Enterprise - The Council - spoilers

[NoClueBoy]

Quantum and naked Hoshi confront the Xindi War Council.

T'Pol and Reed lead an away mission inside a sphere.

The Sphere Builders are revealed.

[Corner Case]

According to the first episode-photo, apparently it's Archer and invisible Hoshi who face the Xindi Council (okay, I took liberties).

Reed, worried about not getting any, leads T'Pol into a Sphere with the pretense of investigating it. The caption for the second episode-photo is "Mr. Reed! No, they don't want to see your spheres! Put your suit back on!"

You notice how Nobody wears a different outfit? Even Kirk went casual now and then. Reminds me of that scene in some incarnation of "Scary Movie". Damon Wayans asks if his light colored shirt looks gay. His friend says no. So Damon rolls up the front and sticks into his neckline to expose his tummy and he asks, "How about now?"

[Cervaise]

The Sphere Builders are revealed.Michael Crichton?

[Corner Case]

Michael Crichton?No, Mel Brooks. May the schwartz be with you!

[NoClueBoy]

Michael Crichton?

Yeah. And he's terminal, man!


Corner,






nah. never mind.



















:p

[tracer]

According to the first episode-photo, apparently it's Archer and invisible Hoshi who face the Xindi Council (okay, I took liberties).
Plus, last week's "On the next episode of Star Trek: Enterprise" promo showed a giant robotic arm grabbing someone (a MACO?) and squeezing so hard that its victim turned into warp plasma.

[Corner Case]

Plus, last week's "On the next episode of Star Trek: Enterprise" promo showed a giant robotic arm grabbing someone (a MACO?) and squeezing so hard that its victim turned into warp plasma.My first thought was that it looked like a kind of Baby Huey, "Hi! Glad Ta Meet Cha!" handshake where the recipient (I thought it would be T'Pol or Reed) is shaken to pieces.
Anyone want to address my question as to whether the view from the Enterprise conference room of the Lorian-Enterprise was wrong?

[CandidGamera]

Anybody taping it? My DirecTV is out due to storm and my conventional Cable doesn't carry UPN.

[yosemite]

Looking forward to this one!

And CandidGamera, I am sure it's a no-brainer that someone will be taping it. ;) There are always ways to get a good copy of Enterprise. If no one else offers, email me and I'll shoot a copy off to you (after it aires, of course!).

[CandidGamera]

I appreciate the offer. :) I may not need it.. the storm has subsided and the satellite's receiving again.. we'll just have to wait and see.

[NoClueBoy]

Teaser:


Long recap


Multiple odd time tripping people talking about time lines. SWGs?

Time Tripper: "Earth MUST be destroyed"

[NoClueBoy]

SWGs should be SFGs


Sorry

[NoClueBoy]

Act I:

Awkward encounter in sickbay. Tripp and T'Pol.

"He's in a hel of a hurry to reach this damn council." :)

DEATH STAR PLANS! AI in center of spheres.

Reed and Janis MACO guy seem happy enough together. Is that the same MAACO guy?

Degra gets visit from Time Tripper Chick. She reminds me of Alice Krieg. In a way.

[carnivorousplant]

Trip decides Degra ain't so bad after all, right before he gets whacked by the reptilians.
Red Shirt is whacked, too.
The weapon is launched.
Hoshi is kidnapped by the reps.
Enterprise is dead in the water so to speak.
To Be Continued...

[Monstre]

in the teaser... was that multiple sphere builders or the same sphere chick in mulitple copies arguing with herself....?

If the latter, I propose we just call her Sybil... ;)

[Monstre]

Hoshi: "I was never called to the principal's office."

HAHAHAHA -- good line. :)

[NoClueBoy]

A regular length commercial break this time. After three weeks of 30 seconds between acts I and II. Is it a local thing?

Time Trippers are the sphere builders. Gaurdians. But, who are they really? Why do they want Earth gone?

Hoshi!

The Aquatic is from the family of Ibex? Why all the Dune refs?

The insectoid's names get longer the older they get.

Lizards are mean. Period.

Confrontation between the Degras and a Lizard.

Ah, there's only four on the Galileo 7. The MAACO guy is a redshirt! Seriously. Malcolm, Mayweather, T'Pol, and MAACO. Who do YOU think gets to die?

Hoshi says there are 67 Insectoid dialects. That's why she's with Quantum. The Council is in an old Avian city. Cool.

[Monstre]

I don't know what the shuttle crew was so worried about. a shuttle simply bounced to a halt on a sphere with no damage in an earlier episode...

"Arming Cheesy CGI shields..."

[NoClueBoy]

Ah, here's the 30 second break! Between Acts II and III



Act III:

"I can never forgive them for killing my son."

"Manufactured Data," makes me laugh.

Hoshi seems to be programming a translator on the fly. Precurssor to UT?

"You don't want to know." :D

Yep. Death Star! They go in thru an exhaust vent, for Christ's sake!

