Lost 1.5 "White Rabbit" [Archive] - Straight Dope Message Board

Juniper200

10-20-2004, 04:14 PM

It's Wednesday night -- time for another hour with Gilligan (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=11), the Skipper (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=1), too, the millionaire (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=10) and his wife (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=3)*, the movie star (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=13), the professor (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=5) and Mary Ann (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=12).

<*>They could be anyone. Anyone!

So what does this episode hold for our castaways? Lost Media (http://lost-media.com)'s blurb tells us (in part) Jack is near delirious from lack of sleep and struggles to overcome the haunting events that brought him to Australia and, subsequently, to the island. Veronica Hamel ("Hill Street Blues") guest stars as Jack's mother.
Time to learn more about their "family tradition" of medicine, I suppose, and maybe something about the vodka chugging, the flying lessons and the cold shoulder Jack gave the memorial service last week.

Charlie, we're counting down to sweeps; enjoy that heroin while it lasts. Oh, Sawyer, you nut, in what way will you be a pragmatic asshole today? Are we taking bets on the likelyhood of Shannon and Boone having a crazy, incestuous past? Someone boil some water and lay out the airplane blankets -- last week's "next weeks" showed Claire in some kind of distress. Will Locke do a happy jig now that the fickle finger of symoblism is about to put the heat on someone else? Stay tuned!

Spree

10-20-2004, 04:37 PM

Charlie, we're counting down to sweeps; enjoy that heroin while it lasts.
It looked like the heroin ran out in last week's ep. Withdrawal is gonna be soooo much fun! Charlie better have some more tape ready because the next four letters are gonna be P-A-I-N. :D

Oh, Sawyer, you nut, in what way will you be a pragmatic asshole today?
I'd just like to state, for the record, that I predict a Sawyer/Claire hook-up. The asshole and the passport-eulogy angel...it's like television soap-opera destiny.

Are we taking bets on the likelyhood of Shannon and Boone having a crazy, incestuous past?
Shannon is the only character I can't get into, mostly due to the actress. Can somebody say "overacting"? I saw her on an episode of Law & Order: SVU last week and she was just awful.

jessicala

10-20-2004, 04:59 PM

Hey! There's a note (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=12) on the Lost Media page that says ABC has picked it up for Season 2! Wooo!

Aside to Glory, in case you didn't see my post at the end of the last thread: I have Walkabout (1.4) on tape, in my office at work, if you want to stop by and pick it up sometime. I think you still have my work email?

tracer

10-20-2004, 05:00 PM

Oh!

I thought, from the Topic: line, that you meant you had lost your copy of version 1.5 of the movie White Rabbit. (Wasn't that the movie with the "blowjob for art's sake" in it?)

MovieMogul

10-20-2004, 06:23 PM

Oh!

I thought, from the Topic: line, that you meant you had lost your copy of version 1.5 of the movie White Rabbit. (Wasn't that the movie with the "blowjob for art's sake" in it?)I think that was The Brown Bunny you're thinking of...unless, of course, you're familiar with a version of Alice in Wonderland (http://www.wonderlandthemovie.com/) that I'm not.

Cervaise

10-20-2004, 06:28 PM

can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait

It frightens me how much I'm enjoying this show. I should back off lest I set myself up for disappointment when it turns out they're on Dr. Shrinker's island and the scary thing in the woods is a humongous cockatoo.

Juniper200

10-20-2004, 06:41 PM

Yeah, I know. I haven't been all worked up over a show since Buffy finished. And it's the first time I've ever wanted to go unspoiled. Maybe there's some kind of addicting message in the secondary audio track...

Oh, and I forgot to include this in the OP: Even the kids at Penny Arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com) are in on the speculation (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-10-20).

av8rmike

10-20-2004, 07:14 PM

Did anybody else catch that? When (I think) Charlie was talking to Jack, the same two people walked past his right shoulder twice.

...Must have been a glitch in the Matrix. It happens when they change something.

MrFantsyPants

10-20-2004, 07:24 PM

Just tuned in, what have I missed?

Wile E

10-20-2004, 08:06 PM

The brightness on my TV was set so low that when Jack went into the woods again and found the doll and then the coffin, I could barely see anything. I reset the brightness but missed a lot. Was all the other stuff around there just stuff from cargo?

vivalostwages

10-20-2004, 08:12 PM

I haven't read a word of this yet....Back in a few hours. I love "getting Lost" on Wednesday nights!

Antigen

10-20-2004, 08:53 PM

Empty coffin? Curiouser and curiouser...

N9IWP

10-20-2004, 09:02 PM

I'm too lazy to look it up, but someone complained / noticed that there were no animal noises (birds et al). There were definitely some in this episode.

