What is the WORST sports franchise of ALL TIME?

[theuglytruth]

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=33211

The above thread from the General Questions board got me thinking . . .what is the most pathetic, loser sports franchise of ALL time?

I'm not talking about a team that has a really bad season. I'm talking about a franchise that year after year, sucks. And sorry, a stray fluke playoff appeaance once every 30 years does not get them off the hook!

A broken clock is correct twice a day.

Here's a sampling of the truly cursed:

BASEBALL:

St. Louis Browns
Chicago Cubs

FOOTBALL:

St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals
New Orleans Saints

BASKETBALL:

San Diego/Los Angeles Clippers
New Jersey Nets
Cleveland Cavaliers
Dallas Mavericks

HOCKEY:

Hartford Whalers
California Seals/Cleveland Barons

Any more?

[poohpah chalupa]

Hockey: Tampa Bay Lightning
...besides the consistent mediocrity (I can't recall if they've ever made it to the playoffs, but sheeesh, every NHL team makes the playoffs eventually), they just flat out have the worst logo in all of professional sports (not including those which might be construed as racially-offensive)...looks like it was designed by a high school kid doodling in geometry class. Yuck.

[xizor]

Football -
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Seattle Seahawks
Detroit Lions

These 3 teams rise to mediocrity and people think 'wow, the _____ are hot this year.' No, the just don't suck as bad. A 9-7 record is barely above 50-50, it is not a great year for a team.

[hawthorne]

Australian football: St Kilda (the mighty saints)

104 seasons. 1 premiership. 26 wooden spoons.

sigh.

picmr

[PatrickM]

Add these futile teams:

Baseball: Kansas City A's, Washington Senators (both editions), Cleveland Indians (1955-1993)

Football: Cincinnati Bengals, Houston Oilers (RIP)

Basketball:
Cincinnati Royals/Kansas City-Omaha Kings/Sacramento Kings. This franchise hasn't won anything since it played in Rochester NY in the mid 50's.

[Poysyn]

CFL - The Stupid Bombers, I hate our team they suck so incredibly much, I can not describe. It's like they get inspired for a few mins, start winning, then forget how to play. YUCK!

[Myrr21]

Sports Illustrated recently named the LA Clippers the worst professional sports franchise ever, in any sport.

And it was a front-page article...

[Zion]

Baseball: Kansas City A's You mean the team that used to be located in Philadelphia, and is now in Oakland? The same team that has won 14 league pennants, and 9 World Series?

Detroit Lions You mean the team that ruled the mid-50's, winning 4 NFL titles? Just because the team is bad now, doesn't mean it always was. That's like saying the Celtics are the worst because they have sucked throughout the 90's.

Any team chosen in this list should be one that has never won any championships.

I'd add hockey's Vancouver Canucks, but they actually have had some decent teams, coming close to titles. Baseball's Texas Rangers could be considered also.

[JosephFinn]

Originally posted by picmr
Australian football: St Kilda (the mighty saints)

104 seasons. 1 premiership. 26 wooden spoons.

sigh.

picmr

What's a wooden spoon - the award for the worst record?

[Endora]

The Clippers. Ack.

[Gadarene]

The Clippers. Ohhhhh, the Clippers.

[Grendel69]

Clippers or Lightning...
The Clippers owner runs the team likes its a damn real estate business and the Lightning owners are really shady. They are purportedly mob members.

[Holy Avenger]

>New Orleans Saints

C'mon now. Jim Finks had that team poised for greatness. Since Jim Mora is wholly unable to win a playoff game in a league that does not feature a team from Birmingham the Saints beared the brunt of his conservative post-season play calling. He proved it was his shortcomings once again by snatching defeat from the Titans last year.

And I propose that the Saints would have continued their run had Jim Finks not freaking *died*. Finks was able to produce solid teams wherever he went, and was only stopped by the long, spidery hand of the grim reaper. Who gets four linebackers into the Pro Bowl at the same time? Finks was a small god. Bless his heart.

