Avengers Disassembled: Place your bets!

[B. Serum]

Which Avenger(s) is going down?

My money is on Jan Van Dyne. But Hank survives.

Who wants a piece of the action?

[Chairman Pow]

You know, it's been a long time since I even tried reading an Avengers book (except for the ESSENTIAL... I picked up earlier in the year), but I find it hard to see how anyone can care about this series. Every time they start a new arc, I flip through, trying to see if they've come up with something interesting, but man, I always come away especially disappointed.

Although I hope Cap gets his ass kicked hard enough that he leaves the Avengers and tries to make his solo book worth reading.

[Snooooopy]

An Avenger is going to die? Are they clearing roster space for Batroc Ze Leappair or something?

[JThunder]

Batroc? Ooh la la!

[JThunder]

Batroc? Ooh la la!

[Fenris]

Hank. Except for Kurt Busiek, no-one's ever been able to give him a personality. And even Kurt's wasn't very likable.

Then they'll make Jan into a tough, scary, grim-n-gritty character who'll dress in black with yellow trim.

Tsk.

[Exapno Mapcase]

Haven't they killed off Hank at least 12 times already? Well, at least once.

Remember when they turned him into an insane wife-beater? Or I am just showing my age?

Haven't read an Avengers in 20 years.

[MovieMogul]

It's been so long, I'm not even sure who's on the Avengers anymore. Plus, is there still a West Coast branch?

[B. Serum]

Haven't they killed off Hank at least 12 times already? Well, at least once.

Remember when they turned him into an insane wife-beater? Or I am just showing my age?

Haven't read an Avengers in 20 years.

I don't recall Hank ever dieing, just retiring, switching identities and kind of being the disgrace of the super-hero set.

[B. Serum]

It's been so long, I'm not even sure who's on the Avengers anymore. Plus, is there still a West Coast branch?

Nope, not for a long time.

[Stonebow]

Who's on the current roster now, anyway?

I'm another one who hasn't read in a while...the last thing I read was Operation Galactic Storm, but my heyday was back in the days of Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hank Pym and Wasp, and always rounded out by some random characters- Hawkeye, Falcon, Spider-Man, Hulk, etc.

oh, well...

[Don Draper]

It doesn't matter which of the Avengers dies. 'Cuz whoever it is, they will simply be "miraculously ressurected" by a new writer a year or two down the road. Iron-Man, Thor, Vision, Wonder Man, Black Knight, the Swordsman - all have been "killed off" - and yet they all came back.

And then there was that time that "Korvac the Enemy" laid waste to just about everyone who was ever an Avenger (up until that point in time) in the space of one issue. They all got better.

It's that type of the thing that finally made me give up reading comics lo many years ago - about the time that Jean Grey (one of the few major characters to be definitively killed) turned out to be alive after all.

For the record, Hank was among the 23 or so Avengers snuffed by Korvac, only to be brought back to life on the last page. Also, in the first appearance of Yellowjacket, he shows up at Avengers' Mansion claiming to be an entirely different person, and claiming to have killed Hank off. Of course, it is ultimately revealed that Yellowjacket is indeed Hank Pym in the midst of a fugue state. So that's two intances in which Hank Pym was supposedly "killed." Once for real, and once was a hoax.

[Krokodil]

Oh, Hank's going down, big time. If he lives, he's just a mess no writer knows what to do with. But if he dies heroically, Jan, Hawkeye and Tony ("Don't you have a wife to go beat or something?") will feel really, really guilty.

According to an interview on Newsarama, Bendis was surprised by who--and how many--among the Avengers the editors are going to let him kill.

The book's been nigh unreadable since Busiek left. Maybe this is what it needs.

[B. Serum]

Quesada's new mantra is "Dead means Dead." For what it's worth.

Also, I my crystal ball tells me that Ant Man II (Scott Lang) will be amongst the first to eat it. :D

[Krokodil]

Quesada's new mantra is "Dead means Dead." For what it's worth.

Also, I my crystal ball tells me that Ant Man II (Scott Lang) will be amongst the first to eat it. :D


"Crystal ball"? Hell, just look at the preview... (http://www.newsarama.com/pages/Marvel/Avengers_500/Avengers5001.htm)

[Chairman Pow]

Remember when they turned him into an insane wife-beater? Or I am just showing my age?


In THE ULTIMATES? Like last year?

[JDeMobray]

In THE ULTIMATES? Like last year?I'm hoping here that your post just needs smilies. Otherwise I will feel old, too.

[Exapno Mapcase]

And in another thread about the FF movie, someone described Sue Storn as a "soccer mom" type. Does no one remember the 60s!

My first Marvel was FF #8. (Or possibly Spiderman #1. Both were in 1962.)

