New Orleans under Martial Law.

[Idle Thoughts]

I think I've had CNN on all day. 24 hours.

This is pretty serious. Wayyyy more than I originally thought...and I originally thought it was really bad.

[Shagnasty]

I think most of the news outlets are WAYYY underreporting this part of the story. Analysts wre predicting that New Orleans was going to be instantly destroyed by Katrina. When that didn't happen during the height of the storm it's like they just shrugged their shoulders and focused on Mississippi. The levees have burst and the city is filling with water which is the worst case scenario only it's a day late. Who knows how to fix a levee with a raging torrent flowing in? New Orleans is below sea level so that water is never going to go anywhere by itself. They pumps aren't working.

Engineers and crews must:
1) Fix the levees. From what I have read, that is extremely difficult to do.
2) Fix the pumps. How? They are so far underwater and broken. Even if they get them started, there is no where to pump.

Bottom line: Loss of most of the city. Biggest disaster in U.S. history. 1+ million people homeless for weeks to indefinite timeframe. Most of the city unihabitable for weeks to months.

[Kalhoun]

I think most of the news outlets are WAYYY underreporting this part of the story. Analysts wre predicting that New Orleans was going to be instantly destroyed by Katrina. When that didn't happen during the height of the storm it's like they just shrugged their shoulders and focused on Mississippi. The levees have burst and the city is filling with water which is the worst case scenario only it's a day late. Who knows how to fix a levee with a raging torrent flowing in? New Orleans is below sea level so that water is never going to go anywhere by itself. They pumps aren't working.

Engineers and crews must:
1) Fix the levees. From what I have read, that is extremely difficult to do.
2) Fix the pumps. How? They are so far underwater and broken. Even if they get them started, there is no where to pump.

Bottom line: Loss of most of the city. Biggest disaster in U.S. history. 1+ million people homeless for weeks to indefinite timeframe. Most of the city unihabitable for weeks to months.
I think they're reporting it accurately. I've been watching all day and the reality is that this city's recovery will last years. I cannot begin to imagine how insurmountable this must feel to the residents. My friend's home is a total loss (like so many thousands of others). I can't even begin to wrap my brain around it. We can only hope the remaining part of the hurricane season spares these folks.

[lorinada]

The more I watch it, the more I am reminded of all the shows I've seen about the 1900 Galveston storm. It is making me sick to my stomach to watch the news. I had to turn it off and come here.

I have been of limited means most of my life, a sinlge parent with multiple chronic illnesses. I've often wondered what would happen to us if we should suddenly be thrust into the clutches of a natural disaster. My heart really goes out to the people who did not have the means necessary to evacuate.

[Homebrew]

Mean ol' levee taught me t week and moan

[whiterabbit]

I lived there for two years, leaving this last February. The house I lived in is an unknown; it's in an area that hadn't flooded badly yesterday, but who knows what other sort of damage it had. With the levee breaks the neighborhood my SO lived in is under water, no doubt. All these places I know, that I was in a lot, are virtually gone.

I am feeling physically ill. My HOME. My God. I love that city.

[Homebrew]

Mean ol' levee taught me to weep and moan

Jeez how do you get so many typos in less than a dozen words?

[Shagnasty]

I am feeling physically ill. My HOME. My God. I love that city.

I do too. It is going to get really bad. I still think most of the nation doesn't know just how bad. They are talking about evacuating the whole city and closing it to everyone except engineering and emergency crews. I think that is a pretty good idea. You know the culture in New Orleans. The people that are left there are the ones that need to be there the least. If people stay there then some people are going to get shot (literally) for engaging in random acts of idiocy.

[Mama Tiger]

It's beyond horrific seeing what's happening. I feel as sick today as I expect most New Yorkers felt after 9/11 -- who knows how many people I know lost their lives, ignoring even the property damage.

I honestly don't know how the city will recover. Except that deep in my heart, I believe it will.

I heard one suggestion of plugging the holes in the levee with big ships. Which actually might work, at least until they can get something more permanent can be done. Heaven knows there's probably enough damaged vessels floating around to use a couple for a "hole in the dike" scenario.

[The Great Sun Jester]

Bad bad bad.

No jokes from Inigo today.

[What Exit?]

