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Rune
04-11-2005, 05:30 AM
A) Clitoris.
Realdo Colombo (a relative of Christopher Columbos I think) in the 16th century claims to be first to have discovered it, but I’d recon one or two had know of ifs existence some times before that? – even though most men apparently still has only a somewhat foggy notion of what and where it is.

The word clitoris is a new greek/latin addition to European languages from the seventeen century. But surely there must have existed a word to describe this, to some essential, part of the human anatomy before that? Or what? Is it known what it was called before “clitoris” was used? Bablefish gives the same name in English, Dutch, German, Greek, Italian, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish and it’s called clitoris in Danish too. That the same word has managed to enter all the larger European languages seem to indicate there was no prior word. And the word “clitoris” is a new invention in Greece too – it wasn’t used in classical Greek.

Other words to describe bits of the female sex also seem surprisingly new inventions.

B) Toes.
The toes between the big toe and little toe, do they have individual names?

CBCD
04-11-2005, 05:36 AM
B) Toes.
The toes between the big toe and little toe, do they have individual names?

Yes. Their names are Meeny, Miney, and Moe. The big toe is affectionately known as Eeeny. The little toe is, of course, named 'Cried All the Way Home.'

:D

quiltguy154
04-11-2005, 06:38 AM
Don't forget the one who went to market. And the one who had roast beef. And the one who had none. And the one who stayed home. Sheesh! If we can't remember the classics, we'll just lose 'em.

Rune
04-11-2005, 06:41 AM
Don't forget the one who went to market. And the one who had roast beef. And the one who had none. And the one who stayed home. Sheesh! If we can't remember the classics, we'll just lose 'em.ok! Clitoris is that the one who went to market then?

BobLibDem
04-11-2005, 06:44 AM
Aren't they index toe, middle toe, ring toe, and pinky toe?

Muffin
04-11-2005, 06:56 AM
Since the world was created only about 6,000 years ago, there has not been enough time to invent further terms. ;)
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_date.htm"Dr. John Lightfoot, (1602 - 1675), an Anglican clergyman, rabbinical scholar, and Vice-Chancellor of the University of Cambridge had already arrived at an estimate of 4004-OCT-23 BCE, at 9 AM.

Mycroft Holmes
04-11-2005, 07:16 AM
You know, I was expecting a completely different OP. :D I can also tell you that in Portuguese (at least Brazilian Portuguese) the slang terms: "pinguelo" and "grelo" are used more frequently than "clitoris".

Beware of Doug
04-11-2005, 07:18 AM
Two great tastes that taste great together... :p

mittu
04-11-2005, 07:35 AM
I would be very surprised if 99% of the female population of the world weren't well aware of the clitoris long before Realdo Colombo claims to have found it, they just didn't feel the need to shout about it from the rooftops ;)

The Great Sun Jester
04-11-2005, 07:45 AM
A) The clitoris was discovered by its owner within a few years of its invention. Until recently women have refused to discuss it in any detail with men. This is because they knew that if we had a good understanding of its precise location and operation we wouldn't try as hard. Sneaky, eh?

B) Je Swee Sans Clue

don't ask
04-11-2005, 07:56 AM
Realdo Colombo discovered the clitoris but thought that everyone that had one was an Indian.

Mangetout
04-11-2005, 07:59 AM
Christopher Columbus set out to discover India by going the long way around, but on the way, he ran into America by mistake, then claimed to have discovered it (when in fact there were people right there who were already quite familiar with it).

A little known fact is that Realdo Columbo actually set out to discover the anus, by going the long way around... (fill in the blanks).


Pretty sure the toe in the middle is called the middle toe - if it isn't, we should start calling it that right away. The other two toes... do they need names? I mean, if you call them the second and fourth, there's the possibility that someone might start counting from the wrong end. It's probably easier to point and say 'that one there'.

mittu
04-11-2005, 08:06 AM
From looking at websites selling toerings it seems the convention is to name the toes: big toe, index toe, middle toe, fourth toe, pinkie (or little) toe.

