24: Season 4: Episode 14 (8:00pm - 9:00pm)

[Monstre]

Okay folks, here's a thread for tonight's episode.
Now play nice, boys, and no flame-wars this week, or Monstre will send you to bed without any 24. ;)

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24, Season 4, Episode 14
8:00 PM - 9:00 PM

SPOILERS AHEAD!

Season 4 threads
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Season 3 threads
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Season 2 threads
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Season 1 threads
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[Troy McClure SF]

I still don't have any internet access from home, but I had to come by and say God I miss you guys! These threads are great, because you can snark and no one will shush you!

[PigBoy]

Based on the cast list at IMDB, it looks like Chloe will be back in this episode.

[RancidYakButterTeaParty]

Why Pig Boy Why!!!! Must...Not...Click...

I hope nothing "controversial" happens this week so we can avoid a five page thread about Michelle's bitchiness.

Anyone interested in a prediction on an Air Force One Attack?

I'll say it happens at 8:43

[Flander]

Yeah, I read the spoiler.

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have.

Yeah, I should be leaving work now.

[yosemite]

Well, I'm looking forward to it. Looking forward to the event described in PigBoy's spoiler!

[PigBoy]

Ha ha, I feel so evil, tormenting people with a spoiler! If only it were something more shocking...

[RancidYakButterTeaParty]

It won't happen mister. I will resist the urge with the strength of Nina Meyers!

[carnivorousplant]

If only it were something more shocking...

You could make stuff up.


"Bauer shoots the President with a bazooka, screaming, 'You bitch! I was in love with Paul!'

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Are the creators of this show Star Wars fans? This trend of cutting off limbs is a bit disturbing.

Good to see Chloe back.

*tap*tap*tap*

There. It's done.

[carnivorousplant]

Real one.






The bad guys sure do blow themselves up a lot.

[tdn]

Marwan set us up! Uh, the bomb!

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Well, the B'ver is an orphan now.

So, the dead thumb trick really does work.

[Mr. Duality]

Is it true that Jack Bauer has never eaten anything in any episode?

I'd like to share a little satire:
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/03/24_hamburger.html

[iggy popov]

Is it true that Jack Bauer has never eaten anything in any episode?


Can't eat, terrorists poisoned food.

[jweb]

(Joke for those of us living in the Central time zone)

Tony: What the hell is this? When does this happen in the season?
Jack: Now. You're looking at now. Everything that happens now, is happening now.
Tony: What happened to then?
Jack: We passed it.
Tony: When?
Jack: Just now. We're at now now.
Tony: Go back to then.
Jack: When?
Tony: Now.
Jack: Now?
Tony: Now.
Jack: I can't.
Tony: Why?
Jack: We missed it.
Tony: When?
Jack: Just now.
Tony: When will then be now?
Jack: Soon.
Edgar: Sir, we've identified Marwan's associate!
Tony: Where?
Edgar: We need to find him sir.
Jack: Good. Set an undercover operation and prepare Terror Mom for questioning.
Tony: When?
Edgar: Within 5 minutes sir.
Jack: By the end of the hour I will be Marwan's prisoner.
Tony: WHOOOOOOO?????

With apologies to Mel Brooks

[tdn]

Is it true that Jack Bauer has never eaten anything in any episode?

I'd like to share a little satire:
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/03/24_hamburger.html

*snork!*

24, Season Five: Jack and Kumar Go to Whitecastle

[archmichael]

How many people would be willing to stab themselves in the gut, to make it look convincing? Not me.

Chubby Rain only got to be in one episode.

Poor Edgar, let the poor guy go home. I know this happens every season where everyone pulls a 24 hour shift with no bathroom or lunch breaks, but damn.

All you Chloe fans got your wish. Now I'm gonna have to look at her sour, puckered up face for Lord knows how many episodes.

Once again, the terrorists run rings around the CTU people.

Prisoner exchange. Behrooz for Jack??? Marwan must really want to kill the Araz family because I don't see how it's worth it.

Here's what I think they're going to try with the pilot, Opie CunninghamTry to sneak him in as part of the fighter escort shift change.

[RancidYakButterTeaParty]

This might possibly go down as one of the least interesting episodes of 24 ever, IMO.

Chloe is back, ready to put Edgar in his place.

Is it just me, or has the dialogue for this show really taken a dive?

