Do you feel proud for threatening a 15-year-old?

[rjung]

Not really a Pitting as much as general mockery and jeering of this week's pack of mouth breathers:

Animation Producer Gets Ugly Slurs (http://progressive.org/mag_mc042406)

Ava Lowery is a fifteen-year-old who lives in Alabama. She calls herself a peace activist, and for the past year, she’s been producing her own short animations on her website, peacetakescourage.com. All in all, she’s made about seventy of them, she says, and most of them oppose Bush and his Iraq War...She submitted one of her latest creations, "WWJD," to the monthly "contagious" contest that huffingtonpost.com is running. (It’s an open contest that ranks the number of viewers for each submission.)

..."It’s people like you who need to fucking die and get raped while your corpse rots in the sun," said one e-mail Lowery shared with me. "Fuck you, I would jack off on your parents if I could. If you don’t like the team, get out of the park. That means take ur small dick and get the fuck off of my homeland you faggot chocolate gulper."

"You are a TRAITOR to your country and should be executed for treason," another one said. "All you do is bitch about the US. If you hate it so much, why don’t you GET THE FUCK OUT."

"Why don’t you go masterbate [sic] to a pic of Sheehan and fuck off," said a third.

:wally

I guess it's easier to anonymously beat up a 15-year-old girl than to hop on the next flight to Iraq and blow up some brown people...

[Airman Doors, USAF]

I guess it's easier to anonymously beat up a 15-year-old girl than to hop on the next flight to Iraq and blow up some brown people...

One ad hominem deserves another, eh rjung?

[rjung]

And now I go and :smack: myself for screwing up the coding.

Can a passing mod fix that for me, s'il vous plait? :)

[Miller]

I liked this comment by one of her defenders:

let me make this simple for you. any American who threatens another American fo dissenting view, is unAmerican, a traitor to his/her country and should be marched off into the Atlantic.

The Internet: collecting all the world's stupidity in one convenient location.

[Guinastasia]

And now I go and :smack: myself for screwing up the coding.

Can a passing mod fix that for me, s'il vous plait? :)


Not a mod, but I reported your post so someone can fix it.

As for the OP, that's pretty heinous but sadly, so not surprising. People are fucked up.

[Otto]

One ad hominem deserves another, eh rjung?
What? He's right, it's a lot easier!


("chocolate gulper"?)

[Ogre]

Just wrote her a note of support from one Alabamian to another. Can't hurt, right?

[rjung]

One ad hominem deserves another, eh rjung?
It's the least I can do. ;)

[OtakuLoki]

I've not looked at the girl's cartoons, frankly they're irrelevant. For pity's sake, I wish more people would remember that "Freedom of speech" means that they can anything they like as long as they're not inciting riot. And none of the descriptions of her cartoons cross that line. Dissent, and lively dissent, is a sign of a healthy democracy.


"Here in America, where we have the Freedom of Speech." - Dick Smothers

"And you'd better damn well say what you're s'posed to say." - Tom Smothers

I wish more people recognized that was meant to be ironic, not serious.

[Ogre]

She's 15 and against the war. We'll all just have to forgive her if her worldview isn't as subtle and nuanced as our own. Besides, keeping a web site up with your photo on it AFTER having received death threats does take balls.

[DMC]

I've not looked at the girl's cartoons, frankly they're irrelevant.Just a minor nitpick. At least the one I looked at isn't what I'd typically think of when I hear the word "cartoon". It was pretty disturbing stuff.

[Larry Mudd]

Just a minor nitpick. At least the one I looked at isn't what I'd typically think of when I hear the word "cartoon". It was pretty disturbing stuff.I only looked at "WWJD," but it's neither cartoon nor animation. Photographic slideshow with synchronized sound.

The only defense that I can offer for the people who e-mail abuse to the girl is that they are most probably around her age and not terribly sophisticated.

[OtakuLoki]

Just a minor nitpick. At least the one I looked at isn't what I'd typically think of when I hear the word "cartoon". It was pretty disturbing stuff.


I know. But what other generic term would you expect a reporter to use for something made with Flash Animation software that incorporates visual and audio in a synchronized format? I'd just call it a Flash animation, myself, but I'm not a reporter.

[Bryan Ekers]

Just a minor nitpick. At least the one I looked at isn't what I'd typically think of when I hear the word "cartoon". It was pretty disturbing stuff.

I also have to object to her being called a cartoonist, or "animation producer". I've viewed five of her works and at best they're slideshows, with a sequence of news photos and intertitles. Further, she tends to reuse the images within and among her creations. Her work is neither original nor thought-provoking.

I guess it gave the troglodytes who e-mailed the threats a moment of satisfaction, though. Idiots.

[magellan01]

I don't like this girl's work. I think it is one-dimensional heavy-handed, and overly simplistic, even for a 15-year-old. I am also tired of all this "the war is bad because people die". I resent the OP's closing line, for similar reasons. That said, I just wanted to support his/her general position that the people who would say such things to this little girl—because of a belief she is expressing—are beneath contempt. Calling them assholes and scumbags just begins to describe the cowardly nitwits. They need a dose of just the things they would like to see visited upon her.

