let me call your attention to :

[kellibelli]

by Sly:What's that supposed to mean? You knob-slobbing, jiz-gulping, dangling-ball-sack! Are you doubting my intelligence or looks, fuck-face?
by Drainbead:Q. What's the difference between C#3 and a bucket of shit?
A. The bucket.

by RevTim:UNCLE-FUCKING COCKHOLE-LICKING TAMPON-SUCKING PROSTATE-TASTING SHITBAG ARMPITFUCKS!!!!! AND YOU WOULDN'T KNOW A GOOD CURSE IF IT CRAWLED UP YOUR ASSHOLE AND LAID EGGS, YOU PANTY-SNIFFING TOILET-LICKING RHINO FELCHERS!!!!!
by Nickrz (moderator)Why you foul-mouthed baby-rapin' ball-busting penis-envying slack-jawed hatchet-faced sack of doorknobs, you wouldn't know a good blow job if it jumped up and bit you in the ass.

These are all courtesy of "I flame you all"

now from Lynn in her thread "ok, enough is enough"
Yes, this IS the BBQ Pit. However, some folks have been taking it way too far, particularly in regards to vulgarity and personal attacks, particularly to innocent third parties. From now on, if a post goes over the line, I delete or modify it. And I'm the one who draws the line.

now....my question, is do the "RULES" I keep seeing referred to in different threads apply to the moderators and all the members, or just to Contestant #3
CDtexthaven (administrator) saysI dunno, I guess I always thought there was a difference between "flaming" and simply "cursing out."

I see, for C#3 to "curse out", that is bad, but for the others...no problem?
Go read the "I flame you all" thread (which I personally loved) and I defy you to find ANY purpose to it other than just to "curse out"...
Again I ask ...Rules apply to all?
I am waiting.

[kellibelli]

still waiting

[BunnyGirl]

Vedddddy interesting.

[kellibelli]

thank you for posting b.g.
I think I may have a point dont you?

[kellibelli]

Hmmm. . . I guess you missed the difference between "vulgarity directed toward someone with the obvious intention of causing anger or embarrassment" and "vulgarity not really directed at anyone and intended to get a laugh out of everyone, including the person to whom it is ostensibly directed."
No, I get the difference...bucket of shit and C#3...that is directed at someone.
and I dont remember that part of the rulse that I keep seeing quoted that says that funny obscenity is ok, but annoying obcenity is not...who gets to decide what is funny, and what is annoying...You? Me?..Lynn?


Personally, I don't care whether the moderators allow unlimited profanity and attacks or if they pull the reins way in and say that "damn" is over the line.
Me neither...I love the vulgar stuff, the piont I am trying to make is the inconsistency between the moderators pets, and the others.
But please tell me you're not dense enough to have missed the difference between the "flames" in the "I flame you all!" thread and the attacks in other threads.
of course I can tell the difference, but I will now refer you to tennhippie's thread:
"offending without profanity"
If you are there with your families, I will get up on the table and sodomize a blow-up doll that looks like Jesus.
Now, I might be mistaken here...(I really might) but you all frown upon 'trolls' isnt a troll someone who purposely pisses people off for fun? I may have misunderstood the definition..but although I find the above quote to be funny, adam wont.
isnt that what the 'powers that be' are shitting all over C#3 for...pissing people off, offending people..
Clear this up for me because I feel like I missed an episode of a soap opera, and I cant catch up.

[okatym]

Quote by Kelli:
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Now, I might be mistaken here...(I really might) but you all frown upon 'trolls' isnt a troll someone who purposely pisses people off for fun? I may have misunderstood the definition..but although I find the above quote to be funny, adam wont.
isnt that what the 'powers that be' are shitting all over C#3 for...pissing people off, offending people..
Clear this up for me because I feel like I missed an episode of a soap opera, and I cant catch up.
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The explanation is simply this: It is a universally accepted fact that you are free to offend Conservatives and/or Christians and the things they value. Also, you can attack anyone who calls you on it. Few people will, though, so they are easy targets.
Any defense against these attacks will be considered offensive and attacked.
Is that clear? Okay,I'm ready....attack me.

[Stoid]

The "flame you all" thread was a joke, you know. You do know that, right?

I'm pretty sure Lynn does, too.



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He who laughs last thinks slowest.

