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Shakes
11-29-2005, 06:37 AM
Ok, Lets say everbody on the planet dies except for us Dopers here on the board. Kind of like Stephen King's "The Stand" style.

How prosperous a life could we lead?

First I guess we'd have to decide what types of professionals we would need to keep us going. I know we have a few doctors on this board so we're good there.

What about stuff like, some one to run the electrical plant?

Teachers to teach our children? (Doper children get to live BTW)

Mechanics?

Farmers?

What else?

I'm a technician myself, so I guess I could fix everybodies electical appliances. [shrugs]

So what about YOU? What will YOU contribute to the New SDMB World Order?

I'm so hopping we have prostitute Dopers on this board. You know just in case I don't meet the love of my life

Dunderman
11-29-2005, 06:46 AM
What about stuff like, some one to run the electrical plant?
Una Persson.
So what about YOU? What will YOU contribute to the New SDMB World Order?
Not much, I'm afraid. I'd have to be somebody's assistant. I'm bright and a quick learner, so I could do pretty much anything if instructed, but I don't really have many skills that would help a postapocalyptic society.

Stark Raven Mad
11-29-2005, 06:52 AM
I have an encyclopedic knowledge of bad jokes. I could be court jester. I also have some knowledge of acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine, albeit I doubt I could recognize useful herbs (in their natural state). Beating up animals for their body parts should be no problem, though.

Lsura
11-29-2005, 06:55 AM
Librarian - sure some might say we're not necessary, that everything's online. But remember, in the post-apocalypse, the internet will only exist if we make it exist.

And I know how to find information - so when you need to know how to do stuff, that's when I come in really useful.

Malacandra
11-29-2005, 08:28 AM
C'moffit. Granted the presence of the necessary skills among the Dopers, what are the odds of getting the necessary cooperation out of them? Hand any two randomly-selected posters a short length of rope, and five'll get you ten they'll start hauling in opposite directions before you can say knife. Talk about "herding cats".

DeadlyAccurate
11-29-2005, 08:35 AM
Computer programmer and writer. I guess I'd either be a scribe, or more likely, a farmhand.

msmith537
11-29-2005, 09:08 AM
So what about YOU? What will YOU contribute to the New SDMB World Order?
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Synergy.



First of all, it seems like half the people on this board have enough trouble getting their own lives together, let alone rebuilding society.

Secondly, I would guess that if we are forced to keep our pre SDMB jobs, we would be too heavily skewed in the tech, academic and white collar sectors and not enough in the agriculture, construction and manufacturing to keep a society functioning properly.

chrisk
11-29-2005, 09:12 AM
Computer programmer and writer. I guess I'd either be a scribe, or more likely, a farmhand.

Another programmer... but I think I might make a pretty good cook. ;)

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 09:13 AM
I am a bit of a jack of all trades. I can do wood working, electrical work, electronics, computer programming and building, pneumatic controls, some plumbing and auto repair (but only on older cars). I can maintain and sail boats. I might be able to get a simple marine engine running. I can fix mechanical clocks. I build toys from scraps. I could teach math and history and computers. I could re-learn to weld again quickly. I can shoot a bow and if needed our many hunters could train me with a gun. I learn quickly.
I would be best utilized on the repair, build and warehousing functions.

I have a little knowledge on everything and a large collection of reference books.

Jim

Sophistry and Illusion
11-29-2005, 09:48 AM
I'm a philosopher, so I can contribute...um...I guess I'd be the one you guys ate once you ran out of food.

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 09:51 AM
I'm a philosopher, so I can contribute...um...I guess I'd be the one you guys ate once you ran out of food.
Are you able bodied? We will need farmers and laborers and apprentices.

Jim

twickster
11-29-2005, 09:55 AM
My puzzle and editing skills may not do much good -- but I'm a gardener (as are a whole bunch of us), so we can contribute by growing food.

Jonathan Chance
11-29-2005, 09:56 AM
Yeah, it's the farming and livestock handling that would finish us.

Me? I do periodicals. I could run the newsletter.

RandMcnally
11-29-2005, 09:56 AM
Beating up animals for their body parts should be no problem, though.


That's pretty much it. Oh, and I'd be able to able to fight in the civil war that will eventually happen.

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 09:58 AM
Huh. I might actually be able to contribute. I can make the following staples from scratch:

Cheese
Butter
Yogurt
Bread (rotis, etc)

So all those skills would not be lost. I'm a great organizer, it's what I do at work, so I could help organize the society, and I can usually get my views across without upsetting people (good charisma).

Malacandra
11-29-2005, 10:20 AM
My professional skills wouldn't be of much use, but I am a better than average liar-to-children and I also have some home winemaking equipment and a fair knowledge of how to use it. Beer would call for a little experimentation and a grain supply; I know roughly what's meant to happen, but it might take a harvest or two before I really crack it. And Anaamika and I could borrow yeast off each other. Oh, yes, that whole bread thing too.

John Carter of Mars
11-29-2005, 10:21 AM
Yeah, it's the farming and livestock handling that would finish us.

Piece 'o cake. I've spent a lifetime in farming and livestock production. I'm looking through my window at a pasture full of cattle and horses even as we speak, and managed a large hog farm for several years.

Now, about the dancing girls.....?

twickster
11-29-2005, 10:25 AM
Now, about the dancing girls.....?

Damn, and here I deliberately left out my tap-dancing skills... ;)

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 10:27 AM
And Anaamika and I could borrow yeast off each other.

....Ew. Sounds gross, doesn't it?


The only thing I'd need is for someone else to grow the wheat or grain or whatever. I'm not much of a farmer.

I also have a HUGE repository of good stories to tell children. Mostly about Indian culture, but I would think at that point we wouldn't care. And I'm really good at taking care of children, and to be honest, if you're going to repopulate the earth, you need all the women you can get, right? We can get by with a few men (lucky guys) but we'll need lots of different women.

And John Carter, I volunteer to be one of the dancing girls. :D

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 10:28 AM
Sorry about the duplicate post, but it occurs to me - we wouldn't need the lawyers at all, would we? Shoot 'em!


And do we keep spouses who are not technically Dopers, since we get to keep children?

Uncommon Sense
11-29-2005, 10:33 AM
If you can find someone to keep the power plant going, I'll do the electrical work.
And any other misc. construction type stuff.

Stark Raven Mad
11-29-2005, 10:35 AM
Sorry about the duplicate post, but it occurs to me - we wouldn't need the lawyers at all, would we? Shoot 'em!

Bah. We'd talk you out of it in but a few minutes.

And then send you a bill for the entire hour.


-Stark, who is not actually a lawyer yet.

silenus
11-29-2005, 10:36 AM
Somebody did a listing of Doper occupations recently. It seems we have a fair distribution of skills here. Maybe not all professionally, but we have some gifted amateurs.

There are a few of us who are proficient homebrewers, so getting bombed will always be an option in the New World Order! :D

Dunderman
11-29-2005, 10:46 AM
Now, about the dancing girls.....?
I can't dance and I'm not a girl, but I'm willing to do my part.

Jonathan Chance
11-29-2005, 10:49 AM
Piece 'o cake. I've spent a lifetime in farming and livestock production. I'm looking through my window at a pasture full of cattle and horses even as we speak, and managed a large hog farm for several years.

Now, about the dancing girls.....?

And suddenly he's all lefty and controlling the means of production!

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 10:52 AM
Piece 'o cake. I've spent a lifetime in farming and livestock production. I'm looking through my window at a pasture full of cattle and horses even as we speak, and managed a large hog farm for several years.

Now, about the dancing girls.....?

Sounds like you will be in charge of riding herd over and training a bunch of philosophers, kids and English Majors that donít have any other immediate skills.
Good luck, I think you will have the hardest job.

I enjoy tinkering and building and I would rather do the repair and the building then the running of a power plant, but I was Navy certified to run steam powered Turbo Generators to produce electricity and I might be able to run the boilers but this wasnít in my training.
What we will ideally need is to build our new society around a Nuclear power plant. A single plant would supply energy for our numbers with great ease and far less work than a coal or oil plant. Of course this only buys us 20-30 years to restart Civilization but it beats having no power. I forgot, one of my skills is a vast Sci-Fi knowledge, I could at least present many reasoned approaches to keep the tech going. I believe we would have a very large pool for this skill.
I know we have Doctors available.
A Judiciary headed Bricker and Campion should be fairly balanced and fair minded. I am sure we can round it out with a few more.
I think we have enough techs to run power plants and set up manufacturing.
We will need so pilots for scouting missions and lots of truck drivers to gather up supplies and machine tools.
NJ is a pretty good local; we have access to a Nuke plant and a lot of refine fuel oil and gasoline. Good Ports and plenty of industry left. We have plenty of farming left as the garden state and lots of water.
Where else do we have a good Oil supply and a nuke plant? We might want milder winters. I would stay out of hurricane and earthquake zones.
Minor bonus with NJ, at some point we could approach the ruins of the Statue of Liberty and shout loudly: YOU MANIACS. YOU BLEW IT UP. DAMN YOU. GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL.

Jim

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 10:54 AM
Somebody did a listing of Doper occupations recently. It seems we have a fair distribution of skills here. Maybe not all professionally, but we have some gifted amateurs.

There are a few of us who are proficient homebrewers, so getting bombed will always be an option in the New World Order! :D

You keep us in beer and we will keep you in electricity and tech.

Jim

Malacandra
11-29-2005, 10:59 AM
....Ew. Sounds gross, doesn't it?


The only thing I'd need is for someone else to grow the wheat or grain or whatever. I'm not much of a farmer.

I also have a HUGE repository of good stories to tell children. Mostly about Indian culture, but I would think at that point we wouldn't care. And I'm really good at taking care of children, and to be honest, if you're going to repopulate the earth, you need all the women you can get, right? We can get by with a few men (lucky guys) but we'll need lots of different women.

And John Carter, I volunteer to be one of the dancing girls. :D

1) This is definitely one time when I should have used the fussily-grammatical "borrow from" and not the idiomatic "borrow off". :eek:

2a) Do it. The Ramayana is cool. And I read (a version of) Sohrab and Rustum when I was barely six so I can attest to the value of non-English cultural referents, even if it's a sad story.

2b) Nope, you'll need genetic diversity and a balance of providers to child-bearers, or you'll be stuck starving in a cold cave for millennia.

3) Aside to John Carter, I recommend you take her up on it.

blondebear
11-29-2005, 11:18 AM
I don't know how much value my knowledge of telecommunications would be, but I'll be happy to do clerical/manual labor in service to the community. The one thing I WILL NOT do is attend any weekend BBQ's! :D

krisolov
11-29-2005, 11:28 AM
well, I'd have to dig out my reference materials, but I built roads and bridges while in the army. I could certainly contribute some knowledge there. I build telecom sites now, and am a fair hand at brewing beer too. So hopefully I have enough to keep me from weeding vegetable gardens all day...

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 11:29 AM
I don't know how much value my knowledge of telecommunications would be, but I'll be happy to do clerical/manual labor in service to the community. The one thing I WILL NOT do is attend any weekend BBQ's! :D

Could you help keep a cell phone cell up and running? This would be a huge aid.

Mr. Goob
11-29-2005, 11:46 AM
I can be the #2 to John Carter, I worked on a cattle farm for years. I can maybe beat up an old tractor enough to keep it running.

If I have electric, I'm a machinist by trade and a pretty good carpenter.

If it's got an engine I can drive it, bulldozers and the like to build earthworks to defend from the ravaging mutants.

Trunk
11-29-2005, 11:54 AM
About the only society I'd trust the SDMB to keep going was one the you played online and traded gold for hit points or whatever the fuck it is they do.

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 11:56 AM
Bah. We'd talk you out of it in but a few minutes.

And then send you a bill for the entire hour.


-Stark, who is not actually a lawyer yet.
And what shall I pay you with? Money's not important anymore, is it? Goods and services?

But jrfranchi makes a good point, we could use a judiciary committee. And Bricker would probably be way too fair, not even accepting bribes. *grumble grumble*

Dolores Reborn
11-29-2005, 12:09 PM
I'm a designer of mechanical type stuff. I can cook pretty well. That's about it.

Stark Raven Mad
11-29-2005, 12:14 PM
And what shall I pay you with? Money's not important anymore, is it? Goods and services?

I imagine we'll have to barter and trade for essentials, and for a while, at least until the worst of the looting and destruction is over and we're organized enough to agree on a currency (bottle caps?).

SnakesCatLady
11-29-2005, 12:18 PM
I could assist Vetbridge in taking care of the animals. I know how to garden. I can sew, and have a basic knowledge of weaving. I make good pottery. I have no kids, but Mr. SCL is a nurse - can I keep him?

I also have lots of books to add to the communal library - my vote is Sampiro for librarian.

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 12:22 PM
I imagine we'll have to barter and trade for essentials, and for a while, at least until the worst of the looting and destruction is over and we're organized enough to agree on a currency (bottle caps?).
No way! Leaves, of course - they're on all the trees.