A visual record from the future. The future!

Ooh, an Avian skull! I bet they play a role somehow.

The Xindi don't know Time Trippers (Guardians) are Sphere Builders? :confused:

Aquatics ditstrust the spoken word.

Trip and Degra work together.

The Sphere looks like the Krell machine. In a way. Automated Protection systems, too! WooHoo!!!!

[Monstre]

from NoClueBoy
A regular length commercial break this time. After three weeks of 30 seconds between acts I and II. Is it a local thing?

Nope -- I've had the same here. Unexpected mini-commercial between two of the acts for a few weeks now.

[NoClueBoy]

Monstre, I think that was Time Tripper/Sphere Builder version of a chat room.

Carni, serious? Degra dies? :(

[NoClueBoy]

Act IV:

Rock climbing...


Okay, Quantum has to tell them the truth about the Builder/Guardian duality.

Why would they have to "beam" a hologram?

Insects are antsy! :D


Back to the Krell. Monsters from the ID! Aliens! Matrix machine thingies! Wow! Their phasers are indeed cutting phasers.



The Lizards agree!?!?!?!? :confused: No way! It's a trap!



Tripp has a good chat with Degra.



A lot of Avian forshadowing, methinx.

Uh oh. Degra's number is up. Et tu, Lizard?

[Monstre]

Why would they have to "beam" a hologram?

I think they beamed over the real pod, and it was just Psoriasis Guy who was holographically reconstructed.

Wonder if the lizards are related to the Gorn...

[Monstre]

A tapeworm! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!

[tracer]

Yeah -- you'd think that by the 22nd century, they would have at least upgraded to an optical-videodisc-worm.

[NoClueBoy]

Sci Fi Sundays on UPN


You guys get that, too? A move for ENT?


Climax/Act V:


Phlox is losing weight via a tapeworm! Woo Hoo!

PORTHOS!

"He's dead, John."

A ruse you say?

They didn't bring the MAACO's body back? Malcolm has a good rant. I approve.

WOOHOO!!!! the needs of the many...

Lizards and Bugs are in unity. The other 3 are against them.

SUPER FUN BALL!


(Did anyone else notice Linda Park walking in background behing Quantum and Tripp when Hoshi on the bridge hailed them? Error.)


Neat battle. Wonder why they took Hoshi...?


No Denoument, obviously a multiparter like Carn said, even if not billed as such. Next week should be fun.

[NoClueBoy]

The next 2 eps should make this a 3 parter, even a closer arc than the season arc.

Some will not come back. yeah, like the series itself! [crosses fingers]

[yosemite]

Some will not come back. yeah, like the series itself! [crosses fingers]
Don't say that! Don't say that!

Well, at least it looks like Hoshi will get some good screen time (or scream time? Sorry, couldn't resist) next episode.

I had trouble concentrating on this episode. I had several cats demanding attention and too many distractions. I'll watch it again later.

[Monstre]

NoClueBoy
They didn't bring the MAACO's body back?

Well considering that it was vaporized into tiny little leftover molecules by the HappyZapperGrapplerTM... um... no.

[NoClueBoy]

Ooh! On PBS, Nationa Geographic is showing Dawn of the Maya.

It's speculating on Pre-Classical Mayan history centered on possible kings even older than previously thought. A dynasty perhaps from as early as 700 CE!!!!

[NoClueBoy]

Well considering that it was vaporized into tiny little leftover molecules by the HappyZapperGrapplerTM... um... no.



Not even a helmet funeral? Yeah, I guess he was VAPORised. Oh well.


Actually, taken as a sepearte ep, this isn't that ggod. But as part of a 3 parter, maybe it will be. I'll decide in two weeks.


I won't be here next week. Record for me? Just in case my VCR misses it...

[carnivorousplant]

Record for me? Just in case my VCR misses it...

If I knew where you lived, I'd walk by your house with a bulk tape eraser.
:)

[NoClueBoy]

:p A pox on both your hoses!



Maaco Guy: "I want my molecules back!"

[Monstre]

MACO Guy: "But I wasn't even wearing a red shirt!"

he played that whole opening scene wrong...

Malcolm: "Hey, you've got some good training. Would you like to join my mission to the Death Star?"

MACO thinking: {Hmmm... dangerous mission... chance for glory... odds against us... I'm a bad-ass-motherf***er... um. wait. Never been on a mission with these guys before, never been in the spotlight... *gasp*}

MACO: HELL no!!!

[the Lady]

well - that was...well...

cool to see all the ships fighting - however brief

Maybe they want Hoshi so they can yell at Earth before they vaporize it.

[NoClueBoy]

"Odds totally against us, no chance for survival? I'm in!"

Or a similar line. WHAT'S THAT FROM?!?!?!

[NoClueBoy]

Generations of course. :smack:


Gotta stop drinking...