At fisrt I thought Jack found another crash / previous settlement, then I figured it was just cargo. Now I'm not so sure.

Brian

Spree

10-20-2004, 09:15 PM

So what did Jack DO that his mom jumped all over him about and caused his father to stop talking to him? Boo for not enough juicy details. And why was he busting the crap out of the coffin? Because it was empty, or was Jack finally taking out some pent-up anger at his asshole father?

This ep firmed up my like-atude for Jack. The whole "you don't have what it takes to lead" was actually a bit weak, IMO (although I got the point of Jack's reluctance to take charge), but I was totally impressed with Matthew Fox as an actor. Thumbs up!

Can anybody tell me what happened at the very very end, when Jack was talking to Kate? This is the second week that my Tivo has cut off the end. Kate was asking him where he was today, and Jack was coyly avoiding telling her, and then I missed the rest...plus next week's reviews. Stupid Tivo. :mad:

(On preview: N9IWP, I noticed the same thing about the jungle animal noises. Also, for some odd reason, the ethereal music in the moonlit, deserted clearing made me think of the Myst video games...)

Antigen

10-20-2004, 09:48 PM

When he first got to the area near the waterfall, my first thought was "The tail! He found the tail!"

Guess not... but it sure looked like a chunk of plane. Cargo area?

I missed the discussion between the asian couple - what were they talking about?

And why so much trouble with water? It's rained a few times since the crash - did nobody think of putting things out to catch rainfall? That cooler, for one, would have made a great bucket.

NoClueBoy

10-20-2004, 09:50 PM

Empty coffin? Curiouser and curiouser...

Spock!

misstee

10-20-2004, 10:16 PM

Just subscribing so I can keep up on discusions.

:)

Lucretia

10-20-2004, 10:23 PM

Sooo...why is Jack the only one who can jump in to save the drowning people? Seems to me that if someone else had participated, both of them could be saved.

Juniper200

10-20-2004, 10:33 PM

The coffin bit pissed me off a little, actually. A real coffin -- especially an expensive one such as would be pushed on a bereaved son who just wants to get out of the country -- would be heavier and would splinter less readily than the prop coffin they had. It would also be composed of more than just wood veneer like the one they had; there'd probably be some styrofoam and other ingredients as well. But I'm just a weirdo. Magic of Hollywood, magic of Hollywood...

There were some sweet moments with Charlie and Claire (who is a woo-woo creduloid (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281367), I note) back at the beach. On one hand, I think they're hammering the "Junkie/Criminal/Asshole With a Heart of Gold" trope a little heavily in this show, but I guess there are enough assholes hanging around Midsection Beach for me to accept Charlie as a heroin enthusiast who happens to be a nice guy as well.

Speaking of assholes, how much did I love Sawyer in that scene with Shannon? A lot, that's how much. Despite Jack's little "ask not what your fellow castaways can do for you" speech at the end, I think the writers are setting up a good-sized confrontation re: Sawyer's setting himself up as the "Red" Redding (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/) of the survivors. Communism's clearly the way to go in a situation like this -- how long can/will Capitalist Running Dog Sawyer hold out?

I did not expect the thief to be Boone. I guess after his involvement early in the episode, I sort of wrote him off for the duration. My mistake. How much of the incident was "theft" and how much was "Oh gosh, here's some water," do you think?

Like Antigen, I question why they weren't collecting water in the first place. It's rained several times. I had just assumed there was a fresh water source somewhere near the beach. I know I'd make water my primary concern after the first day or so if there were no stream nearby! (Deep breaths, Junie. Magic of Hollywood, magic of Hollywood...)

kung fu lola

10-20-2004, 10:55 PM

The coffin bit pissed me off a little, actually. A real coffin -- especially an expensive one such as would be pushed on a bereaved son who just wants to get out of the country -- would be heavier and would splinter less readily than the prop coffin they had. It would also be composed of more than just wood veneer like the one they had; there'd probably be some styrofoam and other ingredients as well. But I'm just a weirdo. Magic of Hollywood, magic of Hollywood...

Like Antigen, I question why they weren't collecting water in the first place. It's rained several times. I had just assumed there was a fresh water source somewhere near the beach. I know I'd make water my primary concern after the first day or so if there were no stream nearby! (Deep breaths, Junie. Magic of Hollywood, magic of Hollywood...)

I felt exactly the same way. In high school, we took a tour of a funeral home and learned that many coffins are wood shells over steel boxes. They are riveted shut! You can't open most models without power tools. This also bothered me on Smallville.

As for the water, am I the only person who knows that wherever there are plants, you can collect water, especially if you have enough tarps to make a shelter? We learned about that in grade seven science class, we had to draw a diagram showing how to do it and everything. It was agony looking at all that lush greenery around, and them all freaked out about collecting water!