The Ravens haven't even MADE the playoffs. While I have come to grips with the fact that five solid seasons in 31 does not bode well for the Saints, they still have scoreboard over Baltimore.

I would also state that the Bengals will not win more than five games in a season for as long as Mike Brown is involved with the franchise. I know they went to two Super Bowls before he was involved years ago, but if he's going to alienate guys like Ambrose, Pickens and Dillon (and let the former two leave without compensation) and require all future picks to sign a clause stating that they can't criticize the organization then I suspect that they simply won't be able to lock up and/or keep any playmakers on the roster.

[hawthorne]

(JosephFinn)
What's a wooden spoon - the award for the worst record?
Never occurred to me that this might be a local term.

Bottom of the ladder. Cellar dwellers. The wooden spoon is the booby prize.

picmr

[iampunha]

The St. Louis Browns had their heyday. The Sacramento Kings have made the postseason the past two years.

How about the Winnipeg Jets? Or the Texas Rangers/Minnesota Twins/Washington Senators?

For basketball, how about the Washington Wizzers?

And for football, how about the Seattle Seahawks?

[plnnr]

To hear my beloved Washington Senators berated like this is so painful. I mean, how many other teams have had a Broadway play written about them?

[meek]

I exclude recent expansion teams.

Baseball - Cubs & Red Sox. - Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Hockey - Remember the "California Golden Seals"? - How about the Cleveland Barons and the K.C. Scouts?

The NHL's Colorado Rockies were pretty brutal as well.

FootballBengals - Poor Cincy fans. I am thinking of driving to Ohio to apply for a wide receiver's job this year. I think I've got a shot at it!

Basketball Clippers. Only choice here. Unless you count the Washington Generals, the team the Harlem Globetrotters beat every night.

World Soccer Team Canada. (Although recently improved, but play it on ice and we'll kick ass)

Golf Has Phil Mickelson (sp?) won a major yet?

Motorsports - The guy who drives the pace car. I dunno - I never watch it.

[meek]

Originally posted by iampunha
For basketball, how about the Washington Wizzers?


Wizzers? I'd hate to have courtside tix to see them!

[Dumbguy]

Another vote for the Clippers. I'm a Clipper fan, and they don't call them Donald Sterling's tax shelter for nothing.

[theuglytruth]

As for some of the franchises mentioned:

Tampa Bay Lightning. Yeah they are an expansion team, but boy, they did more to stink up the rink than the Rangers did from 1944-1954. They made the playoffs once I think, and that's it. Good choice. ADD.

Vancouver Canucks. No. Two Cup finals.

Winnepeg Blue Bombers. Maybe they suck now (I'm not up to date on my CFL) but I know they won some Grey Cups. No.

Rochester/Cincinatti Royals/Kansas City-Omaha/Kansas City/Sacremento Kings. Debatable. They made the playoffs the last two years, and weren't the Cininati Rotals a good team with Oscar Robertson?

Houston Oilers. No. Virutal playoff contender. They became the Super Bowl Tennessee Titans.

Cininatti Bengals. No. 2 Super Bowls. Chokers, yes. Cursed no.

Tampa Bay Bucs. N0. They were taken off the list in the 1997 season.

Seattle Seahawks. Good choice. They need to make the playoffs one or two more years and I will take them off the list. They certainly have sucked. ADD.

Detroit Lions. No. You are forgetting about the great Lions teams of the 50s.

St. Kilda. Sounds pretty bad. But they did win a title. If they go on, so do the Philadelphia Phillies, who were a hell of a team in the 50s, 70s and 80s. 26 carpets IS pretty bad. Need more info.

Kansas City A's. No. I'm counting the Philadelphia A's 4 Championships and the great Oakland team of the 70s. They might have sucked ass in KC, but not in other cities.