Whilst the toering industry isn't known for creating naming standards I imagine if you stick to that system you won't have any problems describing a particular digit to someone over the phone.

Electronic Chaos
04-11-2005, 08:29 AM
Just a WAG here, but perhaps the relative freshness of the word "clitoris" is due to the fact that, prior to recent times (in at least Western culture), women weren't supposed to be sexual themselves. Just objects for sex by men.

It would at least be interesting to see someone with better research skills than I look this up.

squeegee
04-11-2005, 08:35 AM
Did Renaldus Columbus discover the clitoris in 1559? (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_212b.html)You haven't grasped the totality of this, Mark. Renaldus was born in 1516. Can you imagine a guy who proclaims to the world his discovery of the clitoris ... at age 43? Incidentally, he apparently died that same year. Too bad. They say his wife was about to broach the subject of foreplay.

aahala
04-11-2005, 09:35 AM
In the "Junior Mint" episode, Seinfeld could only remember his date's name rhymes with a female body part, and only the last scene does he shout "Dolores". The retelling of the story led to man getting fired and a lawsuit.

CalMeacham
04-11-2005, 09:48 AM
Heads and Shoulders
Clitoris and Toes (Clitoris and Toes!)

Head and Shoulder
Clitoris and Toes (Clitoris and Toes!)
.......

don't ask
04-11-2005, 09:55 AM
I'm not renewing.

Mangetout
04-11-2005, 09:57 AM
It would at least be interesting to see someone with better research skills than I look this up.You want someone to research the clitoris? Who would do such a job?

bonzer
04-11-2005, 11:21 AM
Is it known what it was called before “clitoris” was used?

From Havelock Ellis's Studies in the Psychology of Sex (http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/1/3/6/1/13614/13614-h/13614-h.htm) (1927):

Columbus was not its discoverer, for Fallopius speedily showed that Avicenna and Albucasis had referred to it. The Arabs appear to have been very familiar with it, and, from the various names they gave it, clearly understood the important part it plays in generating voluptuous emotion. But it was known in classic antiquity; the Greeks called it μύρτον, the myrtle-berry; Galen and Soranus called it νύμφη because it is covered as a bride is veiled, while the old Latin name was tentigo, from its power of entering into erection, and columella, the little pillar, from its shape. The modern term, which is Greek and refers to the sensitiveness of the part to voluptuous titillation, is said to have originated with Suidas and Pollux. It was mentioned, though not adopted, by Rufus.

Suidas and Pollux were Greek lexicographers of the 10th and 2nd centuries respectively, while Rufus of Ephesus was writing c. 100 CE, so the modern name is itself quite old.

squeegee
04-11-2005, 12:32 PM
You want someone to research the clitoris? Who would do such a job?
I've submitted my resume.

wisernow
04-11-2005, 12:35 PM
Did Renaldus Columbus discover the clitoris in 1559? (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_212b.html)


The above says that Freud was wrong in his statement that women have two types of orgasms - clitoral and vaginal.

But what I have understood all along is that it is TRUE. That some women have only clitoral orgasms, some only vaginal and some can manage both.

So what is the true dope on this?

Queen Tonya
04-11-2005, 01:31 PM
The real skinny is that there's only one type of orgasm, varying in intensity of course, but whether you reach orgasm via clitoral or vaginal stimulation, the resulting climax is the same.

Chronos
04-11-2005, 02:56 PM
Cecil on the G spot (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_069.html), with an update (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/011130.html). Is that what you mean by vaginal orgasms?

wisernow
04-11-2005, 04:17 PM
Cecil on the G spot (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_069.html), with an update (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/011130.html). Is that what you mean by vaginal orgasms?

G spot is related to vaginal orgasm in that it perhaps enhances the intensity of the orgasm.