I think the breach is near where by Brother In Law & Sister In Law have their home. I'm pretty sure my Brother In Law is a Resident at Tulane and I just read they are evacuating Tulane.

They are hoping to seal the breach by dropping 6400 Lbs sand bags from Helo's.
Most of the pumps are done.

I think we are losing an entire city.

[Lute Skywatcher]

My parents consulted a topographical map when they were looking to buy a home in Jefferson Parish so they could have the high ground in case of a flood. They've long since moved away from there so I don't know if their strategy worked.

[Taters]

I think it's all just horribly sad. I imagine the city will recover, someday, but it will take a long time. Beyond the money figures (insurance, etc), the human toll is what makes it all so horrible. I cannot imagine having everything you own wiped out, period. I feel absolutely awful for all the folks in that entire region.

[tdn]

Wow. I had no idea this was even going on. Is this even worse than Galviston '00 and New England '38? So sad.

[belladonna]

Not to be dismissive of anyone's pain or suffering here, but I'm curious why a city like this would be rebuilt, or even built in the first place. It's not like this won't happen again somewhere down the line. The place is in a big hole betwen the ocean and a huge lake--seems like the very definition of courting disaster to me.

Obviously, people own the land and can do what they like with it, but it can't be the most logical thing to do.

[Diceman]

Frankly, I agree with belladonna. If I was the governor of Louisiana, I'd declare that the levees would not be repaired, and the displaced people would have to build new homes elsewhere. Yeah, I'd get tossed out of office damn quick, but I would end my political career knowing that people's lives would be saved the next time a hurricane passed through.

[whiterabbit]

I don't think anybody's going to argue that there's hardly a worse place to build a city, really -- I had a geology professor who, when I said my family was in the New Orleans area, said, "That city shouldn't be there!" And he was right.

But after living in Southern California and hearing people on the news saying stuff like, "I've had to rebuild four times and I'll do it again!" after their homes got wiped out by mudslides or fires...well, logic just doesn't enter into the equation.

My SO thinks New Orleans will just migrate up the river towards Baton Rouge somehow over time. I know what he means, but I'm not sure how to say it so it makes more sense than that.

[What Exit?]

My BIL & SIL are still at Tulane, they left a short message with my MIL.

Their house was close to the breach, they expect the worse.

As far as New Orleans, What would it take to raise the entire city up 8-10'. Kind of like Seattle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Underground_Tour) did but on a much grander scale.

[Johnny L.A.]

I think it would be a shame to abandon the city. New Orleans is my favourite city, after all. Lafitte's Blacksmith Shop was built sometime before 1772. There's a lot of great architecture there. Yes, the projects to protect the city that have been undertaken in the last hundred years or so have had the effect of increasing the likelihood of what has happened happening. But if nothing else, I think the French Quarter should be preserved and protected.

[Improv Geek]

This is a horrid horrid event, make no mistake of it. But given the American spirit, I fully expect to see a uniting again. Sure, there isn't the 9/11 war cry against terrorism, but with a beloved City - one of the cities that defines America's multi-cultural past and the melding of spirits.

I fully expect to see the city rebuilt. It may take time, but it will be done.

[Johnny L.A.]

Actually, my last post should have been in the other thread.

[EarthStone777]

Wow. I really don't pay enough attention to the news. I also had no idea this was happening.

To think that last summer the missus and I were thinking of moving there.

I have sent an e-mail out to a good friend of hers who did move there last year to make sure they are OK (a married couple with kid). Fortunately they are north of Lake Pontchartrain and on higher ground so I expect them to be fine.

[Kalhoun]

This is a horrid horrid event, make no mistake of it. But given the American spirit, I fully expect to see a uniting again. Sure, there isn't the 9/11 war cry against terrorism, but with a beloved City - one of the cities that defines America's multi-cultural past and the melding of spirits.

I fully expect to see the city rebuilt. It may take time, but it will be done.
I agree. The upside is that we're all on the same side.

[Kalhoun]

Wow. I really don't pay enough attention to the news. I also had no idea this was happening.

To think that last summer the missus and I were thinking of moving there.

I have sent an e-mail out to a good friend of hers who did move there last year to make sure they are OK (a married couple with kid). Fortunately they are north of Lake Pontchartrain and on higher ground so I expect them to be fine.
???
Wow.