I take it the odds are against us and the situation is grim. Sounds like fun!


Yeay, Kirk!

[carnivorousplant]

he played that whole opening scene wrong...


The rule used to be, "If Captain Kirk says 'Go behind the big rock. Spock, Bones, you're with me', immediantly do one of the following:
Decide you left your wallet on the ship.
Say that you have to pee really, really, badly.
Leave your keys on the transporter.
You remember you left something cooking on the stove."
Shall be amended to read "...you're with me' Or that wuss Reed asks you to be on the landing party"

[vivalostwages]

I ain't reading nothing in this thread till after I done seen this episode.

[carnivorousplant]

I ain't reading nothing in this thread till after I done seen this episode.

Sound advice, bad sig.
What gender of horse?

[Snooooopy]

Well considering that it was vaporized into tiny little leftover molecules by the HappyZapperGrapplerTM... um... no.

Do not taunt HappyZapperGrapplerTM!

[tracer]

Yep. Death Star! They go in thru an exhaust vent, for Christ's sake!
It was a small thermal exhaust port, just below the main port.

And although it was shielded by a hologram, it thankfully was not ray shielded. Otherwise, they would've had to use proton torpedoes. And with a target that small, I doubt the computer could hit it.

[tracer]

SUPER FUN BALL!
Didja notice the great big rotating rings going around the outside of the Xindi Weapon?

It looked like the Jodie-Foster-transporting machine in Contact.

[tracer]

Neat battle. Wonder why they took Hoshi...?
Everybody knows that reptillian bug-eyed monsters like to capture attractive women to take back to their homeworlds. It's a well-established tradition, dating back to Flash Gordon.

[tracer]

I mean, if they'd captured Mayweather instead, the crew would have no incentive to go after them.

[vivalostwages]

I haven't read this thread yet, so I'm gonna post all my blabber and if it's repeats, I don't really keeer.....

This was a pretty good 'un. And I'm calling those gals (?) in the teaser "The Stepford Sphere Builders."

I'm quite sure Trip has been doing Pilates where we can't see him, because the injury below the arm corresponds to what would happen if you wake up those muscles with certain positions.

We got a good insight into the different Xindi via Degra.

So the Reptilians are using Atomic Tan (http://www.atomictan.com) now? I happen to know the owner of a couple of them.

Was it just me, or did Reed look at first as if he wanted to have that MACO guy go out and get creamed?

Archer tells Trip, "Keep my chair warm." Oh, I would have kept it warm for him all right...with electric shock, sharp tacks, and superheated superglue. [evil smiley]

Have any of YOU ever been called to the principal's office? I never was. [angelic smiley with big halo]

Reptilian says to Archer, "You reek of desperation." I say, "No, you just plain reek after many days of not bathing properly."

Hoshi tells Archer, "You don't want to know"...which is the same thing she said to him a few years back in front of the Klingons. I want to know. I WANT to know!!

Good scenes between Trip and Degra.

Mayweather can swear??

Trip notes that Degra "went out on a limb." How could Degra understand this idiom?

I was not prepared for Degra's death or for the savagery of the Rep's threat against his family. Dang! I should not have let my guard down.

Ah, the needs of the many....Well, we needed to know where it came from.

"You are either with us or you're against us"---what a very Bushy thing to say.

How could the Bridge and the Galley have been cleaned up so quickly? Just how much time elapsed between E squared and this business?

Next week: Hoshi has been taken by the forces of evil!! Or maybe by Aesiron. I believe he will be in his new digs very soon.

[Monstre]

Didja notice the great big rotating rings going around the outside of the Xindi Weapon?

It looked like the Jodie-Foster-transporting machine in Contact.

Yeah, I've been thinking that, too -- since we saw them in the prototype one that Archer and Shran captured. Either that or they pulled it out of the middle of the Event Horizon. (I expect a blood-drenched Sam Neill to show up in next week's ep...)

Speaking of which -- that "prototype" was pretty small, it fit into the Andorian's ship. This one (the real one, I guess) looks much huger than Enterprise.

So if they were testing MiniFunBall halfway through the season, how did they know it would work the same as BigFunBall? And if little one would destroy a planet (had a pretty big effect on the moon they tested on -- and the explanation was "not finished yet"), why does the real one need to be so much bigger?

So if they crashed XindiDeathStar into a GravoFunkySphere, which one would win? XDS has rotating bars, but GFS has the HappyGrappler. And where does Batman fit in? and why is my post degenerating into mindless babbling....?

[Monstre]

vivalostwages
Trip notes that Degra "went out on a limb." How could Degra understand this idiom?
Well, the Universal Translator must have handled this, translating the phrase into "dug a hole and stuck your ear in it", which is roughly an equivalent Xindi idiom that we humans really wouldn't understand.