I can suspend disbelief, but sometimes it feels like I am being asked to have more suspension than an SUV.

t-keela

10-20-2004, 11:03 PM

So did anyone also watch The West Wing? Maybe part of the riddle is solved.
Locke is President Bartlett's military adviser now, since Fitzwallace was killed last season.
He's a General when he's at the Whitehouse but was obviously a colonel at one time. ;)
Two primetime shows running opposite of each other. Not bad.

Wile E

10-20-2004, 11:04 PM

Sooo...why is Jack the only one who can jump in to save the drowning people? Seems to me that if someone else had participated, both of them could be saved.

Yeah that got me, too. Charlie said he couldn't swim but out of all those other people there, someone should have been able to swim and they could have swam out and helped Boone (the lifeguard) back in at least so Jack could have gone after the girl.

As for collecting water, they did do that in a previous episode. I assumed they had just rebottled their water and it hadn't rained again for them to collect more.

Dewey Finn

10-20-2004, 11:05 PM

What did Locke say? "I looked into the eye of this island. And it was beautiful." So what did he see?

As for collecting water, it's a lush jungle, so water must have been nearby. But as the characters said, they assumed that they'd be rescued within a day or two, so they didn't try to locate any more water, or collect the rainwater.

But I'll be annoyed if they drag out the big mystery for several seasons.

Darwin's Finch

10-20-2004, 11:08 PM

I find it especially odd that everyone was concerned about water this episode when two episodes ago, they were putting out tarps and such to collect water. Did they suddenly forget that it rains there? At least Sawyer didn't.

My first thought at the beginning was "where the heck is Lifeguard Dude? This is what he does!" Then we learn that he's apparently not very good at life-guarding....

As for the water, am I the only person who knows that wherever there are plants, you can collect water

Locke was doing just that. I think he's trying out for tribal shaman....

Wile E

10-20-2004, 11:12 PM

...

Locke was doing just that. I think he's trying out for tribal shaman....

He gets my vote.
"You can't lead if you don't know where you're going."

dropzone

10-20-2004, 11:14 PM

I was happy I started calling Kate "Freckles" before I heard anybody on the show do it. It's just that they are so ADORABLE!

They have a wet beach, sunlight, and I am sure a bunch of garbage bags out of the same galley where they found the water. Instant solar still. Could probably get a pint a day out of one. But magic of Hollywood....

dropzone

10-20-2004, 11:18 PM

BTW, who drowned? I was hoping it was Shannon, but I guess no such luck. :(

Cuckoorex

10-20-2004, 11:23 PM

A pint a day distributed among how many survivors...not to mention a thristy dog!

Juniper200

10-20-2004, 11:25 PM

As for the water, am I the only person who knows that wherever there are plants, you can collect water, especially if you have enough tarps to make a shelter?
Personally, I learned it from Baby-Sitters Club Super Specail #4: "Baby-Sitters Island Adventure (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0590424939/qid=/sr=/ref=cm_lm_asin/102-5537692-6692131?v=glance), but I'm a special case.

Eyebrows 0f Doom

10-20-2004, 11:32 PM

BTW, who drowned? I was hoping it was Shannon, but I guess no such luck. :(
Yeah, we wouldn't be that lucky. It was some random woman whose name I didn't even catch. I think think we'd even met her before.

Was anyone else so frustrated by Jack not telling Kate about the whole father/ empty coffin thing (Or even seeming too weirded out by it)?? Unless I totally misunderstood it, but, hello!!?? I would be a bit more freaked out than that if I saw a previously dead man suddenly walking around only to then find that his coffin was empty and therefore it was not a hallucination!

vivalostwages

10-20-2004, 11:32 PM

Whoa, looks like things are really heating up next week. Violence and mayhem and drugs, oh my!

If I'd been on an island like this, I'd have been out looking for fresh water from day one. They should have figured that the giant beasties are drinking something and not just waiting for rainfall.

That opening scene with the kid beating the crap out of the other one was very disturbing.

Jack's parents....Sheesh! What a way to tear down your kid, folks.

Spree, my VCR cut off at 9pm and lost a tiny chunk of the episode because ABC is actually running the show just a tad past that time. Next time I'll have to program it to go to 9:01 so as to get every last bit plus the promo for next week.
Adjust TiVo accordingly. :)

Icarus

10-21-2004, 12:06 AM

t-keela

10-21-2004, 05:38 AM

Yeah, I heard they ran out of actors in Hollywood so they're asking some to double up.

