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[Joey P]

I know it says this is the place for practice posts, but don't you think you might be abusing that privlage?

[Lobsang]

Is that the British Rail symbol?

[Ice Wolf]

I think I remember seeing that from School C maths. Is that the "is not equal to" symbol?

[cheddarsnax]

:eek:

[Ice Wolf]

Cool effect, cheddarsnax.

[Squink]

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[Ephemera]

I think I remember seeing that from School C maths. Is that the "is not equal to" symbol?

Yes.

[Ice Wolf]

Cool. Thanks, Aesiron. At least something stuck in th' ol' brain from that time. Cheers! :)

[Lobsang]

The British Rail symbol has an extra diagonal line.

[Ice Wolf]

That would make sense. Otherwise, it would be British Monorail. :)

[GorillaMan]

The British Rail symbol has an extra diagonal line.

It has two zig-zag lines. [http://home.12move.nl/~sh829487/London/rail.htm]The first site that Google offered.[/url]

[GorillaMan]

Ackkkk! One zig-zag line!!!

[Ice Wolf]

Clean link. (http://home.12move.nl/~sh829487/London/rail.htm)

And yeah. One zig-zag. So it's a zig-zagging monorail, maybe? :)

[Lobsang]

I remember watching a BR add which ended with a train travelling both parts of the symbol's 'tracks' I can't quite work out how that is possible on the 'correct' symbol.

[Ice Wolf]

Use extremely flexible trains.

[Lobsang]

Sorry to be boring but you'll notice two of the diagonal lines are paralell. In the ad, the train travelled those lines.


I can solve the most complex problems at work, but the simplest are still able to floor me.

[Ice Wolf]

The train just went along the tracks, or did some kind of a fancy flick around?

Does the zig-zag stand for electricity?

[Lobsang]

My [stupid] mistake. There were two trains. One travelled the horizontal tracks, the other the vertical tracks.

[Ice Wolf]

Ah, okay. I think I get you, now. Still, the vertical one would have been a bit intriguing.

[GorillaMan]

Does the zig-zag stand for electricity?

It seems to represent the two directions of trains on the two separate tracks. But I guess that wasn't really the point.

To be fair, it's a fairly early example of successful abstract corporate branding. It originated in the 60s, around the time that logos first became used for anything from 12-metre signs to 12mm logos on documents. It outlived the complete obliteration of its parent company (how many brand identities do that?), and is now regarded as the standard symbol for anything railway-related, including being a standard part of the road sign symbol collection.

[Ice Wolf]

If they introduced that symbol here as a road sign, most drivers would go "Say what?" and get creamed by the trains. Our sign here, at least for level crossings, is a steam driven choo-choo (well, it looks a lot like something from out of a kiddie's toy collection. So, sue me.) :)

[GorillaMan]

If they introduced that symbol here as a road sign, most drivers would go "Say what?" and get creamed by the trains. Our sign here, at least for level crossings, is a steam driven choo-choo (well, it looks a lot like something from out of a kiddie's toy collection. So, sue me.) :)
Oh no, we have that one too....the old BR sign indicates stations

[Ice Wolf]

I think we still just have the choo-choo (there's one just down the road pointing toward my local train station). We NZers must just be more literal. :)

[GorillaMan]

OK, I'll elaborate. The most common symbol is the 'gate' one, which looks like, ummm, a garden gate. That warns of a crossing which has closing barriers. The 'choo choo' one warns of a crossing which has no barriers - it has just warning lights. (Or in extreme cases, not even them - but there the train has to come to a halt and sound a warning before proceeding, and I believe the this situation only survives on a few preserved steam railways. It was once more common.) The BR sign we've been talking about is used for directions, not for warnings.

Ice Wolf - do you mean the 'choo choo' is used as an information sign like the BR one?