I was not prepared for Degra's death or for the savagery of the Rep's threat against his family. Dang! I should not have let my guard down.
When lizard guy wanted to see Degra alone, I figured Degra was about to get it -- but yeah, that scene was a good one -- pretty intense. Now Archer is probably going to feel the need to avenge him and protect his family

[NoClueBoy]

It was a small thermal exhaust port, just below the main port.

And although it was shielded by a hologram, it thankfully was not ray shielded. Otherwise, they would've had to use proton torpedoes. And with a target that small, I doubt the computer could hit it.



We used to bomb womp rats in my T-33. Not much different.



I got supended a few times. Wasn't even supposed to show up at graduation because of the last one. Still, I signed in, they read my name, and I walked across stage to get my photo and an empty folder. They mailed my diploma two weeks later.

[vivalostwages]

We used to bomb womp rats in my T-33. Not much different.



I got supended a few times. Wasn't even supposed to show up at graduation because of the last one. Still, I signed in, they read my name, and I walked across stage to get my photo and an empty folder. They mailed my diploma two weeks later.

I'll grab you by your suspenders and suspend you right now. ;)

I was one of those irritating kids who gets to be an office aide, a teacher's aide and such. Sickening.

[spiralscratch]

Wonder why they took Hoshi...?
My guess is they plan to use her to figure the third code they need to activate the weapon.


Degra gets visit from Time Tripper Chick. She reminds me of Alice Krieg. In a way.
If Alice Krige as Borg Queen and Odo's Founder girlfriend had a child, she would look like the Guardian chick.

[carnivorousplant]

Trip notes that Degra "went out on a limb." How could Degra understand this idiom?


Perhaps the sloth-Xindi explained it to him.

The Reptile/Insectoids, herefter known as the "Cold Blooded Faction" needs a password from the other speices. Do you suppose that is why they kidnapped Hoshi? She was translating for the various species and Archer. Although they seem to have little trouble understanding other Xindi, I can think of no other than the "Bug Eyed Monster" solution, which is pretty bad even for B&B.
Besides, isn't a rule of "BEM" kidnapping that the kidnapee has to be somewhat disheveled?

[CandidGamera]

TV Guide's summary for next week's episode tells why they took Hoshi.

Indeed, it is to break the codes on the superweapon.

[the Lady]

I very nearly got suspended in my second week of grade seven.
Oddly enough - for passing notes.

[tracer]

I can think of no other than the "Bug Eyed Monster" solution, which is pretty bad even for B&B.
Besides, isn't a rule of "BEM" kidnapping that the kidnapee has to be somewhat disheveled?
And blonde. Which Hoshi definitely does not qualify as.

[gonzoron]

Trip notes that Degra "went out on a limb." How could Degra understand this idiom?


darn, carnivousplant took my joke. He does "hang out" with the Arborials a lot.


I was not prepared for Degra's death or for the savagery of the Rep's threat against his family. Dang! I should not have let my guard down.


both GonzoGal and I called it as soon as the Reptile's "hair" shadow fell on Degra's face. Neat direction, that. This whole episode was kinda interestingly directed. Not always good (DizzyCam around Reed and MacoMan's first conversation.) but interesting.


Anyone know if the redshirt Maco was the same guy that Reed had his little lovers' spat/pissing match with earlier in the season?

I like the makeup on the guardian chick. But she definately shops at the Borg Queen boutique.

My guess on taking Hoshi is confirmed by CandidGamera's spoiler

I liked the Sleestak's line about "manufactured data". But really he's got a point. In the future, can they trust any evidence at all? Heck even now, a good photoshop can fool most people. Even if the humans don't have the holotechnology as Degra said, they could falsify the medical records that it was based on, no?

The style for the teaser kicked butt. A desperate attempt to make things seem important, but it worked. :) I'm a sucker for an operatic choral score. Want to take bets on who won't return? Hoshi, Malcom, or Travis seem the safe bets. I wouldn't put money on T'pol, Tripp, or Phlox. Archer's an outside chance.

[carnivorousplant]

And blonde. Which Hoshi definitely does not qualify as.
Haven't you ever seen a Godzilla movie? Get a grip. :)

Reptile's "hair" shadow fell on Degra's face. Neat direction, that.

Wasn't it?

[CandidGamera]

I liked the Sleestak's line about "manufactured data". But really he's got a point. In the future, can they trust any evidence at all? Heck even now, a good photoshop can fool most people. Even if the humans don't have the holotechnology as Degra said, they could falsify the medical records that it was based on, no?


I think it's more convincing than you might imagine.. after all, how would these hyoomans know what a Guardian looked like?

[Mtgman]

TV Guide's summary for next week's episode tells why they took Hoshi.

Indeed, it is to break the codes on the superweapon. See, that makes me angry. I had a completely different take on it and I think it may have been cooler.They stole Hoshi to keep her from breaking the secrets of the brain from the sphere. Time traveling chick told them to.Now I'm just annoyed at such a plebian reason for kidnapping Hoshi. Plus there is almost guaranteed bad science coming up if they use her as TV Guide indicates.

