View Full Version : What the #!*% Do WE Know?! - The Movie
09-18-2004, 04:30 AM
Mixing quantum physics with new age psychology, this movie is reported to be an interface between the two. It seemingly includes comments from some top-level quantum physicists along with a fiction storyline (is that Maitlee Martin?) that looks like a lot of fun.
I did a search on it on SDMB, but found nothing. I can't believe I'm the first to hear about it!
Opening this September.
See the trailers and teasers at the website! (http://www.whatthebleep.com/home/)
Looks like F U N ! :D
09-18-2004, 09:18 AM
You mean Marlee Matlin?
Here it is at the
09-18-2004, 12:39 PM
I saw it quite a while ago, before it was picked up for national distribution.
On the whole, I wasn't terribly impressed. If you're not very familiar with quantum physics, it's probably a good way to get some of the concepts. The storyline is kind of interesting, even if contrived.
My biggest problem, which is just a bias of mine, I suppose, was Ramtha. I mean, a channeled entity speaking in a documentary?
09-18-2004, 01:41 PM
I had a whole long post about how mediocre this movie is, but you really have to see it for yourself to understand. From what the filmmakers say, yes it looks very interesting. But, if I had read the filmmakers' website before seeing it, I would have hunted them down and asked for my money back in person. Rather I saw it not knowing what it was about, ready for anything, and still walked out feeling cheated.
I can't even find the words . . . to describe how they're describing what they thought they accomplished is comical (see they have me talking jibberish).
09-18-2004, 03:08 PM
My biggest problem, which is just a bias of mine, I suppose, was Ramtha. I mean, a channeled entity speaking in a documentary?If Michael Moore can get an Oscar for best documentary, anything is possible.
09-19-2004, 12:35 AM
Here's a Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Bleep_Do_We_Know%3F!) on the movie.
The article includes a list of the "physicists" who appear in the film. I have not seen the film, so I cannot comment on what claims they may make in it, but if you google their names, I think you'll find that there is little justification for characterizing any of them as "top-level quantum physicists". Among the talking heads:
William Tiller, Ph.D. (http://www.tiller.org/)
According to the biography on Tiller's website, linked above, he is not a quantum physicist, but rather a materials scientist. However, that has not stopped him from believing that he has solved some of the most difficult problems in quantum physics. From an abstract to his paper "Towards General Experimentation and Discovery in 'Conditioned' Laboratory Spaces, Part III: A Theoretical Interpretation of Non-local Information Entanglement": Our conventional reference frame (RF) for viewing nature, spacetime, is unable to account for the experimental data provided in Parts I and II so a new RF is utilized. This biconformal base-space (BFBS) RF, consists of two, four-dimensional, reciprocal subspaces wherein one is spacetime, imbedded in the three higher dimensions of emotion, mind and spirit. This model has the quantitative capacity that allows us to understand the new data. I wonder what my emotion-mind-spirit coordinates are?
John Hagelin (http://hagelin.org/)
This guy is one of those people who put press releases about themselves on their own webpages. According to his most recent posting,
US Peace Government President Dr. John Hagelin recently announced a bold new initiative by Peace Government founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to train 8,000 students as peace-creating experts at a new University of World Peace, to be established in Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa. And just how do these "peace-creating experts" work? From here (http://permanentpeace.org/overview/core.html):
Said briefly, this new technology of peace appears to be wireless. Just as radio stations radiate music through the underlying electromagnetic field, so groups of peace-creating experts appear to radiate harmony and peacefulness through an underlying field of consciousness.
As we will see, a field theory of consciousness has been revived in this scientific age by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the founder of the Transcendental Mediation program. The result is a completely unified understanding of consciousness and the physical world.(emphases in original) I like how the technology appears to be wireless. Shouldn't they know whether or not the technology they themselves have mastered involves wires?
And these are the talking heads listed as physicists. As one moves on to the mystics, etc., one can expect to find individuals even less qualified to pontificate on the connection between modern physics and spirituality.
09-19-2004, 09:19 AM
I ... am doing research in the field of experimental particle physics ... I even searched for their names using the search engine of the High Energy Physics database ... Nothing came up ... I warn you that the content of the film may have little or nothing to do with the actual theory of quantum mechanics.
09-19-2004, 09:23 PM
Looks like I came to the right place for "The Straight Dope!"
From the dope on NP to the dope on actors' proper names.
Thanks, all. I think I'll still go to see it, just for the fun.
09-20-2004, 12:08 AM
Since I used to work for William (Bill/Will) Arnst, one of the writers/producers, I pretty much have to go. I'll post my review ASAP.
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