MLS
11-29-2005, 12:25 PM
Will we need programmers or project managers? Systems analysts?
Regardless, you can add me to the bakers and cooks list. I can also care for small groups of children, and can teach -- basic skills to youngsters, literature, history, grammar, programming, web design to the older ones.
I don't suppose there will be much use for crochet or tatting, will there?

Misnomer
11-29-2005, 12:28 PM
Well, I'm a technical writer, so I can write the instructions for everyone else. :D

I'm also a singer and pianist, so I can provide some background music for the dancing girls!

a bunch of philosophers, kids and English Majors that donít have any other immediate skills.(bolding mine)

Bite me. :D ;)

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 12:30 PM
As far as money, we will probably need to be socialist for 5-10 years, maybe longer. I don't think capitalism can come into play to quick, while survival is paramount.

We could probably use people that know how to shear a sheep and prepare the wool for use. I know we have a lot of knitters but do we have anyone who can spin it. If not then hopefully some of the knitters can read up on it and get us going.

Jim

Cornelius Tuggerson
11-29-2005, 12:39 PM
Dunno what else I would do, but my first order of business would be to build a still. Then I'd trade kerosene and gas and grain alchohol for whatever the other dopers had to offer. If all the micro-brewers also come through we should have the alchoholism levels spring back to pre-apocalitpic levels in no time :D

ivylass
11-29-2005, 12:40 PM
I'm a technician myself, so I guess I could fix everybodies electical appliances. [shrugs]



I work in broadcasting, so if you can rig me up a transmitter, I can report on the news and air re-runs of sitcoms and glurgy Lifetime movies.

ladyfoxfyre
11-29-2005, 12:42 PM
Yeah, it's the farming and livestock handling that would finish us.
I dunno, I used to work on a ranch when I lived in CO and am very familiar with herding cattle. I know several other dopers are horse people too, so I think we could figure something out.
As far as my real life job, well, I dispense prescription meds. I dunno how valuable that would be, but I figure we have doctors and probably a pharmacist or two. I'm sure I'd fit in somewhere.

-foxy

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 12:45 PM
I dunno, I used to work on a ranch when I lived in CO and am very familiar with herding cattle. I know several other dopers are horse people too, so I think we could figure something out.
As far as my real life job, well, I dispense prescription meds. I dunno how valuable that would be, but I figure we have doctors and probably a pharmacist or two. I'm sure I'd fit in somewhere.

-foxy
Both useful things! If I am to make butter & milk, I need a cow or 5 and someone who knows how to take care of them.

And we'd need the medications for injuries, and too many people wouldn't know how to dose them.

This is fun. What serious things are we lacking?

Stark Raven Mad
11-29-2005, 12:46 PM
This is fun. What serious things are we lacking?

Government.

alice_in_wonderland
11-29-2005, 12:47 PM
I could give everybody makeovers, and make them feel pretty after a hard day as a farm hand.

Also, if any buracracy were required, I'd be able to manage that as well.

Finally, I tell good jokes.

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 12:48 PM
Government.
I thought we were an autonomous collective?

Seriously, we'd need to hold elections and would need a committee, and not a dictator-for-life.

Gary Robson
11-29-2005, 12:55 PM
Another jack-of-all-trades here.

I'm a professional writer and I own a bookstore - I don't know how useful my bookselling skills would be, but...

* I have cattle, goats, and horses and know a reasonable amount about taking care of them.

* I'm a homebrewer, and I also know just enough about making drinks like mead, cider, and wine to produce something reasonably palatable.

* I used to teach at college level, but I've worked a lot with kids, too.

* I'm pretty good with wood. Used to teach woodworking to 4-H kids and I have a pretty good grasp of carpentry.

* Will our new world order still have technology, or will my previous professions in chip design and software engineering be useless? I suppose the logic analysis part of it will have some use either way.

* I can catch, gut, clean, and cook fish--in fact, there are lots of things I can cook well.

* I used to do a lot of leatherworking (tooling, stitching, cutting, etc.).

* I know enough guitar, piano, and a few other instruments to teach first-year fundamentals to the young 'uns and keep the traditions going

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 01:02 PM
I'm a philosopher, so I can contribute...um...I guess I'd be the one you guys ate once you ran out of food.
Nah, you're probably all thin and gamy. :D

Batsinma Belfry
11-29-2005, 01:02 PM
Both useful things! If I am to make butter & milk, I need a cow or 5 and someone who knows how to take care of them...



I can do that.

And with help I can grow and pick cotton for textiles. Even better, I can teach some young burly men to grow and pick cotton.

silenus
11-29-2005, 01:03 PM
We can be an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We can take turns acting as executive officer for the week.

Kiros
11-29-2005, 01:14 PM
In the type of society we're talking about, benevolent dictator is the only way to go. Of course, an even more fun thing to do would be to go all Plato and build the Republic, complete with philosopher-kings (so the poor philosophers could get the last word, after all!)

Me? My expertise is in economics and politics (pre-law)... so anything useful there is out, unless you want me to help plan the economy. I can do a lot of things decently (cook, hunt as necessary, anything athletic), but really not as well as those people specializing in those things. So I guess I'm either governing or laboring, with little room in between. And I have an idea which one of those I'd end up as. Darn.

Scott Plaid
11-29-2005, 01:15 PM
I haven't spent my whole life on a farm, but I did used to spend summers working on one.

twickster
11-29-2005, 01:20 PM
All these home-brewers and vintners and moonshiners are all very well and good -- but there's gonna be a small but significant recovering community -- including, of course, QtM, on whose good side it would behoove us to remain.

Where's the Diet Dr Pepper gonna come from?

John Carter of Mars
11-29-2005, 01:25 PM
Sounds like we've got all the important stuff covered;

Anaamika and twickster in the chorus line, Misnomer makes the music, and I've heard that Creaky sings some mean karaoke.

There's a couple or three farmers, some carpenters and heavy machinery operators, brewers and distillers and a civil engineer. Many others with various talents. Yep, we've got it made!

If there's to be electricity, gasoline and diesel fuel we can rock on! If not, it'll be a little less pleasant using horses and mules, but we'll make it.

I'd suggest locating somewhere around Baltimore. Good farmland on the DelMarVa peninsula and there will be the bounty of seafood and waterfowl provided by Chesapeake Bay.

Away, come away, there's a wondrous land
For a hopeful heart and a willing hand
Greensleeves, come away with me
And I'll build you a home in the meadow

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
11-29-2005, 01:59 PM
I thought we were an autonomous collective?

Seriously, we'd need to hold elections and would need a committee, and not a dictator-for-life.

Bosda for "Dictator-For-Life".

Vote for me, and I'll only oppress you a leeddle.
Sort of "Dictator Lite".

"Dictator Lite. Tastes great! Fewer purges!

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 02:03 PM
...snip...
I'd suggest locating somewhere around Baltimore. Good farmland on the DelMarVa peninsula and there will be the bounty of seafood and waterfowl provided by Chesapeake Bay.
...snip...
Do we have a Nuke nearby? It really would be helpful.
Are we too big of a community to act as a commune?
What would our numbers be around 15,000 or is it higher?

I kind of like the idea of no one staying in power for long.

We would have to work hard to rescue a lot of tech. What would we rate a higher priority?
Vital : Food growing, prep and preservation.
Hunting and Defense
Shelter & Maintenance
Heating & Power
Vehicles maintenance, we should need to build any for a long time
Education and Training
Maintaining a Hospital
Pharmaceuticals
Scavengers to get finished goods and bring them back for
Warehousing resources
Entertainment
Book Binding
Computers

Jim

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
11-29-2005, 02:10 PM
No, I think the Tennessee Valley offers better prospects.


Fresh water
Coal deposits
Oil, in Kentucky
Farmland
Rivers, for transport.
Less hurricane risk

YaWanna
11-29-2005, 02:11 PM
Even if there is no economy or currency, there must be some use for accounting skills! Eventually, the barter system will not be able to work on a one-to-one basis - how much beer does one trade for a dancing girl's services, and what if she's not a beer-drinker, etc. How do you keep track of supplies in a warehouse, etc.

I hope I would be able to earn my keep - I'm sure as hell not a breeder or a feeder.

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 02:16 PM
Even if there is no economy or currency, there must be some use for accounting skills! Eventually, the barter system will not be able to work on a one-to-one basis - how much beer does one trade for a dancing girl's services, and what if she's not a beer-drinker, etc. How do you keep track of supplies in a warehouse, etc.

I hope I would be able to earn my keep - I'm sure as hell not a breeder or a feeder.

Are you willing to learn a new field to supplement the accounting skill?
I think we would all have to learn new things to be fully useful. Warehousing however could be a huge task no matter what form of government we take.

If it is just a mass human die-off and all the material goods of this world are left behind we should have a huge amount of resources for an extended time period.

Jim

YaWanna
11-29-2005, 02:26 PM
Willing? - sure, within limits (I will not babysit children. Period.) But even the ancients had accounting, so it's not like we're talking about telephone sanitizers here.

But many of my skills are broader than just accounting - like organization, data management, etc. I'm sharp, I learn new things pretty quickly. My limitations are mostly physical - I can't lift or carry much, I've got lots of aches & pains & general weaknesses from injuries, etc.

Ethilrist
11-29-2005, 02:36 PM
I don't think we have enough criminals to keep all the cops and lawyers and military types happy.

Who_me?
11-29-2005, 02:51 PM
There's a couple or three farmers, some carpenters and heavy machinery operators, brewers and distillers and a civil engineer. Many others with various talents. Yep, we've got it made!

If there's to be electricity, gasoline and diesel fuel we can rock on! If not, it'll be a little less pleasant using horses and mules, but we'll make it.

I'd suggest locating somewhere around Baltimore. Good farmland on the DelMarVa peninsula and there will be the bounty of seafood and waterfowl provided by Chesapeake Bay.




I'm a security professional, which may not be needed too badly, but I worked on a dairy farm as a kid and I love the woods and am not a bad shot with a rifle (I suck with a bow though). I'm fairly handy at carpentry also. PLUS, I'm already around Baltimore... I'll start scouting sites. ;)

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 02:52 PM
I like the Tennessee Valley region, but to be honest, I'd prefer being in India or something like that. Plenty of ready and available farm land, equipment, etc. True, it's not very modern, but then again, we'd need old-fashioned tools if we didn't have electricity. And their are five rivers in Punjab; we could build fine civilization there methinks.

But OK, TN if you must.

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 03:01 PM
I don't think we have enough criminals to keep all the cops and lawyers and military types happy.
Cops will be out of luck, do we have any?
Lawyers will need to learn and additional trade to go with their knowledge.
The Military get to protect us from dangerous animals and prepare for the unexpected. Alien/Zombie attacks, etc. Mostly they use there non-combat skills.
I suspect criminals will have a tough time of it in a small society.
As I said earlier we can give part time employment to Bricker, Campion and a few others as the Judicial.
Most lawyers will need to go work with John Carter or learn a useful tech skill. I think programmers greatly outnumber the lawyers on this board. We will need to retrain most of them. I suspect this will be our major pool for power plant operations and other tech jobs. Our actual computer need should be greatly reduced. Programmers and Lawyers both have logical minds and above average learning skills. Retraining should be simple.

As far as locations:
Here is a list of US Nuclear Plants
http://www.nucleartourist.com/us/address.htm
Looks like Baltimore is viable. Tennessee has some advantages; I think they have hydro power, which is probably even better than Nuke for our purposes.

Jim

YaWanna
11-29-2005, 03:09 PM
Hey, I just remembered :smack: - I can draw! And paint! Surely Doper Society can use an artist, even if I'm not world-class.

Maastricht
11-29-2005, 03:11 PM
If society came to an end in the Netherlands, I'd know most native plants. What to eat, what to use. I'd contribute salads, and herbs for soups.

I's also contribute rather..eh.. permanent solutions <slighly mad cackle> to problems like Bosda's staying "Dictator-For-Life" for too long.

Aangelica
11-29-2005, 03:13 PM
Weirdly, for a lawyer, I have a lot of odd post-apocalyptic skills.

I can card, spin and weave raw animal hair into fabrics - also dye it. I don't really sew though - only decorative things, which won't be all that useful.

Plus I can grow food and cook it - and preserve excess in various forms.

I can't hunt, but I'm good at fishing - and preserving fish once caught.

Also I'm a fair carpenter - both for buildings and tables and things.

I can throw, fire and glaze pottery (as well as build the equipment necessary to do those things - even in a society that might lack electricity).

I can tend smaller livestock (not cows and horses, but goats and chickens and sheep for sure).

I can use a boat. Without killing myself or others.

I have teaching experience.

I'm useless with anything mechanical or that plugs into a wall, though.

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 03:22 PM
Weirdly, for a lawyer, I have a lot of odd post-apocalyptic skills.

I can card, spin and weave raw animal hair into fabrics - also dye it. I don't really sew though - only decorative things, which won't be all that useful.

Plus I can grow food and cook it - and preserve excess in various forms.

I can't hunt, but I'm good at fishing - and preserving fish once caught.

Also I'm a fair carpenter - both for buildings and tables and things.