Enjoy,
Steven

[carnivorousplant]

how would these hyoomans know what a Guardian looked like?

It is all some cold dry human plot.

Bring the human female here, and some of those magazienes...

[athelas]

What about that trailer, eh :eek: ? It looks like there will be a lot of singing in the next episode. Maybe Hoshi will try to play the piano, and botch it so badly that the reptilians will let her go :cool:

[Cervaise]

And blonde. Which Hoshi definitely does not qualify as.Maybe she dyes her head hair black. ;)

Re the episode: I liked it again, though not quite as much as last week. The beginnings of reconciliation between Trip and Degra were a little bit glib, and if they were going to go that route, I would have appreciated seeing Trip's reaction to it. He can't quite decide whether or not he trusts someone who used to be and might still be an enemy, and then the former enemy gets killed for sticking his neck out. There's got to be some guilt there, as if Trip needs any more. And another thing, as others have pointed out, that extra MACO dude couldn't have been more doomed; they might as well have named him Fatal McDeadbastard. It's kind of a Kirk-era throwback, a nod to tradition, and Malcolm's speech about getting used to the losses was a good touch. Still kinda obvious, though.

On the other hand, I really liked what we learned about Xindi culture, and about the details of the Guardians' long term plans and how they've been manipulating the Xindi for so many years. Sure, the multi-species gimmick is kinda dopey in terms of legit SF, more like a Piers Anthony world than a Frank Herbert world, but it's pretty different from what we're used to seeing on Trek, and that's certainly worth something, given how frequently they tend to recycle old ideas. I have no idea if they're just making this shit up as they go, but the little plot threads they're weaving into the story (what exactly the disintegrating alien was doing in that pod, for example) are giving me confidence that they've thought about at least some aspects of the scenario beyond the confines of a single episode. Oh, and the avian skull was a neat touch.

Couple of chuckles:

When the shuttlepod first entered the distortion field surrounding the sphere, and that component popped in a spectacular shower of sparks, I kind of laughed at everybody's blase attitude. Mayweather, glancing at a screen: "RTI conduit." Everyone else, nodding: "Mmm." And back to the job. Man, I thought, there sure is a lot of extraneous equipment on a shuttlepod, that they can just casually brush it off when it blows up. Typical government contracting, overengineered out the wazoo. ;) Yeah, yeah, maybe the RTI conduit (or whatever the hell it was he said) is the shuttlepod equivalent of the rear-window defogger or the remote trunk release, and it isn't important. It still struck me funny.

Plus, didja notice that when T'Pol mentioned the "needs of the many" saying, that she referred to it as a "Vulcan maxim"? I gave a little sarcastic cheer: Yay! They got Jolene Blalock to say "Maxim" on the show! Woot! Now they just need to have her refer to "FHM-band radiation." Heh.

And that line about "you stand either with us or against us" coming from the reptilian, was that a smack on Dubya's nose? Can't have been an accident, do you think?

As far as the show in general, I'm starting to wonder if the big multi-episode arc isn't inspiring the writers to take more chances, to try stuff they haven't done before. Trek in general has usually been about the standalone hour-long story, but more and more that's kind of a dated approach. DS9 got away from it a bit, but VOY backslid somewhat; it's where the incredibly annoying "we've made an incredible discovery! now let's forget completely about it!" problem comes from. Now, as ENT is building toward its third-season climax, it feels like the creative team is finally hitting some kind of stride. No, they still aren't as good as TNG or DS9 were at their peak, but I think they're well beyond VOY now (at least, the couple of seasons and occasional subsequent one-off episodes that I watched with boredom and dismay). That, I say, is a Very Good Thing.

And for dedicated credits-watchers— The writer on this episode: Manny Coto. Hey Paramount, let's ease the Bermaga into retirement and give the show to Manny. Whaddaya say?

[NoClueBoy]

She said "axiom," not Maxim.

[Monstre]

from gonzoron
Anyone know if the redshirt Maco was the same guy that Reed had his little lovers' spat/pissing match with earlier in the season?
Nope -- this one was a true redshirt MACO. The one Reed had the bitch-slapping fight with was the head of the MACOs aboard Enterprise. Major Hayes, I think.

[vivalostwages]

Nope -- this one was a true redshirt MACO. The one Reed had the bitch-slapping fight with was the head of the MACOs aboard Enterprise. Major Hayes, I think.

It sure looks like Hayes is gonna get creamed in the next ep., if that promo was at all accurate.

[Ephemera]

I've finally arrived at Risa.. that shuttle trip was a killer. Three days. Gah. Anyone that wants to see pictures can look in MPSIMS for the "Another Doper Wedding" thread I started while I was still in Alabama on Saturday evening. Lots of hot chicks. And me and a couple guys too but it's the chicks that're important.