By vaginal orgasm, I mean orgasm reached by the sole act of the penis moving in and out of the vagina, and not simultaneously supported by clitoral stimulation.

By clitoral orgasm I mean the orgasm achieved solely by stimulating the clitoris, orally or by other means, and excluding the act of the penis(or any other object) moving in and out of the vagina.

antechinus
04-11-2005, 05:52 PM
Bit of a family theme:

Christopher Columbus was the last person to discover America.

His cousin Realdo was the last person to discover the clitoris.

chaoticbear
04-11-2005, 06:41 PM
Anatomically, they are called phalanges 2, 3, 4 and 5, I believe. Or am I wrong? Hmm, paging QtM.

CurtC
04-11-2005, 11:16 PM
Don't forget the one who went to market.The one who went to market *is* the big toe. That's why he went to market, because he was fattened up.

Rune
04-12-2005, 04:01 AM
From Havelock Ellis's Studies in the Psychology of Sex (http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/1/3/6/1/13614/13614-h/13614-h.htm) (1927):

Suidas and Pollux were Greek lexicographers of the 10th and 2nd centuries respectively, while Rufus of Ephesus was writing c. 100 CE, so the modern name is itself quite old.Ok. Because The Online Etymology Dictionary (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=clitoris&searchmode=none) gives the origin of the word to 1615 (when it has been first trace to I suppose). And it still surprises me the way it has succeeded in muscling out any original terms in nearly all the European languages – and a few non-European too.

Apparently it was at some time in the middle ages called ”kilderfip” or merely ”fip” in Danish/Norwegian (meaning “tickle point/top” or merely “point/top”). But I think it sounds like slang or an amusing poetic term, like which I suppose there’s a lot today (though I don’t actually know any). So I don’t know.

Here is a page with translations to a lot of languages:
http://www.clitoressa.net/clitoris/default.htm

And it’s fairly interesting that the Icelandic term is ”snķpur”. But I don’t know if that’s a new, constructed, word, or an older retained or rediscovered word.

And apparently there’s a word for it in Sanskrit too (or rather: six). If there was a word in Sanskrit, oughtn’t there have been on in the other Indo-European languages too?

abby
04-12-2005, 05:09 AM
I would be very surprised if 99% of the female population of the world weren't well aware of the clitoris long before Realdo Colombo claims to have found it, they just didn't feel the need to shout about it from the rooftops ;)

It's funny you should say that. As someone who has seen an awful lot of clitori (450 or so), and further asked the owners to specifically identify them, I think I am in a position to comment on this.

Around half of the wimmin I sampled had no idea where the clitoris actually is, which I always find surprising (despite it's commonness).

My credentials: I shoot porn for a living, specialising in vaginal closeups.

Of course, the obvious comeback is that all porn models are so dumb they would not know their arse from their elbow anyway (this is not the case in my experience, but it's certainly commonly assumed). The counter argument is that at least porn models are more likely to to be in tune with their bodies... or so you'd think.

All the models I have shot are 18 to 26ish, so that's probably more telling: the older you are, the more likely you are to know whcih way is up, I guess (tho I have not noticed a correlation between age and ID abilities).

abby

chaoticbear
04-12-2005, 11:40 AM
It's funny you should say that. As someone who has seen an awful lot of clitori (450 or so), and further asked the owners to specifically identify them, I think I am in a position to comment on this.

Around half of the wimmin I sampled had no idea where the clitoris actually is, which I always find surprising (despite it's commonness).

My credentials: I shoot porn for a living, specialising in vaginal closeups.

Of course, the obvious comeback is that all porn models are so dumb they would not know their arse from their elbow anyway (this is not the case in my experience, but it's certainly commonly assumed). The counter argument is that at least porn models are more likely to to be in tune with their bodies... or so you'd think.