Curtis is being wasted.

How the hell did they hide that guy behind the seat? Wouldn't he stick out into the trunk? I had a car once (cavalier) that had this option. You could pull the back seat down completely for extra storage space. There is no way you could hide a freakin' grown man in there without him sticking out! Not to mention the fact the guy was sweating bullets the entire time.

Looks like Chloe got a tan while she was out.

Do you think Paul is going to make it?

[Mr. Blue Sky]

How the hell did they hide that guy behind the seat?

It's a Chrysler. Maybe he got a specially made 300 with Stow-and-Go storage.

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Do you think Paul is going to make it?

He's redeemed himself by saving his wife's lover.

I doubt it.

[Dr. Love]

This is the first season of 24 I've watched as it aired. I must say, it's a lot more exciting on DVD, when commercials don't interrupt the enjoyment, and the suspense is maintained when you can watch several episodes at a time.

Chloe is back, but I'm much happier about getting Michelle back.

Now, we need an action-packed episode as Jack fights his way out of the terrorists' hands.

[archmichael]

Do you think Paul is going to make it?I was thinking that she will ending up standing by her soon-to-be paraplegic husband

[interface2x]

Is it true that Jack Bauer has never eaten anything in any episode?


No, in season one, he was eating right before he was debriefed after saving his wife and daughter from their kidnappers.

[Dan Norder]

Damn. I was shocked that my why don't they think to bring Chloe back scenario (in last week's thread) was in this episode almost immediately. If I didn't know they filmed these things in advance I'd think they copied it from my post.

Eeeyay, Chloe's back.

[Evil One]

Best Jack moment by far....stabbing himself for realism. He is the manliest of manly men.

[Evil One]

I meant best moment in this particular hour, of course.

[Monstre]

Caught With Pants Down Pilot: Okay, now let me talk to my family!
Evil Replacement Pilot: Ha ha! Your family is toast. And so are you.
*BANG*

Evil Replacement Pilot (muttering to himself): I can't believe they always fall for that "Do what I say and I won't kill your family" shit! What a schmuck...

[Monstre]

Chloe is back, ready to put Edgar in his place.

Yep -- and she was back to annoying-eye-rolling-Chloe, rather than well-timed-smart-ass-remark Chloe.

She obviously took her Bitch Pills at home, because she sure took that cheap shot or two at Edgar when she got there. Poor guy. He's been a super hero for the last few hours, and now he's back to being Chloe's bitch.

[malden]

It seems like CTU got totally owned by Steve Jobs and his team o' terrorists in this hour. The caper in the tunnel was a great move on their part, even though their getaway wasn't perfect. I wonder what the next planned catastrophe is-- after the rendezvous with Air Force One. I don't think that plot line will carry ten more episodes.

I agree with a previous poster on the quality of the dialogue-- for example, the exchange between Chloe and Edgar when she first returned seemed really stilted, as did the exchange between Jack and Audrey just as Mr. Bean went into surgery. (Audrey: "Tell me he'll be OK." Jack: "I just don't know...") The setup over the last couple of hours for Audrey's switch from Jack back to her husband has been about as subtle as a GWAR concert. Maybe they're toying with us and making it way TOO obvious??

Poor Air Force guy... tried to save his family and they all got killed anyway. He should have known that would happen and deliberately crashed the car or something. But if he survived, he'd have to live with himself, thinking he hadn't done everything he could to save his family.

[Gamaliel]

If you learn one thing from 24, it should be this:

Whenever there's a test, the gun is always empty.

[Marley23]

Yeah, I'm sorry, that was much too predictable. It was pretty obvious just from her conversation with Behrooz that she wasn't coming back. Even more so with the crazy, unrealistic deal they offered her for cooperating again.

[Monstre]

Poor Air Force guy... tried to save his family and they all got killed anyway. He should have known that would happen and deliberately crashed the car or something. But if he survived, he'd have to live with himself, thinking he hadn't done everything he could to save his family.
His best move would have been to signal to the guys doing the search of his car -- and get them to just shoot the back seat or something. After all, under the back seat, it's not like Evil Replacement could see him. Take him out right away, then get a team on the way to his house. His family was probably already dead by that time, unfortunately for him....

[Stuffy]

Kind of a dry set up episode:

Damn they killed Terror mom. No more big brown eyes :( Still, the gun is empty should occur to anybody under those circustances.