Anyway, what'd I miss? I skimmed the thread and saw something about Hoshi being abducted.. they're just asking for it. Have you got my address viva? I'm going through withdrawal here.. it's been like nine weeks for me. NEEEEED EENNTTEERRPPRRIISSEE.

[Cervaise]

She said "axiom," not Maxim.No! No she didn't! Because "axiom" isn't cool and funny! She said Maxim! La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la

[NoClueBoy]

Yes, Sir Vase, you are so extremely right. :p

Even though... Remember in STIV:TVH when Spock's Mom said, "Blah, blah, blah," and Spock said, "I would take that as an Maxim." ? Then she said, "What? That Men's mag?" And Spock said, "Man, as soon as I turn 18, I am so out of here." And then his buddy, Jim ("Your name is JIM? Ha ha!) said, "Dude! Your Mom is hot!"

My gawd, I just love that girl in the new Gap commercials.

[vivalostwages]

I've finally arrived at Risa.. that shuttle trip was a killer. Three days. Gah. Anyone that wants to see pictures can look in MPSIMS for the "Another Doper Wedding" thread I started while I was still in Alabama on Saturday evening. Lots of hot chicks. And me and a couple guys too but it's the chicks that're important.

Anyway, what'd I miss? I skimmed the thread and saw something about Hoshi being abducted.. they're just asking for it. Have you got my address viva? I'm going through withdrawal here.. it's been like nine weeks for me. NEEEEED EENNTTEERRPPRRIISSEE.

Sending tapes tomorrow. Three of them! How are the new digs?

[tracer]

Anyone that wants to see pictures can look in MPSIMS for the "Another Doper Wedding" thread I started while I was still in Alabama on Saturday evening. Lots of hot chicks. And me and a couple guys too but it's the chicks that're important.
So, didja get any of 'em? I hear hot chicks are supposed to be easier to pick up at weddings.

[vivalostwages]

Yes, Sir Vase, you are so extremely right. :p

Even though... Remember in STIV:TVH when Spock's Mom said, "Blah, blah, blah," and Spock said, "I would take that as an Maxim." ? Then she said, "What? That Men's mag?" And Spock said, "Man, as soon as I turn 18, I am so out of here." And then his buddy, Jim ("Your name is JIM? Ha ha!) said, "Dude! Your Mom is hot!"

My gawd, I just love that girl in the new Gap commercials.

Then ServeAce was like, "No way." And NokeLoobOy was all, "Way!" And I'm going, "Whatever!"

She said AXIOM, DAMMIT!

Didn't you hear that last part?

Did you hear the Cogenitor call Luke "Spock" in tonight's Joan of Arcadia?

[Snooooopy]

Nope -- this one was a true redshirt MACO. The one Reed had the bitch-slapping fight with was the head of the MACOs aboard Enterprise. Major Hayes, I think.

Actually, on this (http://www.treknation.com/reviews/enterprise/the_council.shtml) site, we learn that the dead MACO was not a true Red Shirt, as he had been mentioned in previous installments.

[Ephemera]

Sending tapes tomorrow. Three of them! How are the new digs?

Swank. Enterprise marathon!

The living arrangements here are cool but I'll probably be moving out in only a month or two. A two bedroom apartment here is only $500 a month and I earn that in a week. It's still pretty low on the economic scale overall but I feel rich. :)



So, didja get any of 'em? I hear hot chicks are supposed to be easier to pick up at weddings.

Well, I did spend two days flirting awkwardly with XJETGIRLX and trying my best not to freak her out by drooling all over her shoes and I did get a hug from her before she left, so I'm happy.

Of course, I got totally wasted on Cinco de Mayo and can't remember parts of the night so there's no telling what I did then.

[Corner Case]

I liked the recap at the beginning. It was long but informative. The episode was good, but a bit less than last week's, mostly just exposition with a launch at the end, but I loved the exposition. What I noticed most of all were the bits of cheesy, but fun dialogue. However it has occurred, the writers (and Manny gets cudos) are getting a little better. Having a little fun, getting richer dialogue, and incorporating subplots.

I loved Trip's line about having "faith in the captain" and the Trannie's line to Degra about "losing faith." An actual subthread. I giggled at Archer's cute, "I stood before a Klingon Tribunal. I can handle a tough room." I also liked Reed's chiding sigh to T'Pol of "You could have warned us of the hologram." I loved most Hoshi's "I was never sent to the principal's* office" and Archer's later followup "I was sent for passing notes to Kate Bentley." These, along with Phlox's talk about his tapeworm, The-Needs Speech, and Archer's "a lot can happen in a day." :) enrich an episode for me and make my imagination soar!

I loved learning more of the history of the Xindi. I get a better sense of them trying to attain power and wiping out those who get in there way. Degra kills Reptiles, Dolum kills Degra, Xindi exterminated Avians. I liked getting it solidified that the Sphere-Builders hated the Humans for that war that is going to happen in 400 years, so they are trying to wipe them out. I guess I 'just don't think fourth dimensionally'; I will have gotten confused about cause and effect.