All the models I have shot are 18 to 26ish, so that's probably more telling: the older you are, the more likely you are to know whcih way is up, I guess (tho I have not noticed a correlation between age and ID abilities).

abby

That's odd, given that this gay man can id the clitoris, and I don't even have one or interest in one.

jesuslynch
04-12-2005, 02:47 PM
Was Realdo Colombo a Lt. with LAPD?

Chronos
04-12-2005, 04:56 PM
Of course, the obvious comeback is that all porn models are so dumb they would not know their arse from their elbow anyway (this is not the case in my experience, but it's certainly commonly assumed). The counter argument is that at least porn models are more likely to to be in tune with their bodies... or so you'd think.So do you ever have to deal with models trying to stick a dildo in their elbow? ;)

And wisernow, I would agree with your definitions of vaginal and clitoral orgasms, but how common is it to be able to achieve an orgasm purely vaginally without stimulation of the G spot? I was under the impression that part of the reason so many women never experience orgasm was that many men (and perhaps women as well) mistakenly think that the old in-and-out is or should be sufficient.

kimera
04-12-2005, 06:49 PM
And wisernow, I would agree with your definitions of vaginal and clitoral orgasms, but how common is it to be able to achieve an orgasm purely vaginally without stimulation of the G spot? I was under the impression that part of the reason so many women never experience orgasm was that many men (and perhaps women as well) mistakenly think that the old in-and-out is or should be sufficient.

About 40% of women can reach orgasm through vaginal (g-spot) stimulation alone. It is hard to know the actual potential because most women in our culture are kept in the dark about their own sexuality. Presumably, the actually amount is higher. An unknown percentage can reach orgasm through other means besides g-spot and clitoral stimulation. As a woman ages, the more and more likely it becomes that she can achieve other means of orgasm besides clitoral stimulation. And it's not just the in-and-out motion which stimulates orgasm for most women who can have vaginal orgasms - the best way to get them is to have a male partner who has a slightly upturned penis, since the spot where they are most easily achieved is on the upper wall, not towards the end.

Technically, vaginal orgasms and clitoral orgasms are the exact same thing, since everything leads back to the clitoris. Some women just have their clitorii (?) positioned in such a way that they have nerve endings inside the vagina and internal sex can stimulate these.

Chronos
04-12-2005, 11:11 PM
According to bibliophage, the plural of "clitoris" is "clitorides". Most singulars which end in -us are converted to -i in the plural, but not any other Latin terms. Singulars ending in -um turn into -a, singulars ending in -a become -ae, and most other Latin words end in -es in the plural (though as in the case of clitoris, some other unexpected letters may sneak in there or change as well in this case).

Sublight
04-13-2005, 01:21 AM
I'm not renewing.
Well, don't let the door hit your clitoris on the way out.

Anyway, I've just made a discovery of my own. After digging, probing and hunting deep inside the folds of my Japenese-English dictionary, I've found the word inkaku for "clitoris" which uses one kanji that means "negative" or "shadow" with another that means "core" or "nucleus". Make of that what you will. The English name is far more commonly used, though.

umop ap!sdn
04-13-2005, 03:20 AM
If there was a word in Sanskrit, oughtn?t there have been on in the other Indo-European languages too?
Most of the Sanskrit words listed are longer than most IE roots, so they were probably constructed from 2 or more descriptive words and may have been unique to Sanskrit.

According to bibliophage, the plural of "clitoris" is "clitorides". ...some other unexpected letters may sneak in there or change as well...
Makes sense given how Latin in many ways resembles Greek; in ancient Greek, if a third declension noun had a stem in delta, the nominative singular sigma ending would cause it to contract to just the sigma whereas the plural epsilon-sigma ending would not. So by analogy, assuming the similarity carries over, the stem of clitoris must be clitorid- with a contraction in the nominative resulting in the removal of the d.

Did I unwittingly make a pun or two in that last paragraph?

Cartooniverse
04-13-2005, 05:52 AM
About 40% of women can reach orgasm through vaginal (g-spot) stimulation alone. It is hard to know the actual potential because most women in our culture are kept in the dark about their own sexuality.