[Ice Wolf]

Basically, the black steam train symbol (no, I can't bring myself to say "choo choo" anymore. Despite the giggles) is for level crossings with control arms or not. Plus, the same symbol points towards train station entrances. At the entrance are new blue signs with white writing, basically saying "Train station". No other symbols that I recall, except for the Auckland Transport network logo, Maxx, which is a bunch of coloured squares (however, next time I go past, I'll have a squizz and let you know if my memory is completely up the shoot.) Right now, Auckland's metro lines (we only have two-and-a-half) are run by Connex.

[GorillaMan]

Yuk - the internet isn't the best place to search to find out how on earth Britain signed things pre-60s. Maybe I should turn to books....

Certianly many other European countries use their own standard symbols for stations on road signs - but I've yet to see anything that has the recongnisability of the BR sign. And the international road sign system relies on instant identification of symbols. Which seems to be why it's become acknowledged as part of the UK signing system.

(I'm not saying all this to be nationalistic - it's just that it's an incredibly successful piece of design.)



I guess, now I think about it, that if BR hadn't created such a good symbol, then maybe we'd be doing something similar to NZ, with the regular road sign acquiring a second purpose.

(BTW Connex have had their tentacles into our system, and fucked up big-time. Mwah ha haha.)

[Ice Wolf]

Our train system has been on life support in intensive care since way before Connex came into the picture. Used to be run by a rail firm from Wisconsin before this. S'okay, I've already heard about Connex's stuff from the Australian railfans/gunzels, GorillaMan. We're prepared for the worst. Might be pleasantly surprised, tho'.

[AHunter3]

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[AHunter3]

Well damn. We Mac folks have authentic "doesn't-equals" signs as part of our normal upper ASCII (option-equals) but the board doesn't take it!

I assume the OP was entering them using Unicode?

[GorillaMan]

...as part of our normal upper ASCII
It's either ASCII or it's not. And if it's 'our' (ie 'Mac') ASCII, then it's not. Just google ASCII and you'll understand.

[AHunter3]

Certainly some individual fonts can put proprietary characters at locations normally occupied by other symbols. Zapf Dingbats for one, Wingdings (on the PC) for another. But in the case of doesn't-equals, equals-or-less-than, or equals-or-greater-than, every complete "normal" font, dating back to bitmap fonts at the dawn of Macintosh time, will give them to you if you enter option-equals, option-comma, or option-period, respectively.

Lower ASCII (bottom 128) is very standardized. Upper ASCII (remaining half of the 256) is less so. Some characters typed on the PC in a plain ASCII text document and sent to a Mac user would come up with some characters exchanged in the upper ASCII, and vice versa.

I don't know why Windows doesn't make the doesn't-equals symbol readily available, and likewise the equals-or-less-than and the equals-or-greater-than symbols. Most upper ASCII symbols are available on the Mac through the use of the option key in combo with a shifted or unshifted key; most upper ASCII on the Windows PC is available through a combo of Alt key plus a series of four numerical-keypad keys.

As far as I can tell, though, you can't enter any of these three symbols in a plain text document with that method.

[Troy McClure SF]

Well damn. We Mac folks have authentic "doesn't-equals" signs as part of our normal upper ASCII (option-equals) but the board doesn't take it!

I assume the OP was entering them using Unicode?

? - I doubt our opt-shift-K works, either.
? - option-=
™ - opt-2

[Troy McClure SF]

? - I doubt our opt-shift-K works, either.
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FWIW, opt-shift-K works on [url=http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=troymccluresf]LiveJournal (see bullet points). But not on my site (see small print at the bottom, right above "Created and hosted on Apple Macintosh OS X 10.3.4 - Panther".)

[Troy McClure SF]

Poo.

LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=troymccluresf
my site: http://jjtm.homeip.net/

[Loopydude]

How the crap do you make those super- and subscripted characters?

[PatriotX]

How the crap do you make those super- and subscripted characters?
You may either use the tags or & # 8482 (™) w/o the spaces. There're a whole list of codes that work. I forget where exactly I got them. But i was able to download a 'Help' menu thingy that has them all. They are HTML entities,whatever that means.

poke aroun here: http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/ & http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/

[Larry Borgia]

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[Larry Borgia]

Holy crap it worked!