[kellibelli]

I'm sorry, you sort of lost me.
Should I agree with you, or did you insult me?

[VegForLife]

who gets to decide what is funny, and what is annoying...You? Me?..Lynn?

Lynn, of course. She's the moderator. That's why she gets paid the big bucks.

Now, I might be mistaken here...(I really might) but you all frown upon 'trolls' isnt a troll someone who purposely pisses people off for fun?

Basically.

I may have misunderstood the definition..but although I find the above quote to be funny, adam wont.

Maybe not, but I thought it was fairly clear that the post was not intended to piss a particular person off, but instead was intended to poke fun at damn near everybody.

isnt that what the 'powers that be' are shitting all over C#3 for...pissing people off, offending people.

Specific people, yes. Big difference between that and poking fun at everyone, and then having a specific person take offense.

But whatever. I don't see a double-standard, but then I don't really care if there is one.

Rich

[kellibelli]

my last post was for okatym

and yes, I know it was a joke, and it was funny, I liked it, I laughed, I made notes to refer to when insulting my ex and his parents...

that was not the point.
censorship and control of words and ideas was the point, and
The content was the point, and the fact that what you, or her, or him, or lynn for that matter finds offensive (from C#3 or others) might make me laugh...and vice versa.
Who gets to decide what has gone too far?
lynn says
From now on, if a post goes over the line, I delete or modify it. And I'm the one who draws the line.
The point is that she is only drawing a line where she feels like it, not in the same manner with everyone.

[okatym]

Kelli, I wanted to further your point. Sorry if it was too ambiguous.
Stoidela, Of course the "I flame you all" thread is a joke. It is funny.
The "offend without profanity" may be intended as a joke too, but it IS intended to offend.
The point is...it is okay to offend people under the guise of humor. But, what may be funny to you or to me isn't going to be well received by others. Therefore, they will be offended.
Therefore, who decides when it's okay to offend? The moderators? General consensus of the posters? It appears that if it will offend someone who is not well liked, it is good and/or funny. Those people are singled out for ridicule and/or censorship.
CIP: Kellibelli's maytag man question and the post about C#3. What was that about? I mean what did C#3 have to do with anything...it wasn't even funny....

[kellibelli]

EXACTLY!!!!Thank you!!!

That is EXACTLY what I mean...if C#3 did that ( throw a stupid insult out in a GQ thread for no reason) they would delete it or jump all over him.
That is my point in a nutshell..the poster in the maytag man thread thought it was funny, I did not, and GQ is not the place for it anyway...
Is there a moderator/dictator anywhere who can PLEASE explain this to me?
It would appear to us that only the posters you dont like have to follow ANY rules at all.

[C K Dexter Haven]

Each forum is under its own moderator with its own standards. All of the quotes you gave would have been deleted or edited from either the MAILBAG or the COLUMN forum, and probably from GENERAL QUESTIONS and GREAT DEBATES. Lynn has a more delicate balance, she's dealing with a forum that was set up deliberately to allow insults and flaming.

BTW, kelli, mostly us moderators are human beans. We are not online 24 hours a day. It is unreasonable of you to post this topic, and then comment (an hour later) that you are "still waiting" for a reply. You'll get your reply, I'm sure, when Lynn signs on and gets around to reading this. Patience, please.

[kellibelli]

actually I pictured you moderators slumped over the keyboard 24-7, chain smoking and gulping pepsi...
my mistake.

the "still waiting" was for anyone, not just the moderators.

I REALLY hate to leave when it is getting good, but my day is over, I'll be back at 6:30 am (board time)...
and CDtexthaven...you never mentioned the slam made for no reason in the GQ thread about the maytag man.

[According to Pliny]

:::Papa passes the ammo to Kellibelli:::

http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001946.html

A mod takes a shot at Connie on a totally unrelated thread.

[TubaDiva]

Are you referring to Nick's joke?

Because that's all that it was, a joke.

Not everything we do here is meant to be wisdom of the ages; sometimes you just got to let fly with a little zinger.

And mostly it's no harm, no foul.

Some members of this community would prefer to see moderators and administrators as nameless faceless beings that never show themselves or express feelings, personal or otherwise, but that's not real and that's not what happens around here.

We care about what goes on here, we like the community we work with and enjoy the topics of discussion . . . mostly . . . and we do our work with a lot of determination and good will . . . and sometimes a bit of humor.