I would offer that it may well be difficult to stimulate the vagina without stimulating either the external meatus of the clitoris or the subcutaneous bundles of nerves that travel down and back from the clitoris( or, up and back- all depending on whether or not the person in question is hanging upside down ;) ) , into and through the much-adored G-Spot and farther back along the upper vaginal wall. Therefore, it would be a complex matter to isolate said stimulii. However, I am a Doper of much complexity. I'll give it a go and report back. :D


<< snip >> everything leads back to the clitoris. <</snip>>

Sig line !


Cartooniverse

umop ap!sdn
04-13-2005, 11:46 AM
Forgot to add: a lot of IE roots got derived to words that have related but different meanings. Also forgot that bonzer's cite says it is a Greek word, so that'd make it a 3rd declension delta stem noun after all. :smack:

*checks the timestamp of my last post, winces*

Johanna
04-13-2005, 12:30 PM
Anyway, I've just made a discovery of my own. After digging, probing and hunting deep inside the folds of my Japenese-English dictionary,LOL, good one. LOLI've found the word inkaku for "clitoris" which uses one kanji that means "negative" or "shadow" with another that means "core" or "nucleus". Make of that what you will.The first kanji is the Chinese character for yin, as in our old friends Yin-and-Yang. In this compound, it refers to the essence of femininity.

So inkaku means 'feminine nucleus' or 'feminine core', which is a truly superb way of putting it. Dōmo arigato gozaimasu, thank you, people of Japan. :cool:

The word clitoris as used nowadays is a neologism, dating back only to Fallopio in the 16th century. Fallopio cited Avicenna and the Arabic word he used for the clitoris, bazrah (spelled "bathara" in Fallopio's transcription). However, it seems Fallopio misunderstood Avicenna. Fallopio described what we today know as the clitoris: "It can sometimes reach a growth so remarkable in some women that they can have coitus together, like men fornicating. This part is still called by the Greeks the clitoris... this part corresponds to the male penis..." However, Avicenna (Abū ‘Alī al-Husayn Ibn Sīnā, 10th century) had actually been describing the labia. Galen, on whose work Avicenna's was based in part, had used the Greek word klitoris for the labia, comparing it to an inferior copy of the penis turned inside out (for the male body is the true human form, and the female only a corrupted imitation, according to these venerable old male chauvinist pigs). Galen was describing the labia. And he was wrong, the old swine. The labia are homologous with the scrotum. The clitoris is of course homologous with the penis, as Fallopio noted.

Cite: Jane Mills, Womanwords: A Dictionary of Words about Women (New York: Free Press, 1989), p. 48-51.

In modern Arabic dictionaries, the word bazrah is translated 'clitoris', not labia. It seems the meaning of the Arabic word has shifted along with the Greek word.

In Persian and Turkish, the clitoris is dilak, meaning 'little tongue' (a composite word made from the Turkish word dil 'tongue' and the Persian diminutive suffix -k). In Uzbek, the meaning has apparently shifted, so that the Uzbek equivalent tiloq means 'vagina', at least according to Karl Krippes in his Uzbek-English Dictionary. But he's a man, and it's unlikely he would have asked an Uzbek woman about this directly on any of his trips to Tashkent, so he probably got it from other men. Based on men's hapless fumblings through the ages at trying to understand women's vulvas, I don't consider this a reliable source. I will have to travel to Tashkent to ascertain for myself if I'm ever to master the Uzbek language when it comes to women.

In the conlang I invented, Mömö, the name for the clitoris is wundanļ kümi, literally 'the kümi of the vulva'. The word kümi is useful for various body parts, thus earlobe is khulanļ kümi (the kümi of the ear), uvula is korochnļ kümi (the kümi of the throat), and nipple is nemjöni kümi (the kümi of the breast). But I have to admit the Japanese name for it is the best ever. Banzai inkaku!

