PDA

View Full Version : Tuckerfan's Museum of Automotive Oddities


Tuckerfan
10-23-2005, 11:12 PM
Plus a few other things. One of the things I did while I was without net service was dig up all the ancient magazines I've got and scanned some of the articles about strange automotive things that I've never been able to find much more about.

First up, is the car (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/04maxim.jpg) Hiram Maxim (yes, that Hiram Maxim) built, which is unique in that features a flip top box and sadly, no machine guns. :(

Next is the Perkin Paris (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/07pekinparismotoricontal.jpg) which had fenders that turned into a bridge. Why anybody would want such a thing is beyond me.

Many people think that the Amphicar (http://www.amphicar.com/) was the first car/boat combination, which is incorrect. The concept (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/07ravaillierampcar.jpg) had been around since 1907, if not before.

Lots of people hate SUVs because they're big, ugly, and use too much gas. Well, just be glad that Ford's concept (in 1911) of what a car in 1961 would look like (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/11fordad.jpg) never came to pass. :eek:

Preston Tucker wasn't the only fellow in 1948 trying to capitalize on the post-war demand for cars, only Henry J. Kaiser managed to have any success. The other folks, did manage to build a car or two. However, I can't see anyone falling in love with this car (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/1948airway.jpg), this one (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/48wimille.jpg), or this one. (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tasco01.jpg)

Back in the early days of automobiles, people were looking at all kinds of different engines and possibilities for alternative fuel. This engine (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/acetylenecarb.jpg) supposedly got better fuel economy running on acetylene than gas engines of the era, and (at least at that time) acetylene was cheaper than gas. I'm tempted to try and find the patents for that engine and see if it could be made to work.

Look! It's a VW Beetle on steroids! (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/airomobile.jpg) :eek: Actually, the car predates by a year or so. As does this lookalike (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/34standard.jpg) and this one. (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/36steyr.jpg) Interestingly enough, the last two are both German cars, while the first one is American.

And did you know that before he built computers, Steve Jobs was into cars? Well, who else would call their car an Apple (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/apple.jpg)?

I don't know when the trend started, but shortly after the VW Beetle showed up after WW II, people began ripping them apart and replacing the body with a fiberglas one. One of the niftiest looking ones, I think, was the Ascort (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/ascort.jpg) from the folks down under, who for reasons known only to themselves, tried to give us the Zeta (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/zeta.jpg) as well. (IIRC, it had a washing machine motor.)

Lest you think I've only got automotive things, I point you to this rather unusual motorcycle tire (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/balltire.jpg). It's a solid tire that had the center carved out and replaced with balls, to help the rider improve his cornering. Can't imagine it'd be fun to ride on anything but a dirt track.

The next time your eco-friendly cow-irker goes on and how about how cutting edge their hybrid is show them the Briggs and Stratton hybrid car (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/briggshybrid01.jpg) which was built in the 1980s. (I wish I could find the article on the hybrid truck which dates from the teens or 20s.)

Here's an engine (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/coengine.jpg) which supposedly ran off it's own CO2. How it could possibly work, I've no idea. (According to the article the exhaust from the primary cylinders would be sent to larger secondary cylinders where it would be consumed.)

An interesting variant on the rotary engine is this crankless engine (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/cranklessengine.jpg). It had fewer moving parts, so I wonder why it never caught on.

Now, this engine (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/dieselclone.jpg) sounds like a diesel engine, but had some undefined difference that the neither the article nor the crappy photo makes clear.

Given the latest fashions for drivers (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/drivinggear.jpg) at the turn of the 1900s it's a wonder the automobile ever caught on at all.

We've all heard the tale of the 100 MPG, but that's nothing compared to this engine (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/elmerengine.jpg) which supposedly got 300 MPG.

While this guy (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/gaspedal.jpg) appears to be romantically involved with his gas pedal, it actually is a pretty good idea. When you pulled your foot off the gas pedal the brakes like would flash. Someone else came up the idea at about the same time (and I wish I could find the article) where the harder you pressed on the brakes, the brighter your tail lights would get.