Chloe Alert: Chloe is in: That Sketch Show where she's no where near as bithcy, almost, plain jane girl next door.

Missed Lines:

Audrey: I didn''t realize I cared about Mr. Bean so much.
Sec. Def. Well he's still a prick.

I was thinking Audrey would smack Jack a few times and do the whole mis-placed anger thing, but alas.

Resolved: Airforce pukes are pussies. No way does her Whoreliness kick the ass of a Army or Marine grunt that way.

[BobT]

Do Air Force guys just roll out of bed (even at a hotel with a paramour) and then head to the base and go fly some multimillion dollar jet loaded with extraordinarily dangerous weapons in a matter of a few minutes?

What was that guy's schedule
8:00 Go to hotel, get some
8:30 Go to work
8:45 Go fly explensive plane and hope that I don't start World War III because my mind is drifting back to what I did at 8:00

[archmichael]

I agree with a previous poster on the quality of the dialogue-- for example, the exchange between Chloe and Edgar when she first returned seemed really stilted, as did the exchange between Jack and Audrey just as Mr. Bean went into surgery. (Audrey: "Tell me he'll be OK." Jack: "I just don't know...")I was thinking this when the Air Force guy was at the base entrance.

Guard: Please open the trunk, sir.
Air Force Guy: Since when do search trunks?
Me: Uh, let's see. Since the Sec of Def was kidnapped and all the nuclear power plants were put into meltdown.

[interface2x]

Do Air Force guys just roll out of bed (even at a hotel with a paramour) and then head to the base and go fly some multimillion dollar jet loaded with extraordinarily dangerous weapons in a matter of a few minutes?


Okay, Air Force guy fights girl, gets his ass handed to him. Guy comes to replace girl. Girl leaves. Was I the only one thinking "Hmmm....maybe you could take him instead?" Worth a try.

[The Mad Hermit]

Where does Chloe live? In the basement of CTU? She got there, dressed and ready for work, got through security (ha!), reported to Michelle, and began her snark attack on Edgar all in the space of five minutes.

Air Force guy gets a call from his wife on the other woman's phone. THAT conversation didn't go as he expected.

They're giving big clues and making obvious moves- did anyone think that Air Force guy was going to see his family again?

A lot of the things they're doing make no sense. It seems that they are shoehorning the scenes in to fit the plot.

[c_goat]

So is replacement pilot just going to fly the plane in what he's wearing? No need for a flight suit or anything, he'll just wear his formal outfit.

I guess Chloe lives around the block from CTU. She changed clothes and got there pretty fast.

I don't get why Dina tried to shoot Marwan. It doesn't make sense. She knew if she did that, she was dead, guaranteed. She was all for the cause, as well, and killing Marwan is the opposite of that, and wouldn't help her son anyway, because she'd have to assume that Jack would be dead and couldn't tell what happened. Were I her, I would have shot Jack and taken the chance on Marwan letting me live after I explained what happened (especially since Navi decided to kill Behrooz, it wasn't Marwan's order). It seems like they rewrite the characters at a whim. They built up Dina's character to be dedicated to two things: her son first, the cause second. That was totally out of character, as it was in line with neither.

Jack once again proves his bad-assedness, by stabbing himself and just wincing a little.

"Doesn't that hurt?"
"Not really, one time I got tortured to death. THAT hurt."

[annieclaus]

Dialogue has never been a 24 strong point! I challenge anyone to go back over the previous three seasons and the firs part of season #4 and find me an eloquent speech!

And has anyone been keeping a body count for this season?

[Marley23]

I know why he did it, I just wasn't on board with Jack stabbing himself. It may've look real, but you can't go out and make yourself less effective like that.

[Merijeek]

Dialogue has never been a 24 strong point! I challenge anyone to go back over the previous three seasons and the firs part of season #4 and find me an eloquent speech!


Look back over the last three and a half years of your life and tell me the last time you've heard an eloquent speech from someone around you.

I'd be annoyed if we get these absurd speeches for no reason other than a writer deciding to show how eloquent he can be...

-Joe

[msmith537]

Best Jack moment by far....stabbing himself for realism. He is the manliest of manly men.

More lines cut from the show
"You know I want to kill you....but after seeing that display I am pretty sure that you cannot be harmed by conventional weapons."