I can throw, fire and glaze pottery (as well as build the equipment necessary to do those things - even in a society that might lack electricity).

I can tend smaller livestock (not cows and horses, but goats and chickens and sheep for sure).

I can use a boat. Without killing myself or others.

I have teaching experience.

I'm useless with anything mechanical or that plugs into a wall, though.

I really suspect the carding & spinning will be invaluable and you would have to spend a lot of time teaching. I also believe we will all have to learn some tending skills and carpentry skills. Thankfully I have the last.

My wife has animals skills and pottery skills. I suspect that with the surplus of plastics we won't need pottery for a long time but we better maintain the skill anyway. I would think she would want to learn the carding as she likes to knit.

Jim

Rushgeekgirl
11-29-2005, 03:23 PM
I'll tend to the children!

silenus
11-29-2005, 03:41 PM
In addition to brewing, I have some small skills with firearms and explosives. These will come in handy when we have to defend ourselves from, or need to take over, a neighboring group. Bosda might also find these skills helpful in oppressing the plebes. :D

I also can cook, sew, bake, butcher a pig, start a fire by rubbing two Boy Scouts together, and other basic survival skills. Just don't ask me to deal with cows, other than as hamburger.

Enginerd
11-29-2005, 04:29 PM
I can provide a clean water supply.

I can also run various pieces of construction and farm equipment.

Uncommon Sense
11-29-2005, 04:40 PM
I can provide a clean water supply.



You can make it rain on command? How novel. :D

Sounds like we got ourselves a community.
I forgot to add, I'm also a brewer (of wine) and pretty good with the garden and have been known to repair the hell out of a car every now and then.
Plus, I can help reproduce. In fact, I'll volunteer to be the Chief of Reproduction, or COR.

Enginerd
11-29-2005, 04:49 PM
The brewers get first dibs on clean water. Gotta have our priorities straight. :D

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 04:51 PM
A few more questions:
Will the gene pool be large enough to maintaining standard pairings?
Will we need to have children outside of standard marraige patterns to increase diversity?
Will this cause strife?

Jim

silenus
11-29-2005, 05:10 PM
Will the gene pool be large enough to maintaining standard pairings?
Will we need to have children outside of standard marriage patterns to increase diversity?
Will this cause strife?


No. Yes. Most definately. The way to solve this problem is to wage war on surrounding groups and steal their women!

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 05:12 PM
No. Yes. Most definately. The way to solve this problem is to wage war on surrounding groups and steal their women!

I thought the OP said no other human survivors but the Dopers?

I am trying to run through the scenario and look for holes.

Jim

Queen Tonya
11-29-2005, 05:19 PM
My manufacturing and electrical background won't do much, those are covered pretty well. Retail and customer service skills don't seem very in demand, either.

Has Bricker determined if prostitution is legal in our brave new world yet?

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 05:20 PM
My manufacturing and electrical background won't do much, those are covered pretty well. Retail and customer service skills don't seem very in demand, either.

Has Bricker determined if prostitution is legal in our brave new world yet?

We'll need a lot of electricians. But you can always do both. ;)

Jim

Queen Tonya
11-29-2005, 05:27 PM
15,000 or so, I'm the first to volunteer for the important, uh, hospitality committee, and I'd still have free time?

MLS
11-29-2005, 05:30 PM
You know what we haven't got yet? A plumber. What're we going to do when the drains clog up? Or we need to build new houses?

silenus
11-29-2005, 05:47 PM
I thought the OP said no other human survivors but the Dopers?

The first problem would be getting all of us in one place. Also...how are we defining "members?" Do we count banned posters? How about those who left when we went pay? Guests?

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 06:42 PM
The first problem would be getting all of us in one place. Also...how are we defining "members?" Do we count banned posters? How about those who left when we went pay? Guests?
I don't know the OP is very far fetched. How about we are all flown to a giant Doper Meeting free of charge and so we are all gathered; all current members and their families. Then the mysterious ex-machina act occurs and no one else survives. This will allow all of our overseas dopers to also be gathered with us.
Let's assume the location will be Chicago therefore.
So maybe we should look for a prime location within easy migration of Chicago.
I hate giving up an Ocean but lets go with this scenario as at least it makes a tiny bit of sense.


I can do some plumbing, especially clearing drains. I am sure we must have some others than can. I can sweat a copper pipe and PVC is easy. I can train others.

Jim

KarlGauss
11-29-2005, 06:51 PM
As a well-trained, well-seasoned specialist in Internal Medicine, attempting to work in the absence of both an adequate supply of medicines and any diagnostic tests whatsoever, I would most certainly be of great value as a ... farmhand, or maybe a sheppard (or even a barber!).

Evil One
11-29-2005, 06:58 PM
I work in broadcasting, so if you can rig me up a transmitter, I can report on the news and air re-runs of sitcoms and glurgy Lifetime movies.

I recently got out of the broadcasting business after twenty years. Ten in radio and ten in TV. What do you do, Ivylass? I was a producer, so I guess I could produce the newscasts that you can read. We can train some of the others as a studio crew pretty quickly.

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 06:59 PM
Er...why Chicago? I would really prefer to be near an ocean, and it kinda seems like you picked Chicago out of the blue? Why not NYC or San Francisco?

lizardling
11-29-2005, 07:28 PM
Lessee.

I already know a little about spinning, crocheting, and knitting, so I can help Aangelica learn/teach the fiber arts to others. Sewing makes me nuts, though. And I'm a technical writer, I can explain things in small words if you can give me the specs, but that won't help too much in the Brave New World.

I can help with the animal tending and cooking if you give me directions, I learn reasonably well. I'd have to be one of the warm ablebodied folks in general. Hospitality committee might be fun, though.

I'm with Anaamika on the why question -- the Fertile Crescent was near India, after all.

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 07:29 PM
Ooo! I can sew too. And of course cook. And I know I'd be a great mom, once I got down to it - just not willing to do it IRL.

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 07:31 PM
Er...why Chicago? I would really prefer to be near an ocean, and it kinda seems like you picked Chicago out of the blue? Why not NYC or San Francisco?
Chicago is the home base of the Straight Dope. "Chicago Reader" host the boards. I wouldn't choose Chicago either, I was just trying to determine where we would all meet.
If I was writing the scenario, I would have the Doper convention be in NYC. I am sure everyone would have a different choice. I would be happy to go with NYC.
We should easily be able to get to many good sites from there.

I think saying Chicago because that where the Reader is fit the expansion of the scenario and removes debates. We could each name a favored area. Let go with one nobody will like so we will be forced to move south and maybe east. ;)

Jim

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 07:33 PM
As a well-trained, well-seasoned specialist in Internal Medicine, attempting to work in the absence of both an adequate supply of medicines and any diagnostic tests whatsoever, I would most certainly be of great value as a ... farmhand, or maybe a sheppard (or even a barber!).

Sounds like you could take up being a GP or Vet in a pinch and with a lot of books. We'll need plenty of both with dwindling supplies of Medicines.

Jim

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 07:33 PM
I actually don't think NYC would work either - no farmland. I still maintain the Tennessee Valley if it has to be the States, but I see no reason why it should be. I'd really prefer it to be a warmer country so one major problem is gone - surviving the winters. And with lots and lots of farmland.

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 07:36 PM
I actually don't think NYC would work either - no farmland. I still maintain the Tennessee Valley if it has to be the States, but I see no reason why it should be. I'd really prefer it to be a warmer country so one major problem is gone - surviving the winters. And with lots and lots of farmland.
I know this is hard to believe but a large part of NJ is very fertile farmland.
But lets start in Chicago and have to load up trucks and buses for Tennessee and its TVA hydro power.

Jim

carlotta
11-29-2005, 07:41 PM
I'm pretty good at bearing children and birthing them with little outside help. Prolly I could offer some kind of assistance to other women in birth.

I'm also pretty good at tending the little critters singly and in bunches. And as far as lactating goes, I could probably provide the whole colony with all the wet nurse services necessary (for the babies you perverts!)

I don't mind doing monotonous tasks that must be repeated over and over, like cleaing up the dishes and doing the laundry.

I can sing OK and know parts of many songs.

As a passionate yard sale and thrift store hound, I think my true calling after the apocalypse would be scavenging. mmmm....sifting through other people's random stuff....bliss!

krisolov
11-29-2005, 07:57 PM
oh yeah, I should add that I've done a bit of electrical and plumbing work, but am in no way a professional. Add that to the roads and bridges and I know what I'll be doing. Who wants to come work on my road crew?

Ludovic
11-29-2005, 08:23 PM
As a programmer, I'd make a great farmer ;)

No, like others have mentioned, I do pick up easily on things intellectual, so wouldn't do very bad in many things engineering or mechanical. I'm just glad plumbing's already been taken. And bootstrap societys run on jury-rigged stuff, which programmers naturally excel at (remind me to tell you sometime about how I used a tennis racket to help change a car tire).

In my spare time between patching Aunt Mae's house for the 14th time and weeding the garden I could be a bureaucrat. I'm good at achieving a rules compromise if people genuinely desire one. I mean, I'm a programmer, programmers are gamers, games have rules, and rules have loopholes. I can design rules that people can live with yet close the most egregious loopholes. Plus, I've never been accused of being impartial. (Now, if people decide to break the rules, hey, that's not my problem ;))

I'd volunteer to babysit as well, but I can't handle more than 3 children, and that only if it's exactly two girls and a boy. Two boys or three girls causes excessive rowdiness.

Hostile Dialect
11-29-2005, 08:24 PM
Less hurricane risk

I lived in the Chesapeake Bay area for ten years and never heard a thing about hurricanes. A couple of states south, maybe.

FWIW, we had tornado drills in elementary school, and the teachers would tell us about some tornado that came through decades ago or something. Other than that, I don't think Maryland is much at risk for natural disasters. The land is fertile, and there's lots of tobacco, so we can even head off nicotine cravings.

I'm a Chemistry student. I haven't even started any of my major classes, so my valuable skills would be somewhere around zero. I have some physical problems, too. I make friends easily, so maybe I'd have some use in government or diplomacy. I used to be in the Boy Scouts; I don't remember much of anything I learned there, but I'd bet I have enough basic concepts to keep a couple of people from doing stupid things in the wilderness. Being young and virile, I could also help with the reproduction.

California is proven farmland, and assuming that it's only the humans that don't die off, we've got LOTS AND LOTS of cows and facilities for same. Lots of other resources, too; it's oft-cited that if California were its own country its economy would rank in the top five or ten. Now, granted, the entertainment industry is a big chunk of that, but we also build communications satellites, weapons, etc. and farm lots of vegetables and meat-carriers.

Oh yeah, and we've got some of them nukes too.

jsgoddess
11-29-2005, 08:37 PM
I spent many years in the oil patch, so I can keep an oil well and gas lines running.

Er, I know how to make glass.

That's about it.

RickJay
11-29-2005, 08:49 PM
I know this is hard to believe but a large part of NJ is very fertile farmland.
It's also murderously cold four months a year. I think what was being suggested was finding a place that's good farmland AND isn't freezing in winter. Parts of India would fit the bill, as would many places in Africa.

Shakes
11-29-2005, 08:56 PM
I thought the OP said no other human survivors but the Dopers?

I am trying to run through the scenario and look for holes.

Jim

[evil grins]

I'm thinking the rule with signigant other is:

Doper guys can bring their wives or SO .

Doper women?? eh,, first we have to see if we are in ample supply of women or not. If there happens to be a shortage of women? Sorry but your hubby is SO comming down with the plague... :D

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 09:05 PM
It's also murderously cold four months a year. I think what was being suggested was finding a place that's good farmland AND isn't freezing in winter. Parts of India would fit the bill, as would many places in Africa.
Tenn. fits your requirements and still allows for good scanvenging.


SHAKES: You should be the final arbitrator on this as its your thread. Where do we start?

Ludovic
11-29-2005, 09:12 PM
I forgot to mention that if the settlement were in upstate NY, I know the geography of it well enough to make a decent outdoorsman. But if you can tolerate the cold and relative sterility of it*, you may as well pick Pennsylvania as it has more fossil fuels (at least in oil and coal, NY has boatloads of natural gas, but I dunno if that's easier or harder for a society to build up on.)

Plus Penn has fewer earthquakes (:o)

*Actually there are very many farms, dairy farms, vineyards, and orchards there, but I presume that if it were more fertile, it would be entirely farms.

Shakes
11-29-2005, 09:14 PM
Tenn. fits your requirements and still allows for good scanvenging.


SHAKES: You should be the final arbitrator on this as its your thread. Where do we start?

I appreciate the vote of confidence but I'm not sure I'm qualified to make this decision.

Personally, I'd like to be somewhere where it's warm year around. I'd also like to stay close to technology since we do seemingly have the Dopers to keep it going.
I agree farmland would be important also as well as hunting and raising cattle type stuff.


What about pilots though? I think that would be a BIG help to our society..

danceswithcats
11-29-2005, 09:18 PM
With farming going on, you'll need to keep vermin away from the stores. I'll lead my furry friends in that endeavor, and also assist with all the construction stuff, vehicle maintenance, and head up fire safety activities.