[Balle_M]

This is a horrid horrid event, make no mistake of it. But given the American spirit, I fully expect to see a uniting again. Sure, there isn't the 9/11 war cry against terrorism, but with a beloved City - one of the cities that defines America's multi-cultural past and the melding of spirits.

I fully expect to see the city rebuilt. It may take time, but it will be done.

Agree all the way.

I don't know anyone who lives there.

I've never been there, and never had any intention of going there.

But I'll do anything I can to help rebuild it, and I know I'm not alone.

[Idle Thoughts]

Fox News is now saying that this is officially the most expensive hurricane causing the most damage, topping the previous record holder: Hurricane Andrew.

Sorry, don't have a link or cite. Maybe someone can post one. Or just turn on your TV if you have one around.

[lieu]

Maybe Martial Law has been declared but it's impact is, so far, in name only. CNN just showed pics of Canal Street in N.O. where hundreds of looters are running through the streets, filling shopping carts with unidentifable items.

Is that ever ugly.

[Earthworm Jim]

I lived in Biloxi once upon a time, and on occasion I'd get over to New Orleans. Damn if those aren't some of the best memories of my life.

:(

[The Great Sun Jester]

Maybe Martial Law has been declared but it's impact is, so far, in name only. CNN just showed pics of Canal Street in N.O. where hundreds of looters are running through the streets, filling shopping carts with unidentifable items.

Is that ever ugly.
That's not looting, it's capitalism in action. Hundreds of spontaneous independent salvage operations.

[Mama Tiger]

i just moved away from New Orleans a month ago. It looks like the area we lived in on the Westbank came through pretty well, minimal flooding and damage. But so many other areas are virtually destroyed, I honestly don't know how they can recover.

Except I know they will. And I'll be behind them 100%. God, I love that city.

[SlyFrog]

Maybe Martial Law has been declared but it's impact is, so far, in name only. CNN just showed pics of Canal Street in N.O. where hundreds of looters are running through the streets, filling shopping carts with unidentifable items.

Is that ever ugly.

Welcome to the fundamental nature of man.

[Shagnasty]

That's not looting, it's capitalism in action. Hundreds of spontaneous independent salvage operations.

Louisiana is one of the only states where you are allowed to shoot to protect property. You actually need to be the one that owns that property of course. I hate to think what is going to happen when some store or home owner finds a way to get back into the city and goes all Rambo.

[Rysdad]

Ok, about looting and martial law...

Some store owners should just fling the doors open and say, "have at it." I mean, might as well give away produce and foodstuffs that are going to rot anyway. It would probably be better if there was a way to give the stuff to the Natl Guard for distribution.

Still, store owners have the right to protect their inventory (what's left of it). I don't think I'd appreciate snorkelers in my jewelry store.

And God help the scumbag who's ransacking what's left of someone's house.

But what if it's life or death, such as, "My wife needed insulin, and I know my neighbor had some in his refrigerator before he evacuated?"

I'd sure hate to be the Guardsman that had to draw down on the mother stealing baby formula from a flooded 7-11.

[RyJae]

Such a tragedy, saying 100's perished in Biloxi alone.
Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9063708/)
I feel so badly for those that had no where to go, and had to ride it out, only to pass away.
And watching the news about the children that stayed with the families in the mandatory evacuation zones, makes me want to cry. How could a parent with the means to leave, risk there childrens lives to "tough it out"
In the coming days my family will be doing what we can to send cash (As they are requesting) but I need to find a worthy charity, that will put every dime I give to the people who need it. Anyone have a charity they can vouch for?

[What Exit?]

French Quarter is now 3' deep according to CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/30/katrina.neworleans/index.html

[BobLibDem]

I am unable to verify that martial law is in place. It there a cite?

[RyJae]

Ok, about looting and martial law...

Some store owners should just fling the doors open and say, "have at it." I mean, might as well give away produce and foodstuffs that are going to rot anyway. It would probably be better if there was a way to give the stuff to the Natl Guard for distribution.

Still, store owners have the right to protect their inventory (what's left of it). I don't think I'd appreciate snorkelers in my jewelry store.

And God help the scumbag who's ransacking what's left of someone's house.