[JThunder]

Yep -- and she was back to annoying-eye-rolling-Chloe, rather than well-timed-smart-ass-remark Chloe.

She obviously took her Bitch Pills at home, because she sure took that cheap shot or two at Edgar when she got there. Poor guy. He's been a super hero for the last few hours, and now he's back to being Chloe's bitch.
Yeah, she wasn't very nice.

Still oddly hot, though.

[RancidYakButterTeaParty]

I don't want eloquent speeches, I just want dialogue that makes sense, and is believable. Maybe it's more the acting that is the problem this year, not to mention the fact that these episodes seem to be written on the spot.

Didn't Bochco used to do this on NYPD Blue?

[Marley23]

Look back over the last three and a half years of your life and tell me the last time you've heard an eloquent speech from someone around you.

I'd be annoyed if we get these absurd speeches for no reason other than a writer deciding to show how eloquent he can be...
I like to think I have my moments of eloquence. Of course, I write for a living and sometimes I plan what I'm going to say before I have a conversation. Eloquent speeches don't equal good dialogue, but the dialogue still hasn't been that great. It doesn't need to be Shakespeare, they're just having issues with characterization.

Also, there have been at least one or two attempted inspirational speeches this year. Remember Driscoll talking to Edgar about what his mom would've wanted? It wasn't eloquent. It also wasn't that good.

[D_Odds]

More lines cut from the show
"You know I want to kill you....but after seeing that display I am pretty sure that you cannot be harmed by conventional weapons."
Unconventional weapons don't work well either. Even WMDs would be questionable.

Raise your hands...

Who knew that Jack was going to be swapped in the tunnel as soon as they mentioned the tunnel (those guys work faster than CTU)?

Who knew that there was a bomb in the car as soon as CTU said to stop the car?

Who knew that Terror Mom wasn't going to make it to the end of the episode? I'll be generous in interpretation on this one, 30 minutes into the program, who knew?

If your hand is down, I've got some nice Nevadan oceanfront property I'm looking to unload real cheap.

[Marley23]

Who knew that there was a bomb in the car as soon as CTU said to stop the car?
It took you that long? ;) They gave the guy a suitcase; what else was going to be in it?
Who knew that Terror Mom wasn't going to make it to the end of the episode?
Am I supposed to type this with my tongue?

So Fayed was the guy from Bowfinger, eh? Maybe that's why he looked familiar. I could swear I've seen a jazz trumpeter who looks like him, too. And as I sit at this desk, I see a picture of a doctor named Arthur Porter who looks just like both of them. Weird.

[shelbo]

I'm not sure why CTU is so anxious about Marwan. I mean, WE know that he's going to try to kill the president, but CTU doesn't have any idea what his plan is, or whether he's even got another plan. I mean, you've foiled two of the most insidious plots in history -- would you presume that they were mere bluff for the *real plan*? Lucky I'm not running CTU - I would have put out the APB for Marwan, congratulated everyone for a job well done, and gone home to bed!

[D_Odds]

It took you that long? ;) They gave the guy a suitcase; what else was going to be in it?
Shows what happens when I fold and put away clothes while watching TV. Miss the little things.

Am I supposed to type this with my tongue?
I guess we were all fairly certain she would die this season. The question should have been how early did you realize this was the episode?

Now for some prognostication:

Does Terror Son die? If you answer yes, when does Terror Son die? Lastly, does he die heroically saving the day?

shelbo, "chatter" is up. They think something is going to happen, but have no clue what might happen. Given the day's events, they're being supremely cautious. Also, by keeping the pressure constant on Marwan, the trail is hot and they may force a mistake. Given his position as a cell coordinator, capturing him can lead to a large scale terrorist destabilization.

Plus Jack is in the field. Need to take advantage of that before he leaves again, only to be dragged back next season.

[interface2x]

I don't get why Dina tried to shoot Marwan. It doesn't make sense. She knew if she did that, she was dead, guaranteed. She was all for the cause, as well, and killing Marwan is the opposite of that, and wouldn't help her son anyway, because she'd have to assume that Jack would be dead and couldn't tell what happened.

My only guess is that she thought they might still be surveiling her (i.e. CTU knows where she is) and she wanted to take Marwan out so that he couldn't possibly share any further information with the feds. That way, the plan keeps going and CTU wouldn't have any real leads anymore.