[Iacob_Matthew]

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[SnakeSpirit]

Some things are easier than others.

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[SnakeSpirit]

Well damn. We Mac folks have authentic "doesn't-equals" signs as part of our normal upper ASCII (option-equals) but the board doesn't take it!

I assume the OP was entering them using Unicode?

≠ is a Unicode character, but ....

[Loopydude]

Oh me oh my, it works!

...hopefully

[Arnold Winkelried]

vBcode tips (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1956119#post1956119)

[Algernon]

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Hmmm. It appears that HTML name codes don't work (contrary to what is described in Arnold's link to here (http://home.earthlink.net/~awinkelried/keyboard_shortcuts.html).

I can't use the ALT-nnnn approach because my laptop doesn't have a separate numeric keypad.

The HTML number codes work though...
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[rowrrbazzle]

Hmmm. It appears that HTML name codes don't work (contrary to what is described in Arnold's link to here (http://home.earthlink.net/~awinkelried/keyboard_shortcuts.html).This problem began with the latest vB release we got. Arnold's reference was coded before that, when the character entity references still worked here.

[Cervaise]

†±¢ µ§ù♦£ ßü§þ婶&&badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &mushroom; &mushroom;

[Arnold Winkelried]

Shucks! I'll have to fix that page.

[Arnold Winkelried]

By the way, Algernon, most laptops have some keys on the keyboard that work the same as the numeric keypad. Don't some of the letters on your laptop have little arabic numerals printed in the corner?

[SnakeSpirit]

This problem began with the latest vB release we got. Arnold's reference was coded before that, when the character entity references still worked here.
Does that mean we can't use characters like " ≠ " anymore?

*Sob*

[Algernon]

By the way, Algernon, most laptops have some keys on the keyboard that work the same as the numeric keypad. Don't some of the letters on your laptop have little arabic numerals printed in the corner?
Son of a gun. Sure enough. Little blue numerals that I never saw before. :smack:

I imagine if I use them in conjunction with the little blue "fn" key it'll work. Let's see: I'll try the copyright symbol various ways...
by HTML name (which I know doesn't work): "©" comes out as ©
by HTML number: "©" comes out as ©
by Windows code: "alt+fn+0169" comes out as ©

Cool. Thanks Arnold.

Another change in this version of vB that I noticed is that in the old days I could discover how a post was composed by clicking on the Quote button. Nowdays, the actual coding is still hidden when I click on the Reply button. Even the Preview Post button "destroys" the original coding.

[SnakeSpirit]

Ackkkk! One zig-zag line!!!
Noooooooo......

Two arrows pointing in opposite directions, intersecting.

[furt]

how'dya make the not-equal sign?

[PatriotX]

how'dya make the not-equal sign?

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w/o the spaces of course

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[Algernon]

I found this listing of the full(?) HTML character set. (http://www.natural-innovations.com/wa/doc-charset.html)

[SnakeSpirit]

The train just went along the tracks, or did some kind of a fancy flick around?

Does the zig-zag stand for electricity?
No, the zig-zag is the result of two pointers (arrowheads) pointing in opposite directions (left & right).

[Larry Borgia]

how'dya make the not-equal sign?

I just used the not-equal symbol in word perfect, and pasted it onto my reply. Much less efficient of course, but I don't know these codes.

[Flamsterette_X]

:eek:

I've been spending too much dong very basic HTML... I almost thought that was a marquee tag, until I remembered that there are no animated smilies on this board.

[Flamsterette_X]

Algernon, cool page! I've bookmarked it. :D

[Yllaria]

And here I was wondering how you got two pages out of that OP. Carry on.

[Algernon]

Algernon, cool page! I've bookmarked it.Thanks. Me too. I always got frustrated trying to find the correct code for the mathematical symbols. Most sites don't list them. This one seemed to have the most complete listing of the HTML codes.

[Flamsterette_X]

Being as complete as possible is good. Always trying to learn more stuff.. that's me. :D