Now if they could only bribe Martin Sheen to show up on the island in an Air Force 1 rescue helicopter we could tie this thing up and bring it home. :D
OR
Better yet, when the POTUS shows up have Fitz be there (alive) on the island w/ Jacks dad and the next episode could be called "Genesis 2...The Search for Locke"

;)

Just funnin guys. So, how would you improve or make it more interesting?

Hanna

10-21-2004, 06:30 AM

When Sawyer and Kate were on the ground, did he say something about wanting that for four years? Or did I mishear? Did they know each other before?

No sign of the monster in the jungle, it seems like they're all pretty willing to explore in the jungle now. What bothers me the most is that no one has even scouted the perimeter of the island, I don't think they know how big it is, or if there is anything on the other side.

mouthbreather

10-21-2004, 07:25 AM

Can anybody tell me what happened at the very very end, when Jack was talking to Kate? This is the second week that my Tivo has cut off the end. Kate was asking him where he was today, and Jack was coyly avoiding telling her, and then I missed the rest...plus next week's reviews. Stupid Tivo. :mad:

As vivalostwages said, blame ABC for not airing it exactly within the 9-10 hour. I understand you are upset, BUT DO NOT BADMOUTH THE TIVO. NEXT TIME, SOMEONE WILL KNOCK ON YOUR FRONT DOOR.

And I also want to know what was that convo about at the end after Jack said "I had to take care of some things?"

Trunk

10-21-2004, 07:58 AM

When Sawyer and Kate were on the ground, did he say something about wanting that for four years? Or did I mishear? Did they know each other before?

He definitely did. Something like "I've been thinking about doing this for four years."

As for the water, am I the only person who knows that wherever there are plants, you can collect water, especially if you have enough tarps to make a shelter? We learned about that in grade seven science class, we had to draw a diagram showing how to do it and everything. It was agony looking at all that lush greenery around, and them all freaked out about collecting water!

They collected water from leaves, LAST NIGHT.

And, they've been collecting water using tarps. It just hasn't rained in a while (which makes you wonder why it was still on the leaves, but at least they showed that they have that covered.)

misstee

10-21-2004, 08:12 AM

What bothers me the most is that no one has even scouted the perimeter of the island, I don't think they know how big it is, or if there is anything on the other side.

Wouldn't we all chuckle if on the other side was some nice beach resort, with plenty of food and drinks and nice comfy beds.

eenerms

10-21-2004, 08:37 AM

VunderBob

10-21-2004, 08:41 AM

Did anyone else hear the clinking of ice in a glass before Jack found the water? like in the scene with his father after he was beaten up.

I think Jack's father'body wasn't on the plane(the flashback at the airport) just the coffin, so he distroyed it out of guilt for not doing what he was to do.

My original thought was that the airline removed the body and sent an empty coffin to shut Jack up and get him to LA. However, if he was chasing his dad's ghost through the jungle, then it makes more sense that Jack planted him in Oz and took an empty coffin to mollify everyone else at home.

misstee

10-21-2004, 08:57 AM

However, if he was chasing his dad's ghost through the jungle, then it makes more sense that Jack planted him in Oz and took an empty coffin to mollify everyone else at home.

If he planted his dad in Oz, why would he have opened the casket. Granted, he didn't look to shocked to see the casket empty, but if he knew it was empty, why open it?

Trion

10-21-2004, 08:59 AM

Speculation:

Jack is at the airport loudly asking someone to sneak a coffin past customs. A Mad Bomber overhears this and thinks "A Ha!"

Said bomber sneaks back to the cargo area of the airport, removes the body from the coffin and hides it. Gets in the coffin with a bomb.

Once the plane is in the air, the bomber gets out of the coffin, places bomb where it will do the most damage, leaving the coffin empty. Plane blows up real good.

Is the Mad Bomber still alive?

Trunk

10-21-2004, 09:06 AM

Speculation:
Jack is at the airport loudly asking someone to sneak a coffin past customs. A Mad Bomber overhears this and thinks "A Ha!"

Said bomber sneaks back to the cargo area of the airport, removes the body from the coffin and hides it. Gets in the coffin with a bomb.

Once the plane is in the air, the bomber gets out of the coffin, places bomb where it will do the most damage, leaving the coffin empty. Plane blows up real good.

Is the Mad Bomber still alive?

Does this last sentence indicate that you weren't joking 100%?

Big_Norse

10-21-2004, 09:11 AM

My original thought was that the airline removed the body and sent an empty coffin to shut Jack up and get him to LA. However, if he was chasing his dad's ghost through the jungle, then it makes more sense that Jack planted him in Oz and took an empty coffin to mollify everyone else at home.Or it wasn't even his dad's coffin. They prevented him from transporting his father, he sends the body back to the funeral home to wait proper clearance, but has to take the flight himself. Which is why he's so stunned when he sees the coffin, thinking maybe they did get his dad on the flight. But it turns out to be an unrelated empty coffin (which would explain why it wasn't bolted shut).