[Monstre]

Where does Chloe live? In the basement of CTU? She got there, dressed and ready for work, got through security (ha!), reported to Michelle, and began her snark attack on Edgar all in the space of five minutes.
The encoded printout apparently got there faster, though.
End of last episode:

..Jack hands off the printout.. "Get this to CTU!"
..BANG! Paul gets shot like 5 seconds later..
..Medic rushed in, Paul loaded on chopper, etc etc..

So, then chopper arrives shortly after at CTU with Paul, and the printout has already been decoded when Jack arrives!

[Monstre]

I don't get why Dina tried to shoot Marwan. It doesn't make sense.
I was thinking the same thing. They are surrounded by evil henchman. She kills Marwan, and the henchmen pop her and Jack, and that pretty much means she's not seeing junior ever again.

And they'd already made the deal that Behrooz was going to be freed after it was all over. This new deal was just to keep HER out of prison and let her be with him. So as long as he stays in CTU custody for today, presumably his freedom is taken care of.

She should have just played along and obeyed Marwan. Because if the gun was loaded and Jack died, the blame would still fall on Marwan.

[Marley23]

My only guess is that she thought they might still be surveiling her (i.e. CTU knows where she is) and she wanted to take Marwan out so that he couldn't possibly share any further information with the feds. That way, the plan keeps going and CTU wouldn't have any real leads anymore.
That doesn't really make sense, though, because Behrooz would be up shit creek in that case and so would she. With the way they've driven home "I care about my son" thing, it wouldn't work.

My interpretation of what they wanted us to think she was thinking is this: "If I shoot Jack, my deal with the government is off and Behrooz goes to jail for life. And I know these guys, they'll kill me anyway. So I might as well shoot Marwan and hope for another miracle from Mr. Indestructible over here."

[BobT]

If I were Audrey, I would wonder why Paul is being treated at the CTU clinic instead of a trauma center.

You want a loved one treated by the crack staff that couldn't keep a teenager from cutting her own wrists?

[Ooner]

Does Terror Son die? If you answer yes, when does Terror Son die? Lastly, does he die heroically saving the day?

No way TerrorKid is going to die. From the very beginning he's been at least sort of against the terrorist cause, he's had his girlfriend killed by TerrorMom, been loving and caring enough to forgive and help her anyways, killed his own father (a pretty considerable 24 baddie), and generally done everything right and good.

He'll get his deal, he'll live until the end of the show, easy. Hell, maybe he'll be so turned against the terrorists since they've killed his ma that we'll see him working for CTU next season.

[carnivorousplant]

Damn they killed Terror mom.

They shot her off screen, so maybe she's only Mostly Dead.
:)

[Troy McClure SF]

PSA:

Amazon is selling Seasons 1-3 as a set for $120, 40% off, according to them. Just so y'all know...

[Monstre]

If I were Audrey, I would wonder why Paul is being treated at the CTU clinic instead of a trauma center.

Yeah, I was wondering why he was being choppered back to CTU (instead of a hospital or something) too. Do they just keep a crack staff of surgeons employed at the CTU clinic or something? Do they have that many surgeries to take care of on a daily basis?

Maybe it's because of the non-stop torture going on... ;)

[BobT]

When Driscoll's daughter was there, one of the nurses said they were just a clinic, they weren't equipped for a patient like her daughter.

So they can't take care of a schizophrenic there, but multiple gunshot wounds, hey no problem!

Why they are bringing in a guy from Cedars-Sinai instead of UCLA is a little puzzling too. UCLA is a little bit closer, but maybe they don't want to work with a teaching hospital.
Then again, there was that big accident at the intersection of Sepulveda and National (location of the phony accident in the cover story) and that snarled traffic.

Well, that and all the lights in L.A. going out. Well, a good chunk of lights.

I wonder what happens at the CTU clinic if you're on the job and say you have a stomach ache?
"So, were you punched in the stomach?"
"No, I just feel nauseous."
"Were you poisoned?"
"No, I think I have the flu."
"Maybe you were tortured."
"No my kid has been sick too and everybody at her daycare."
"Hmmm. Nausea. What can we give you for that..... Beats me. I just deal with torture victims and gunshot wounds. You better run down the street to the pharmacy and see if they have some Pepto-Bismol."

