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watermind
11-20-2005, 08:28 PM
If the actors are getting paid for a sex scene, why isn't that illegal in states that have laws against prostitution?

Marley23
11-20-2005, 08:31 PM
They'd have to be having real sex, for starters.

WhyNot
11-20-2005, 08:39 PM
There have been a number of threads on this, and the short answer is: because both (or all) actors having sex are paid. Therefore, it's not prostitution, it's acting. Only if one of the actors was paying another actor would it be filmed prostitution.

I guess that means technically you can't be producer and actor on the same porn shoot, but there's probably creative bookkeeping to work around that as well.

WhyNot
11-20-2005, 08:47 PM
Some (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=335905&highlight=porn+prostitution) previous (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=295825&highlight=porn+prostitution) threads (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=261556&highlight=porn+prostitution) on (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=171970&highlight=porn+prostitution) this (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=165867&highlight=porn+prostitution) topic. (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=162039&highlight=porn+prostitution)

ultrafilter
11-20-2005, 08:49 PM
It's not because both actors are being paid, it's because they're being paid to *act*, not just to have sex. It's a fine distinction, but that's what the law's all about.

Boo Boo Foo
11-20-2005, 09:10 PM
If memory serves me correctly, the famous love scene between Richard Gere and Deborah Winger in "Officer and a Gentleman" was the real deal - as in, "a Closed Set" as they say in the business. I'm pretty sure that "Closed Sets" are rather uncommon in most films. Despite the reputation, I'd say a sizeable percentage of actors are in happy monogamous relationships so "doing the real deal" is probably not all that common at all I'd suggest.

Gfactor
11-20-2005, 09:42 PM
Here is an interesting twist on the typical discussion, which usually centers on the Calfornia case, People v. Freeman (http://online.ceb.com/calcases/C3/46C3d419.htm). Freeman held that "the Defendant, a porn producer, had not paid the acting fees for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification, his own or the actors."

Mr. Bates, the so-called Video Vigilante (a prostitution opponent who films prostitutes and their customers ), was charged with pandering for allegedly paying a prostitute $40 to perform public sex acts so that he could film them.

http://www.altweeklies.com/gyrobase/AltWeeklies/Story?oid=oid%3A150188

Exapno Mapcase
11-20-2005, 09:57 PM
If memory serves me correctly, the famous love scene between Richard Gere and Deborah Winger in "Officer and a Gentleman" was the real deal - as in, "a Closed Set" as they say in the business. I'm pretty sure that "Closed Sets" are rather uncommon in most films. Despite the reputation, I'd say a sizeable percentage of actors are in happy monogamous relationships so "doing the real deal" is probably not all that common at all I'd suggest.
I'd say it's non-existent on mainstream movie sets on which the sex is supposed to be faked, including on Officer and a Gentlemen. Despite various rumors, I know of no authenticated cases in which the sex act occurred. Do you have any kind of a reliable cite for this one being the real deal?

Muffin
11-20-2005, 10:16 PM
I'd say it's non-existent on mainstream movie sets on which the sex is supposed to be faked, including on Officer and a Gentlemen. Despite various rumors, I know of no authenticated cases in which the sex act occurred. Do you have any kind of a reliable cite for this one being the real deal?The film "Intimacy" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256103/
Note, however, that this is a British film by a French director. The USA is too religious to produce this sort of film.

Exapno Mapcase
11-20-2005, 10:34 PM
I honestly thought I had put in more qualifiers than anyone would need to get the hint, but I guess that's simply impossible in the online world.

Intimacy's sex is deliberately visible onscreen. It is not faked sex in which the actors got real with one another anyway. See the difference?

Wendell Wagner
11-20-2005, 11:45 PM
According to some news stories, not only did Winger and Gere not have real sex in the filmed sex scenes, but she couldn't stand him:

http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/story1c021902.html

MEBuckner
11-21-2005, 02:25 AM
Some (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=335905&highlight=porn+prostitution) previous (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=295825&highlight=porn+prostitution) threads (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=261556&highlight=porn+prostitution) on (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=171970&highlight=porn+prostitution) this (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=165867&highlight=porn+prostitution) topic. (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=162039&highlight=porn+prostitution)
Perhaps we need a sticky thread on this.

(If you'll pardon the expression.)

Valgard
11-21-2005, 02:43 AM
I'd say it's non-existent on mainstream movie sets on which the sex is supposed to be faked, including on Officer and a Gentlemen. Despite various rumors, I know of no authenticated cases in which the sex act occurred. Do you have any kind of a reliable cite for this one being the real deal?

Would you count "The Brown Bunny"? Chloe Sevigny performs oral sex on Vincent Gallo onscreen.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0330099/trivia

Southessex
11-21-2005, 08:14 AM
How about Wild Orchid? It's been the subject of rumors for years - Mickey Rourke and Carré Otis were dating at the time, so it's not outside the realm of possibility. Seems like it wouldn't be difficult to actually have sex but use camera angles to keep it in the "R" range.