But what if it's life or death, such as, "My wife needed insulin, and I know my neighbor had some in his refrigerator before he evacuated?"

I'd sure hate to be the Guardsman that had to draw down on the mother stealing baby formula from a flooded 7-11.


I heard something like this last night when the camera crews of one of the big three where recording a couple of people with groceries leaving a flooded store.

"Police are warning everyone looting will not be tolerated and will be a strict punishment'
Anchor "Its apparent that looting is happening right behind you"
"Police have told me privately that the taking of perishables is not the key concern at this moment"
Anchor "Huh you mean looting is allowed"
"No no not at all, what they are saying is, saving lives first, saving property second, stopping people from getting milk last"
Anchor "oh"

Now this was not word for word obviously but it seemed to me the police where telling the reporter they didn't take the looting of food as serious as say looting the local Best Buy.

[RyJae]

I am unable to verify that martial law is in place. It there a cite?
http://www.wdsu.com/news/4915310/detail.html
WDSU-TV reported that martial law was declared in some parts of New Orleans Tuesday morning.

[Mama Tiger]

I am unable to verify that martial law is in place. It there a cite?

Also www.nola.com. It's the first link below the all-caps headline. (That's the Times Picayune website.)

[BobLibDem]

Thanks for the links. Just amazing devastation. The looting does not surprise me one bit with the numbers of panhandlers and street con men that pester you in the streets there. Give people with very little an opportunity to grab something of value and they are going to take it.

[Mama Tiger]

I heard that everyone is turning a blind eye to looters carrying off things like diapers and baby formula. I would, too. I really doubt there'll be any problem for people grabbing the necessities of life. Heck, if I had no transportation and no way to get out of the way of a big storm and then had to steal to keep my kids alive, I'd do it without hesitation.

And to be honest, it's not as if every store owner whose stuff is being looted couldn't declare most of it a total loss for insurance purposes, anyway, especially with the rising flood waters. Which doesn't make it any less despicable, but hopefully it won't have as serious an economic impact as it might otherwise.

[Batsinma Belfry]

Mama Tiger, that's how I'm looking at it. They're saying that it will be atleast 2 weeks before the Red Cross and National Guard can get into the city. The people that are stranded there are going to have to deal with sickness, injuries and crime. Who cares if they steal some basic necessities.

[Mama Tiger]

They'll be able to get into the city a lot sooner than two weeks, I think; but it may be that long before they start really being able to move people out effectively. In the meantime, they've got to live somehow. Food and basic necessities, no problem. Stereos and TVs? Arrest 'em and use the bathrooms at the Superdome as jail cells! :eek: :eek:

[Philster]

Looks like 60-70% of the twin 'causeway' is wiped out. They said it is the main artery that heads east/west.

They now want to blow a levee open, after blowing a levee or damn farther down to somehow create a run of water to create a back siphon to suck some water out of N.O. Engineers fear that there might be no way to drain it. Serious chance we have a new lake.

[lieu]

Just curiious and honestly, being a wealthy nation, it's of no real consequence but have any other countries at least made token offers of aid? Right now it would just be nice to hear, what with all the other news being bad.

[Mama Tiger]

The only highway bridge still open is the Crescent City Connection, which is a fairly new and well-built bridge. The Twin Span going east on I-10 is destroyed in large chunks, the Bonne Carré Spillway west of town is underwater, and I have no idea how the Causeway across Lake Pontchartrain has fared, although my suspicion is probably badly.

As for opening a levee, if they open one on the river side, the water will flow downhill from the lake side and hopefully at least a good chunk of it will drain out that way. Since I expect they have to drain the water to get electricity in to run the pumps to drain the water, there's not a lot of choice.

[Slacker]

One at least (http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=152850), for what it's worth. Read more here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=332443).

[Slacker]

One at least (http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=152850), for what it's worth. Read more here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=332443).
Whoops. That, of course, is answering lieu's question above.

[rocking chair]

i'm with you lorinada, esp. the pictures of gulfport and biloxi. i'm sitting here thinking this is what galveston would have looked like.

thankfully less bodies than galveston. i'm glad so many people evacuated. thank you to everyone and anyone who ever had anything to do with satelite technology. what life savers y'all are!!!

martial law is the only answer to what is going on now in new orleans. i can't imagine how they are going to maintain order at the superdome.

are there any campgrounds or state parks near by that they could set up tent cities in? closed bases that have habital barracks? that is the only thing i can think of. where in the u.s. do you put about 1 million people?