Or it could just be something supernatural and his dead dad is now walking around the island.

When Sawyer and Kate were on the ground, did he say something about wanting that for four years? Or did I mishear? Did they know each other before?Yep, I heard that too!

Fiver

10-21-2004, 09:26 AM

So Jack's mother thinks she's lost her husband and her son now.

I'm wondering how many of these guest stars (like Veronica Hamel) will have recurring roles in flashbacks.

I'm also wondering if we'll see present-day scenes off the island, like of Hamel's character having a double funeral for Jack and his dad, or Driveshaft auditioning a new bass player.

Trion

10-21-2004, 09:28 AM

Does this last sentence indicate that you weren't joking 100%?

No. Why?

I'll admit that it's the most speculative part of the speculation, but considering how many others survived, it's possible that ...

my theoretical Mad Bomber survived too. Perhaps he got back in the coffin after placing the bomb where he thought it would to the most damage (in a part of the plane far from the coffin).

Or any one of a hundred other freaky occurances. After all, the lame are already walking.

DeVena

10-21-2004, 09:32 AM

OK this is just me thinking out loud... But what if this is the "Island of Miracles"? Locke was paralyzed and now isn't; Jack's dad was dead and now isn't. Even if someone did come to rescue them, I don't think Locke will ever leave the island willingly.

Max Carnage

10-21-2004, 09:42 AM

Yeah but the plane didn't blow up real good. It seems more like it broke up instead. And that coffin is made out of some incredible stuff to survive a 20000 foot fall and still be on its hinges. And of course Jack is the stongest man in the world to destroy it so easily. Makes me wonder if the coffin was actually there or not.

I was really hoping when Jack stumbled across the section of plane that there would be a name other than Oceanic on the side (not that I saw any name, but still)

So we're down to 46 survivors, according to Jack, right? Didn't they say there were 48 on the first day? Who else died other than the woman who must have gone swimming in a red shirt? The pilot wasn't included in the initial count since they didn't know about him at first.

Max Carnage

10-21-2004, 09:47 AM

Oh and did anyone else notice that Sawyer was reading (which surprised me in the first place) Watership Down? White rabbit indeed.

misstee

10-21-2004, 10:04 AM

So we're down to 46 survivors, according to Jack, right? Didn't they say there were 48 on the first day? Who else died other than the woman who must have gone swimming in a red shirt? The pilot wasn't included in the initial count since they didn't know about him at first.

The US Marshall.

Judith Prietht

10-21-2004, 10:13 AM

I felt exactly the same way. In high school, we took a tour of a funeral home and learned that many coffins are wood shells over steel boxes. They are riveted shut! You can't open most models without power tools. This also bothered me on Smallville.

Well, it's clear to me that kung fu lola went to a far cooler high school than I did.

I was totally expecting the drowning woman to be a figment of Jack's imagination. I also loved the clinking of the ice in the glass, especially when it was used to announce his father's appearance in the jungle. Great and creepy. But not as creepy as the crate of dolls. Gah. Dolls never bode well.

Wile E

10-21-2004, 10:39 AM

So Trion, would that be "the Mad Bomber what bombs at midnight"?

Don't want to hijack here but my ancient computer is giving me problems searching for myself, does anyone know what the song was that was playing at the end of Tabula Rasa? I rewatched the episode yesterday and now I can't get that song out of my head.

Judith Prietht

10-21-2004, 10:50 AM

Allright, help me answer a question. When Jack slipped off the cliff, was he hanging over the ocean or a river bed? My vote is for ocean, but my friend says riverbed.

dropzone

10-21-2004, 10:53 AM

the professor (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=5)Wait a sec--it sez here that Naveen Andrews "resides in Los Angeles with his partner, Barbara Hershey." He was born in 1969 and she in 1948. Since we try not to be creeped out when talking about July/October romances where the man is 21 years older than the woman I will not be sexist. Instead I will say, "You the woman, Barbara!" However, I can't help a little awkwardness when I think of how I had a crush on her three years before he was born. :eek:

dropzone

10-21-2004, 10:55 AM

Allright, help me answer a question. When Jack slipped off the cliff, was he hanging over the ocean or a river bed? My vote is for ocean, but my friend says riverbed.A dry and rocky riverbed.

Trion

10-21-2004, 10:59 AM

So Trion, would that be "the Mad Bomber what bombs at midnight"?

Well obviously. :)

Yeah but the plane didn't blow up real good. It seems more like it broke up instead.