ZebraShaSha
11-29-2005, 09:21 PM
What do we do with guests? Do we ban members of this society? Are there trolls? Talking socks? Will it end up feudalistic, with mods as the knights and the admins as the lords of the manors? Is there to be a tax for new members, depending on when they accepted their citizenry?

The finer points need grinding.

John Carter of Mars
11-29-2005, 09:40 PM
And with help I can grow and pick cotton for textiles. Even better, I can teach some young burly men to grow and pick cotton.

If you've picked cotton, that probably makes a total of two of us on the SDMB that have done so. Maybe Sampiro has....

It's to be hoped that the chemical engineer types can get us enough diesel fuel to run a cotton picker, 'cause I damn sure ain't pickin' no cotton, never again! I'll plant it and grow it, but I hope I've done the last hand picking of cotton that I'll ever do.

I think the location needs to be near an ocean. There's too much food resource there to ignore. Salt can become a precious commodity inland, and it's needed for preserving food and other things.
Too far north and half of us will be cutting firewood all year to keep the community warm in the winter. Too far south and people and animals will encounter parasite problems that there won't be treatments for. Remember, there might not be air conditioners... :eek:



What about pilots though? I think that would be a BIG help to our society..

We've got broomstick, if you're sure there are gonna be airplanes.

I was riding around this afternoon thinking about this thread, and it struck me that we'd really need some weavers, knitters and people that can turn animal skin into clothing. Sure enough, some that can do those things turned up! We could make it!

I read once in some sci-fi book that a breeding population of 500 would be necessary to colonize a new world. No idea if that's accurate or not, but with about 4,000 dopers here, we've got that covered.

jsgoddess
11-29-2005, 09:45 PM
Someone tell me my skills are useful or I'm leaving in a huff and starting my own commune. Just me and my gas.

(Well, that didn't sound right, did it?)

FaerieBeth
11-29-2005, 09:51 PM
Since the spinners and weavers are bowing out of the sewing, I'll offer myself as a seamstress. My talents tend toward period garb and full body animal costumes, though, so we may be a weird looking group.

John Carter of Mars
11-29-2005, 09:55 PM
I spent many years in the oil patch, so I can keep an oil well and gas lines running.

Er, I know how to make glass.

That's about it.

Those skills will be very useful! The glass making alone makes you a valued member. Besides, we can't have a GODDESS bailing out on us, can we? :D

jsgoddess
11-29-2005, 09:56 PM
Ooh, sweet, sweet validation.

For once, I won't be picked last for a team! Woo! :D

Shakes
11-29-2005, 09:58 PM
I spent many years in the oil patch, so I can keep an oil well and gas lines running.

Er, I know how to make glass.

That's about it.

Of course how could this NOT be important? What, with all the brewmasters we have; we're going to need plenty of glasses to pour the beer and wine in... :D


OH, and I guess keeping the vehicles filled with gas might help a little....


But just a little.... ;)

Anaamika
11-29-2005, 10:01 PM
I can knit...not all that great, but I'm sure I could work on it with time!

What Exit?
11-29-2005, 10:05 PM
Ooh, sweet, sweet validation.

For once, I won't be picked last for a team! Woo! :D
Sorry jsgoddess, I assumed you knew that your skills would be invaluable.
Glass Blowing especially is a rare skill this day and while our generation may not have a huge need for it, our kids would.

Jim

Rysdad
11-29-2005, 10:42 PM
I'll take the x-rays so the docs can decide if your broken legs/arms are worth saving. I can also scrub in and hand them the sterile instruments like the Fernston Doohickey, the Double Bronson Thingamy, and the Blorge Retractor whilst they poke and probe your innards.

Otanx
11-29-2005, 10:54 PM
I could sanitize telephone handsets. Don't want to die out because of a plauge transmitted by them. I am just another computer geek, but have basic training in military maters. Need security?

-Otanx

Stark Raven Mad
11-29-2005, 11:05 PM
I could sanitize telephone handsets. Don't want to die out because of a plauge transmitted by them.

We also need someone to defend against the enormous mutant star goat. :D

clairobscur
11-30-2005, 12:32 AM
I'm affraid my competences wouldn't be of any use in a post-apocalyptic society....



Though I could collect actually edible mushrooms during the season. That's about the only useful thing I can think of.

jsgoddess
11-30-2005, 12:37 AM
Sorry jsgoddess, I assumed you knew that your skills would be invaluable.
Glass Blowing especially is a rare skill this day and while our generation may not have a huge need for it, our kids would.

Oh dear. Well, um, now I'm embarrassed to say that I don't know how to make things with glass (other than fiberglass, woo!), I just know how to make glass.

But it can't be that hard, right? *crickets*

Am I still invited?

clairobscur
11-30-2005, 12:40 AM
Oh! And if there's a shortage of guns, and someone could make me a bow, I could give it a try, too...

Telperien
11-30-2005, 02:03 AM
I can tend to kids, keep accounts, and assist in most endeavors that don't require too much precision. (I'm a nearsighted klutz, so my only hope is to make myself useful enough that no one wants to get rid of me.) I'm also pretty good at getting people to do stuff--I could be the one who makes people do stuff they'd rather not. Is there a name for that?

I mean, besides "Mom." :D

(No disrespect to the mothers, or anyone else.)

Normal Saline
11-30-2005, 07:05 AM
Well, I'm a nurse, so I guess if you accept a guest, I could assist the doctors on board. I already have one son, in the 95th percentile for height and 75th for weight, so I am a producer of sturdy children. (And no pesky SO to interfere with genetic diversity) Im pretty nifty with a vegetable garden, can crochet scarves ( and not much else...) I can build shelters out of tree branches or snow blocks, and I read all the Little House on the Prairie books, so I could probably help with doing things pioneer-style.

So, can I survive? Huh, huh? Please...

Remember, Im a nurse in the under funded health care system and a single Mom. I've done so much with so little for so long, now I can do almost anything with nothing at all!

Malacandra
11-30-2005, 08:06 AM
Guys (and gals), come back to the mother country for the climate. Twenty Fahrenheit is considered ridiculously cold, we are proverbial for our adequate rainfall, we don't roast in summer (but can have sixteen hours of daylight), and sheep and cattle thrive here. Also we have no large carnivores and are short on horrible parasites.

In addition to my amateur teaching and brewing skills, I play a mean game of Medieval: Total War and have read Janissaries several times, so when the hi-tech weaponry all gets broken, I'll be right there with ancient-warfare tactics to keep the barbarian hordes at bay (or pillage our neighbours and rap^H^H^Henlist their women).

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
11-30-2005, 08:32 AM
If Tennessee is the site, then I recommend Chattanooga.

It has


A large TVA dam
Active/abandoned industrial sites
machine shops
access to river transport
Farmland, north of the Cumberland River
Not too far from the ocean, if we really need to go there
within travel range of oil/coal deposits
A variety of defensible positions.
Remarkable biodiversity

Clothahump
11-30-2005, 10:10 AM
Well, we'll need to protect ourselves from outsiders who will want to rip off our SDMB goodies. I'll do the combat training.

Anaamika
11-30-2005, 10:20 AM
Well, we'll need to protect ourselves from outsiders who will want to rip off our SDMB goodies. I'll do the combat training.
But there won't be any! Only Dopers survive.

Unless...some Dopers decide to form their own splinter colony. :dubious:

Anaamika
11-30-2005, 10:23 AM
Guys (and gals), come back to the mother country for the climate. Twenty Fahrenheit is considered ridiculously cold, we are proverbial for our adequate rainfall, we don't roast in summer (but can have sixteen hours of daylight), and sheep and cattle thrive here. Also we have no large carnivores and are short on horrible parasites.


Look, we broke away from you once, silly limeys. Don't think you can persuade, cajole or otherwise find a way for us to come back to you. Rain, cold and YUCK.


Damn Brits. *grumble grumble*

Sunspace
11-30-2005, 10:25 AM
I'm another technical writer, and I can draw, so I can help out with the instructions.

But more importantly, I know how to build solar-heated houses that need little auxiliary heat. Their only critical material needs for building are large windows and plastic vapour barriers, although cement for concrete would be very appreciated; we can fake all the rest with rammed earth walls, straw-bale insulation, and wooden roofs. :)

I also have information about permaculture, though, depending on the chosen location, we'd need a lot of experimentation to get our Fruitful Designed Ecosystems up and running.

I can also do ham radio and TV.

(Glass. Cement. I think I know where all that natural gas would come in useful...)

silenus
11-30-2005, 11:07 AM
Oh! And if there's a shortage of guns, and someone could make me a bow, I could give it a try, too...

I think we have the weaponry (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=347095) covered. :D

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
11-30-2005, 11:11 AM
I think we have the weaponry (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=347095) covered. :D

No.

THIS! (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=41020&highlight=goat+orbit)

Or, possibly, THESE (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279280&highlight=goat+orbit)

:D

nd_n8
11-30-2005, 11:20 AM
It sounds like the overall answer is yes, as much as any group could hammer out a prosperous society, those on this board could certainly give it a good effort.

Personally I've been in manufacturing for about 12 years with a good bit of experience in fabrication, engineering and maintenance. Also, I have been in management for a couple of years so orginizing any of the above efforts would be no problemo.

My SO (Hi Kristi, I Love You dear!!!) and I have a grand total of 7 kids so child care is second nature to us, bring 'em on and we will make a western state a giant day-care. How about Oklahoma? Centrally located and would be one big@zz sandbox.

I do think though, that forming a stable form of government up front is essential, what ever form it may take. Without a common concent of direction our Utopia will slide into a Fruitopia pretty quick. And not one of the good flavors either.

Aangelica
11-30-2005, 11:37 AM
Fortunately for my SO, he's a Doper already.

As a special bonus for me, I've remembered that among my other odd skills I number gemstone prospecting. I can't do anything with em, but when I was a child I made an absurd amount of money doing the prospecting and then flogging them off to unsuspecting tourists for approximately 600% retail.

butler1850
11-30-2005, 11:37 AM
IT Geek here. Good with all systems from Desktop through server, and network, including telephone.

I'm also good with soda machines.

I can hunt (not very good at it at the moment though, still learning), garden, fix many mechancial/electrical items (probably anything, if given enough spare parts, and manuals), brew, cook nearly anything (except any baked good but for bread).

I'd say just based on intelligence of the members, we'd make nearly anything happen.

The problem would come from the politics in a lot of cases... IMO of course...

-Butler

Malacandra
11-30-2005, 11:43 AM
Look, we broke away from you once, silly limeys. Don't think you can persuade, cajole or otherwise find a way for us to come back to you. Rain, cold and YUCK.


Damn Brits. *grumble grumble*

Oh yes? What's the winter like where you're from? Fancy the summers without aircon? Got some objection to sitting up enjoying the summer sunshine until half-past nine?

Besides, yet another of my valuable skills would be teaching cricket to Americans. :p

What Exit?
11-30-2005, 11:44 AM
I'm guessing that between skills possessed and the ability and desire to learn exhibited by the Doper Community, that we may be better suited than most groups of 5000 + families. I would guess that if you took a random town of 5000 to 15000 people they would probably have a smaller overall pool of skills.

I think running and maintaining a Hydro-Power plant would be the easiest way to maintain electrical power.
We should definitely want mild winters and mild summers. Tennessee may be an excellent location and still relatively easy to get additional supplies of all sorts.
We just need to make sure we build our new community on high ground.

Jim

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
11-30-2005, 11:47 AM
I'm guessing that between skills possessed and the ability and desire to learn exhibited by the Doper Community, that we may be better suited than most groups of 5000 + families. I would guess that if you took a random town of 5000 to 15000 people they would probably have a smaller overall pool of skills.

I think running and maintaining a Hydro-Power plant would be the easiest way to maintain electrical power.
We should definitely want mild winters and mild summers. Tennessee may be an excellent location and still relatively easy to get additional supplies of all sorts.
We just need to make sure we build our new community on high ground.

Jim

Lookout Mountain, just outside Chattanooga, high enough for you?

Anaamika
11-30-2005, 11:49 AM
Oh yes? What's the winter like where you're from? Fancy the summers without aircon? Got some objection to sitting up enjoying the summer sunshine until half-past nine?

Besides, yet another of my valuable skills would be teaching cricket to Americans. :p
That's why I said Tennessee or India. Are you slow? It must be terrible to be slow. I'm sorry. :p

And besides, I'm of Indian descent. I've played cricket and even sort of know how it goes. So nyah!

YaWanna
11-30-2005, 12:10 PM
I'm not personally familiar with India, nor much of Tennessee...

Doesn't India have monsoons?!

Anyway, I could happily propose the Oregon Willamette Valley area as an alternate site. Very fertile, grows great wine grapes and hops (!! - needed for beer brewing, y'know), plus lots of other good crops (fruits, veggies, grain). There's the Willamette River and the Columbia River for fishing, transportation (the Port of Portland), etc. The climate is pretty mild year-round - very rarely does it freeze or get sweltering hot, and it really doesn't rain as much as popular myth would have it (oops, now I'm in trouble!). Lots of native game species (deer & elk, for instance), plus dairy cows near the Pacific coast, which isn't that far away, and sheep in the valley. Don't forget all the timber resources nearby. The Bonneville dam is not far for hydro-electric power. In fact, it has most of the assets of Tennessee, but I think maybe a few more, IMNSHO.