Washington Senators. Interesting choice. Didn't they win the series in 1922? But I do remember they were so bad they wrote "Damn Yankees". Hmmmm. Need more facts. This team later became the Minnesota Twins who won 2 World Series though. There was a second Senators team that lasted like 2 years, and became the Texas Rangers, who have contended, but not do squat. I say NO.

Cleveland Indians. World Series in the 50s and 90s. No.

St. Louis Browns "heyday". One World Series in 1944 during the WW2 years. They stay on the list, unless you want to link them to the Baltimore Orioles franchise. OK . . .I'll take them off, begrudgingly.

Washington Wizards. No. Used to be the Bullets who won 2 NBA titles.

Winnepeg Jets. No. Had a great WHA team in the mid 70s. They really sucked in the 80s but became the Phoenix Coyotes, who are OK.

Boston Red Sox. No. World Series appearence in 1976 and 86. Cursed, but not eternally pathetic.

[iampunha]

theuglytruth said:

"Washington Wizards. No. Used to be the Bullets who won 2 NBA titles."

I was only aware of one such championship, though I may be wrong. However, having once been good enough to win a championship doesn't unmake you shitty. Case in point: The San Diego Padres. Other than winning the NLCS a few years back I can't honestly think of a time they got to a world series or even advanced far in the playoffs. Can someone else?

I think it's too early yet to make any claim for a MLS or WNBA team, myself.

[PatrickM]

Hey Ugly,

If the criteria is "eternal" in each city in which a franchise played, then you'd better remove the NJ Nets from the list. They won 2 ABA titles with Dr. J. (in 1974 & '76).

You'd also better delete the St.Louis/Phoenix Cardinals. As the Chicago Cardinals they were NFL champs in the late 1940's.

You'd also better remove the Oakland Seals/California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons from the list. That franchise merged with the Minnesota North Stars, and became the 1999 Stanley Cup winning Dallas Stars, although I doubt many people in either Oakland, Cleveland or Minnesota cared.

Heck, even the Cubs won the World Series 90 some years ago. Does that make them any less pathetic now?

As for the Cincinnati/KC/Sacramento Kings, they never made the NBA finals, even with the Big O. Someguys in green shirts in Boston beat the crap out of them all the time.

[Odieman]

As a true Clippers fan I'm shocked that nobody's mentioned that they started in Buffalo as the Braves. Imagine that their record of futility stretches unbroken across THREE cities.

[Scribe]

Well, my beloved Vancouver Canucks are not complete losers, but they are very good at making you think "This will finally be the year..." only to collapse as the season proceeds.

Do any of you cheer for teams that have a tendency to do that (show promise that turns to poopie by the end of the season) ?

True, there were the two finals (the 1982 run, against big odds, is one of my fave sports memories), and the patch in the early 90s when they did well, but when hockey is the number one sport in town, expectations for the Canucks are always high.

[PatrickM]

[i]

Detroit Lions You mean the team that ruled the mid-50's, winning 4 NFL titles?

[/B]

Just a small correction. The Lions won 3 NFL titles in the 1950's, not 4, in 1953, 1954 and 1957. Saying the Lions ruled the NFL in that period is an exaggeration too, given that the Browns also won 3 titles (1950, 51 and 55) and played in 6 straight league championship games (1950-55).

As for additional nominees of futility, how about these:

Denver Nuggets - 32 seasons without a title.

St.Louis Blues - 32 seasons without a title with spectacular playoff chokes.

Montreal Expos - 32 seasons without a title, there only division championship during the strike year of 1981, and bound for Charlotte or DC or some such place.

[JosephFinn]

Originally posted by plnnr
To hear my beloved Washington Senators berated like this is so painful. I mean, how many other teams have had a Broadway play written about them?

But the whole point of "Damn Yankees" was that it took a deal with the devil to produce a winning season for the Senators.

[Montfort]

My beloved Philadelphia Phillies have lost more games in the history of professional sports than any other team or franchise, world-wide.

But, there's always 1980... :)

[divemaster]

Regarding the New Orleans Saints, I believe they are the only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game, yes?