That's not a bad thing.

(And besides, Cecil's tongue is far sharper. Y'all are getting off easy. :))

your humble TubaDiva/SDStaffDiv
for the Straight Dope
Oversensitive around here much?

[pricciar]

So when Contestant 3 makes "jokes" on the BBQ Pit, they are somehow much worse? I don't get it.
Connie got his comments in the bbq pit deleted. Perhaps, because it was laced with profanity, or because it was insults directed towards members that had nothing to do with the topic.
But, as these posts point out, other people are able to do the same exact thing without a word against.
Why are people who defend Contestant 3 oversensitve, while people who complain about him somehow right?
I don't think anyone feels that moderators can't express feelings. I have never read anyone say that. I have read opinions that there should be a moderator account that takes care of moderation and keeps things in shape. While the person doing the moderating can have their own account to express opinons.That might help keep personalities out of moderation debates, then again it might not. I am just pointing out that I have never read anyone say that they want moderators to be unable to express themselves.


pat

[Diane]

Anyone else getting deja vu of Bluiicool and his multiple personalities that kept popping up under different screen names to defend his honor?

Maybe it's just me, I dunno.

[pricciar]

ouch..
No, I am me. I was just expressing my opinion. For whatever its worth.

pat

[Contestant #3]

I can assure you that these members that have posted to point out inconsistancies or to defend me are NOT me under a different handle.

I have no other SDMB handles and I did not offer any compensation to these people in return for their comments.

Further, I did not ASK any of them to post these comments, nor do I know any of these people.

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Contestant #3

[JillGat]

[[actually I pictured you moderators slumped over the keyboard 24-7, chain smoking
and gulping pepsi... my mistake.]]

Excuse me? I run five miles a day, and I don't smoke. And I drink Mexican beer; not Pepsi.
Jill

[jazzmine]

I am curious...why does everyone feel like this board has to be fair? It IS free, you ARE able to go somewhere else. If you hate the moderators, leave. If you think life is SO fucking unfair here, leave.

No one ever seems to get that the moderators are people. Don't you all ever get mad at someone (let's just take C#3 ferinstance) and just let them have it? I actually have no opinion on whether Lynn was fair or not, because I don't think she has to be.

People say that we, the posters, pay the bills here. How? How many different advertisers do YOU guys see on this board? I see hardly any. I, for one, have never clicked on any advertising.

Why not just enjoy the threads? Why not just ignore the ones you don't like? Is it really too hard of a concept?

trisha

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He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice - Albert Einstein

[Contestant #3]

Does anyone besides me see the irony between the content of Jazmine's post and her sig line?

lol

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Contestant #3

[jazzmine]

Lovely Mr. C #3 :). I'm not sure I would call not getting upset by the way someone runs something they own marching in rank and file.

If someone runs their own grocery store in such a manner that upsets you, don't you just go to a different grocery store?

trisha

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He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice - Albert Einstein

[topolino]

Does anyone besides me see the irony between the content of Jazmine's post and her sig
line?


Not until you said something but I did see this...


Why not just ignore the ones you don't like? Is it really too hard of a concept?


...and I thought. Wow, I could say the exact same thing to her.

I think we have the right to say something if we see stuff that seems unjust. I wouldn't go so far as to say we have the right to sue The Straight Dope or anything like that but I think we have a right to try to make this a "better" place. Of course, my definition of "better" may not be the same as yours.

I've actually found a big inconsistency in this thread (not concerning Jazzmine) so far but I'm going to hold my tongue and see if someone else pounces.

[jazzmine]

topolino said:
...and I thought. Wow, I could say the exact same thing to her.

Point well taken. While I still believe what I believe, obviously it's true of everyone on this thread, or they wouldn't be saying it. So, I give on this one :).

But DO tell on the other inconsistency.

trisha

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He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice - Albert Einstein

[Byzantine]

I'm new here, I know, but one thing has really bothered me since I read it. To get the full scoop go to:
http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002012.html

this is General Questions, Lucid dreaming in case this doesn't post right.

I did write a small post to this since it was in GQ but in the Pit I think I can vent my spleen a bit more.