Damn you and your "logic". ;) Okay, it's not a bomber. It's some crazed maniac with a pair of bolt cutters. Or something.

....

...

I'll just be sitting over here.

kidchameleon

10-21-2004, 11:13 AM

So Trion, would that be "the Mad Bomber what bombs at midnight"?

Yeah, baby, YEAH!

I was wondering if the doll had some symbolism to go with the lady who drowned.

Max Carnage

10-21-2004, 12:08 PM

[Tick Geek]

Ok, it's driving me crazy...

"Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs At Midnight"

Thanks...

[/Tick Geek]

Milkshake! BOOM!

Juniper200

10-21-2004, 12:17 PM

Don't want to hijack here but my ancient computer is giving me problems searching for myself, does anyone know what the song was that was playing at the end of Tabula Rasa? I rewatched the episode yesterday and now I can't get that song out of my head.

"Wash Away" by Joe Purdy. If you find a copy, keep me in mind. :)

OneChance

10-21-2004, 12:48 PM

"Wash Away" by Joe Purdy. If you find a copy, keep me in mind. :)

http://www.joepurdy.com/

Juniper200

10-21-2004, 01:45 PM

http://www.joepurdy.com/
Or yeah, we could investigate sensible links. That works too. Whatever.

John Mace

10-21-2004, 01:51 PM

Seems like the pace of the plot is slowing down noticeably. I'm wondering if we won't see the group split in two at some point (two tribes competing on an island :) ), with Jack as the leader of one group and Slick-guy (don't remember his name) as the other leader. Anyway, I'm really digging this show and hope they don't bring too much supernatural crap into it. Locke has seen the monster. Will he tell Jack at least?

Cuckoorex

10-21-2004, 01:58 PM

I'm pretty sure that Sawyer's actual line was, "I made this wish four year ago."

Trunk

10-21-2004, 02:18 PM

I'm pretty sure that Sawyer's actual line was, "I made this wish four year ago."

now THAT'S interesting.

for all the "mad bombers" and "windmills and turbines" theories out there, one interesting theory is that the island is a manifestation of people's thoughts/dreams/fears somehow.

Could Sawyer have known her and wished he was stranded on a desert island with her?

Could Locke have wished to be able to walk again?

Could Jack have wished for a chance to reconcile with his father?

Could Hurley have wish to be thin, "Drive Shaft" wished to be sober, the black guy to be with his son?

av8rmike

10-21-2004, 03:27 PM

Cervaise

10-21-2004, 03:56 PM

Speaking for myself, I will be very disappointed if this show turns into what strikes me as little more than a riff on the Trek episode "Shore Leave" and a thousand similar shows since.

Morbo

10-21-2004, 04:18 PM

Speaking for myself, I will be very disappointed if this show turns into what strikes me as little more than a riff on the Trek episode "Shore Leave" and a thousand similar shows since.

I got that exact sinking feeling while watching last night. As soon as the casket was empty, I half expected Finnegan to show up. "Wooo-ha ha ha!! C'mere, Jimmy Boy!"

Evil Death

10-21-2004, 04:36 PM

I think that was The Brown Bunny you're thinking of...unless, of course, you're familiar with a version of Alice in Wonderland (http://www.wonderlandthemovie.com/) that I'm not.

It appears that I am familiar with a version of Alice in Wonderland (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074113/) that you are not.

dropzone

10-21-2004, 05:34 PM

Has this been asked already?

Did they really survive the crash or is this the afterlife?

EvilHamsterOnCrack

10-21-2004, 05:50 PM

now THAT'S interesting.

for all the "mad bombers" and "windmills and turbines" theories out there, one interesting theory is that the island is a manifestation of people's thoughts/dreams/fears somehow.

Could Sawyer have known her and wished he was stranded on a desert island with her?

Could Locke have wished to be able to walk again?

Could Jack have wished for a chance to reconcile with his father?

Could Hurley have wish to be thin, "Drive Shaft" wished to be sober, the black guy to be with his son?
Kinda like a "Sphere" type thing?

Juniper200

10-21-2004, 06:06 PM

Has this been asked already?

Did they really survive the crash or is this the afterlife?
It's been discussed, and I think the general consensus is that we will feel profoundly ripped off if that's the case.

kung fu lola

10-21-2004, 07:06 PM

They collected water from leaves, LAST NIGHT.

And, they've been collecting water using tarps. It just hasn't rained in a while (which makes you wonder why it was still on the leaves, but at least they showed that they have that covered.)

Not like that. You can harness the natural respiration process of plants to create a constant collection of fresh water it's kind of like the "solar still" another poster mentioned. Conventional solar stills are also effective - they work by collecting the condensation from the temperature change when the sun rises. This is a much safer bet than just waiting for it to rain, especially when you have children and pregnant women in your party. I bet those plants could go for longer without water than us puny humans could.