We've all had to struggle with flat tires in the past, well the folks who built the Gladiator car had an idea to help with that. They put an air pump in the wheel hub (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/gladiatortirepump.jpg). All you had to do was hook the tire iron up to and pump till your arms fell off.

Back before he was building cars, Preston Tucker learned everything he knew from famed Indy race car designer Harry A. Miller. One of Miller's cars was called the Golden Submarine (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/gsub.jpg). It was supposed to be the ultimate high performance and safety. The car above it, is an Auburn speedster which was built a number of years later and looks very similar, IMHO.

The government is requiring all cars to have tire pressure monitoring systems, and many companies are looking at something other than pneumatic tires. Perhaps they should try this idea (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/holeytire.jpg).

One of the dumbest ideas I've seen is this one (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/ibrake4idiots.jpg) for a brake pedal that was wired up to the driver's eye brows. You blink, and it slams on the brakes. Does anyone see a problem here? Can you imagine what would happen if the driver had a sneezing fit?

I don't have anything for this one (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/inflatableclutch.jpg) other than it's a blow up clutch, and I'm sure we all think of the same thing when we read "blow up." ;)

How many of you have invented an alternative fuel over breakfast? Well, this young girl did (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/irol.jpg) and we've never heard any more about it.

Everybody laughed when we saw Wayne driving an AMC Pacer in Wayne's World[/url], however, did you know that AMC actually considered trying to make the Pacer hip (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/pacerpickup01.jpg)? Yeah, it doesn't work for me either, and I [i]like Pacers.

Well, it's upside down (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/ratplate.jpg), but this is an article about a license plate that would snitch on you if you broke the speed limit. Glad that idea didn't catch on.

If showing your irritating cow-irker the hybrid from the 80s doesn't shut them up, then show them this British built car (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/runtmobile.jpg) from the 1950s which got 100 MPG, of course it only seats one.

That's all for now, I've got to toddle off to bed, but I'll be back with a steam powered air plane, motorcycle, and camper, not to mention a truck which used its mud flaps as brakes, a motorcycle modeled after a tractor and tons of other things.

picunurse
10-23-2005, 11:30 PM
Well, just be glad that Ford's concept (in 1911) of what a car in 1961 would look like never came to pass.
Sure it did! It looks like a Hummer :D

Nic2004
10-23-2005, 11:35 PM
Welcome back Tuckerfan. Many here missed you while you were gone.




Nic

Enola Straight
10-23-2005, 11:55 PM
Here's an engine (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/coengine.jpg) which supposedly ran off it's own CO2. How it could possibly work, I've no idea. (According to the article the exhaust from the primary cylinders would be sent to larger secondary cylinders where it would be consumed.)
.

That looks like a double expansion engine.

The standard Otto cycle would take place in two of the cylinders, then, instead of just going into the exhaust manifold, the exhaust would be shunted to the two remaining cylinders to recover additional exhaust pressure.

No burning of carbon dioxide, though.

Ranchoth
10-24-2005, 05:05 AM
The Ford Nucleon. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon) Just guess what it's powered by. Go ahead, take a wild guess. And this from the company that would later build the Pinto.

On the other hand, it was supposed to get 5000 miles per fuelup...with current gas prices, I might decide to risk it. (Hell, I'd probably do it anyway, just to say I had.)

Sunspace
10-24-2005, 05:17 AM
Cool links, Tuckerfan!That looks like a double expansion engine.

The standard Otto cycle would take place in two of the cylinders, then, instead of just going into the exhaust manifold, the exhaust would be shunted to the two remaining cylinders to recover additional exhaust pressure.

No burning of carbon dioxide, though.And didn't the article say that the second stange was burning carbon monoxide, CO, not carbon dioxide, CO2? That sounds logical, given inefficient combusion in the first stage.

Sunspace
10-24-2005, 05:21 AM
The Ford Nucleon. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon) Just guess what it's powered by. Go ahead, take a wild guess. And this from the company that would later build the Pinto.