I feel that was just plain meanness on TubaDiva's part. As I pointed out in that thread; most of the questions, thoughts, MPSIMS here could be answered with a dive into a search engine. But there is something more meaningful and more immediate about "true life" responses. I don't profess to ‘know' anyone here but if someone tells me something worked for them I'm willing to give it the once over in my mind and perhaps try it. My thread on coprophagia springs to mind. I've researched this into the ground but got some great ideas from this board. I'm not lazy or stupid I just wanted some ‘real life' responses to this problem.

To be honest, what bothered me most was the tag line "your humble TubaDiva" when I didn't find the post humble at all. I found it mean-spirited at best and rude at worst. I'm not saying he/she is a bad person or should be removed. I'm just saying: That post was completely uncalled for.

I see questions out here that I know could be answered with a good search and if it's not something I'm into, I just don't post to it. To spend the time to run a search, bash the person for asking and then not post anything relevant just strikes me as pointless and mean. I guess I just don't understand why TubaDiva posted to it at all when this person had nothing relevant to add.

If you just want to post a little ribbing, a brief poke of fun, a joke, I understand that since I do it too. But to spend all that time just to bash someone for asking a question? Why? It has nothing to do with you being a moderator. I don't care if you are or not. But why post to something just to slam someone? If it was here, in the pit, okay, everything's fair game. But in GQ? No, I don't think that was right or fair.

As always, this is just IMHO. And after re-reading this thread maybe I have the wrong thread to post this to but I don't know where else to take this.




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The moon looks on many flowers, the flowers on but one moon.

[okatym]

I have read all of these posts over the past couple of months, but I've rarely said anything. Now, I can't resist applauding you, Kellibelli, for your observation of these glaring inconsistencies. It seems very PC to hate C#3, Arg, those nordic fellows, and a few others, but what would this place be without their notorious posts (whether or not they made sense)? As you've so clearly shown, the flames can go pretty high, but it seems that only the un-PC folks get singled out for editing...oops, oh yea, and melin. -But it's PC to want her back...right?
Can someone show me to the rules page for the people we like and the people we don't? Maybe a list of names would be good too. That way, we can see if each person is playing by the right set of rules and we can pick the list we want to be on.

[topolino]

I agree wholeheartedly. Drainbead's wasn't too terribly bad but the others are absolutely unacceptable especially if you take into consideration what Lynn said. I also believe, if you want the teeming millions to behave, the "leaders" (ie moderators) have to be held to the same rules. In fact, I believe they should be held to a higher standard.

[kellibelli]

thank you very much...I put a great deal of thought into this matter over the last...well since the whole melin thing, and I like C#3, and all the others, especially the jerks...this is fun!
I hate to see the singling out of C#3 and I always pull for the underdog...could be me next time.
I really hope this sets some of us to thinking...
Anyone else out there?

[kellibelli]

or a further example of this crap...go see my maytag man thread in GQ.

[Lynn Bodoni]

Despite what my husband will tell you, I am NOT online 24/7. When I am online, it's unlikely that I will be reading my forum at any given time. I usually try to read it at least once a day, sometimes more often. I might let it go 36 hours or so if I'm busy.

If ANYBODY has a question or problem with someone else's posts, then that person should contact me via email. That's the reason there's a hyperlink in my name. In extreme cases, you can try IM/AIM. Do not post it to the board. Posting it is simply an attempt to disrupt the board. I really doubt that you have problems with the posts, Kelli, I think that you just want to stir up trouble. Tough. Don't do it again.

"From now on, if a post goes over the line, I delete or modify it. And I'm the one who draws the line." Were the offensive posts made by others made BEFORE this statement, or afterwards?

I'm closing this thread.

Incidentally, I have removed about half a dozen or so posts that were directed at C3, and spoken to the members who crossed the line. Most of them said "yeah, I went too far, sorry" and have promised not to do it again. You folks don't see everything I do. And most of it's pretty boring, really.

Lynn/SDStaff Lynn
For the Straight Dope

[VegForLife]

I put a great deal of thought into this matter

Hmmm. . . I guess you missed the difference between "vulgarity directed toward someone with the obvious intention of causing anger or embarrassment" and "vulgarity not really directed at anyone and intended to get a laugh out of everyone, including the person to whom it is ostensibly directed."

Personally, I don't care whether the moderators allow unlimited profanity and attacks or if they pull the reins way in and say that "damn" is over the line. But please tell me you're not dense enough to have missed the difference between the "flames" in the "I flame you all!" thread and the attacks in other threads.

Rich