[Monstre]

So who thinks the next terrorist plan will succeed and President Keeler is toast?

[BobT]

I don't think Fox has the guts to actually kill even a fictional president. Unless he turns out to be the real bad guy.

I still wonder how this plan will work. Air Force One has a fighter escort. Does Mr. Rogue Pilot get up in the air and tell one of the guys, "Hey, I'm filling in. I'm ... um ... Fred... yeah... Fred... and I'm taking over."
"OK, Fred. See you when we get back home."

[Barbarian]

Hey, was the president actually on the ground this episode? 'cos that was the most office-like plane interior I've ever seen. Venetian blinds, even.

I think the terrorists should have been a little nicer to their chump. If you know Jack is being followed, why sacrifice your putz of a driver? Just park his car and take him with you... CTU will be along in a moment anyway, so just put the bomb on a timer and take out the tunnel, too.

[Smapti]

My guess, based on IMDB spoilers and baseless speculation:

Air Force One gets shot down and Heller, per the advice of General Whatsisname, brings in former President Palmer to run the government.

[RikWriter]

I don't think Fox has the guts to actually kill even a fictional president. Unless he turns out to be the real bad guy.

I still wonder how this plan will work. Air Force One has a fighter escort. Does Mr. Rogue Pilot get up in the air and tell one of the guys, "Hey, I'm filling in. I'm ... um ... Fred... yeah... Fred... and I'm taking over."
"OK, Fred. See you when we get back home."


Unlikely given that the mole AF impersonator is trying to steal a Stealth bomber.

[Merijeek]

My guess, based on IMDB spoilers and baseless speculation:

Air Force One gets shot down and Heller, per the advice of General Whatsisname, brings in former President Palmer to run the government.

Not to rain on anyone's speculation, but isn't that what the veep is for?

-Joe

[BobT]

The Speaker of the House and the President Pro Tem of the Senate would be pretty ticked off too.

Along with the Secretaries of State and Treasury.

[RikWriter]

The Speaker of the House and the President Pro Tem of the Senate would be pretty ticked off too.

Along with the Secretaries of State and Treasury.


I'm in charge here... :D

[BobT]

So they just let people fly stealth bombers who sort of look like they belong? Those things have large crews and I can't imagine that they would just say, "Oh, you're the new guy I guess, here are the keys, keep it filled up and don't scratch it."

[DMark]

[QUOTE=The Mad Hermit]Where does Chloe live? In the basement of CTU? She got there, dressed and ready for work, got through security (ha!), reported to Michelle, and began her snark attack on Edgar all in the space of five minutes.
[QUOTE]

And I thought I was the only one to notice...I figure she lives in a double wide trailer in the alley behind CTU...and I believe it was more like two minutes after Michelle called, Chloe was at her station. Geez...here at work it is hard enough to get someone from the kitchen to their desk in 20 minutes.

Still - I think this is the best season so far!

[John Mace]

So they just let people fly stealth bombers who sort of look like they belong? Those things have large crews and I can't imagine that they would just say, "Oh, you're the new guy I guess, here are the keys, keep it filled up and don't scratch it."


Not sure why you put that in a spoiler... but, Exaclty what I was thinking!

And I did expect Audry to slap Jack when he brought foreign hubby back on a stretcher.

I also thought the CTU guys should've anticipated a problem when someone (Tony?) said it was taking too long for the car to go thru the tunnel. Too bad they couldn't have pulled up the tunnel-cam while Jack was in there instead of waiting until afterwards.

I'm also a bit suspicious about TerrorMom really being dead. Why shoot her off camera???

[quixotic78]

I'm also a bit suspicious about TerrorMom really being dead. Why shoot her off camera???
I thought this too, but I'm always dead wrong with my 24 predictions, so the lady is toast :)

[MaxTheVool]

First of all, people in these threads are using spoiler boxes for all kinds of weird reasons.

Spoiler boxes should be used for any information you have gleaned from outside sources, particulalry including both IMDB entries and the "next week on 24" snippets. They should NOT be used for speculation, or for what you saw in this week's episode but are trying to hide from people in different time zones. People in different time zones should know to avoid these threads until they have seen the show.

It's very confusing for me, as someone who does not want to be spoiled about future episodes, to see a post containing a spoiler box and nothing else. Is it going to say "wow, I'm surprised Chloe returned", which I'm happy to read? Or is it going to containg "OMG, I can't believe we're going to learn that Marwan is really Sherry Palmer's Zombie", which I don't want to read?