Wile E

10-21-2004, 07:18 PM

Thanks Juniper and OneChance for the name and link. :)
So far I'm liking what I hear, reminds me a little of Damien Rice.

Fiver

10-21-2004, 10:46 PM

Did they really survive the crash or is this the afterlife?
If it were, why all the dead bodies? And how would the pilot, the marshal and this week's swimmer die?

RikWriter

10-22-2004, 06:11 AM

If it were, why all the dead bodies? And how would the pilot, the marshal and this week's swimmer die?

Maybe they are just the ones from the plane that had unresolved life issues and couldn't "pass on" to the Afterlife, so they are stuck on the island to work out their problems.

Trunk

10-22-2004, 06:21 AM

... Kate wishing to be absolved of her crime?

... The Korean man wishing his wife was more chaste and subservient?

... Claire wishing that her pregnancy was complicated?

Interesting idea, Trunk, but I'm not really buying it yet.

Well, I'm not necessarily either, but it is somewhat consistent with everything we've seen.

We don't have the back stories of those characters you mentioned, yet. Maybe Claire had to get away from a guy. Maybe Korean wife was looking for a chance to break free.

But, the back stories we do have -- Kate captured by a marshall, Locke wanting a "walkabout", Jack being tormented by his father's expectations -- would fit into this theory, to a degree.

Clearly, something "magical" is happening. What's the logic behind the magic? Is it random? Maybe. . .maybe not.

Encinitas

10-22-2004, 10:24 AM

Max Carnage

10-22-2004, 10:52 AM

I'm pretty sure that Sawyer's actual line was, "I made this wish four year ago."

I think he said "I made this birthday wish four years ago." I only took it as Sawyer just being a little pervert and trying to make Kate blush.

Cervaise

10-22-2004, 12:23 PM

Ok, what is the significance (if any) of Charley's tattoo on his left shoulderMeans he likes elbow sex.

What?

Encinitas

10-22-2004, 12:39 PM

Doesn't everybody?

Oh look! A doll in a pool!

Juniper200

10-22-2004, 01:07 PM

Ok, what is the significance (if any) of Charley's tattoo on his left shoulder that says Living is easy...with eyes closed?
It is a quote from the Lennon and McCartney song Strawberry Fields (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beatles/14349.html).
The next line in the song is "Misunderstanding all you see." :confused:
That's one of Dom Monaghan's real tattoos. I suppose there's some significance in their choosing not to cover it up -- it's a neat sort of commentary on the character's chemical dependence.

Of course, they didn't cover up the Elvish "nine" tattoo on his other arm, either. Maybe Charlie's just a geek who likes the Beatles? :)

Keweenaw

10-22-2004, 01:09 PM

Just subscribing so I can keep up on discusions.

:)

good idea, thanks

supervenusfreak

10-22-2004, 01:13 PM

[QUOTE=Trunk]Maybe Korean wife was looking for a chance to break free./QUOTE]

According to a story in TV Guide, we will be learning alot more about her backstory soon. There will be several surprises.

Jack Sayid

10-22-2004, 01:33 PM

1.9 - "Solitary" Promotional Photos (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=57) released.

Whoa, Sayid! (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=57&pos=17)

Profane

10-22-2004, 01:48 PM

Has anyone been keeping up with the words on Charlie's fingers? I've seen "fate" in one episode and this one had "late." Maybe it's another Alice reference (I'm late I'm late for a very important date) and the fect that Jack's father is dead. Or maybe I spend too much time staring at Dominick. :)

middleman

10-23-2004, 09:36 AM

I thought Sawyer's "birthday wish four years ago" was a pervie comment about being forced into sex by a hot woman, not a Kate specific comment.

SenorBeef

10-23-2004, 12:44 PM

Stupid Tivo. :mad:

Blasphemy! Tivo does no wrong.

Tivo is synced up to some fancy clock on a daily basis. Blame ABC for mis-scheduling their show.

SenorBeef

10-23-2004, 01:10 PM

I felt exactly the same way. In high school, we took a tour of a funeral home and learned that many coffins are wood shells over steel boxes. They are riveted shut! You can't open most models without power tools.

Huh. I thought the dead guy walking around was more of a strain on the suspension of disbelief.

:)

Allright, help me answer a question. When Jack slipped off the cliff, was he hanging over the ocean or a river bed? My vote is for ocean, but my friend says riverbed.

I only saw rocks.

I think he said "I made this birthday wish four years ago." I only took it as Sawyer just being a little pervert and trying to make Kate blush.