Darwin's Finch
04-13-2005, 02:39 PM
Anatomically, they are called phalanges 2, 3, 4 and 5, I believe. Or am I wrong? Hmm, paging QtM.

They're actually called digits II - V. Phalanges are the individual bones which make up each digit (this applies to both fingers and toes).

The big toe is the only toe that (as far as I have been able to determine) has an actual name: the hallux (similarly, the thumb is the pollux, while, like the non-big toes, the other fingers have more prosaic names).

Rune
04-14-2005, 04:52 AM
They're actually called digits II - V. Phalanges are the individual bones which make up each digit (this applies to both fingers and toes).

The big toe is the only toe that (as far as I have been able to determine) has an actual name: the hallux (similarly, the thumb is the pollux, while, like the non-big toes, the other fingers have more prosaic names).Speaking of Darwin.

I once read someone saying that all the toes except the big toe were evolutionary left overs without any functional purpose and likely to be gone from the human race within a short number of hundred thousands of years. Come to think of it, some people think the clitoris is likewise without evolutionary purpose. That might explain why they have such little place in our mind that they don’t/didn’t even merit a name. At least the toes, it still puzzles me the clitoris wasn’t given a name, or how the new name could replace all the older ones.

chaoticbear
04-14-2005, 07:28 AM
They're actually called digits II - V. Phalanges are the individual bones which make up each digit (this applies to both fingers and toes).

The big toe is the only toe that (as far as I have been able to determine) has an actual name: the hallux (similarly, the thumb is the pollux, while, like the non-big toes, the other fingers have more prosaic names).

Well, thanks. But they didn't ask about the big toe, or I would have mentioned hallux.

;)

Jenaroph
04-14-2005, 08:02 AM
Clitoris is that the one who went to market then?
Only in the red light district ;)

Chronos
04-14-2005, 03:37 PM
I once read someone saying that all the toes except the big toe were evolutionary left overs without any functional purpose and likely to be gone from the human race within a short number of hundred thousands of years. Come to think of it, some people think the clitoris is likewise without evolutionary purpose.Toes, possibly, but I would doubt it. A person with fewer toes might be considered somewhat freakish, and therefore have a harder time finding mates, which would translate into an evolutionary advantage to keeping the standard number of toes.

But the clitoris absolutely, without a doubt serves a strong evolutionary purpose. A woman without a clitoris, or with a less-developed one, would find sex less pleasureable than would a normally-endowed woman. Such a declitified woman would therefore be inclined to have sex less frequently, and would therefore tend to have fewer offspring, so the declitification trait would therefore be expected to be surpressed in subsequent generations. If anything, evolution would be expected to lead to more sensitive clitorides or other erogenous structures.

As for why the noble clitoris has gone for such long stretches of time without a name, my guess would be that it's because we don't need to talk about it much. Of the times when it is necessary, methods other than words could be used: "Oh, that feels so good! I like it when you tickle me right there!". Most frequently, when one is discussing the clitoris, it's with an audience of one, and without any clothing getting in the way of the convenient visual aids

Johanna
04-14-2005, 08:57 PM
When the speakers of Mömö use just the unmarked word "kümi" without specifying the body part it goes with, it seems they generally mean the breast-nipples. So calling the clitoris the "nipple of the vulva" is kind of cute, but not as profoundly meaningful as "feminine core."

Feminine core! What an idea for a musical subgenre of hardbanging-guitar girl-groups. Something to take the place of "Riot Grrl." But with more eyeshadow and fishnets.

I didn't have the Uzbek-English Dictionary by Karl Krippes with me when I was posting, so I had to go and look up the words again. In fairness to Krippes, I had it a little wrong. According to Krippes, diloq means 'vagina' and tilak means 'clitoris'.