[Zion]

I stand corrected PatrickM. Actually, I looked up that info in my almanac, and although the Lions did win 4 titles overall, they did not win them all in the 50's. The other title came in 1935.

Either way, they have no business on a "worst ever" list.

Do any of you cheer for teams that have a tendency to do that (show promise that turns to poopie by the end of the season) ? Yes, in fact, I do that with the Detroit Lions. But, hey, at least I'm not a Cubs/Red Sox fan. ;)

[Myrr21]

I would like to petition Baltimore as the official home of pathetic teams...

1) Orioles. yes, they've had their good years. But I lived 5 blocks from Memorial stadium the year that they lost 22 (23/24?) games in a row, from opeining day--a MLB record.

2) Ravens. not only did we steal the team in an underhand manner, we stole a pathetic losing team. Sure the Browns were once good, but not when we took em. And you know who we tried to get before that? The Tampa Bay Bucanners. Remember that this was a few years ago--before their winning seasons. At the time, they'd had 1 .500 season is something like 14 years. But we still wanted them.

I rest my case.

[MysterEcks]

smug said:

Hockey - How about the Cleveland Barons and the K.C. Scouts?

The NHL's Colorado Rockies were pretty brutal as well.

The Kansas City Scouts and the Colorado Rockies were the same franchise. They moved again...and are now known as the Stanley Cup Champion New Jersey Devils.

My nominee for the worst sports franchise would be the Pittsburgh Steelers prior to 1972. They were bad from the beginning--it took them 40 years to make the playoffs for the first time. I don't know if that's a record, but it's gotta be close.

[tracer]

How about the USFL?

[Kyla]

My beloved Philadelphia Phillies have lost more games in the history of professional sports than any other team or franchise, world-wide.

I find this hard to believe. The Phillies have lost more games than the Cubs?

[2sense]

I am shocked to hear my beloved team mentioned.
The Lions were once a proud franchise and certainly don't deserve the title of worst of all time. T
hey aren't even the worst franchise in football, let alone the lesser sports.

In the 50's the 2 best teams were Detroit and Cleveland. Both won 3 championships in the decade.
Cleveland had the better overall record for the decade but head to head the Lions owned the Browns:

1952 in Detroit: Lions win 17-6
1952 in Cleveland; Lions win 17-7 ( championship game )
1953 in Detroit: Lions win 17-16 ( championship game )
1954 in Cleveland: Lions win 14-10
1954 in Cleveland: Browns win 56-10 ( championship game )
1957 in Detroit: Lions win 20-7
1957 in Detroit: Lions win 59-14 ( championship game )
1958 in Cleveland: Lions win 30-10
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I think that it is incorrect to state that the Browns were the "Team of the 50's". Detroit was arguably superior but I think that it can best be described as a draw.

My vote for worst NFL franchise would be New Orleans. Having never won a playoff game is pretty embarrassing. While the Cardinals haven't been respectable vey often, I think that there history keeps them from the ultimate indignity. After all the Arizona Cardinals, formerly know as the Phoenix Cardinals, formerly know as the St. Louis Cardinals, formerly know as the Chicago Cardinals, formerly know as the Racine Cardinals, formerly know as the Normals, and formerly know as the Morgan Athletic Club were founded in 1899 and are the league's oldest club.
And yes they did win a championship in 1948.

[2sense]

I forgot to put in my vote for worst team overall.

I vote for the Washington Generals! :D

[DRY]

The Clippers.

Personally, I think it's splitting hairs to say "the Kansas City Athletics" because they later went on to do well in Oakland (and had previously done well in Philadelphia). If you were going to go this route, you might as well say the Seattle Pilots (one season, then they moved to Milwaukee) or the Cleveland Spiders.

As to the Detroit Lions, yeah, they haven't won in awhile, but they used to be one of the best teams in the league. The Bengals made a Super Bowl not too long ago, and the Bucs were pretty good last year and getting better.