On the other hand, it was supposed to get 5000 miles per fuelup...with current gas prices, I might decide to risk it. (Hell, I'd probably do it anyway, just to say I had.)And if the Ford Nucleon was nuclear-powered, what's the Ford Fusion (http://www.ford.ca/main/default.asp?language=en&section=1&source=&sVehCategory=FordCars&model=Fusion) powered by? :)

Mangetout
10-24-2005, 05:23 AM
Lots of people hate SUVs because they're big, ugly, and use too much gas. Well, just be glad that Ford's concept (in 1911) of what a car in 1961 would look like (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/11fordad.jpg) never came to pass. :eek:Hmmm... (http://www.autotrend.com/pic/8948.jpg)

Ranchoth
10-24-2005, 05:38 AM
Hmmm... (http://www.autotrend.com/pic/8948.jpg)

:eek: Alright, what the devil is that thing? A concept design? A photoshop pic? Barbie's APC?

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
10-24-2005, 07:02 AM
Hmmm... (http://www.autotrend.com/pic/8948.jpg)


:eek: Alright, what the devil is that thing? A concept design? A photoshop pic? Barbie's APC?

Thunderbirds.
Lady Penelope's jalopy.

Or the Pink Panther's wheels.

Therewas a custom limo used in the intro to the Pink Panther TV cartoons, in the 70's. Anybody got a link?

Mr. Blue Sky
10-24-2005, 08:50 AM
I hate to say it, but I like that Pacer-thing.

Enola Straight
10-24-2005, 09:50 AM
I hate to say it, but I like that Pacer-thing.

Chevy had the El Camino.
Ford had the Ranchero
Chrysler had the Turismo.
Even Subaru had the Brat.

I was wondering why AMC didn't have its own car/pickup

Mangetout
10-24-2005, 09:57 AM
:eek: Alright, what the devil is that thing? A concept design? A photoshop pic? Barbie's APC?It's FAB1 - Lady Penelope's car (this version was actually built by Ford for the recent (crappy) live action Thunderbirds movie).

Mr. Blue Sky
10-24-2005, 10:03 AM
I was wondering why AMC didn't have its own car/pickup

In the August issue of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine, there's an article about the Gremlins AMC never built. One of them was a Brat-like pickup.

Scumpup
10-24-2005, 10:42 AM
What can you tell me about the Leslie Special (http://www.river-road.net/oldcars/oldcustoms/002.jpg) and the Hannibal 8 (http://www.river-road.net/oldcars/oldcustoms/006.jpg)? I know that they were built for the Jack Lemmon/Tony Curtis movie The Great Race, but beyond that I know nothing. Were they modified from existing antique cars? Was either of them capable of actually being driven?

Mr. Blue Sky
10-24-2005, 10:53 AM
What can you tell me about the Leslie Special (http://www.river-road.net/oldcars/oldcustoms/002.jpg) ...

Answers the question, "What Would Liberace Drive?"

Tuckerfan
10-24-2005, 06:20 PM
What can you tell me about the Leslie Special (http://www.river-road.net/oldcars/oldcustoms/002.jpg) and the Hannibal 8 (http://www.river-road.net/oldcars/oldcustoms/006.jpg)? I know that they were built for the Jack Lemmon/Tony Curtis movie The Great Race, but beyond that I know nothing. Were they modified from existing antique cars? Was either of them capable of actually being driven?
All the cars in that movie were built by custom shops for the film and have very little in common with antique cars. From what I understand, the cars were drivable, but not exactly safe to operate.

You're right, Sunspace, shame on me for not rereading the article after I scanned it. Still, it's the only IC engine I've ever seen like that, while compound engines are fairly common amongst steamers.

Nic2004, thanks.

Let's see what else I've got here.

I'm guessing that this photo (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/sign.JPG) was taken during WW I, but I've never heard of gas rationing going on.

There was a thread, some time back, that I can't find, about Michelin's work on making airless tires, which I really regret, because these (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/springwheel01.jpg) designs (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/springwheel02.jpg) pre-date (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/springwheel03.jpg) Michelin's tire by a good number of years.