The two words are variants of the same Turkish-Persian word I etymologized above. The two variant forms might be explained by the nature of modern Uzbek, which is a blend of Chaghataic Turkic with some elements from the Qypchaq and Oghuz branches of Turkic. The form diloq with an initial d- instead of t- is characteristic of Oghuz Turkic. For example, Turkish (Oghuz) uses the word dil for 'tongue', while Uyghur (Chaghataic) and Kazakh (Qypchaq) say til.

Krippes cited several Russian-Uzbek dictionaries he drew upon for his data. However, from what I've seen, Soviet dictionaries are extremely prudish about including words about sex and genitalia, especially women's. I wonder if Krippes got diloq and tilak directly from Uzbek informants. If so, how exact. More likely, an Uzbek confronted by an inquisitive Westerner (especially a blunt German like Krippes), might just blush at the word, gesture "down there," and mumble something embarrassed... "Ayollarning... bilasiz... u narsa." (Women's... you know... that thing.) Under these circumstances, one has to question how accurate Krippes's data could be. Unless he was married to an Uzbek woman; I don't know if he is.

There was a web site with the rants of a crazy American who had once been married to a Khowar woman in the tribal mountains of northern Pakistan. He put his Khowari-English Dictionary on the web. It was replete with words for women's intimate anatomy. His wife was kidnapped by Islamic fundamentalist tribesmen, however, and he never got her back. He made a web site to complain about this. I don't know if it's still up. For me, the story underlines the importance of a lexicographer either being a woman or being intimately involved with a woman who speaks the other language.

Johanna
04-19-2005, 02:15 AM
I added nengeshi gödizhik (feminine nucleus) to the Mömö dictionary as a new synonym for clitoris, in homage to the Japanese term inkaku. A loan-translation.

The word clitoris was omitted from my Chinese-English dictionary, but the character yin (same as the Japanese kanji in) has one of its meanings listed as: "Private parts (esp. of the female)." In Chinese, the kaku kanji meaning 'nucleus' is he.

However, I found online that the Chinese term for clitoris is yindi (http://www.zgxl.net/sljk/imgbody/yindi.htm) — the second character di literally means 'base of a fruit'.

I also came up with a new use for the word kümi: a navel "outie" is called küjjini kümi. (While "innies" are simply called küjji, navel.)

Marley23
04-19-2005, 02:48 AM
Until recently women have refused to discuss it in any detail with men. This is because they knew that if we had a good understanding of its precise location and operation we wouldn't try as hard. Sneaky, eh?
That would cross the line at the border of "Sneaky" and go far into "Stupid" territory. ;)

Doobieous
04-19-2005, 09:49 PM
I added nengeshi gödizhik (feminine nucleus) to the Mömö dictionary as a new synonym for clitoris, in homage to the Japanese term inkaku. A loan-translation.

The word clitoris was omitted from my Chinese-English dictionary, but the character yin (same as the Japanese kanji in) has one of its meanings listed as: "Private parts (esp. of the female)." In Chinese, the kaku kanji meaning 'nucleus' is he.

However, I found online that the Chinese term for clitoris is yindi (http://www.zgxl.net/sljk/imgbody/yindi.htm) — the second character di literally means 'base of a fruit'.

I also came up with a new use for the word kümi: a navel "outie" is called küjjini kümi. (While "innies" are simply called küjji, navel.)


Actually, according to Zhongwen it is "yinhe", for penis Zhongwen gives "yinjing". Both using the same character.

In both cases "yin" means just "genitals" (most likely), with "he" meaning kernel, pit, core", and "jing" meaning "stem, stalk". But there's also the other meaning of "secret, hidden", which is also plausible, and perhaps is a euphemism for both the clitoris (hidden kernel/pit) and the penis (hidden stem, stalk) .

Johanna
04-20-2005, 08:42 AM
That's funny, I googled using "yinhe" but didn't find clitoris; I did find "yindi" online (once you filter out the many hits for the Australian Aboriginal band Yothu Yindi. Hmm, I wonder if they ever toured China...)