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BrainGlutton
12-29-2004, 03:42 PM
I was doing some research on think-tanks in the Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_economics_consultancies_and_think_tanks, and I happened across a page about a new one called the "Coalition for a New American Society" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_a_New_American_Society:

Philosophy and objectives

According to papers released by the organization, Americans have a dogmatic adherence to a flawed reading of the Constitution. The Bill of Rights was never meant to make it impossible for the government to combat anti-Americanism and subversion. Indeed, these threats to American society have grown to such a degree that they are in danger of overwhelming all of American society, and drastic action is needed.

Adherence to such principles as substantive and procedural due process and court-approved search and seizure have hamstrung the efforts of the government to keep Americans safe. Society needs broad new controls to prevent the outflow of dangerous ideas and information from splinter subversive groups that will inevitably emerge in large societies.

CNAS believes that there is a consensus in American society that these elements have to be dealt with strictly, foremost for the protection of minors. However, most Americans will not support substantive action with their current state of thought, and this needs to be remedied.

Action proposed

CNAS has gradually proposed a tightening of restrictions on the rights of criminals and an expansion of police powers without judicial interference in dangerous cases. It is essential that these new powers are afforded to the fight against elements that there will be broad support for applying them against.

Gradually, the police should be granted the authority to casually investigate individuals with no suspicion. Of course, no substantive action would be taken agaisnt them, because they have done nothing wrong, but this fair treatment will accustom them to expanded police authority.

This will gradually affect the mindset of the American people to make them more receptive to increased police and government authority. In turn, they will then support strict action against the elements that would harm all of American society if left unchecked.

:eek:

Now, this organization purportedly was founded in 2000 -- well before the 9/11 attacks. And their program is stuff nobody, but nobody, says out loud in American politics. This stuff is shockingly authoritarian even by John Ashcroft's standards. I immediately wished to know more -- who are these people? Where do they come from? Who funds their think-tank? Who uses their services? Do they have any influence with anyone in government? What kind of "subversive" or "anti-American" threats are they mainly concerned with? Islamic terrorists? American right-wing terrorists like Timothy McVeigh and the militia groups? American left-wing . . . well, there haven't been any left-wing "terrorists" in this country since the Weather Underground and the SLA, but maybe these people regard even the Greens or the Democratic Socialists of America or, for all I know, Howard Dean as dangerous to society. From the article, there's no way to tell.

But I can't seem to find out more. Unlike practically every other think-tank listed, the article on this one does not provide a link to their website, nor does it name any of their officers, members or employees, nor does it provide any contact information, not even in what city the organization is based. I tried a couple of different search engines and could find nothing about CNAS on the Internet. Does this organization actually exist, or is this an elaborate woosh that none of the Wikipedia editors have caught yet?

Squink
12-29-2004, 04:42 PM
Sounds like a spinoff of the Project for a New American Century. Could be a Wiki-woosh, though as the several sites I found describing the organization all contain text similar to the wiki article, it is definitely [/i]more[/i] than just a bad encyclopedia entry.

BrainGlutton
12-29-2004, 05:12 PM
. . . though as the several sites I found describing the organization all contain text similar to the wiki article. . ..

Where did you find those?

aahala
12-29-2004, 05:45 PM
From what I see using google, I'd say the "organization" was something thunked up by a couple of college students on spring break.

Since the Council needs some board members, here's our chance.

Brain, can I put you down as Chairman, or do you want to be special advisor to me. I want to be member emeritus, or perhaps "Grandfather Clock.".

Captain Amazing
12-29-2004, 05:55 PM
though as the several sites I found describing the organization all contain text similar to the wiki article, it is definitely [/i]more[/i] than just a bad encyclopedia entry.

Not neccesarily. The other sites could have just taken it from wikipedia.

Squink
12-29-2004, 05:56 PM
Where did you find those?
Just a bit of googling on "Coalition for a New American Society". There's nothing very exciting, like a link to the organizations web page. Perhaps they feel the internet is counter-american?
All theWeb also returns a few hits; again nothing exciting. If this outfit exists, they're keeping their heads down.

Captain Amazing
12-29-2004, 06:20 PM
That's one of the problems with Wikipedia. It can be a good source of info, but, also, anyone can put any information they want on there, whether it's true or not.

BrainGlutton
12-29-2004, 07:34 PM
Since the Council needs some board members . . .

Says who? The Wik article says its board was elected in 2000.

Just a bit of googling on "Coalition for a New American Society". There's nothing very exciting, like a link to the organizations web page.

I tried Google and got nothing. Same with the MSN search engine. What's the CNAS web page's url?

I just took another look at the Wikipedia article, and in just the past hour or so they've posted the following notice at the top:

A request has been made on Wikipedia for this article to be deleted.
This request is being discussed to form a consensus whether this is, or could be, an article appropriate for Wikipedia. Please see this page's entry on the votes for deletion page for details. Also see possible outlets for removed articles. If you feel deletion is not justified by Wikipedia deletion policy you may vote against its deletion. Please do not remove this notice or blank this page while the question is being considered. However, you are welcome to continue editing this article and improve it, especially if you can address the concerns of those who believe the article should be deleted.

WTF? Doesn't say why anybody wants it deleted. :confused:

Squink
12-29-2004, 08:04 PM
I tried Google and got nothing. Same with the MSN search engine. What's the CNAS web page's url? I get 19 hits for "Coalition for a New American Society" (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Coalition+for+a+New+American+Society%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official). Maybe the Wiki article was a plant by CNAS that infected your computer with a virus which prevents you finding any further info on them? ;)
As far as I can tell CNAS has no web site.

paperbackwriter
12-29-2004, 08:13 PM
I just took another look at the Wikipedia article, and in just the past hour or so they've posted the following notice at the top:



WTF? Doesn't say why anybody wants it deleted. :confused:
Check the Talk page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coalition_for_a_New_American_Society).

aahala
12-29-2004, 08:15 PM
Says who? The Wik article says its board was elected in 2000.



I tried Google and got nothing.
I saw that board election bit.

The reason I said the board was open -- one of those pages you can't get from google I looked at and there was link as if you could discover who the board members were. . .the page was no longer available.:D

The other sites I looked at, most of the 19, were either the same article or the name was simply on a list with a heading like "newly formed" or "well known" think tanks.

Derleth
12-29-2004, 08:43 PM
That's one of the problems with Wikipedia. It can be a good source of info, but, also, anyone can put any information they want on there, whether it's true or not.And then people like us find out and fix the problem. There's a better chance of Wikipedia getting repaired than Britannica.

I've kicked this article over to everyone else on Wikipedia and see what the argument over there kicks up. If this is bunk, it should be deleted and all back-references destroyed.

BrainGlutton
12-30-2004, 06:20 PM
As far as I can tell CNAS has no web site.

Therefore, it does not exist. Basic law of sociological epistemology in the Info Age, yes?