Just an ever-so-slightly biased suggestion. ;)

What Exit?
11-30-2005, 12:27 PM
YaWanna : Cool it pays to have multiple locations as possibilities.

Malacandra: What do you have for fuleless Electrical Energy?

What part of the UK? We will want a supply of trees whereever we end up, I think.

Jim

MacTech
11-30-2005, 12:34 PM
No way! Leaves, of course - they're on all the trees.
But there's that *small* inflation problem due to the high level of leaf availability, i mean 3 major deciduous forests for *one* peanut?....

;)

MacTech
11-30-2005, 12:43 PM
My skills? besides being a Mac fanatic? ;)

i can repair computers, so i could pretty much extrapolate on simpler electrical devices
i grew up on a farm, so i could grow crops, i also an an outdoorsman so i could fish and hunt
i'm a decent shot, and have a very draconian view of justice, i could be in the police or millitary force

i can quote entire Monty Python sketches and Douglas Adams quotes from memory, i can compose some reasonably bad Vogon-esque poerty (good for use in that law enforcement thing... "Stop, or i'll read one of my poems at you!")

What Exit?
11-30-2005, 12:52 PM
Yes, but we not telephone cleaners. I donít think we would end up with a leaf based economy.

How would this group ever choose a government? I donít think we have enough ďpathetic sheepĒ willing to follow the herd. It might be our biggest problem.

I really think capitalism will need to be out for an extended period.
Do elect Representatives?
Do we have short terms or long ones?
Do we have a ruling council?
Do we have a separate judiciary?
Do we have an executive branch?
Do we have direct Democracy on all issues?
Can we keep the bureaucracy small?
Do we have trades groups with each trades group having a Rep?
Do we form a multi-party system?
Do we elect a monarch? (shudder)
Can we function as a rational anarchy?

How big of a problem will religion be?
Do we run a radio station or just dig up 10000 Ipods and similar devices?
Do we get an intranet up and running for use as a news service and data storage?
How do we maintain technologies for the day weíve used up already manufactured goods?
Can we make pharmaceuticals?

We will need some people to maintain an apiary for Honey and wax.
We should build a large and veryt well stocked machine and carpentry shop to give us the ability to make replacement parts by hand.

I guess Pot would finally be legalized.

Jim

Hostile Dialect
11-30-2005, 12:56 PM
Now that I think about it, I make a pretty decent leader. I was a patrol leader in Boy Scouts; all the older members of our patrol left to form the Senior Patrol, and I was left with an unruly bunch of little (even for the Boy Scouts) kids who didn't want to do anything; I like to think I shaped it up into a pretty respectable group.

I was also a Dorm Chief in the seperation dorm in Air Force boot camp, which was basically 20 or 30 unruly trainees waiting for paperwork to go through so they could get shipped back home. They didn't do anything right and were a complete frickin' mess, and someone was always getting the whole dorm in trouble. I was made Dorm Chief the day before I was shipped home, and in that one day I put my foot down, straightened the dorm out and had everyone working and getting things done. Other student leaders had a pretty high opinion of me, as did my TIs, who had a lot of praise for my work when they were talking to people other than me.

So I guess I'm good at controlling unruly male peers. If we end up with a bunch of 17-19 year old boys who won't do their part to sustain society, I'm your man.

Oh yeah, as far as the military stuff goes, I haven't touched a rifle or a bow in years, and the last time I fired a shotgun I nearly seperated my shoulder. But I can teach everyone to march in step!

What's the winter like where you're from? Fancy the summers without aircon?

Yup. It's 75F (24C) here in the summer. When fall rolls around, it drops to about 75F (24C). In winter, we fall to around 75F (24C). The spring is a cool 75F (24C). We have the most sunny days per year of any place in the US except Hawaii, and it doesn't get as hot or humid here as it does there.

(OK, so it may drop to 60F (16C) sometimes in winter. But that's not too bad.)

MacTech
11-30-2005, 12:57 PM
Yes, but we not telephone cleaners. I donít think we would end up with a leaf based economy.

How would this group ever choose a government? I donít think we have enough ďpathetic sheepĒ willing to follow the herd. It might be our biggest problem.

We will need some people to maintain an apiary for Honey and wax

Jim

and i can raise and train the dogs with bees in their mouths so when they bark they shoot bees at you...

Hostile Dialect
11-30-2005, 12:57 PM
I guess Pot would finally be legalized.

Now there's a use for glass-making skills! ;j

FlyingRamenMonster
11-30-2005, 01:05 PM
I'm the artist. Y'all have to support me for no reward. :)

What Exit?
11-30-2005, 01:53 PM
I'm the artist. Y'all have to support me for no reward. :)
Right, we got our first volunteer for assistant pig herder. Good job csharpmajor. ;)

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
11-30-2005, 01:55 PM
As for Government, I nominate myself for God-Emperor of the SDMB*.

All in favor--refrain from posting.

*Unless Unca Cecil wants the job.

What Exit?
11-30-2005, 01:59 PM
As for Government, I nominate myself for God-Emperor of the SDMB*.

All in favor--refrain from posting.

*Unless Unca Cecil wants the job.
I sorry, I think "assistant pig herder" is already taken, will you settle for collecting the manure?

A very important job.

Jim

lizardling
11-30-2005, 06:47 PM
I could probably make a good stab at learning how to do the glass-blowing thing. You just need a vat of molten glass, stands, and several metal pipes, doncha? Well, and the mitts and heat-resistant clothing.

Candlemaking would be just my bag, too, once we've got the apiaries going.

Also, for all you guys asking about the pillaging of other womenfolk, what about us single women, eh? Eh? If you get the free ones, we should get to pick some of the menfolk too. :D

Eric Flint's actually already hit the problem of gearing down in his 1632 series, btw.

Malacandra
11-30-2005, 06:59 PM
YaWanna : Cool it pays to have multiple locations as possibilities.

Malacandra: What do you have for fuleless Electrical Energy?

What part of the UK? We will want a supply of trees whereever we end up, I think.

Jim

Electricity? Probably best to knock up a dam of some sort and use hydro power, though where I live is notoriously flat. But there's no shortage of trees on the very edge of Thetford Forest. With some responsible replanting, like what already goes on, a settlement of a few thousand souls need not run out any time soon. Also we have ample supplies of chalk and flint, and some example flint mines to show us how it was done a few millennia ago. England's short on wild game, but we're better placed here than most parts of the UK for nice tasty deer.


That's why I said Tennessee or India. Are you slow? It must be terrible to be slow. I'm sorry.

And besides, I'm of Indian descent. I've played cricket and even sort of know how it goes. So nyah!

India? Where I've heard the seasons described as hot, hotter and hottest? I'd as soon settle for somewhere a little more temperate, ta very much.

And as for cricket, I'm way beyond "sort of know". Some cultural elements just need to be preserved, and I can quote chapter and verse on almost any aspect of the sport.

::files the "slow" crack away for... future reference::

Oh, and I've a good grasp of knotcraft, too.

PapSett
11-30-2005, 07:27 PM
** I'm a helluva good cook. If someone else brings the meat to me , I can turn out tasty dishes for the masses.

** I am a great story-teller/writer. I would be very entertaining.

**I can sew a little. Not my favorite thing in the world, but...

**I can train dogs; this would be very useful if we have Doper Dogs running all around. As a plus, my 2 Gordon Setters are semi-trained bird dogs, and would be very useful in putting dinner on the plate.

**I have experience with horses, having owned and trained in my youth. I have arthritis now and can't ride , but would be ecstatically happy to help with the grooming and feeding. I could give riding lessons to Dopers that don't know how to ride.

**I am a decent artist, I could do drawings and paintings to keep art alive.

So do I get to live among y'all??

What Exit?
11-30-2005, 08:00 PM
Of course PapSett, I would say everyone willing to pitch in would be welcomed. There would be work for everyone and much cross training.
I would imagine that many of us would find new skills that we would enjoy.

Jim

What Exit?
11-30-2005, 08:04 PM
I don't know how many sailors we have, but I am a fair sailor and good at repairing wooden sailboats. I would think we would at least want to preserve the skill for later Generations for when we run out of gasoline and batteries.
Maybe this will never happen, but it would be a good and fun skill to retain.

Jim

John Carter of Mars
11-30-2005, 08:29 PM
Anyway, I could happily propose the Oregon Willamette Valley area as an alternate site.<snip>

According to what you posted following the above, this sounds like a perfect location. If the much anticipated apocalypse doesn't happen, do you have a spare room to rent?

I'm also pretty good at getting people to do stuff--I could be the one who makes people do stuff they'd rather not. Is there a name for that?

I think you just volunteered to be in charge of the cotton-picking crew and the crew that cleans out septic tanks. Enjoy.

About the politics: Let's have four "wards" of about 1,000 people each, with each ward electing a representative. The four reps could then elect a prez. Democracy, Y'all!
Now, the only problem with democracy is that the people who run for office aren't the ones that should be holding office. Therefore, anyone who campaigns for office will be banned from holding office. :smack:

Election by popular acclaim is the only way to go!

silenus
11-30-2005, 09:07 PM
I don't know how many sailors we have, but I am a fair sailor and good at repairing wooden sailboats.

Me, too. Power boats will run out of fuel, but sailboats will always have power. Although I am more comfortable on catamarans.....

clairobscur
11-30-2005, 09:09 PM
when I was a child I made an absurd amount of money doing the prospecting and then flogging them off to unsuspecting tourists for approximately 600% retail.


OK. If there are splinter colonies, you'll be in charge of trade....

clairobscur
11-30-2005, 09:14 PM
Do we get an intranet up and running for use as a news service and data storage?




No way! If we had an intranet, everybody would spend his days posting on it instead of working for our survival.

What Exit?
11-30-2005, 09:18 PM
Me, too. Power boats will run out of fuel, but sailboats will always have power. Although I am more comfortable on catamarans.....
Well Fiberglass will hold up a long time as will the sails. But we can make a wooden Catamaran if it comes to it. More importantly, I think myself and many others could make drawings from existing boats to preserve them for the future when and if we run out of fiberglass hulls.

clairobscur: Okay intranet only for a few hours a night maybe. We need KellyM to keep wikipedia up and running.

Jim

jsgoddess
11-30-2005, 09:25 PM
Well Fiberglass will hold up a long time as will the sails. But we can make a wooden Catamaran if it comes to it. More importantly, I think myself and many others could make drawings from existing boats to preserve them for the future when and if we run out of fiberglass hulls.

Run out of fiberglass? Am I not the Fiberglass Maven?

And hey! We can even do hand layup since there won't be an EPA insisting on closed molding yet.

On the other hand, I thought we were in Tennessee? Just how many boats are we going to need?

What Exit?
11-30-2005, 09:34 PM
Run out of fiberglass? Am I not the Fiberglass Maven?

And hey! We can even do hand layup since there won't be an EPA insisting on closed molding yet.

On the other hand, I thought we were in Tennessee? Just how many boats are we going to need?

We won't need them for quite a while. Maybe not until we are gone. But it is a skill that should be preserved and it is hard to learn from a book.

BigDummy
12-01-2005, 01:26 PM
I may have missed it, but I haven't seen much talk about sanitation/waste disposal. Nobody wants to drive the garbage truck and/or work the landfill? Since there doesn't seem to be much call for mediocre programmers, I suppose I could do that.

What Exit?
12-01-2005, 02:37 PM
I may have missed it, but I haven't seen much talk about sanitation/waste disposal. Nobody wants to drive the garbage truck and/or work the landfill? Since there doesn't seem to be much call for mediocre programmers, I suppose I could do that.

That's very cool, nice offer. That is a missing component that wouldnít be thought about until the garbage started piling up.

I wonder; would we take over a wealthy suburb with large separate houses or a small walking town to conserve resources and share the workload better.
I would vote for the walking town but I see advantages to both.
Thinking about garbage, we will need other services.
* A good volunteer fire department that might need full time drivers at least.
* We might need a Sheriff with some part time deputies. Preferably one of our pacifists.
* Weíve mentioned the hospital, but might as well list it again
* Grocery/Department store
* Gas Station (someone mentioned this already)
* Major repair center, preferably an old armory for storing loads of spare parts for everything.
* Post office or do we really on a part time Intranet and Email?
* Power plant operations (already discussed)
* Manufacturing when possible
* A small school system
* Librarian and archivist to work on preserving the past
* Lots of farming surrounding the town center
* We better keep horses in case we loose the tech to maintain an automobile fleet after 40 years

bouv
12-01-2005, 04:01 PM
I heartily lend my services as a biomed technician. I can fix all mannar of hospital equipemtn ,save large scary things like x-ray machines and CT scanners, but I might be able to figure those out too. In addition, I'm just generally good at fixing things electrical and mechanical.