The insane, wife-beater plot device was first used I think in the 1970s, although it could have been the early 80s. I don't even know what the Ultimates are.

:confused:

[Beauty Personified]

... my crystal ball tells me that Ant Man II (Scott Lang) will be amongst the first to eat it. :D
For some reason, I thought Scott Lang had already died in the pages of Alias.

Anyhoo...

[B. Serum]

Marvel has a page (http://marvel.com/publishing/stories/whosnext.htm) (slightly tongue-in-cheek) that lets you track the casualties.

[JThunder]

Marvel has a page (http://marvel.com/publishing/stories/whosnext.htm) (slightly tongue-in-cheek) that lets you track the casualties.
Where's the Invisible Woman? Can't see her. I can't see her!!!

[El Elvis Rojo]

Quesada's new mantra is "Dead means Dead." For what it's worth.


Um, yeah, that hasn't really worked. I mean, they've killed Magneto off three times, and ressurrected him THREE TIMES in the past couple of years. Shit, his last death ended a big run that lead into the creation of several new X-titles, and by issue 2 of Excalibur, he was back. Of course, I haven't actually read the comic, just flipped through them, but I can't think of any other tall, white haired mutants with powers of magnatism and brands in their arms from their stays in internment camps that like to philosophise with Xavier, so I could be wrong...

Still, I have very little faith in Quesada's "Dead means Dead" proclimation.

[Harborwolf]

"Dead means dead" only applies to heroes, who have actual dramatic deaths. They covered it in the last Thanos/big marvel limited series. He tells Adam Warlock that any heroes who die will simply have to be replaced.

Villains never really die of course, so the rule doesn't apply. :rolleyes:

As for the deaths, who cares about balder and the warriors three? I thought actual avengers were going to die, not these bogus side characters.

Personally, I got $10 on either Black Panther or Falcon. We all know minorities tend to fair rather poorly when stuff like this goes down :p

[JThunder]

Personally, I got $10 on either Black Panther or Falcon. We all know minorities tend to fair rather poorly when stuff like this goes down :p
Kill the black guy? Good grief, I hope not.

Falcon: "We is goin' to die, Cap! We is all goin' to die!" :rolleyes:

[Mockingbird]

Kill the black guy? Good grief, I hope not.

Falcon: "We is goin' to die, Cap! We is all goin' to die!" :rolleyes:

And then Photon(the former Captain Marvel) will scream: 'I don't know 'nothing 'bout fighting no baddies, Miss Van Dyne!'

Is there any other black heroine in the Marvel Universe besides Monica Rambeau?

Anyways... minority superheroes are not gonna get killed. Bendis doesn't want the kind of heat that'd go along with that, and I don't blame him.

[DrDeth]

It doesn't matter which of the Avengers dies. 'Cuz whoever it is, they will simply be "miraculously ressurected" by a new writer a year or two down the road. Iron-Man, Thor, Vision, Wonder Man, Black Knight, the Swordsman - all have been "killed off" - and yet they all came back.

And then there was that time that "Korvac the Enemy" laid waste to just about everyone who was ever an Avenger (up until that point in time) in the space of one issue. They all got better.

It's that type of the thing that finally made me give up reading comics lo many years ago - about the time that Jean Grey (one of the few major characters to be definitively killed) turned out to be alive after all.



So true. My gawd, why won't Marvel let a character STAY dead? :( There was also Elektra..... :rolleyes:

[Dr. Rieux]

Marvel has a page (http://marvel.com/publishing/stories/whosnext.htm) (slightly tongue-in-cheek) that lets you track the casualties.
What? They killed Balder and the Warriors Three?
I am so glad I'm not reading Thor anymore.
:(

[Beauty Personified]

Is there any other black heroine in the Marvel Universe besides Monica Rambeau?
Ororo Munroe aka Storm. Who happens to be female, black, and not a female version of a male hero. She's pretty darn powerful too. If she just had some great solo stories behind her, and wasn't tied down to just being another member of the X-Men, she could be one of the best female heroes around.

Besides Wonder Woman, how many other female superheroes are there that aren't just copies of male heroes and are well-known just on their own? This is something that really bothers me.

Anyhoo...

[gonzoron]

There's Monet St Croix a.k.a. M as well, although she hasn't shown up since Generation X was cancelled, and she's no Storm, of course.

[holmes]

http://www.newsarama.com/pages/Marvel/Avengers_500/Avengers5001.htm

[holmes]

Opps missed Krokodil's post....nevermind

[Mockingbird]

For some reason, I thought Scott Lang had already died in the pages of Alias.

Anyhoo...

That was just a nightmare created by the Purple Man.

[Mockingbird]

Am I the only one who can see Scott Lang's daughter turning into a very vicious vigilante because of this?