I have a question, though. The Sphere-Builders are projections from another dimension and time. The Spheres are real objects. If the Sphere-Builders transported the Spheres Here, then couldn't they just transport a XindiFunBall and destroy Earth themselves? Okay, maybe they could only transport a bit of matter (re: the Disintegrating Guy and his shuttle). Then was it an AI with a machine shop that worked to build itself up into a Sphere? If so, then it should have just built itself into a WMD and blown up the Earth.

Another question is the approach. If the Sphere-Builders had just encroached into the Expanse, destroyed all the helpless (after the Xindi war) Xindi then they could modify the Expanse in peace. 400 years later the Federation is not going to come along and say, "Hey, you naughty dimensional encroahers you, go back or it's war" They would say the Sphere-Builders have squatters rights or right of eminent domain. Now if the Sphere Builders were pushing our further a war could erupt and so perhaps will have done so (don't ya just love temporal speech). So is this the best way the Sphere-Builders can think to destroy Earth? I they can transport Reptiles to 2004, then transport Archer somewhen else. Daniels already found that removing Archer screws up the timeline so wouldn't you think the Trannie's would have a clue?

Note: I watch with Close-Captioning on so, if you are interested, the spelling of the Xindi is reported as: Janar - Arboreal Kiaphet Amman'sor of the Ibix dynasty - Aquatics Dolum - ReptilianGeneral Notes: Why did Phlox shot Trip in the neck for a shoulder injury? Okay, even we hoomans administer medicine in the arm to be disseminated, but a steroid injection goes in at the site. Nice quarters for a Retilian, with the heating spheres. When T'Pol went for the Sphere AI, did it look like the scene when Kirk-et.al. met VGER on the platform holding the satellite? All I could think about when Degra and Trip were having a heart-felt conversation was that arcing in the background. I kept thinking, "Guys, would ya throw a damn circuit breaker?!" and if I was wrong and it was a tech. using an arc welder then I was thinking "Guys, would ya use a phaser and stop eating up the atmosphere and throwing burning sparks all over the damn ship?!" (re: Degra's stabbing) Isn't is annoying that Xindi have the same fake red blood that humans have on bad TV shows? The WMD was built underwater and it was moved, then it was launched from a desert/dry-lake-bed/ice-sheet from a hidden chamber big enough for it. So why wasn't it manufactured there and how did they transport the sucker? Uh, since when did the Xindi (re: Reptiles) have transporters?!The next episode: The Sphere actually looks bigger and the rotating "Contact" rings and surface structure look different. Anyone else notice? spiralscratch noticed first that Hoshi is taken to break the code. Just because you're a linguist doesn't mean you're a code-breaker, but Hoshi IS just that good, isn't she? :) I think the disintegrating Hayes is actually a Xindi shooting Hayes while he's being transported.Previous episode: Didn't they mess up the view... oh, f*ck it, never mind!
* I remember how to spell principal from the old mnemonic, "The principal is our pal." (Just another bit of cheesy dialogue)

[vivalostwages]

Ya know what's funny about Corner Case?

That he never has very much to say.

;)

[tracer]

Well, I did spend two days flirting awkwardly with XJETGIRLX and trying my best not to freak her out by drooling all over her shoes and I did get a hug from her before she left, so I'm happy.
That's, what, zeroth base?

Bah, kids these days. No ambition. Why, when I was your age, I was getting drinks thrown in my face for being too fresh, followed by a thorough beating from her extra-large boyfriend.

[Ephemera]

Well, I'm not even sure I've ever been to first base before so a hug makes me happy enough. Especially when it's from someone that's even more attractive, both mentally and physically, than Hoshi.

You heard me. I LIKE SOMEONE MORE THAN HOSHI.

[athelas]

if I was wrong and it was a tech. using an arc welder then I was thinking "Guys, would ya use a phaser and stop eating up the atmosphere and throwing burning sparks all over the damn ship?!"

It may well have been a Plasma Arc Torch (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,588403,00.html)

[athelas]

Some possible good news (http://www.saveenterprise.com/) for us all...but I'd hold off the fireworks until it's made official...

[carnivorousplant]

Good news?
They're going to kill Archer and promote Trip(p)?
Cool!

[the Lady]

Ummmm. Tripppppp.
Ummmmm.

[Corner Case]

Ya know what's funny about Corner Case? That he never has very much to say. ;)I try to think of things to say but I just can't seem to get the words out; I mean if you want me to try to say something, I'll try, but it's hard; No I don't mean That's hard, I mean It's hard to think of things to say; Now, don't get me wrong, I think of lots of things, but I try not to say them all; I know when to shut up; You don't have to tell me when to shut up; I am perfectly capable of reading the signs when people want me to shut up; I mean some of my best friends have actually told me that they admire the way I can hold back and not monopolize a conversation, or go on and on and on and on about the most mundane things; Take that point about the view from the conference room; They say I always say something useful and don't just go on and on and on and on about nothing in particular just to fill the void like some people do; And further m- {clang} ... {thud}
...
you're welcome, carry on

[Ephemera]

Call me a blind optimist but I never seriously thought ENT was in danger of cancellation. At least, not at this point.