I'm on a volunteer fire department, so I have some knowledge and skills there (not a lot, I only joined a few motnhs ago. But if this event happens in a few years then I'll be better.)

I have basic carpentry, wiring, etc.. skills tyo help build and fix homes and other whatnot.

I am a good shot with a rifle and a bow and arrow, so can help hunt if this livestock thing needs some supplementing.

I have a good basic knowledge of engineering, mainly biomedical, but that's probably not too usefull (how many people are going to need a total hip replacement?), but my basic knowledge of mechanical, civil, and electrical would be useful.

I have great survival skills, so if we needed a group of us to venture to the decimated town fifty miles away to scavenger resources, but don't want to waste precious gasoline, I could easily make the journey. I'll need smoeone to teach me how to ride a horse, though, if we use those.

I can also recite almost entire episodes of Futurama from memory. :D

krisolov
12-01-2005, 08:36 PM
y'know, I think the power plant is a problem. Don't think we have anyone who can operate or maintain the kind of powerplant we might want. Even a hydro plant requires a pretty large contingent of highly skilled workers. If we go with generators we probably have a better chance of having a skill base to maintain them. Spare parts will be a problem, even with a machine shop. Seals, gaskets and such will be in finite supply.

Broomstick
12-01-2005, 08:39 PM
We've got broomstick, if you're sure there are gonna be airplanes.
Well, I sure hope there's gonna be airplanes!

There's actually a fairly good number of pilots on the SDMB

I was riding around this afternoon thinking about this thread, and it struck me that we'd really need some weavers, knitters and people that can turn animal skin into clothing.
My degree is in textiles - I do not just weaving, knitting, crocheting, etc. but I can also spin yarn and thread, dye fibers and cloth, work leather, and so on.

So that's two birds with one stone, isn't it?

I also make paper.

And I know how to make soap

My main problem in this current society is not having enough time for my hobbies because I have to earn a living. Hmmm......

John Carter of Mars
12-01-2005, 08:52 PM
broomstick =Renaissance Woman! Right this way, m'dear, there plenty for you to do.

Also, for all you guys asking about the pillaging of other womenfolk, what about us single women, eh? Eh? If you get the free ones, we should get to pick some of the menfolk too.

So let it be written, so let it be done. :D

silenus
12-01-2005, 09:41 PM
If we pick someplace like the Central Valley of California, we can run solar for a lot of our power needs. Of course, that means we would basically be Fresno, and that just sucks! :D

If we settle on the eastern slopes of the Coast Range, however, we can zip over the passes and fish in the Pacific easily enough. That will boost our protein intake, and stretch our pillaged supplies that much further.

As for jrfranchi's list...

* A good volunteer fire department that might need full time drivers at least.
Nope. Drivers are on-call just like everyone else
* We might need a Sheriff with some part time deputies. Preferably one of our pacifists.
Good idea.
* Weíve mentioned the hospital, but might as well list it again
I do hope our docs have some training in OB/Gyn.
* Grocery/Department store
Not enough people for that. It's back to The General Store for us.
* Gas Station (someone mentioned this already)
Lump that in with general energy policy
* Major repair center, preferably an old armory for storing loads of spare parts for everything.
This will need a lot of power, especially for the machine tools we will need to fabricate new parts
* Post office or do we really on a part time Intranet and Email?
All together, so no post office. Some networking will be needed, if for no other reason than communications
* Power plant operations (already discussed)
Go solar for most of it.
* Manufacturing when possible
see machine shop above
* A small school system
all teachers, no administrators!
* Librarian and archivist to work on preserving the past
Very important!
* Lots of farming surrounding the town center
Truck gardens for most of it. Let people grow their own, and trade the surplus.
* We better keep horses in case we loose the tech to maintain an automobile fleet after 40 years
Horses breed, too.

I think this will be do-able, but we have too small a genetic base here. Mars needs women!!!

Normal Saline
12-02-2005, 02:03 AM
Ah IANAM and IANAL/DN(I am not a midwife nor a labour/delivery nurse) but I am a nurse, actually am friends with (non doper) midwifes and doulas, and have been labour coach for two friends, and in general know my way around obstetrics. So definitely I could assist the doctors with the obstetrics stuff and if he/she was willing to sort of apprentice me for a few months I could take over all that part of the practice. I am also an avid herbalist and into theraputic massage and reflexology.

I also make hemp jewellry, Fimo beads, tie-dye stuff, and uh, other things one would find in a head shop. I assisted with conversion of a VW bus.

So, um, if this turns all hippy and Deadheady, you all can come by Normal Saline's nursing station/holistic healing centre/head shop...

What Exit?
12-02-2005, 08:30 AM
On the power plants: I love Solar power but the supplies are usually dispersed. I have 6700W of solar panels on my roof. The equipment to convert the DC to AC would have to be jury rigged on a large scale as none of this equipment is at the home depot or easily made. We should definitely try an build a solar & wind infrastructure if possible and that will place a premium on perfecting the manufacture of new Storage batteries.
I think we could run part of a hydro plant with a small crew.
We only need power for 5000-10000 so we shouldn't need to run it full out.
I know that with 40 people I could run an Oil burning plant for 5000+ so Hydro should be easier.
Existing plants won't need to be run at capacity which will make maintenance much easier. Great thing about big generators is that they are fairly easy to maintain and repair. I used to do this work. I am sure I could pick it back up. Hydro has the huge advantage of not needing fuel. I donít know if it is easier or harder to run than an oil burning plant. As we wonít need to run boilers to run steam turbine generators I think it would be a simpler operation.

On Fireman, we will at least need the pool of drivers to work near the firehouses. You do want response time to get the pumpers going to be minimal.
Speaking of which, we want to avoid buildings over 3 stories, they are too hard for volunteers to put out unless their fire system is well maintained and we keep ladder truck crews ready. I would say find a half dozen or so and park them near the Hospital if that is the one building that is over 3 stories.

Jim

bobkitty
12-02-2005, 11:33 AM
I can't believe that I'm the first therapist to volunteer. PTSD as a result of the rest of the world disappearing, anyone?

Plus I have experience with breeding/training/maintaining horses and dogs, all aspects of carpentry, and gardening.

Sunspace
12-02-2005, 01:10 PM
Speaking of therapists, we'll need an RMT as well. Massage after all that time working in the fields/building solar-heated houses/running the power plant/etc will be a good idea.

Speaking of "therapists", do we have any surgeons?

Queen Tonya
12-02-2005, 03:27 PM
I can't believe that I'm the first therapist to volunteer.

Well, the first official one, at least. Post 79 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6845365&postcount=79) ;)

lizardling
12-02-2005, 03:47 PM
Speaking of therapists, we'll need an RMT as well. Massage after all that time working in the fields/building solar-heated houses/running the power plant/etc will be a good idea.

Speaking of "therapists", do we have any surgeons?

I don't think any actual surgeons have chimed in on the thread just yet, but IIRC there was an internal medicine guy upthread. In theory, armed with books, KarlGauss could probably do a spot of pinch hitting, although I don't think I've seen his confirmation of said pinch hitting.

lizardling
12-02-2005, 03:50 PM
Well, the first official one, at least. Post 79 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6845365&postcount=79) ;)

And I've been told that I have really strong hands and forearms, so I could apprentice to you for a while and help out.

(must be all the signing and the typing :D )

Queen Tonya
12-02-2005, 04:06 PM
Oooh, an apprentice! You'll have ratings Trump never dreamed of, and me, I'll get to find big hats and be a Mae West-impersonating Madame. :D

krisolov
12-02-2005, 06:13 PM
On the power plants: I love Solar power but the supplies are usually dispersed. I have 6700W of solar panels on my roof. The equipment to convert the DC to AC would have to be jury rigged on a large scale as none of this equipment is at the home depot or easily made. We should definitely try an build a solar & wind infrastructure if possible and that will place a premium on perfecting the manufacture of new Storage batteries.
I think we could run part of a hydro plant with a small crew.
We only need power for 5000-10000 so we shouldn't need to run it full out.
I know that with 40 people I could run an Oil burning plant for 5000+ so Hydro should be easier.
Existing plants won't need to be run at capacity which will make maintenance much easier. Great thing about big generators is that they are fairly easy to maintain and repair. I used to do this work. I am sure I could pick it back up. Hydro has the huge advantage of not needing fuel. I donít know if it is easier or harder to run than an oil burning plant. As we wonít need to run boilers to run steam turbine generators I think it would be a simpler operation.
Jim
I nominate you plant manager for the power plant then. I agree on the inverters, those things would have to be built after the fact as the biggest ones usually available are the cigarette lighter plug in devices for cars. And batteries usually have about a 10 yr active life generally speaking (we'll need you chemists working on this one). So while solar is attractive, I don't think it's a large scale viable option.
I think it's agreed that a hydro plant would be the best solution, so let's go with that. If jfranchi can get us organized, we'll be in pretty good shape there. I think backup generators would be nice, especially for the essential services, like the hospital and perhaps the communications systems.

KellyM
12-04-2005, 05:12 PM
clairobscur: Okay intranet only for a few hours a night maybe. We need KellyM to keep wikipedia up and running. I have nothing to do with keeping Wikipedia up and running. I'm just an arbitrator.

What Exit?
12-04-2005, 06:05 PM
I have nothing to do with keeping Wikipedia up and running. I'm just an arbitrator.
Well we have enough computer people on the board, maybe you can just give them direction part time to keep wiki going and growing.

Jim

Farmwoman
12-05-2005, 10:03 AM
Oooh I loves me some post-apocolytic scenarios.

It's nice to see some other fiber artists here so I'd have some help teaching everyone to prepare, spin, weave and felt animal and plant fibers.

I can also make soap, lotion and other toiletries from stuff found in nature so our farm hands would be clean and well-moisturized.

As a hobby farmer, I guess I'd be useful in the agricultural realm of this society, but animal husbandry isn't really rocket surgery. What we'll really need, and what I suspect would be in short supply, are some folks who're willing to slaughter the animals for us. Once that's done, I'll cure and tan hides. Ugg boots for everyone!!!

Farmwoman
12-05-2005, 11:27 AM
One other thought...as a former teacher, I would suggest we ditch the 'school for the kids' idea. We have the opportunity to build a new society and I don't see any reason why we should recreate one of the biggest catastrophes of the industrial age. Let the kids live with us in our society instead of warehousing them in separate institutions during the most exciting years of life. Schools for minors are a terrible waste of time, space and labor in my opinion.

Organize a college in the center of the community where people of all ages can pop in at will to learn about everything from engineering to glassblowing to midwifery to Plato in courses taught by our members.

What Exit?
12-05-2005, 11:52 AM
One other thought...as a former teacher, I would suggest we ditch the 'school for the kids' idea. We have the opportunity to build a new society and I don't see any reason why we should recreate one of the biggest catastrophes of the industrial age. Let the kids live with us in our society instead of warehousing them in separate institutions during the most exciting years of life. Schools for minors are a terrible waste of time, space and labor in my opinion.

Organize a college in the center of the community where people of all ages can pop in at will to learn about everything from engineering to glassblowing to midwifery to Plato in courses taught by our members.

Your skills sound very useful and the fact you are eager to teach them is the attitude we would most be in need of.

Do you think trying to teach everyone basic math, science and reading is a wasted effort? I really think we will want to maintain this.
Do you know what the literacy rates use to look like before public schools? Not good.
I know some people would do a great job at home schooling their kids but I donít think a lot of us would.

It sounds like I will still be forced to commute to a work, now at a power plant. I was hoping to work out of my new home as a Master Tinkerer and troubleshooter. Hopefully someone more qualified than I would step up to run the power plant and I could do the work I am best suited for and still be very helpful. I would probably have even less time to help with my kids schooling.

I really think we will need to hang on to public school/mass baby sitting, if we want to rescue technologies we will need all hands doing something and kids will probably largely apprentice instead of High School. But I see grammar school still very much needed.

Jim

Hostile Dialect
12-05-2005, 12:37 PM
I think the school system should teach elementary- and middle-school kids proper spelling/grammar, a couple of other languages, and the maths and sciences. I second the motion for apprenticeship rather than high school.

Ludovic
12-05-2005, 12:59 PM
So, Farmwoman,
Location: Beautiful Central NewYork
Can I get a second vote for Upstate NY? It may not be the Corn Belt, but it's a good place to grow those sources of ethyl alcohol, apples and grapes. Mmmm, concord grapes.

Hostile Dialect
12-05-2005, 12:59 PM
So, Farmwoman,

Can I get a second vote for Upstate NY? It may not be the Corn Belt, but it's a good place to grow those sources of ethyl alcohol, apples and grapes. Mmmm, concord grapes.

Mmmm, ethyl alcohol.

Mr. Goob
12-05-2005, 01:33 PM
I'm in Western New York and am fond of the grape, but the winters sway my vote to the Tennesse valley idea.

I've done it and don't care for it, but will butcher if I must.

Farmwoman
12-05-2005, 03:38 PM
Do you think trying to teach everyone basic math, science and reading is a wasted effort?