Of course, they really can't compare to the US Army's square wheel (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/squarewheel.jpg) idea. I can see how it'd work in mud, it's pavement that I can't picture them driving on.

Everyone thinks that DeLorean built the first stainless steel car. That's not true at all, Ford built a couple in 1935 (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/ssford1935.jpg). They also built a couple of Lincoln's in the Sixties that were stainless steel.

Johnny L. A. apparently hasn't poked his head in this thread, yet, but he'll enjoy this. (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/stationette50.jpg) No, it's not a woodie BMW Isetta, in fact it predates the Isetta, IIRC, sure does look like one, though.

In the 1930's, one enterprising fellow built himself a steam (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamcamper01.jpg) powered (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamcamper02.jpg) motor home (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamcamper03.jpg). Got lousy gas mileage, but then again, gas was cheap back then, so nobody really cared.

Here's (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamcycle01.jpg) a homebuilt (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamcycle02.jpg) steam (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamcycle03.jpg) motorcycle (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamcycle04.jpg) that originally started out as a Harley Davidson. It ran on propane and the builder claimed it was cheaper to operate than a gas powered bike. About the only problem I can see with it, is that it lacks a condenser, so you have to top up the water periodically.

This steam motorcycle (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamcycle05.jpg) dates from the 1930s and the guy who owned it lived in the same small town as my father. When I first saw the pic, I sent it to my dad and asked him if he happened to know the guy, but he'd never heard of him.

As far as I know, this is the only steam powered airplane ever built. (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamplane.jpg) I've got a book from the 1920s which has plans on how to build a model plane that runs on steam, but I've never seen another steam plane capable of carrying people. One of the nifty things about it, is that on landing, the pilot could reverse the engine and slow the plane down rapidly. Apparently, they made one demonstration flight with the plane and then yanked the engine out.

I think that this (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/suspension.jpg) is the first record of what were later to be called "knee action" shocks. Certainly, the description in the article sounds similar to knee action shocks.

In the 1960s, one of the steel companies built a prototype (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/taxi01.jpg) taxi (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/taxi02.jpg), which was supposed to be the ultimate in luxury. They showed it to the Big Three, but apparently not Checker (who was the cab maker at the time), or AMC (which built cars that looked similar).

I'm not sure why anyone thought that using mud flaps for an emergency brake in semis was a good idea (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tirebrake.jpg), but they did. This is another idea I'm glad didn't catch on.

This has to be the ultimate dirt bike (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tractorbike.jpg). Instead of a rear tire, it's got a caterpillar tread system.

Here's (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tranny01.jpg) a hydraulic transmission set up, which pre-dates that of Tucker's. No clue if this is where Tucker got his idea or not.

Instead of gears, this tranny (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/tranny02.jpg) used an oscillating weight. Can't imagine that the car got very good gas mileage.

I don't know about the engine, but this tranny's a hemi! (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tranny03.jpg)

If you've ever been four wheeling and gotten stuck, then you probably wish you had this set up (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/tire04.jpg) for your vehicle. At the push of a button, studs would protrude from the inner part of the wheel and, in theory, give you better traction. I can't tell from the illustration exactly how this would work. (The drawing seems to show a full-time and not an on demand system.)

Another variant on the "puncture resistant" tire is this one (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/tire.jpg) which divided the tire into chambers so that if one part of the tire was punctured the tire would stay inflated. This (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/tire02.jpg) is apparently the only production use of the idea, and it's for a bicycle.

Instead of a donut spare, how about a wooden disk (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/tire03.jpg)? I can't imagine it'd be a safe ride at highway speeds.

About a decade or so after Tucker tried to get his hydraulic transmission working Triumph gave it a shot. (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/tranny04.jpg) Nary a clue as to what happened to it.

Back in the 1930s or so, the US gov't spent several thousand dollars on a car which was supposed to be able float and fly (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/triphib02.jpg) as well as drive on the road. No one ever found out if it worked or not, as when the inventor started it up for the first time it burst into flames. (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/triphib.jpg) The inventor was pulled from the flaming wreck by news photographers.