[Nic2004]

One at least (http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=152850), for what it's worth. Read more here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=332443).
Isn't this the same guy that idiot Robertson was talking about "taking out"?

[Diceman]

Isn't this the same guy that idiot Robertson was talking about "taking out"?
Yep, that's the dude. Robertson later apologized for his comments.

[The Great Sun Jester]

One at least (http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=152850), for what it's worth. Read more here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=332443).
I know we shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth but...what's this guy's angle? Maybe he should get his own thread? I guess it says something (not sure just what) when a generous gesture is met with suspicion.

[David Simmons]

martial law is the only answer to what is going on now in new orleans. i can't imagine how they are going to maintain order at the superdome.This is a real sticky situation. It's going to be terribly difficult to assemble sufficient forces and the logistical supplies to support them and transport them to the Super Bowl rapidly. You can't dribble troops in a few at a time, the whole group has to arrive nearly simultaneously If they can do that they should be able to get supplies enough to ease tensions to the 10000 or so people there. And the copters, or boats or whatever is used to bring the troops in could also be used to take people out. Of course, take them out to where is a big question mark.

It is really difficult to imagine the complete evacuation of a metropolitain area with nothing but boats and helicopters to do the job.

[Mississippienne]

I was just in New Orleans a week ago, in the CBD just a block or two from the Superdome. I can't believe it's underwater. Damn. Has anyone heard from the NO Dopers?

Last year I went on Red Cross Disaster Relief in Florida and saw the devastation in Punta Gorda. Some of my fellow workers were joking they hoped Hurricane Ivan would hit New Orleans, so they could see the French Quarter. I remember being so angry at their cavalier attitude -- I'm from the Deep South, I have lots of family and friends there. While they get to go back to their nice safe home in Washington and Colorado and New York, the Southerners are still there. Disasters don't happen for your enjoyment!

[Nic2004]

I was just in New Orleans a week ago, in the CBD just a block or two from the Superdome. I can't believe it's underwater. Damn. Has anyone heard from the NO Dopers?

Last year I went on Red Cross Disaster Relief in Florida and saw the devastation in Punta Gorda. Some of my fellow workers were joking they hoped Hurricane Ivan would hit New Orleans, so they could see the French Quarter. I remember being so angry at their cavalier attitude -- I'm from the Deep South, I have lots of family and friends there. While they get to go back to their nice safe home in Washington and Colorado and New York, the Southerners are still there. Disasters don't happen for your enjoyment!
As one of the Central Floridians that went through the hammering last year I'd just like to say THANK YOU for your help.
Nic

[Idle Thoughts]

Looting going on in the French Quarter...gunfire.

Cops are being called out to try to restore order.

Superdome has to be evacuated.

Some downtown areas have water up to 20 feet deep.

They reported that dead bodies are floating down the streets. :( Words just can't convey.




I really wish people would have listened to the first evac now.

[KarlGrenze]

Idle, probably many people did... A lot, actually, if you go by all the cars and traffic jams that were going on Saturday and Sunday with people evacuating the city and environs. Those that are left are the ones that didn't have a car, and figured going to the Superdome was more hassle than staying home.

And are people really sure those are victims of this event, or (gross too) people recently deceased that were washed out of their tombs?

[bump]

I got to wondering... can the Navy maybe use the hovercraft landing craft (LCAC) to help out? Seems like they would be ideal for this kind of situation- water or land wouldn't stop them, and they carry quite a bit- like 70 tons or something, for something like 50 miles.

[Eleusis]

I heard that everyone is turning a blind eye to looters carrying off things like diapers and baby formula.
Ahh great. They leave the jewelry and stereo behind.

What nice people.

[Eleusis]

Ahh great. They leave the jewelry and stereo behind.

What nice people.
Sorry... nevermind... I really do understand... but looters..... FUCK

[Idle Thoughts]

Well, Fox News has reported that all pumps will be failing soon and damnned if he doesn't sound like there's nothing more they can do about it. Which doesn't make much sense to me...but I dunno. Everyone is being evactuated. People are looting like crazy in many places. In the next 12 to 15 hours, they predict about 9 feet of water will rush into N.O. from the east bank.