I certainly can see an argument for the Lightning, but they haven't been in the NHL long.

The Clippers have no such excuse.

[theuglytruth]

More comments on teams mentioned as I wittle down my list:

SAN DIEGO PADRES: NO. 2 World Series appearances, 1985 v Detroit and 1998? v Yankees

NEW JERSEY NETS: 2 ABA titles in the 70s have been erased by extreme mediocrity. If the Nets were at least a competitve team once every few years, I'd take them off the list. The Nets are HORRIBLE. STAY

CARDINALS (NFL): The fact that they won their last title in 1940 is reason enough, but the fact that they went 30 years without making the playoffs solidifies their position of pathos. STAY

SEALS/BARONS: Kicking them off the list because half the team went on to be the Dallas Stars 15 years later is a stretch and a half. STAY

CUBS: See Cardinals, just go back to 1910 or so for their World Series win and no pennant for three centuries. STAY

ROCHESTER/CINCINNATTI ROYALS/OMAHA-KANSAS CITY/KANSAS CITY/SACREMENTO KINGS: Hmmmmmmm. The few playoff appearances in the 90s make me not to want to include them. But, boy have they sucked ass for decades. OK. I'll put them on until they make the NBA Finals.

DENVER NUGGETS- Good points, losers. ON

ST. LOUIS BLUES: Chokers, yes. Totally pathetic no.

MONTREAL EXPOS: YES! This is a horrible franchise. So bad they couldn't land a radio deal this year. No titles. No World Series. I went to see the Pos play the Cardinals last season with Mark McGuire in Montreal. There were 17,000 fans there. Pathetic. And the worse thing is, Washinton DC was ready to blow Bud Selig for this team but Major League Baseball sucked up to the Frenchies and a stadium deal was done.
We are in for more years of mediocrity in Montreal I am afraid.

Baltimore Orioles: No way. One bad losing streak cannot erase that great Brooks Robinson team and a 1984 WS.

BALTIMORE RAVENS: Used to be the BrownS. No.

WASHINGTON GENERALS: Games are fixed. No.

[kunilou]

For all the reasons 2sense defends the Chicago/St.Louis/Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, I have to vote for them. After all, this is an organization that, except for one shining moment in the late 40s, was NEVER good! They were doormats when the NFL was founded, they were doormats when the AAFC and AFL teams were absorbed into the league, they were doormats in three cities and they will always be doormats. They botch the draft and lose established players. They turn over coaches like they were trading cards. The enitre Bidwell family (father, son, and now grandkids)has proven themselves absolutely incapable of either running a professional sports franchise or getting out of the way and letting someone capable do it.

Unlike the Cubs, Mets, Saints, Clippers and a few other teams, the Cardinals were never lovingly bad, or respectably bad. They are just, year in and year out, mind-numbingly mediocre.

I think a century-long legacy of ineptitude should be enough to convince even the most skeptical among us, that the NFL's Cardinals are the rotten fish in the sushi bar of pro sports.

[TheThill]

My vote for the Cubs as the best worst team. Certainly the worst team with the best tradition, fan-base, etc.

There is no point in comparing new expansion teams that haven't had a chance to do anything yet. There we should have a separate category for the worst team name. In fact, what a good idea...

[divemaster]

Originally posted by kunilou
Unlike the Cubs, Mets, Saints, Clippers and a few other teams, the Cardinals were never lovingly bad, or respectably bad. They are just, year in and year out, mind-numbingly mediocre.

There's nothing lovable or respectable about the Saints. Remember when fans used to wear bags over their heads at the games? I also think they tried painting the seats of the Superdome in a pattern that tried to hide the fact that it was a graveyard during the games.

Also, by popular demand, TV markets in the entire northern half of the state would show the Cowboys games rather than the Saints (not that this Cowboy fan complained at the time).

[Weirddave]

Myrr,

I had heard that here in B-more, we had a problem with a large number of drug users, but I had never seen evidence of that until your last post. We do have good treatement programs here, you should look into one.