A few years ago, on the TV show Invent This! they featured a monocycle (http://www.americanroadshop.com/The_Monocycle/the_monocycle.html), and I had to laugh, because the idea's been around (ttp://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/unicar01.jpg) for decades (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/unicar02.jpg). In fact, someone even designed a tank version (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/unitank.jpg) between the World Wars. :eek:

Here's two engines (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/twoengines.jpg) which were supposed to be better than the Otto cycle engne. Neither of them caught on, as far as I can tell.

Many of us have a dream car, which has never been built. One man built his (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/wtfcar01.jpg) and all I can say is, "Why?"

If you think a Mini Cooper's too big, then this (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/wtfcar201.jpg) car's (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/wtfcar202.jpg) for you. It could probably fit inside a Mini Cooper.

We've all seen the wild concept cars that Detroit came up with during the 1950s, and with the Cold War raging, the Soviets were not allow the capitalist American pig dogs to out do them, so they came up with the Zis. (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/zis.jpg) Not exactly a pretty car, but it looks like it could go through a brick wall and not even slow down.

That's about all I have (somewhere I've got other nifty articles, but I can't find them in all the kipple), except for one item, which caused me nearly to crap myself when I saw it. I'd literally had this (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/russell01.jpg) article (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/russell02.jpg) for (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/russell03.jpg) years (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/russell04.jpg), never read it, and never even paid any attention to it, until recently. As I was flipping through my collection, I noticed that it was about a hydraulic drive car, and I said, "Meh, Tucker had the same idea." Then I noticed who wrote the article and the date which it was published. It was written by Charles T. Pearson, who's the author of the official Tucker biography and it was published in 1946, and it's about an engineer who had built a prototype hydraulic drive car for Ford. Pearson would have been working (at least part time) for Tucker when the article was written and strangely enough, the figures he cites in the article are identical to those claimed by Tucker for his system. Even more puzzling, there's no mention by Pearson of this article, or Ford's work, in his bio of Tucker. It has me wondering.

Tuckerfan
10-24-2005, 07:06 PM
Sure it did! It looks like a Hummer :D
Actually, it looks more like this EV! (http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/kaz.html) :eek:

Sweetums
10-24-2005, 07:27 PM
A few years ago, on the TV show Invent This! they featured a monocycle (http://www.americanroadshop.com/The_Monocycle/the_monocycle.html), and I had to laugh, because the idea's been around (ttp://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/unicar01.jpg) for decades (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/unicar02.jpg). In fact, someone even designed a tank version (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/unitank.jpg) between the World Wars. :eek:


Oo the War Wheel! Call the Blackhawks :cool:

Mr. Blue Sky
10-24-2005, 07:58 PM
Fixed the "around" link (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/tuckerfan/Auto%20Stuff/unicar01.jpg)

scr4
10-24-2005, 10:49 PM
...many companies are looking at something other than pneumatic tires. Perhaps they should try this idea (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/holeytire.jpg).
I think the Michelin Tweel (http://www.fastcoolcars.com/airless-tires.htm) is the same idea?

Ranchoth
10-24-2005, 10:52 PM
Oo the War Wheel! Call the Blackhawks :cool:

You call that a "War Wheel"? Now this (http://panzermodelkit.valka.cz/lebedaj.htm) is a "War Wheel"!

And yes, apparently, it actually was a real vehicle. And it actually got to the prototype stage.

:eek:

Tuckerfan
10-24-2005, 11:18 PM
I think the Michelin Tweel (http://www.fastcoolcars.com/airless-tires.htm) is the same idea?
That's exactly what I was thinking of!