I think trying to teach anything is a wasted effort. Teaching only happens when an individual who is ready to learn connects with an individual who his willing to share knowledge. One doesn't need school for that, and I would argue that forced schooling actually impedes the process.

Basic skills in science, math, and reading are learned naturally and with very little fuss in a literacy-rich environment, and I suspect that the SDMB Post-Apocolyptic Commune would be literacy-filthy-rich :D

Gary Robson
12-05-2005, 04:12 PM
I think the school system should teach elementary- and middle-school kids proper spelling/grammar, a couple of other languages...Hey, we're starting a new society here. Let's come up with one logical language and stick with it. Esperanto? Maybe a completely new language?

Sunspace
12-05-2005, 05:17 PM
Hey, we're starting a new society here. Let's come up with one logical language and stick with it. Esperanto? Maybe a completely new language?I'm okay with Esperanto. [i]Mi opinias, ke gxi estas bona lingvo![/i ] :D

So, who's going to obtain or write all the reference bools?

silenus
12-05-2005, 05:30 PM
What we'll really need, and what I suspect would be in short supply, are some folks who're willing to slaughter the animals for us.

I can do that, if I have some helpers. Pigs, deer, bison and rabbits I've done. The rest is easily picked up, especially since I'm going to make you all butcher your own cuts after I've sided them. Unless a butcher or two signs on, that is. :D

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
12-05-2005, 05:38 PM
I'm in Western New York and am fond of the grape, but the winters sway my vote to the Tennesse valley idea.

I've done it and don't care for it, but will butcher if I must.

We have a growing number of Wineries in Eastern Tennessee.

Farmwoman
12-05-2005, 05:40 PM
Done.




*hic*

wonderlust
12-05-2005, 09:11 PM
I think this will be do-able, but we have too small a genetic base here. Mars needs women!!! Woman here. I'm old but fertile, could be a surrogate, but don't want to raise any more kids.

I can maintain old COBOL code, provide relationship counseling maybe, inspire people with my enthusiasm...read, write,quilt, knit, crochet, cook.

Oooh, oooh, can I be the brothel's Madame? (or is that taken already?)

Shakes
12-05-2005, 09:53 PM
Oooh, oooh, can I be the brothel's Madame? (or is that taken already?)


Only if I can call you "Miss Kitty" :D

I'm wondering if the women here volunteering to be surogate mothers relize we have not yet had any doctors step up to say they can do in vitro fertilization. So of course we'll have to do it "Old School style."

And Doctors if you're out there: Please shut up now.. :D

PapSett
12-06-2005, 09:38 AM
Only if I can call you "Miss Kitty" :D

I'm wondering if the women here volunteering to be surogate mothers relize we have not yet had any doctors step up to say they can do in vitro fertilization. So of course we'll have to do it "Old School style."

And Doctors if you're out there: Please shut up now.. :D


OK....You just made me spit coffee with that one!

wonderlust
12-06-2005, 10:44 AM
Shakes: You do realize, don't you, that we'd need some talented gigolos for the bordello.

As for food: too much butchering and meat around here. We'd need a good farm growing protein sources to support vegetarians too.

What Exit?
12-06-2005, 10:56 AM
Shakes: You do realize, don't you, that we'd need some talented gigolos for the bordello.

As for food: too much butchering and meat around here. We'd need a good farm growing protein sources to support vegetarians too.
We'll need a skilled vegetarian to kick in and do this. I am an omnivore, so I'll eat Meat and Veggies. I hope we have someone that can grow mushrooms.

I figured if I'm going to be stuck at a power plant for long hours out of town, I will at least have several BBQs setup and ready for use. Lots of BBQ meals.
I hope we can raise chickens for Eggs and Chicken.

Jim

wonderlust
12-06-2005, 11:22 AM
We'll need a skilled vegetarian to kick in and do this. I am an omnivore, so I'll eat Meat and Veggies. I hope we have someone that can grow mushrooms. Jim
I guess my 20 years as vegetarian should qualify me for something. But I'm not farmhand material.

I vote for California where we don't have to cope with winters.

Hostile Dialect
12-06-2005, 04:03 PM
As for food: too much butchering and meat around here. We'd need a good farm growing protein sources to support vegetarians too.

Isn't ethical vegetarianism mostly based on the way corporations treat the animals they raise? Would Doper vegetarians be willing to eat meat prepared in humane ways by post-apocalyptic Dopers?

I vote for California where we don't have to cope with winters.

Why are we the only ones calling for this?

What Exit?
12-06-2005, 04:28 PM
Isn't ethical vegetarianism mostly based on the way corporations treat the animals they raise? Would Doper vegetarians be willing to eat meat prepared in humane ways by post-apocalyptic Dopers?



Why are we the only ones calling for this?

I've lived in California. I will pass on the Earthquakes and the remoteness from the rest of the US. From Tenn we have large resources, good weather and access to a large amount of the pre-disaster country. Crossing from Cally back east can be tough. There won't be an infrastructure of support anymore. What part of California were you thinking of? The Northern section is the better growing region, but I still like the TVA's drought resistance and Hydropower.

Convince us with some resources that require low management.

(I wish I could find an excuse for the North East to keep close to NYC & DC but I can't come up with a good enough argument)

Jim

Omniscient
12-06-2005, 05:02 PM
In case the position is still available, I'll be glad to get started on that whole repopulating thing........otherwise, town drunk.

wonderlust
12-06-2005, 05:14 PM
:smack: D'oh, QueenTonya is already the Madame, complete with Mae West hat. Can't beat that!

Um, we Californians are ascared-of cold weather (and hot weather too, for that matter). We'd have to learn all new skills like shoveling, scraping, heating with oil, knowing what to do when your nose goes numb, salting the streets, wearing sweaters...and be cold and stuff. :eek:

Besides, we have pilots! And no one is in D.C. except the Doper residents anyway. Why leave paradise?

What Exit?
12-06-2005, 05:21 PM
:smack: D'oh, QueenTonya is already the Madame, complete with Mae West hat. Can't beat that!

Um, we Californians are ascared-of cold weather (and hot weather too, for that matter). We'd have to learn all new skills like shoveling, scraping, heating with oil, knowing what to do when your nose goes numb, salting the streets, wearing sweaters...and be cold and stuff. :eek:

Besides, we have pilots! And no one is in D.C. except the Doper residents anyway. Why leave paradise?

I don't think Tenn get much snow. We'll need a local to comment. Now NJ, I remove 7" of snow from my driveway today.

Omniscient sounds like a volunteer for brewing and raising Barley.

Jim

Hostile Dialect
12-06-2005, 06:27 PM
I've lived in California. I will pass on the Earthquakes

California is a big, big place, most of which is unencumbered by earthquake troubles. I've lived in San Diego for 8 years and only ever felt two earthquakes, neither of which did anything more exciting than shaking a lamp a little bit without really moving it.

and the remoteness from the rest of the US.

Something tells me that's not going to be a huge deal when nobody's living anywhere else. Within a couple of counties' worth of acreage (or less) of San Diego we could raise animals, grow fruits and vegetables, rig up an electrical grid, and probably do everything else we need to do, with weather better than any other possible US destination except Hawaii (which can get hot and humid, relatively speaking).

You cite large resources and good weather for the TVA. Southern California has better weather and more resources from what I can see, although IANA expert in any way. We've got nuclear power in San Onofre, too. And for the Dopers who get nostalgic about snowy Christmas and the like, there are snowy mountain ranges with great camping spots within the county.

myrnajean
12-06-2005, 06:49 PM
I work in IT, which would initially be useless, but Iím pretty good at identifying plants, edible, medicinal and poisonous, and I'm a very good cook.
I maintain a garden with good sucess every year.

I can fish and clean them myself and hunt fairly well, although I've never shot anything except with a camera. I know how, although I've never had to, field dress a deer, although I doubt I could haul it up into a tree.

I'm very good at improvising solutions to problems with whatever is at hand.

I work fairly well with others, I'm very organized, and have generally a sunny disposition. Rarely is anything as bad as it seems. I don't know exactly what I'd contribute, but I'm sure I'd be useful.

What Exit?
12-06-2005, 07:07 PM
California is a big, big place, most of which is unencumbered by earthquake troubles. I've lived in San Diego for 8 years and only ever felt two earthquakes, neither of which did anything more exciting than shaking a lamp a little bit without really moving it.



Something tells me that's not going to be a huge deal when nobody's living anywhere else. Within a couple of counties' worth of acreage (or less) of San Diego we could raise animals, grow fruits and vegetables, rig up an electrical grid, and probably do everything else we need to do, with weather better than any other possible US destination except Hawaii (which can get hot and humid, relatively speaking).

You cite large resources and good weather for the TVA. Southern California has better weather and more resources from what I can see, although IANA expert in any way. We've got nuclear power in San Onofre, too. And for the Dopers who get nostalgic about snowy Christmas and the like, there are snowy mountain ranges with great camping spots within the county.

I lived in SD for 3+ years. I can't agree to it viability for agriculture. I was on Coronado and in San Ysidro. Not a lot of farmland. Up closer to San Francisco I remember the farming being much better and diverse. Really more Sacramento area if I recall correctly.
By being close to the rest of the Old USA, I was looking for easier access to big old fashion manufacturing locations and warehousing. The Rust belt is easy striking distance by trucks from TVA and would provide a large supply of ready resources. Again I was convinced of the TVA.
It is not my area; I have never lived there and only passed through on the way to New Orleans so I know little about it. But as long as were out of the flood plains, it offers a lot.

Iíve been to Hawaii twice, it is paradise but Paradise with a big Volcano and very limited resources. Not the ideal for a small group to rebuild from.

I donít think we have the expertise to run a nuclear plant; we would be making it up as we went along. High Risk and probably a lot more labor intensive than a Hydro Plant, I would probably attempt Coal before Nuclear if near a good supply. I though Nuke at first too, someone else talked me out of that.

I am still open to information to change my mine but the fertility of San Diego is questionable and Sacramento is a much higher Earthquake risk.

I give you this however. Cars last a lot longer in the desert and a large supply of cars and trucks rusting slowly would be valuable. Where are the refineries in California, I donít recall.

Jim

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
12-06-2005, 07:08 PM
California is a big, big place, most of which is unencumbered by earthquake troubles. I've lived in San Diego for 8 years and only ever felt two earthquakes, neither of which did anything more exciting than shaking a lamp a little bit without really moving it.



Something tells me that's not going to be a huge deal when nobody's living anywhere else. Within a couple of counties' worth of acreage (or less) of San Diego we could raise animals, grow fruits and vegetables, rig up an electrical grid, and probably do everything else we need to do, with weather better than any other possible US destination except Hawaii (which can get hot and humid, relatively speaking).

You cite large resources and good weather for the TVA. Southern California has better weather and more resources from what I can see, although IANA expert in any way. We've got nuclear power in San Onofre, too. And for the Dopers who get nostalgic about snowy Christmas and the like, there are snowy mountain ranges with great camping spots within the county.


Suggestions have been made that long-term climate change may turn California into a desert.
We don't want SDMB Civilization to go the way of the Cliff Dwelleers, do we?

sunstone
12-06-2005, 07:22 PM
If we need farmers, I'm pretty good at gardening. And I've done scientific research, and taught virtually all of the sciences for a number of years.

Resource management might come in handy...as an Air Force officer, I constantly had to allocate materials and personnel to meet goals...we were chronically understaffed so we had to be creative to get the best use of resources.

Food preservation is also on my list, and home repair and the construction of greenhouse....my family says that my greenhouses are built better than any house we've lived in (and I've repaired....)

Even better, I can make a really good beer.

silenus
12-06-2005, 07:36 PM
Even better, I can make a really good beer.

This civilization is doomed. We have how many brewers now? :D

wonderlust
12-06-2005, 08:59 PM
Um...jrfranchi? You're starting to worry me now. You do realize this isn't going to happen, right?

What Exit?
12-06-2005, 09:01 PM
If we need farmers, I'm pretty good at gardening. And I've done scientific research, and taught virtually all of the sciences for a number of years.

Resource management might come in handy...as an Air Force officer, I constantly had to allocate materials and personnel to meet goals...we were chronically understaffed so we had to be creative to get the best use of resources.

Food preservation is also on my list, and home repair and the construction of greenhouse....my family says that my greenhouses are built better than any house we've lived in (and I've repaired....)

Even better, I can make a really good beer.
Between you and myrnajean we have 2 more for food procurement and I was hoping someone would be able to tell us how to build good long lasting Green Houses. Resource management & warehousing could be the most important labor as we try to preserve tech.

Jim

What Exit?
12-06-2005, 09:05 PM
Um...jrfranchi? You're starting to worry me now. You do realize this isn't going to happen, right?
Yes, but this is what makes me a geek. I have been reading Sci-Fi all my life and Role Playing since I was 10. I am treating this as a fun exercise and intellectual challenge. (or being a total Geek). I am 39 and still enjoy these puzzles.

Jim

Farmwoman
12-06-2005, 09:07 PM
Um...jrfranchi? You're starting to worry me now. You do realize this isn't going to happen, right?
I'm starting to look forward to this plague. Kicking back with some local wine after a good butchering, yappin' in Esperanto about the wind farm, inquisitive 8 year-olds nagging QtM to tell them more stories of Middle Earth...