Come to think of it, maybe sending them into the war zone is te right thing—armed with nothing but a megaphone to make the most of their tough talk.

[SteveG1]

... That said, I just wanted to support his/her general position that the people who would say such things to this little girl—because of a belief she is expressing—are beneath contempt. Calling them assholes and scumbags just begins to describe the cowardly nitwits. They need a dose of just the things they would like to see visited upon her.

Come to think of it, maybe sending them into the war zone is te right thing—armed with nothing but a megaphone to make the most of their tough talk.
Ditto, what you said, exactly as you said it. Bunch of UNamerican scumbags they are.

[RedFury]

I don't like this girl's work. I think it is one-dimensional heavy-handed, and overly simplistic, even for a 15-year-old. I am also tired of all this "the war is bad because people die".

Really? You're "tired"? Why you poor thing you.

Mayhaps not all of us that oppose this particular clusterfuck are not peaceful beatniks, but rather outraged people from all walks of life that can't stand being LIED INTO AN INSANE INVASION that has done nothing but butcher endless innocent people...including and unknown number of children.

Ya know, the "We don't do body counts" bullshit.

Finally, spare me the "we got rid of Saddam" garbage and please, please, go fuck yourself with a rusty pitchfork. Shouldn't be too hard for you, seeing what a huge asshole you are.

[clairobscur]

I don't like this girl's work. I think it is one-dimensional heavy-handed, and overly simplistic, even for a 15-year-old. I am also tired of all this "the war is bad because people die". .


Nevertheless, that's precisely why war is bad. You might find her animations not sophisticated enough but when all is said and done, what matters is what she shows : coffins and people in tears, as "simplistic" as it may be.

[Xploder]

Damn you're a tool rjung. A worthless tool at that.

[5 time champ]

. . . one-dimensional heavy-handed, and overly simplistic, even for a 15-year-old. Perfect description on how those incompetent fools Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have misprosecuted the War in Iraq.

[magellan01]

Really? You're "tired"? Why you poor thing you.

Mayhaps not all of us that oppose this particular clusterfuck are not peaceful beatniks, but rather outraged people from all walks of life that can't stand being LIED INTO AN INSANE INVASION that has done nothing but butcher endless innocent people...including and unknown number of children.

Ya know, the "We don't do body counts" bullshit.

Finally, spare me the "we got rid of Saddam" garbage and please, please, go fuck yourself with a rusty pitchfork. Shouldn't be too hard for you, seeing what a huge asshole you are.

Ah, another tough guy over the internet. Kinda like the people we're pitting...

Look, you red fury mass of syphillated matter you mistake for a human being, you're exactly the type of dick that makes it impossible for two sides to communicate. Here we are ina Pitting of some assholes that get their courage from anonymity (feel familiar)—a pitting that everyone here seems to agree with—and you clench onto an aside I made. Unless I sing every chorus of the "Bush is evil/war is bad", you go into attack mode. Not surprising, really. And which would be fine if this is what the thread was about. It's not. I wanted to support the pitting of the scumbags, yet seperate myself with other sentiments I do not agree with. I did that with a short aside. Now you can continue to draw attention away from the subject of the pitting, or not.

For me, I will resist the urge to argue the aspects of the war you brought up and save it for another time. But probably not with you because you're a dick. Plain and simple.

Regarding your pitchfork suggestion, since you said "please", I'll give due consideration. But, perhaps you can send your wife or your asshole-in-training son over to show me how it's done. I've read on the internet that she's quite amazing. She can get it so far up the handle hits her throat and she can make it bob like an Adams apple. You and your mates have worked her well. My compliments.

[magellan01]

Nevertheless, that's precisely why war is bad. You might find her animations not sophisticated enough but when all is said and done, what matters is what she shows : coffins and people in tears, as "simplistic" as it may be.

That is the bad part of war, any war, absolutely. And it is the bad part of this war, as well. My critique was not one of content, but of artistry. It could very well be that someone could use the same imagery and have it be more effective. I was not objecting to either her content or to the overall point she was making. I give her credit for doing something, but, sorry, her effort is sophmoric. I've had opportunity to see many short, little films by people her age and much younger, and her work does not stand up, from a creative standpoint. Now that, I think has nothing to do with the jerks who went after her. They're still scumbags.

If I could give this girl a piece of advice, creatively, it would be to not confuse the power of the photography she's using with the power of the overall communication. That will mainly come from presenting her arguement in a fresh, riveting, compelling way. It is a common mistake. It might be enough for her to gain kudos from those who already agree with her, but if that is all it does it is a missed opportunity. My guess is that she would agree with that sentiment. Then again, maybe she wouldn't.