The O's are one of the most successful MLB franchises in history. The current ownership sucks, and I do hate Peter Angelos, but in spite of his moronic handeling of the team, the history is still there. And the 22 games was an AL record, not a MLB record.

DON'T YOU DARE CRITICIZE THE MIGHTY RAVENS!!!! It's true that they had a few bad years, but look for the playoffs in 2000. This franchise has NOTHING to do with the Browns( tho they were a very good team for many years). THE BROWNS are currently toasting marshmellows beside the flaming river in Cleveland. Art had enough class to leave that pathetic name where it belongs, in the mistake by the lake. As to how we got the team, what choice did we have? The NFL, headed by the Sun King and in collusion with Jack Bent Crook, made sure we wouldn't get one any other way. The Ravens are all Baltimore, baby, and true desendents of the proudest franchise in ANY sport, the dearly departed Colts. We are the best sports town in America, and if you don't like it, leave.



BTW, the Bucs are odds on favorites, along with the Foreskins, to goto the Super Bowl this year. How is that pathetic?

[Holy Avenger]

>Regarding the New Orleans Saints, I believe they are the
>only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game, yes?

No. The Ravens haven't either. Unfortunately, with the guys they've added on offense this year they stand a much better chance of erasing that stigma than we do.

The Saints being labeled as "the only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game" is a staple of mediocre sportswriters everywhere, that goes along with "They gave up two drafts for Ricky Williams" and "They are moving to San Antonio any day now."

One note about the Expos -- they were winning their division in 1994 when the post-season was cancelled and I maintain that they would have won the World Series that year. I find it laughable that certain baseball owners have nothing but criticism for the franchise and their loyal fans when those same pack of bastards feel the need to screw the players to the point of striking every time Montreal gets near the post-season.

[kunilou]

Originally posted by divemaster
[/B]

There's nothing lovable or respectable about the Saints. Remember when fans used to wear bags over their heads at the games? I also think they tried painting the seats of the Superdome in a pattern that tried to hide the fact that it was a graveyard during the games.[/B][/QUOTE]

Divemaster, thanks for proving my point. Saints fans showed up with paper bags on their heads. Cardinals fans (in three different cities no less) simply stay home. As for painting the seats to make them look less empty, Cardinals ownership won't go to the trouble.

By the way, I want to apologize for misspelling the Cardinals owner's family name. It's Bidwill. I want to be perfectly clear who I think the blame lies with.

[Munch]

For the record, the Padres went to the World Series in 1984, not '85. 1985 was the Royals v. Cardinals.

[iampunha]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Holy Avenger
Regarding the New Orleans Saints, I believe they are the
only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game, yes?

No. The Ravens haven't either. Unfortunately, with the guys they've added on offense this year they stand a much better chance of erasing that stigma than we do. [QUOTE]

I believe the Seattle Seahawks share this dubious distinction . . . I don't think they've ever won a playoff game, and I don't think they've ever even hosted one, though I am probably wrong about that.

If memory serves me correctly, the Buccaneers went 0-14 in their first season. The Seahawks couldn't have done much worse. My father tells me that during a broadcast of the first Sea-Buc game the announcer said "Someone is going to win their first game today!" and the Bucs lost.

However, the Bucs are pretty decent these days.

And you who vote fore the cubbies, do you not remember that a few years ago they actually made the playoffs? Yes, they did.

[divemaster]

Originally posted by Holy Avenger
>Regarding the New Orleans Saints, I believe they are the
>only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game, yes?

No. The Ravens haven't either. Unfortunately, with the guys they've added on offense this year they stand a much better chance of erasing that stigma than we do.

No, what I said was correct. The Saints are the only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game. The franchise that incorporates the team that now calls itself the Ravens has a rather rich history.

If the OP had been restricted to teams only, I guess you could include the Ravens. However, it seems kindof premature to place a team into a "worst ever" category when it has only been around a few years.