That's what I heard, too. He was making a sarcastic joke about the situation they were in. Nothing to read into.

Spree

10-23-2004, 04:55 PM

I understand you are upset, BUT DO NOT BADMOUTH THE TIVO. NEXT TIME, SOMEONE WILL KNOCK ON YOUR FRONT DOOR.

Blasphemy! Tivo does no wrong.

Tivo is synced up to some fancy clock on a daily basis. Blame ABC for mis-scheduling their show.
(Sorry Tivo!) Stupid ABC. :mad:

I changed my Tivo settings to allow a couple more minutes of recording. In the meantime, can anyone tell me what the previews showed for next week? Pretty please?

jsgoddess

10-23-2004, 06:44 PM

Whoa, Sayid!

That's exactly my reaction every time I lay peepers on that man.

Whoa.

Whooooaaa.

Otto

10-23-2004, 07:48 PM

Who, out of 46 random people, is going to know how to build a solar still? How many of them would have even heard of a solar still?

silenus

10-23-2004, 08:51 PM

If any of them are Dopers......... :D

Solar stills are easy. If anybody on the plane was in the Scouts, they'll most likely know how to make one.

Encinitas

10-24-2004, 01:01 AM

Couple (or three) of things occured to me on watching the rebroadcast of the last two episodes tonight.
1) Locke did not kill the boar (as someone already hypothesized), the island beast did. This conclusion is based on Locke's reaction when Hurley (I think) praised him on killing the boar and Locke looked surprised that he would make such a statement.
2) The Korean couple are not married to each other. This is based on the comment that the "husband" makes to the "wife" at the end of the White Rabbit episode when she thanks him for getting her the water. He says "That's what husbands do." As if that was a role he was playing.
3) Hi...Veronica Hamel has not aged well. Speculation: the thing that Jack did that his mother refers to as making him responsible for going to get his dad...possibly he reported his dad was an alcoholic and not fit to perform surgery. Thus being forced out of his job as "Chief of Surgery" and causing him to loose all his friends.
4) The island beast is an elephant.
P.S. I noticed an interesting difference between the promo clips for White Rabbit and the actual broadcast show. In the promo Locke says "I have looked into the eye of the island and it is magical." But in the actual episode he says "I have looked into the eye of the island and it is wonderful."

Evil Death

10-24-2004, 04:57 AM

2) The Korean couple are not married to each other. This is based on the comment that the "husband" makes to the "wife" at the end of the White Rabbit episode when she thanks him for getting her the water. He says "That's what husbands do." As if that was a role he was playing.

I don't see where you get that from. When you thank a friend for helping you and they say, "That's what friends are for", you don't suddenly assume that they're only pretending to be your friend, do you?

The obvious interpretation based on his "we should be independent" kick is that he was saying it to prove that her husband was all the help she needed.

RikWriter

10-24-2004, 08:19 AM

4) The island beast is an elephant.

Not a chance. If that were the case, I would cease watching the show right now, since it would be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

GraceTX

10-24-2004, 08:59 AM

2) The Korean couple are not married to each other. This is based on the comment that the "husband" makes to the "wife" at the end of the White Rabbit episode when she thanks him for getting her the water. He says "That's what husbands do." As if that was a role he was playing.

Getting water for your spouse is something that a person would do, but the Korean woman seemed surprised by it. Because of the way they interact and that they clearly aren't comfortable or used to each other, I suspect that they are newly married or soon to be married. This might also be an arranged marriage. I have two friends who had arranged marriages and one of them didn't meet his soon-to-be-wife until the day of the wedding. :eek:

Barbarian

10-24-2004, 09:23 AM

Okay, can someone please tell those of us who missed the very end what Kate and Jack were talking about.

Encinitas

10-24-2004, 01:01 PM

Barbarian, at the end Jack was telling Kate about his father dying.

N9IWP

10-24-2004, 01:06 PM

TORN has the TV guide issue scanned.
http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1539

For comic mavens:

The comic is a Spanish translation of "Green Lantern/Flash: Faster Friends" Part 1"

The one armed farmer WAS a nod to "The Fugitive" :cool:

Brian

Wile E

10-24-2004, 03:06 PM

...
P.S. I noticed an interesting difference between the promo clips for White Rabbit and the actual broadcast show. In the promo Locke says "I have looked into the eye of the island and it is magical." But in the actual episode he says "I have looked into the eye of the island and it is wonderful."

I noticed this type of thing a couple things, it's very annoying but I suppose it's more the networks doing than the producers. At least I'd like to think so. I believe he said "it's beautiful" in the actual show. The other time I noticed this thing was in Walkabout. Boone said to Shannon "someone may have died out there", in the promos it's "someone died out there.".