How DO you pronounce 'debacle'?

[KarlGauss]

According to MW (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=debacle&x=9&y=24), there are four variants for its pronounciation.

IMO, the fourth possibility given by MW may be a "we throw in the towel, we give up, if that's the way people are pronouncing it nowadays, so be it" variant. I have heard people use this variant, but always assumed they had only seen the word in print, and never heard it spoken aloud. Hence, they pronounced it based on the way it looks like it should sound.

I am more interested in determining which, if any, of the first three possibilities is "correct". I can't honestly say that I've ever heard any of them used.

I had always believed, apprently in error, that the "correct" pronounciation was more along the line of "day-BOCK(L)" with the accent on the 2nd syllable, a long 'A' sound in the first syllable (and with only a hint of an "L" sound at the end).

Any comments?

[squeegee]

Hmmm, I've heard "DE buh kul, and De BOCK(l). Never "day-BOCK(L)"

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I've mostly heard the first pronunciation.

[rfgdxm]

Michigander here. deb-ah-cull. Or possibly deb-a-cull, with a short a. Nobody around these parts have ever thought it odd I uttered it such.

[Typically Sunday]

Deh-bah-cull is the way I've been saying it. Not that I say debacle that much.

[yabob]

I stress the second syllable, but find myself doing a different phoneme than the two presented for the first syllable - I'm saying duh-BOCK-ul. I don't know where I picked that up.

[Antivenin]

I also go for de-BOK-ul. Only because I have been privy to a few.

[Antivenin]

Hmmm, I've heard "DE buh kul, and De BOCK(l). Never "day-BOCK(L)"

De BOK ul has much more umph and penache (even if I am wrong, I am sticking to it)

What a deBACle! Someone bring me my wrap.

[roger thornhill]

Deh-bah-cull is the way I've been saying it. Not that I say debacle that much.I would think this is the most common(ly accepted) way to say the word, if you wish to anglicise it, as most educated would wish to, with two schwas bookending the stressed middle syllable: deh-BA-cehl (where 'eh' represents a schwa).

However, some British pronunciation dictionaries give day-BA-cehl, which I think is a bit of an ugly fudge between the French and the (British) English.

It's a good word to have in the arsenal, though. Can be interchanged with other foreign words, like fiasco (http://www.cainindia.org/news1/18-9-2-14.htm) (particularly nice word, fiasco (http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=20001207)), saga (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:Jryh_Fa7WCMJ:www.synergynet.org.hk/Governance%2520report/Governance%2520Review_summary_eng.doc++%22penny+stocks+saga+%22&hl=en) (mustn't forget those Icelanders) or indeed - and how can we forget it? - the word favoured by our Chinese overlords, incident (http://static.highbeam.com/x/xinhuachina/july312002/panelofinquiryonpennystocksincidentappointedinhkxi/index.html).

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[KarlGauss]

Thanks! Interesting mix.

I'm pretty sure I don't need to ask about treacle or manacle. :)

[David Simmons]

As one who was raised in Iowa and therefore is a possessor of the ideal American English accent (ahem) -

duh-BAH-cl.

[pulykamell]

As one who was raised in Iowa and therefore is a possessor of the ideal American English accent (ahem) -

duh-BAH-cl.

Ditto. Never heard it any other way.

[Ice Wolf]

Deh-BA-cul.

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

Thanks! Interesting mix.

I'm pretty sure I don't need to ask about treacle or manacle.
I've only ever heard tree-cul

[Excalibre]

/d@ `ba kl/ is the only pronunciation I've ever heard - de with a schwa sound, ba like a sheep, kl like in "spackle" or "suckle".


According to IMO, the fourth possibility given by MW may be a "we throw in the towel, we give up, if that's the way people are pronouncing it nowadays, so be it" variant. I have heard people use this variant, but always assumed they had only seen the word in print, and never heard it spoken aloud. Hence, they pronounced it based on the way it looks like it should sound.
The fourth pronunciation they give matches the Frenchified pronunciation you favor. I don't understand what your problem with it is. I agree that it sounds silly and pretentious, but that doesn't make it "wrong" so much as showoffy.

[KarlGauss]

/d@ `ba kl/ is the only pronunciation I've ever heard - de with a schwa sound, ba like a sheep, kl like in "spackle" or "suckle".



The fourth pronunciation they give matches the Frenchified pronunciation you favor. I don't understand what your problem with it is. I agree that it sounds silly and pretentious, but that doesn't make it "wrong" so much as showoffy.

I mixed it up! :smack: It was the third one that I felt was "pedestrian". Apologies.

[Excalibre]

I mixed it up! :smack: It was the third one that I felt was "pedestrian". Apologies.
It's just got the stress on a different syllable. It might not be common, but I don't see why you find it so offensive. Do I need to go into the problems with linguistic prescriptivism?

[Joe Mahma]

spectacle = spek-ta-kull, with the accent on the first syllable
debacle = debb-a-kull, with the accent on the first syllable

:)