I'm still reeling that someone would actually consider the Saints lovable or respectable.

[Myrr21]

Actually, under the terms of the agreement with the NFL and the city of Cleaveland, the Ravens have no connection with the former Browns. The franchise--it's history, records, and so on (everything other than the actual team)--all stayed in Cleaveland. So yes, the Ravens have not won a playoff game. Ever. Hope they never do (Redskins fan here, but native Baltimoron).

[2sense]

Hey divemaster, I've got to agree with Myrr21 on this. But even if we accept your interpretation then what about the new Browns? You can't have it both ways, either the new or the old Browns are winless in the playoffs.

Also, didn't the league already sell that Houston franchise?
If so, I bet they haven't won a playoff game yet.
I would seriously consider betting that Baltimore, Cleveland, and Houston will win a playoff game before the Saints do.

[Jello]

What about the Atlanta Falcons? They've been terrible forever, except that fluke in 1998 or whenever.

[divemaster]

Originally posted by 2sense
Hey divemaster, ...But even if we accept your interpretation then what about the new Browns? You can't have it both ways, either the new or the old Browns are winless in the playoffs.

Of course, you are correct. I can't have it both ways.

[old man voice]
All these whippersnapper young teams popping up like dandelions got me all confused. Let me tell you, back in my day, a football team was a real team and...(mumble mumble mumble)...What was I talking about?
[/old man voice]

[sirdiesel]

Say what you want about the Washington Generals, the guys that get beaten by the Globetrotters every night, but I'd be willing to bet money on them taking out the Clippers on any given night.

Over history, it's the same deal. At least the Generals don't have hopeful fans who have to crash every single year.

*hides Generals t-shirt*

[Weirddave]

Didja ever see the Simpsons where Krusty is complaining about losing money betting on sports- " I thought the Generals were due!"LMAO.


MYRR-

I CAST THEE OUT, HEATHEN! BEGONE FROM THE LOVELY CITY OF BALTIMORE! THOU SHALT NOT SUPPORT THE REDSKINS UNLESS THOUGH LIVES AS FAR SOUTH AS BOWIE!


CAN'T wait until the purple and black kicks the burgandy and yellow all over FedEx Field on October 15th.

[Holy Avenger]

I'm still reeling that someone would actually consider the Saints lovable or respectable.
=-=-=-=-=-

As awful has the team has been, you have to give credit to the people who live in Louisiana that follow them. The home opener is apparently already sold out and it looks like three other games are close. 72,000 people for a team that went 3-13 last year? That's hardcore.

[APB9999]

Does the Chad Olympic Synchronized Swimming Team count?

[Myrr21]

Listen up, punk. I grew up in the soulless void that was Baltimore sans Colts (incidentally, my Middle school weight room was once used by the Colts for training). Well, that's not completely true, but I was never old enough to remember them being there (I wasn't aware of football until about age 6, when I learned all the rules and culture that apply).

So what's a Baltimoron to do with no football team and a Redskins fan for a grandfather? I think the answer's pretty obvious. How am I now supposed to switch over to some half-assed team that can't even make it to the playoffs? I went to some of the games, and watched Vinny "I wish I was a real quarterback" Testaverte lob lollipops straight to the cornerbacks. And the QBs haven't improved. Besides, we had no business stealing that team from Cleaveland--do you have any idea how many evil looks I get from my Cleaveland-dwelling friends. And they don't even like football. I think I would fear for my life if I set foot in that city... :)

So yes, I'm a Redskins fan...ha! May the Ravens dwell in patheticness evermore.

Incidentally, I really liked the CFL *cough*Colts*cough*...we had a championship team there...and it was kinda neat to see the wacky Canadian rules.
::sigh::

[Myrr21]

Ummm, that's:
Vinny "I wish I were a real quarterback" Testaverte

Subjunctive, subjunctive...drat!