Tuckerfan
02-14-2007, 02:52 AM
A bump (mods, please don't have a fit), because I've just discovered this page (http://thrillingwonder.blogspot.com/2007/02/aerodynamic-marvels.html), with some rather odd looking cars. Including one that "First, let’s look under the hood (presuming it has one, somewhere). While the
Fascination’s standard engine is an aluminum, fuel-injected four-cylinder, a new type of energy source is touted as the vehicle’s soon-to-come power drive: the Nobel Gas Plasma Engine.
"This engine is a closed two-cycle reciprocating engine that has no intake, uses no air, emitting no exhaust at all! The fuel is self-contained and hermetically sealed in the cylinders which are initially charged at the time of manufacturing, carrying their own power supply that will last approximately 60 to 75 thousand miles with no fall of efficiency."Ooookay, anyone know why this didn't catch on? (Besides the fact that it's most likely a scam and in an ugly car, I mean.)

ralph124c
02-14-2007, 08:14 AM
Any info on this weird engine design? Henry ford sank quite a bit of money in to it; is was a 4-cylinder engine, with the cylinders in the shape of an X. Space efficient, and a very short crankshaft. It was suposed to sit horizontally in the erngine compartment-meaning the crankshat needed a spur gear to connect to the ransmission.

Runestar
02-14-2007, 11:57 AM
Total hijack, but Monday whilst driving around town I passed an actual operating BMW Isetta going the other way. So cool!

I knew they were small, but great Og, I had no idea just how small they were. The minivan behind it looked like a train engine in comparison.

gotpasswords
02-14-2007, 01:55 PM
Fun stuff. Reminds me of the days when Popular Science seemed to have a new wacky engine design on the front cover of every third issue.

N9IWP
02-14-2007, 02:47 PM
...

As far as I know, this is the only steam powered airplane ever built. (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/steamplane.jpg) I've got a book from the 1920s which has plans on how to build a model plane that runs on steam, but I've never seen another steam plane capable of carrying people. One of the nifty things about it, is that on landing, the pilot could reverse the engine and slow the plane down rapidly. Apparently, they made one demonstration flight with the plane and then yanked the engine out.



I've always wondered if an external combustion plane could be made, I've even considered starting a GQ on it. thanks!

Brian

SpectBrain
02-14-2007, 09:19 PM
An interesting variant on the rotary engine is this crankless engine. It had fewer moving parts, so I wonder why it never caught on.


Maybe It (http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/050302.html) Will

Bradley Howell-Smith, managing director of Revetec Limited (Sydney, Australia) and inventor of the Revetec engine, arrived at a solution to the problem in 1996, when he replaced the crank with counter-rotating cams driving an output shaft, and made the connecting rods rigid.

Tuckerfan
02-15-2007, 02:23 AM
Any info on this weird engine design? Henry ford sank quite a bit of money in to it; is was a 4-cylinder engine, with the cylinders in the shape of an X. Space efficient, and a very short crankshaft. It was suposed to sit horizontally in the erngine compartment-meaning the crankshat needed a spur gear to connect to the ransmission.
IIRC, they had problems with the plug wires and/or vibration. Someone mentioned the reason in a thread on radial engines in GQ, IIRC.

Aircraft have had radial engines for years and I'm told that they perform fantastically, so I can only guess why Ford couldn't get the kinks worked out. Henry Ford did wonders for the automotive industry, but he was a subborn old mule at times. He kept the Model-T around for years longer than it was really a viable product, he also refused to allow people to buy cars on credit as he felt that it would sap the moral character of the nation (Chevy was able to pass Ford in car sales by extending credit to car buyers). When Walter P. Chrysler (yes, that Chrysler) invented a way to make V-6s run as smooth as V-8s, he was so excited about the idea, that he drove the test car to Henry Ford's place. Ford had no interest in it at all. (The folks at GM, however, did find it interesting and introduced their first models shortly after Chrysler did.) So it might be that there was some element of the design that Ford refused to allow to be changed which prohibited it from working.

Ford, also, for reasons known only to himself, I suppose, hired George Washington Carver to develop plant material into body panels for cars, but never mass produced them. (It was either soy beans or peanut shells that Carver used.) I've seen film footage of Henry Ford and GWC beating on the trunk lid of a car with a baseball bat and no damage occuring to the lid. We had to wait until Saturn started building cars in the 90s to see something similar.