Anyhow, I thought this episode was EXCELLENT, and I hope the whole McLennan-Forester thing will be relegated to the dustbin of stupid-and-forgotten-24-plot-elements.

[kidchameleon]

I know this happens every season where everyone pulls a 24 hour shift with no bathroom or lunch breaks, but damn.

Are you kidding? The women always go to the bathroom and phone their terrorist masters. Except this season, maybe they finally sheilded the restrooms against cellular transmissions.

[archmichael]

It is a very trivial thing, but it's been bugging me.

What is with the crappy company logos? I don't know diddly about graphic design, and it looks like something I would come up with.

[Monstre]

First of all, people in these threads are using spoiler boxes for all kinds of weird reasons.

Spoiler boxes should be used for any information you have gleaned from outside sources, particulalry including both IMDB entries and the "next week on 24" snippets. They should NOT be used for speculation, or for what you saw in this week's episode but are trying to hide from people in different time zones. People in different time zones should know to avoid these threads until they have seen the show.

Right. What he said.

MaxTheVool -- a little help for you, regarding these spoiler boxes in recent posts (since I've read them):
1) If you don't want to be spoiled about future episodes, then under NO circumstances should you click on any of RikWriter's spoiler boxes. He gets his info, I think, from Tivo, clairvoyant psychics, and other various secret sources. I think his spoiler a few posts up comes at least from next week's preview, if not more specific sources.

2) BobT's spoiler box appears to be in direct response to Rikwriter's spoiler, and even though most of his comment is speculation, he does repeat a few words from RikWriter's that might be considered spoilage. You may want to avoid.

3) Smapti's was also mostly speculation, but part of that guess is based on seeing some listings of future episodes on IMDB. If you haven't looked at guest star lists on IMDB (for future episodes), you probably want to avoid this one, too.

And Smapti -- I've been thinking kind of the same thing... Although the latter part of that would be stretching, as a plot device, so I hope they don't do it.

[Monstre]

Are you kidding? The women always go to the bathroom and phone their terrorist masters.
Yeah, but they're going to the bathroom alone, so that should raise suspicions right there...

[Monstre]

Hey, was the president actually on the ground this episode? 'cos that was the most office-like plane interior I've ever seen. Venetian blinds, even.

Yeah, I noticed the blinds, too -- although they showed the shot of the plane still in the air, before switching to the inside where he was meeting. So I think he's still flying.

I'm starting to think that maybe there will be an attack on the Prez after he's on the ground (rather than trying to shoot down his plane). Marwan did say "He's on a tight schedule", in the same episode that SecDef said, "Have the prez fly around a while longer, to be on the safe side". So perhaps Prez is scheduled for some sort of meeting later on, and perhaps his actual landing will be delayed, is all. Maybe an attack on him is scheduled to take place once he's meeting with whoever, taking out numerous important govt. targets at once.

[RikWriter]

Yeah, I noticed the blinds, too -- although they showed the shot of the plane still in the air, before switching to the inside where he was meeting. So I think he's still flying.

I'm starting to think that maybe there will be an attack on the Prez after he's on the ground (rather than trying to shoot down his plane). Marwan did say "He's on a tight schedule", in the same episode that SecDef said, "Have the prez fly around a while longer, to be on the safe side". So perhaps Prez is scheduled for some sort of meeting later on, and perhaps his actual landing will be delayed, is all. Maybe an attack on him is scheduled to take place once he's meeting with whoever, taking out numerous important govt. targets at once.


That would make a lot of sense, given the info I put in the spoiler box. The only question I have, given that idea, is: which person inside the government is aiding all this? Because there is no way Marwan got this info on his own, not even with his contacts at the defense contractor. (Note, this is not from spoiler info, it's just my own opinion.)

[Monstre]

That would make a lot of sense, given the info I put in the spoiler box. The only question I have, given that idea, is: which person inside the government is aiding all this?
Lynn Kresge!!!

Motive? Maybe Pres. Keeler has hired Mike Novick onto his staff?





Ah... Poor Ensign Ro... wish they'd told us what happened to her after the stairwell incident.

[carnivorousplant]

Lynn Kresge!!!
Poor Ensign Ro... wish they'd told us what happened to her after the stairwell incident.