I still hate UPN for even considering it though.

[vivalostwages]

Some possible good news (http://www.saveenterprise.com/) for us all...but I'd hold off the fireworks until it's made official...

Agreed. UPN will not make its formal announcement until May 20th. Hey, that's John Billingsley's birthday. Hope they don't make it a downer for him--or us.

[tracer]

and if I was wrong and it was a tech. using an arc welder then I was thinking "Guys, would ya use a phaser and stop eating up the atmosphere and throwing burning sparks all over the damn ship?!"
But we all know that would be impossible. There were no phasers in the 22nd Century. Worf said so in that episode of ST:TNG with that guy who stole a 26th-century time machine. They'd have to get by with a phase pistol or a phase cannon instead.

(And there are no photon torpedoes, either. They use photonic torpedoes. Which of course are entirely different things. :rolleyes: )

[Corner Case]

They'd have to get by with a phase pistol or a phase cannon instead.I said they should use a phaser. I didn't say where they should get one. Yeah, good save. They'll never think I made a mistake now. Now, I'd like to see them use a phase cannon to weld a wall plate!

NB: Photon torpedoes are the regular weapon; Photonic torpedoes are lite (and used in gin) - No, they're less filling!

[vivalostwages]

I want a thread on "Countdown" and I want it now.

Either that or you get The Picard Song. (http://picard.ytmnd.com/)

Or Rasputin's Penis. (http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/04/28/rasputin.shtml)

The choice is yours.

[carnivorousplant]

30 cm is 11.81 inches.

[tracer]

Yeah, but it includes part of the pelvic muscle base, which isn't normally included when measuring the length of the wiener on a living man.

[yosemite]

I want a thread on "Countdown" and I want it now.

Well . . . (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=257065)

I couldn't wait any long either. I saw the episode last night (I have my resources) but I didn't start a thread last night, figuring someone else would do it today. But so far, no one else has. I just couldn't help myself! I had to start it!!!

By the way, where else would we find a link to Rasputin's penis but on such a thread? Thanks for sharing! ;)

[carnivorousplant]

Yeah, but it includes part of the pelvic muscle base, which isn't normally included when measuring the length of the wiener on a living man.

So, how do I get them to count that?

[vivalostwages]

Well . . . (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=257065)

I couldn't wait any long either. I saw the episode last night (I have my resources) but I didn't start a thread last night, figuring someone else would do it today. But so far, no one else has. I just couldn't help myself! I had to start it!!!

By the way, where else would we find a link to Rasputin's penis but on such a thread? Thanks for sharing! ;)

You're welcome and thanks for the link. I thought it wasn't quite as bad as the link to taxidermy with dead stuffed squirrels that look like prizefighters. It's just....sad.



On that note......Aes, did you get the package I sent on Saturday?

[Ephemera]

Just finished the third tape about ten minutes ago, actually. I can't say I remember much since I watched like five episodes of Enterprise, three of Joan, two of Friends, and a couple other shows and dozed off at parts due to getting only four hours sleep last night but I really liked the parts I saw.

I'm going to have to bitchslap someone if they lay a finger on my Hoshi.

[vivalostwages]

Just finished the third tape about ten minutes ago, actually. I can't say I remember much since I watched like five episodes of Enterprise, three of Joan, two of Friends, and a couple other shows and dozed off at parts due to getting only four hours sleep last night but I really liked the parts I saw.

I'm going to have to bitchslap someone if they lay a finger on my Hoshi.

Well, get read to slap the crap out of some Reptilians....

[NoClueBoy]

Whare iz this week's? :dubious:

[yosemite]

NoClueBoy: Where have you been, dude? Or are you pulling our legs? (You scamp, you! ;)) I gave the link (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=257065) right above on this thread!

[NoClueBoy]

I was in Rolla, MO, pulling 16 hr days on a Sirloin Stockade remodel. Yeay.

Just now got back. Baby got back. :dubious:



Thanks for the link. I'll try to catch it on the weekend re-show 'cause apparantly we had a black/brown out or t-storm here or something and my vCR didn't record the little pecker show.

[vivalostwages]

NoClueGuy: sorry about that A+ writing email glitch. I just forwarded it in a hurry. Finals week and all. Students cheating. Students failing. Paperwork overwhelming. Mean, mean Professor Viva. The Viva should not forward anything during this time.

[vivalostwages]

Here, have some Five-Minute "The Council"

http://www.treknation.com/reviews/fiver/the_council.shtml