SmartAleq
02-15-2007, 02:29 AM
You say you want tiny cars? Well here's a tiny car! (http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/kleinschnittger.html)

I discovered this one while working as a GM product specialist and somebody called asking what the itty bitty car that ended up parked in the back of the Escalade EXT was--took us a while, but we figured it out!

I wonder if this engine (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/quasiturbine.htm) will ever catch on? It looks very cool...

Pushkin
02-15-2007, 05:04 AM
I hate to say it, but I like that Pacer-thing.

Me too! Cool photos Tuckerfan.

Ranchoth
02-15-2007, 06:31 AM
I've seen film footage of Henry Ford and [George Washington Carver] beating on the trunk lid of a car with a baseball bat

Please tell me this footage is available on video, somewhere.

N9IWP
02-15-2007, 07:50 AM
There were some cars with airplane-style radial engines, including one where the engine was horizontal (that is, the crankshaft is vertical). There were pictures in a semi-recent motor trend or similar magazine.

Brian

Vlad/Igor
02-15-2007, 09:29 AM
Tuckerfan, if you're not associated with the Lane Motor Museum, you oughta be. They'd love you. I want to go back and see if they've renovated the Czech ambulance they acquired a couple of years ago.

Squink
02-15-2007, 09:51 AM
Look! It's a VW Beetle on steroids! (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/airomobile.jpg) :eek: Actually, the car predates by a year or so.That looks like what a Dymaxion car (http://www.washedashore.com/projects/dymax/chronology.html) should have looked like.

NinetyWt
02-15-2007, 01:05 PM
Tuckerfan, I enjoyed reading your newest additions ...... I gotta tell you ........ I like to have fell out when I was looking at the photo of the Dymaxion - parked in front of the Texaco Lubritorium - :p

Tuckerfan
02-16-2007, 01:47 AM
Please tell me this footage is available on video, somewhere.It should be, I saw it on a Hitler History Channel program about GWC.

Vlad/Igor, I've been there once, briefly. I was planning on starting a thread about my trip there, but I got home and found out that my digital camera had screwed up and I didn't get most of the photos that I wanted. I don't recall seeing the Czech ambulance you mention, so I'm guessing they're not done with it. (They did have a bunch of Tatras and a really freakin' huge amphibious landing craft on display.) Hopefully, I'll be able to convince a buddy of mine with a good digital camera to go to the place with me and take some pictures of the stuff that's there.

Oh, and I just found out that the Fascination cars still exist (two of them, at any rate) and happen to be owned by someone who also owns a Tucker! :cool:

Tuckerfan
03-16-2007, 02:51 AM
A rather nifty steam powered bicycle. (http://patentpending.blogs.com/patent_pending_blog/2007/03/copeland_steam_.html)In 1884, Arizona engineer Lucius Day Copeland combined a highwheeled bicycle driven by levers, with a small steam engine, with the result being a steam powered motorcycle. I know that a bicycle with a large front wheel is called a "pennyfarthing," but I've no idea what you call one with a large rear wheel.

Ranchoth
03-16-2007, 06:47 AM
A rather nifty steam powered bicycle. (http://patentpending.blogs.com/patent_pending_blog/2007/03/copeland_steam_.html)I know that a bicycle with a large front wheel is called a "pennyfarthing," but I've no idea what you call one with a large rear wheel.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Rat Fink riding one of those. ;)

Tuckerfan
07-29-2007, 09:11 AM
I've always wondered if an external combustion plane could be made, I've even considered starting a GQ on it. thanks!

Brian
And thanks to the wonders of the intarwebs, you can see the plane in action! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA)

Ranchoth, here's the clip (http://youtube.com/watch?v=bxlj6fgQ-ZU) of Ford's plastic car with Ford hitting it. According to the narrator, the plastic is made from hemp, which conflicts with my memory, but who knows?

straight man
07-29-2007, 09:23 PM
Whoever linked to http://www.darkroastedblend.com, you're my new hero! I'm at home sick, and this blog just made my day!