And the Redskins are gonna stomp em; specially if Davis is healthy. I'll be able to hear the WHOMP all the way in upstate NY.

[Falcon]

Myrr -

I think I love you. No SHIT my Redskins are going to kick Baltimore's ass up and down the field this season! Don't listen to Dave...he's clearly deluded. ;)

And my vote for worst franchise? The Cincinnati Bungles....I mean Bengals.

[Myrr21]

Well, glad somebody knows what's good for em; we couldn't have the Ravens' twits thinking they had us outnumbered here, could we? :)

Though I'm going to have to disagree with your choice of the Bengals. True, they are consistently pathetic; but IIRC, they were the opposition in Joe Montana's first Super Bowl title--1989--in a classic QB duel with Boomer Esiason. Well, that's my $.02

[Weirddave]

Myrr,

You tell you Cleveland dwelling associates to shut up and go back to toasting marshmellows over their river. IMHO, they have absolutely NO beef with us. They LOST the team, it just came here. Ask them why they spent 3/4 billion dollars on the Indians, Cavs ( CAVS!) and R&R Hall of Fame, while expecting the Browns to stay in a stadium that made Memorial Stadium seem palatial. They got a guarenteed team in 3 years, kept their name, heritage and ugly uniforms, and the NFL helped pay for the stadium! Plus, they got rid of an owner they detested. Give any Colts fan that option in 1984 and we would have jumped at the chance. Cleveland got a sweatheart deal, and I wish they would all just shut up about it.

So what's a Baltimoron to do with no football team ?

The answer is "show some pride" and don't go sucking up to a team owned by a man despertly trying to keep us from getting one. Even if you decided to cheer for the Foreskins because we had no team at the time, when we got one, THAT REASON WENT AWAY! Throw out those ugly burgandy clothes and support the home team. I was a Cowboys fan in the years 84-96,( mainly just because it was SOOO much fun to piss off Deadskin fans ) but as soon as it was anounced we had a new team, all my Cowboys stuff went to Goodwill, and I stocked up on purple and black clothing.

Falc, I told you before you were dreaming. By Oct. 15th, half of your over the hill team will be on IR, and they rest will be so scared of an owner who regularly shows up in the locker room to berate them that they won't know a football from a soccer ball. Oh, and how do y'all like having an owner who charges $20 just to come watch practice? There's a real prince of a guy.


And yes, the CFL Colts/Stallions were fun. Baltimore is still the only city to win a football championship in the NFL, CFL and USFL.

[PatrickM]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by weirddave
[B]Myrr,

You tell you Cleveland dwelling associates to shut up and go back to toasting marshmellows over their river. IMHO, they have absolutely NO beef with us. They LOST the team, it just came here. Ask them why they spent 3/4 billion dollars on the Indians, Cavs ( CAVS!) and R&R Hall of Fame, while expecting the Browns to stay in a stadium that made Memorial Stadium seem palatial. They got a guarenteed team in 3 years, kept their name, heritage and ugly uniforms, and the NFL helped pay for the stadium! Plus, they got rid of an owner they detested. Give any Colts fan that option in 1984 and we would have jumped at the chance. Cleveland got a sweatheart deal, and I wish they would all just shut up about it.

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Weirdave, this if OT, but man you are off the mark. To say the Cleveland has no beef with Baltimore for stealing the team is just ludicrous. The city spent all that money on the Indians, Cavs and R&R HOF because it had a lease with the Browns for the old stadium, a lease that had been written by and for the Browns, and which the owner had promised to abide by. Baltimore bribed Modell into breaking the lease, a practice that is frowned on in all the courts of the land. The NFL's help in building new Cleveland stadium is more accounting sleight of hand than actual financial help. Moreover, we Clevelanders didn't hate Modell until he and his idiot son revealed themselves to be turncoats. Calling getting the Browns back a sweetheart deal is a mistake. The deal is sweet for the NFL and for the Browns new owner, but it is awfully expensive and anything but sweet for the townspeople.