That will be presumably be adding to all the water there already..which is up to 20 feet in some places downtown and one county that's even gone entirely. "The river has reclaimed it" they say. I did not catch the county's name, however. And again, I don't have any links or sites. Sorry. I'm just typing it as I hear it.
Maybe someone can help out and post a link or two.

[Kolak of Twilo]

The real tragedy to me is that most people don't comprehend the degree of this. The mayor and governor have said it is likely N. O. will be without power for at least two months. 80 % of the city is said to be submerged.

Submerged.

More water pouring in by the hour with nowhere to pump it or drain it.....

What city can recover from 2 months or more without basic city services? The city government "relocated" today. Read that "fled".

God, love that city, grew up on the coast nearby and all I can think is that it is gone.

Yep. Gone.

[KarlGrenze]

Sorry... nevermind... I really do understand... but looters..... FUCK

Actually... Considering for many of these people their houses were destroyed or damaged, their jobs are gone, who knows what they saved... I really would turn a blind eye to anybody looting basic things needed for emergencies.

Now, the looters getting electronics, knives and guns... Yea, they can get those, stealing things that are worthless in this situation.

[Eleusis]

Now, the looters getting electronics, knives and guns... Yea, they can get those, stealing things that are worthless in this situation.
OK, please forgive me if I'm a little confused...

That's bad, right?

I tend to think they aren't really worthless so much... the knives and guns in the hands of looters?

And Karl is a man's name, but you're a female, right? (it doesn't matter but I'm confused)

[Mama Tiger]

That will be presumably be adding to all the water there already..which is up to 20 feet in some places downtown and one county that's even gone entirely. "The river has reclaimed it" they say. I did not catch the county's name, however.

You're probably referring to the Plaquemines Parish, which is the point of land that sticks out farthest into the Gulf at the southeastern tip of Louisiana. It's not entirely gone, but huge chunks of its lower tip are. It's not all that surprising; with the devastation to the wetlands in the past 30 or 40 years, probably over 50% of the Louisiana coastline has already disappeared. Losing some of lower Plaquemines isn't surprising. We used to drive down to the end of the road down there just to marvel -- it felt like the water on either side was actually higher than the road in places, and that all it would take would be a couple of raindrops to break the surface tension and the road would be underwater. There's not many people down there, obviously; but several small communities have completely disappeared. Such as Venice.

I don't know how New Orleans will recover, but it will. I was struck listening to Mayor Nagin's interview on CNN last night, when after a day of the news channels whipping up hysteria, he was calm and cool and collected and absolutely refused to even hint that a future for the city isn't possible. I am so grateful that he's at the helm right now. He's finally getting the national help needed to maybe put things to rights -- get decent levees built on all sides (rather than having the local Corps of Engineers budget slashed out of all recognition), providing support services to rebuild homes and roads and recreate the infrastructure in a newer, stronger way.

As I mentioned in the Katrina thread, my husband spoke to former coworkers at Entergy, the electric company, yesterday and they've got the IT and control infrastructure intact and ready to go as soon as lines can go up again. So as soon as the water is gone, we're going to see a rebuilding effort like you have NEVER seen.

It's strange; as the floods get deeper, I feel myself believing even more than New Orleans will be back. I just wish I could be there to help in the reconstruction.

[KarlGrenze]

OK, please forgive me if I'm a little confused...

That's bad, right?

I tend to think they aren't really worthless so much... the knives and guns in the hands of looters?

And Karl is a man's name, but you're a female, right? (it doesn't matter but I'm confused)

Well... I meant worthless as in, they won't feed the looters not give them first aid. It will make the looters dangerous, but why loot those things, when what you really need are others?

Yea, I'm female.

[Eleusis]

Well... I meant worthless as in, they won't feed the looters not give them first aid. It will make the looters dangerous, but why loot those things, when what you really need are others?

Yea, I'm female.
I already asked my wife, and it's okay.

I want to fuck you.

[Eleusis]

Oh yeah, I asked the mods, and they said, "Like that shit ain't cool man".... so I take it back.