a "live and let live" kind of guy on social issues.

[Nametag]

If anybody shoots at Gavin Newsom, all he has to do is block the bullets with his hair, which is so stiff that it is impenetrable to small-arms fire, lasers, heat vision, dirty bombs, 1920s-style death rays and The Force.
Hey, lay off Gav's hair! He has acknowledged his gel dependency problem, and deserves our support in his recovery.

[Ranchoth]

I just hope that the death-threat senders don't get ahold of any Twinkies...there'd be no stopping them, then. :eek: :smack:

[Snooooopy]

Oh shit. Ohshitohshitohshit.

Snooooopy, my sincere, abject and humble apologies for my last post. I confused you for SnoopyFan and took your post as a continuation of her bile from earlier in the thread. As soon as I clicked SUBMIT I realized my error. Sorry.

Just how many "o"s do I need to add to my screen name before people can tell us apart? :D

It's all good. Everything's cool. Actually, I'm surprised that it took this long for someone to confuse the two of us. The first time I ever saw a post from SnoopyFan, I knew it was inevitable.

[Homebrew]

Ever look a cow in the eyes?

Same thing.Exactly. Those cows would be eatin' us if they had thumbs. And incisors. Or at least meat grinders.

You can't trust a cow.

[htns]

I wonder if George W Bush and the rest of the "compassionate conservatives" who've called for "respectful" debate on this issue will condemn these threats.

They had bloody well better, ESPECIALLY if the threats came from those who have pledged their support to those same politicians.

[slight hijack]
That reminds me of when the pro-life people condemned the abortion clinic bombers. They realised that silence on this issue was the same as assent, so they came out and condemned the bombings in no uncertain terms.
[/slight hijack]

[Survivor]

They had bloody well better, ESPECIALLY if the threats came from those who have pledged their support to those same politicians.


Seems to be a deafening roar of nothing coming from the White House, et al....

Other than Cheney telling people to lay off his lesbian daughter and allow her her "privacy" that is.... :(

[Revtim]

Seems to be a deafening roar of nothing coming from the White House, et al....I'm no fan of Bush, but allow that he probably hasn't heard of it yet. I only heard of it through this thread, and haven't seen anything about it on the major news sites (but I admit I may have missed it).

And of course, Bush seems to pride himself on not reading newspapers....

[Jonathan Chance]

I absolutely guarantee you there was something in his morning news briefing. And if someone screwed up and it wasn't there then Karl Rove told him during his political briefing.

I 100% guarantee it. He doesn't have to read the newspapers. He has people to do that for him. All Presidents do.

[Mr. Moto]

Let's get one of them out of the way, at least.

I'm conservative. I support civil unions, but oppose same-sex marriages.

I condemn in the strongest possible terms any use of violence in this nationwide debate. For that matter, I oppose any use of inflammatory or insulting rhetoric or language in debating this important social issue.

If you want me to tie a Bible verse to this, I can. It's from Paul's first letter to the Corinthians: (13: 1-2)

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

And though I have prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

[rjung]

Let's imagine Christians are persecuted, legally targeted, denigrated, castigated and made to feel unwelcome by more than a few in this country and many others.
There's a fundamentalist Christian somewhere out there who is doubtlessly replying to this with "We already are!"

Get off your high horse, lady. Failing that, take your head out of the horse's ass.
I'm sure SnoopyFan prefers her rectums large and pachydermal.

[coffeecam]

Er... I'm hardly a Snoopyfan fan, but why "cow"?

Because it's dull you twit... it'll hurt more. :D

c

why don't we have a wink smilie?

[Bambi Hassenpfeffer]

why don't we have a wink smilie?
We've never needed one. ;)

[CrazyCatLady]

you icky twat,

Now, now, we all know you're not into twats, but that's no reason to go around insulting them. "Icky" is one thing, but "SnoopyFan"? Them's fightin' words, buddy.

[coffeecam]

We've never needed one. ;)

Well crap... there it is. :smack: sitting between wally and h.o.j.m. I'd swear under oath it wasn't there before.

c

[Revtim]

I absolutely guarantee you there was something in his morning news briefing. And if someone screwed up and it wasn't there then Karl Rove told him during his political briefing.

I 100% guarantee it. He doesn't have to read the newspapers. He has people to do that for him. All Presidents do.I have to ask, how are you so sure he is informed to this level? I guess he might be, but it wouldn't surprise me either way.

[Otto]

Now, now, we all know you're not into twats, but that's no reason to go around insulting them. "Icky" is one thing, but "SnoopyFan"? Them's fightin' words, buddy. You're right, and I apologize for defaming all the icky twats out there by comparing them to SnoopyFan. This of course raises the question as to what she can be compared to which won't reflect unfavorably on the compared. Tree slime? The reeking bits of rot that get caught under the edges of untrimmed toenails? What is so wretched and horrible that it would not be insulted by being compared to SnoopyFan? Frankly, I'm stumped.

[iampunha]

Perhaps, Otto, instead of finding a suitable comparison, one could merely arrive at the personal conclusion that she is icky in general and move on to more worthwhile things, like the memorization of the names of precambrian protozoa. One never knows when such is likely to be bar-room trivia;)

[presidebt]

Right, here's a scenario for you:

Let's imagine Christians are persecuted, legally targeted, denigrated, castigated and made to feel unwelcome by more than a few in this country and many others. They aren't allowed to worship in private or in public, crosses are illegal, etc.

<snip>
I think a more comparable argument might be: Imagine some protesters threatened G. W. Bush's life and most liberals apologized for it. A lot of conservatives would still be all over liberals like the hounds of hell. I suspect they might use an argument of how those liberals are only saying that, but really wouldn't mind.

Plus, some Christians, especially those of Snoopyfan's ilk (judging by previous posts), claim persecution anyway.

It wouldn't matter if every conservative in the country denounced the threats, you'll still piss and moan about it.

Billy Graham on a corndog stick, this kind of ignorance is astounding. Willful ignorance, it appears. Shame on you.

[presidebt]

I suspect they might use an argument of how those liberals are only saying that, but really wouldn't mind.



Ha! Imagine Ann Coulter saying that liberals wanted it because it evened the score for JFK.

[t-bonham@scc.net]

And of course, Bush seems to pride himself on not reading newspapers.... He can read???

[Otto]

He can read??? He sure can! He's found Waldo on every page!