What Exit?
12-06-2005, 09:16 PM
I'm starting to look forward to this plague. Kicking back with some local wine after a good butchering, yappin' in Esperanto about the wind farm, inquisitive 8 year-olds nagging QtM to tell them more stories of Middle Earth...
Excellent, maybe we could get enough votes to name the new Town/Village the Shire.

Jim

PapSett
12-06-2005, 10:00 PM
Excellent, maybe we could get enough votes to name the new Town/Village the Shire.

Jim

The Shire gets my vote ! When do we go ?

Hostile Dialect
12-07-2005, 12:10 AM
I donít think we have the expertise to run a nuclear plant; we would be making it up as we went along. High Risk and probably a lot more labor intensive than a Hydro Plant, I would probably attempt Coal before Nuclear if near a good supply. I though Nuke at first too, someone else talked me out of that.

I think we have enough nuclear physicists/chemists to supply the brainpower and enough science students for the gruntwork--I don't see why we wouldn't be able to run a nuke. At the least, there are enough books around that with some dedication the scientists among us could teach themselves. Don't know much about refineries, and to be honest not much about farmland either, but the places you lived in--Coronado, San Ysidro--are to the far south/west. I was thinking of the north (of SD)--Riverside, Orange.

I can't believe I didn't think about the value of being in a place where cars last for a while--especially since we probably won't be making new ones, at least to any high degree of sophistication/reliability/efficiency, for a while. Of course, if you're looking for a dry climate, San Diego is great but AZ/NM/NV is better. But then you have to deal with the fact that many plants don't like the dry climate as much as cars do.

Oh yeah--lots of top-notch universities here too--which means lots of top-notch university libraries--which means we can teach ourselves what we don't already know. Unless the apocalypse is by fire or water, in which case we'd probably be out of luck. Of course, California isn't the only place with great universities, but it does have a pretty high concentration of 'em.

Suggestions have been made that long-term climate change may turn California into a desert.

IANAM, but FWIW it's been getting colder and more humid here the last couple years, if anything. During the NFL playoffs this last January, Seattle and San Diego both hosted home games in the same day, and the broadcaster for the Seattle game noted that "it's a great day for a game of football in Seattle, and it's raining cats and dogs in San Diego. You don't get to say that often."

As far as languages go--I still argue that we need to teach all of the languages we know, so that old literary works can be appreciated as they were meant to be.

wonderlust
12-07-2005, 12:33 AM
Yes, but this is what makes me a geek. I have been reading Sci-Fi all my life and Role Playing since I was 10. I am treating this as a fun exercise and intellectual challenge. (or being a total Geek). I am 39 and still enjoy these puzzles. :) I [heart] geeks. Just a momentary reality-check is all. Proceed, as you are quite capably doing.

Although I'm intrigued by the OP, and keep returning to this thread to cheer you all on and offer hospitality services (as Madame Mae put it), I leave the heavy planning to all of you, while I go back to my sf&f reading. You never know what post-singularity foreknowledge I may gain, to benefit our little DoperTown. You know, in case you want to upload your intelligences now, before the Plague. Later you might want to make numerous copies of yourselves and live a variety of simultaneous life threads outside of meat-space.

What Exit?
12-07-2005, 09:15 AM
:) I [heart] geeks. Just a momentary reality-check is all. Proceed, as you are quite capably doing.

Although I'm intrigued by the OP, and keep returning to this thread to cheer you all on and offer hospitality services (as Madame Mae put it), I leave the heavy planning to all of you, while I go back to my sf&f reading. You never know what post-singularity foreknowledge I may gain, to benefit our little DoperTown. You know, in case you want to upload your intelligences now, before the Plague. Later you might want to make numerous copies of yourselves and live a variety of simultaneous life threads outside of meat-space.


Cool.


fetus AZ & Nevada are easy drive from California at least. We should have lots of well preserved cars to haul back. We will probably run out gas before cars.

I am guessing we build ethanol cars.

Jim

Gary Robson
12-07-2005, 10:52 AM
Up closer to San Francisco I remember the farming being much better and diverse.When we lived southeast of San Francisco we could grow darned near anything. We did well with tomatoes, peppers, artichokes, citrus, apples, pears, pumpkins, cherries, blackberries, cucumbers, and hops (I'm a brewer, remember?). My wife's grandparents, in the San Jose area, also grew grapes, corn, and strawberries. Great for the livestock, too. The sheep, goats, and cattle could graze pretty much all year round. We supplemented the horses with hay, but I think enough of us understand haying that it wouldn't be a big problem.

Any of you brewers out there ever malt your own barley? I've read about the process, but never actually done it. I've always bought sacks of malted grains.

It *is* in earthquake country, but ag communities usually aren't hit as hard--no big buildings falling on people.

Shirley Ujest
12-07-2005, 11:24 AM
I thought I had posted here my contributions to the Post Apocalyptic DoperDomeShire.

Damn hamsters.

Anywhooo,

I'll work with Farmwoman in animal husbandry raising sheep ( fleece and meat), goats ( wool and milk), cows ( milk and meat and fire starters in their dried patties.) and horsies ( cause I like horsies) Bunnies, too, for meat, fur and poop.

I will learn to spin wool and then teach others how to knit. ( I will be allowed to bring along my knitting books, right? Cause I'm a newbie knitter and need pictures, dammit.)

I really like the entire schooling method for the kids and wish to subscribe to the newsletter :)

I am also a better than average farmer/gardener and own a tractor, rototiller and a hand plow ( purely decorative, but it does work. Tetnus shot required to use it.)


We need someone who can teach us how to can and put up veggies for long winters.

What Exit?
12-07-2005, 11:52 AM
I thought I had posted here my contributions to the Post Apocalyptic DoperDomeShire.

Damn hamsters.

Anywhooo,

I'll work with Farmwoman in animal husbandry raising sheep ( fleece and meat), goats ( wool and milk), cows ( milk and meat and fire starters in their dried patties.) and horsies ( cause I like horsies) Bunnies, too, for meat, fur and poop.

I will learn to spin wool and then teach others how to knit. ( I will be allowed to bring along my knitting books, right? Cause I'm a newbie knitter and need pictures, dammit.)

I really like the entire schooling method for the kids and wish to subscribe to the newsletter :)

I am also a better than average farmer/gardener and own a tractor, rototiller and a hand plow ( purely decorative, but it does work. Tetnus shot required to use it.)


We need someone who can teach us how to can and put up veggies for long winters.

Canning we can learn from books with several experimental tries. I helped once long ago. I t would be a huge help if someone is good at it but we won't starve if we need to teach ourselves.

The OP seemed to leave us books and libraries. I think we're OK. Hopefully we'll find a cache of training/DIY DVD's.

Jim

Jim

silenus
12-07-2005, 11:58 AM
Any of you brewers out there ever malt your own barley? I've read about the process, but never actually done it. I've always bought sacks of malted grains.

As a matter of fact, yes, I can. :D

I can also build a pretty productive still out of lab equipment. And I have some small experience in canning veggies.

Hostile Dialect
12-07-2005, 06:03 PM
I am guessing we build ethanol cars.

In which case Chicago comes back into play, what with its proximity to loads and loads and loads and loads of corn, and all the city resources and libraries and labs and such.

silenus
12-07-2005, 07:13 PM
Chicago = snow, and winters that are colder than Anchorage. No freaking way, Jose!

California is God's Country.

Hostile Dialect
12-07-2005, 08:53 PM
Chicago = snow, and winters that are colder than Anchorage. No freaking way, Jose!

California is God's Country.

Just saying that there's a hell of a lot of corn in the Midwest and that can provide a pretty nice ethanol supply if we can figure out how to use it. Not that we should live there, really, but that we should use that to our advantage if we can drive out that far from wherever.

What Exit?
12-07-2005, 09:39 PM
Just saying that there's a hell of a lot of corn in the Midwest and that can provide a pretty nice ethanol supply if we can figure out how to use it. Not that we should live there, really, but that we should use that to our advantage if we can drive out that far from wherever.

So this brings us back to where are we all when the disaster happens.
All Dopers are gathered together.
1. Is it by the divine power of the FSM or the IPU?
2. Did we all attend a special party at the SD HQ to finally meet Cecil?

Option 1 would allow us to start anywhere, Option 2 would start us in Chicago.
If SHAKES is willing to come back to this scenario, be the arbiter and declare a starting point, we'll find a living spot from there.

Sleel
12-08-2005, 12:43 AM
Geez, this is like a dream scenario for me. I've been interested in all sorts of currently useless stuff for most of my life: medieval warfare, wilderness survival, low-tech engineering and crafts, martial arts, etc. For any post-apocalyptic survival scenarios I ever thought about, I pretty much assumed the worst--that I'd be completely on my own at first, fighting other survivors for supplies--so anything less than that would probably be cushy in comparison.

I could be a good scout and scavenger. I can teach unarmed and combat with non-firearm weapons. (I think we've got the firearm combat covered with people who are more qualified). I'm a good shot with a bow and was as good with a rifle or pistol, though it's been years since I had a chance to practice with the latter. I know wilderness survival pretty well, though admittedly the closest I've had to come to testing it is on a couple of camping trips with minimal equipment. I used to be a decent tracker. I know a lot of edible wild plants that grow around northern California. I'm a bit of a natural loner anyway, so doing something by myself or a small band of partners would be pretty well suited to my personality.

Oh yeah, I can pick locks too. I have a decent mechanical and engineering aptitude, which of course means that I'm as good at finding weak points as I am at making sure something doesn't fall apart or fall down easily. If one of the explosives experts on the board could instruct me and my boys, we could probably get into anything that was worth breaking into.

I'm a decent carpenter and woodworker who knows how to work with non-powered hand tools. I can fell, section, and split trees, having helped my dad as a kid. We did it with an axe a few times to see how hard it would be. Chainsaws are much faster and easier, but it can be done without one provided you don't mind working hard. I know how to build survival and low-tech housing.

I can hunt and butcher animals. I learned how to ride and take care of a horse when I was a kid. I can make wine, though I think there are already brewers/vintners aplenty. I know the basics of blacksmithing, enough to set up a handmade forge, and I could probably make hand tools and knives with some practice. With the help of people with formal engineering and chemistry training I could cobble together a still. It's for medicinal uses! ;) I've done some glassblowing as well as pottery-making. I've made jerky and canned foods. I know how to reload ammunition.

My weak point is farming. I know only the basics from having been raised in a household that supplemented our diets with home-grown food. I know only the general stuff about fertilizing, composting, mulching, and the like. Most of what I remember is that farming sucks; it's hard work and no fun, and the rewards are a long time coming. Raising animals is more fun in some ways, but ultimately it's a shitty job as well (pun intended).

Anyone need a scout/scavenger/man-at-arms/craftsman/jack of all trades?

What Exit?
12-08-2005, 01:01 AM
...snip...
Anyone need a scout/scavenger/man-at-arms/craftsman/jack of all trades?

Your hired of course. All that wish to contribute should be welcomed I hope.

I would hope for a crash course to get my Archery back up. It has been over 15 years since I shot a bow and 18 for X-Bow.

What Exit?
12-08-2005, 09:38 AM
Here is a link to Pasta's thread on occupations (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=342129)
It seems pertinent.

ivylass
12-11-2005, 04:44 PM
I recently got out of the broadcasting business after twenty years. Ten in radio and ten in TV. What do you do, Ivylass? I was a producer, so I guess I could produce the newscasts that you can read. We can train some of the others as a studio crew pretty quickly.

I'm a traffic manager now, but I've worked in production and I've done some newswriting.

Hostile Dialect
12-12-2005, 01:28 PM
Your hired of course. All that wish to contribute should be welcomed I hope.

I would hope for a crash course to get my Archery back up. It has been over 15 years since I shot a bow and 18 for X-Bow.

Never shot a crossbow, but I earned an archery medal in Boy Scout camp a while back. Whether I could shoot one now is questionable, but I'm sure I could pick it up again. I wasn't good enough to hit a fly, but I could probably take down a cow given enough chances ;j

What Exit?
12-12-2005, 01:41 PM
Never shot a crossbow, but I earned an archery medal in Boy Scout camp a while back. Whether I could shoot one now is questionable, but I'm sure I could pick it up again. I wasn't good enough to hit a fly, but I could probably take down a cow given enough chances ;j

Well, the crossbow I shot was extremely easy to use. About 1/10 the skill required by a bow. More like a very slow to load gun from what my friends have told me. I was never great with the bow but I could hit the target well from 50' out and occassionally from 100'. So those cows are in a lot of trouble if even if we run out of Gun Powder. ;)

kidchameleon
12-12-2005, 02:51 PM
I'm a chemist. While I work with pharmacuticals and radioactivity, I could be convinced to make some Diet Dr. Pepper in exchange for some time with the Hospitatlity Crew. Plus I have that nice Boy scout back ground to help out in places and I can serve on the on-call group for emergancy first aid. Now I just need to train my dog to hunt...