Yes, I do like to collect interesting internet photos, thanks for asking. :)

Lute Skywatcher
07-29-2007, 09:51 PM
Lots of people hate SUVs because they're big, ugly, and use too much gas. Well, just be glad that Ford's concept (in 1911) of what a car in 1961 would look like (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/11fordad.jpg) never came to pass. :eek:Looks like the stretched version of a sports car that I saw in MAD once.If showing your irritating cow-irker the hybrid from the 80s doesn't shut them up, then show them this British built car (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/runtmobile.jpg) from the 1950s which got 100 MPG, of course it only seats one.My god, it's the Cyclops! I thought that was just an April Fool's joke from Car & Driver!

Lute Skywatcher
07-29-2007, 10:11 PM
This has to be the ultimate dirt bike (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tractorbike.jpg). Instead of a rear tire, it's got a caterpillar tread system.Replace the front tire with skis and you get a 1930s snowmobile.

Tuckerfan
07-29-2007, 10:36 PM
Whoever linked to http://www.darkroastedblend.com, you're my new hero! I'm at home sick, and this blog just made my day!

Yes, I do like to collect interesting internet photos, thanks for asking. :)
Wow! Thanks. This page (http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/04/worlds-strangest-vehicles.html) and this one (http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/07/worlds-strangest-vehicles-part-2.html) both are chok-a-blok with oddball stuff.

Tuckerfan
08-13-2007, 12:49 AM
A bump, because I've found a whole bunch of pages that Wile E. Coyote would love. Back in the 1960s, there was a company called Turbonique (http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2006/04/the_real_acme.html). To say that they had an "interesting" product line is putting it mildly. JATO jets for your car (http://static.flickr.com/45/119673134_0898423e2b_o.jpg) interesting. Rocket powered rear end, interesting. (http://www.almar.easynet.be/turbonique.htm) Rocket powered go karts that would do 160 MPH interesting! (http://www.vaiden.net/rocket_gokart.html) :eek: :eek: :eek:

In poking around on the web, I've managed to find part of their catalog on the web. (http://turbonique.tripod.com/) They've long since gone under, but you can buy copies of their technical manual on-line. (http://www.the-rocketman.com/turbonique.html) According to that site, it has everything you need to know to build your own rocket powered car. :cool: It does, however, appear to be lacking information on how to obtain fuel for them. thankfully, this site appears to have the necessary instructions on how to make it. (http://www.roguesci.org/megalomania/explo/NPN.html) :D

Wonder if you could get a tax credit for owning an "alternative fueled vehicle" if you used this stuff? ;)

E-Sabbath
08-13-2007, 11:03 AM
Ah, the old Black Widow. You never heard of Turbonique before, Tucker? Try searching, we've covered it. It's right up there with the Vespa with the 75mm recoilless rifle mounted as one of my favorite odd vehicles. Near as I can tell, NASA wanted civilian spinoffs of the space program as fast as possible. I think the rocket powered supercharger is my favorite. To HELL with Nitrous!

Oh, and for some concepts that I favor
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/01/12/hyanide-and-baal-all-terrain-motorcycles/

The Kettenkrad lives!

Tuckerfan
08-14-2007, 03:53 AM
Those are some pretty neat looking bikes. Sadly, I think they'll probably end up like the Ducatti (IIRC) prototypes I saw about 10 years ago that resembled the lightcycles from Tron and never be made. :(

Just found out about this today. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=470818&in_page_id=1965) It's a car that has tires made from potatoes, of all things.The tyres are made of potatoes and the brake pads from ground cashew shells.


The body was created from hemp and rapeseed oil, and it runs on fuel made from fermented wheat and sugar beet.

Yet despite the greenest of credentials, this mean machine is capable of a highly-impressive 150mph.

The one-seater racing car - called Eco One - has been built by experts from Warwick University to dispel the perception that 'green' motoring means dull little electric runarounds or filling your fuel tank with chip fat.

E-Sabbath
08-14-2007, 04:58 AM
http://www.harbay.net/henryford.html

Eh, it's been done before. :)