Say what? I was disapointed that the actress didn't do Deep Space Nine.

[BobT]

I will speculate, but I have to think the writers are leaning toward making Heller the bad guy. Why else would they hire a relatively famous actor for the part?

Or the other theory is that the President ordered these attacks himself so he would have an excuse to impose martial law.

I'm not in love with the second theory however.

[Oslo Ostragoth]

Unlikely given that the mole AF impersonator is trying to steal a Stealth bomber.

I haven't reviewed my tape, but it looked to me like Air Force Impostor Guy was looking at a T38/F5 - which would probably be a typical Air Force One escort plane.

[BobT]

A B-2 is 69 feet long, 17 feet high and has a wingspan of 172 feet.
And it has 4 engines.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/b2.html

[Monstre]

Say what? I was disapointed that the actress didn't do Deep Space Nine.
Yeah -- she would have been good in that.

But last I recall seeing Lynn Kresge's character was being loaded into the ambulance. I don't think we ever learned her fate?

[Marley23]

I will speculate, but I have to think the writers are leaning toward making Heller the bad guy. Why else would they hire a relatively famous actor for the part?
He did play a major role in the first what, eight episodes?

[c_goat]

I also think Heller will eventually be revealed as a bad guy.

1) They never found out how the terrorists knew where to kidnap him. I'm assuming his son was a dead end for that.

2) "President is on a tight schedule", Heller is the one giving him advice on how long to stay in the air.

3) He was using his cell phone at CTU, to talk to the prez, hiding from view in CTU mole fashion.

4) When they rescued Heller, one of the terrorists had Audrey at gunpoint, but didn't shoot her, even though he knew he was about to be martyred (that's what they keep calling it, anyway). Probably because the plan was never to kill her, else they'd lose Heller's cooperation.

The whole kidnap was just a ploy to divert suspicion from Heller and make him a trusted advisor to the president for the rest of the day, so he could manipulate the prez to go somewhere specific. They wanted him to be rescued, which is why they put the worst people there and Jack was able to get in by himself.

[RikWriter]

I also think Heller will eventually be revealed as a bad guy.

1) They never found out how the terrorists knew where to kidnap him. I'm assuming his son was a dead end for that.

2) "President is on a tight schedule", Heller is the one giving him advice on how long to stay in the air.

3) He was using his cell phone at CTU, to talk to the prez, hiding from view in CTU mole fashion.

4) When they rescued Heller, one of the terrorists had Audrey at gunpoint, but didn't shoot her, even though he knew he was about to be martyred (that's what they keep calling it, anyway). Probably because the plan was never to kill her, else they'd lose Heller's cooperation.

The whole kidnap was just a ploy to divert suspicion from Heller and make him a trusted advisor to the president for the rest of the day, so he could manipulate the prez to go somewhere specific. They wanted him to be rescued, which is why they put the worst people there and Jack was able to get in by himself.

That whole theory is incredibly unlikely for two main reasons:
1)Heller killed some of the terrorists and they tried to kill him during the gunfight at the end.
2)Heller attempted to kill himself while in custody and it was only blind chance that he didn't succeed.

[Monstre]

The whole kidnap was just a ploy to divert suspicion from Heller and make him a trusted advisor to the president for the rest of the day, so he could manipulate the prez to go somewhere specific.
What RikWriter said...

In addition, I thought Heller was already a trusted advisor to the president. Why would he be under any suspicion (and hence needing it diverted) in the first place?

I still think there's something we will find out later about why the terrorists knew about Heller's unscheduled meeting with Richard. The son was hiding something. I'm going to be pissed at the writers if they don't eventually tell us what it was.

[carnivorousplant]

The son was hiding something.

He muttered something like "know about my friends" in fromt of his Father.

[Monstre]

He muttered something like "know about my friends" in fromt of his Father.
Right -- I remember having the impression that Richard had told a friend, but didn't think it was important or any big deal. And he was keeping quiet to keep his friend (maybe a girl...?) out of it.

[Wolfian]

My DVR clipped the last half of this episode off. Can I get a synopsis?

[Monstre]

Wolfian, you can always get a recap a few days after the episode airs on the Fox website:

Episode Guide (http://www.fox.com/24/episodes/guide.html)

This episode's summary is up.