[SteveG1]

One of the most powerful anti-war movies ever made, (if memory serves) never showed any bodies or blood. It was "On The Beach". The pure silence and emptiness the crew encountered wherever they went, and their slow descent into despair, desparation and insanity was quite chilling.

[Wolfian]

Really? You're "tired"? Why you poor thing you.

Mayhaps not all of us that oppose this particular clusterfuck are not peaceful beatniks, but rather outraged people from all walks of life that can't stand being LIED INTO AN INSANE INVASION that has done nothing but butcher endless innocent people...including and unknown number of children.

Ya know, the "We don't do body counts" bullshit.

Finally, spare me the "we got rid of Saddam" garbage and please, please, go fuck yourself with a rusty pitchfork. Shouldn't be too hard for you, seeing what a huge asshole you are.
-Winner: Cyclotouriste (http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com/messagepost.cfm?postaction=reply&catid=32&threadid=776884&messid=6606542&STARTPAGE=1&parentid=0&from=2) Memorial Zero to Radio Rental Award

[Hamadryad]

I give her credit for doing something, but, sorry, her effort is sophmoric. And at 15, she's probably a sophomore. So it all works out.

[msmith537]

Ah, another tough guy over the internet. Kinda like the people we're pitting...



Look, you red fury mass of syphillated matter you mistake for a human being, you're exactly the type of dick that makes it impossible for two sides to communicate...But probably not with you because you're a dick. Plain and simple.

... But, perhaps you can send your wife or your asshole-in-training son over to show me how it's done. I've read on the internet that she's quite amazing. She can get it so far up the handle hits her throat and she can make it bob like an Adams apple. You and your mates have worked her well. My compliments.


To: Kettle@aol.com
From: Pot123@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Your black

[tdn]

you're exactly the type of dick that makes it impossible for two sides to communicate.
Perhaps you could give us all a lesson in internet civility.

Regarding your pitchfork suggestion, since you said "please", I'll give due consideration. But, perhaps you can send your wife or your asshole-in-training son over to show me how it's done. I've read on the internet that she's quite amazing. She can get it so far up the handle hits her throat and she can make it bob like an Adams apple. You and your mates have worked her well. My compliments.
I said civility. Not hypocracy.

[lieu]

-Winner: Cyclotouriste (http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com/messagepost.cfm?postaction=reply&catid=32&threadid=776884&messid=6606542&STARTPAGE=1&parentid=0&from=2) Memorial Zero to Radio Rental AwardBwhaaa, holy shit but that was freakin' hilarious. Maybe I've committed the sin of dwelling on a theme or two before but damn if Red Fury's ubiquitous schtick of Look at me, I hate the war worse'n anyone else doesn't get older than 3.) Hi Opal. We all hate it but we sure as fuck don't masturbate to it's agony.

The only defense that I can offer for the people who e-mail abuse to the girl is that they are most probably around her age and not terribly sophisticated.Agreed. I think I'll worry myself over the internet conversations of a couple of Mountain Dew charged teenagers right after I take a nap via a dedgum .45. To each his own but you actually give a shit about this?

[magellan01]

msmith537, tdn, yeah, point taken. I probably should have just blown it off. But for that asshole to come in and start that bullshit, pissed me off. I felt I should respond to both his off-bpoint, off base accusations and his childish playground ranting. I often find myself responding to such posters in kind, in hopes that they see the assholeness of their ways. As you can see from my very next post to clairobscur, simple disagreement with me does not trigger vitriol. Still, poiint taken. A better strategy would be simply to take the higher road, even if the tactic worked this time and the idiot did scamper off. I'm working on it.

msmith537, what's with the two links at the bottom of your post? I assume one is your email. And the other?

[magellan01]

And at 15, she's probably a sophomore. So it all works out.

Nice.

[tdn]

msmith537, what's with the two links at the bottom of your post? I assume one is your email. And the other?
I'm thinking the point is not as well taken as you would have us believe. ;)

[magellan01]

Originally Posted by magellan01
msmith537, what's with the two links at the bottom of your post? I assume one is your email. And the other?

I'm thinking the point is not as well taken as you would have us believe. ;)

Huh?

[D_Odds]

magellan1, the Pot (pot123@yahoo.com) was calling the Kettle (kettle@aol.com) black ("your black").

[RedFury]

Hiya, scumbag. Touched a nerve did I? Why poor thing, you.

Great screed BTW. Did you make sure to CC the object of the OP? 'cause it sure as shit fits right along with the rest of the warmongering fucks' responses.

There ya go, blow another fuse. Or grab a rifle and go to Iraq so you can kill some other fifteen year old w/impunity.

TTFN.

[XT]

While I rarely (read: almost never) agree with rjung, I feel that the folks who would attack someone else and call them 'un-American' for excersizing their free speech rights are perhaps not the sharpest tools in the shed. Nor do they seem to grasp what it is to BE an American. This isn't a matter of whether or not the 'cartoons' were good or bad (I also found them wanting, even for a 15 year old).

Its not a matter of the message at all. Plain and simple its a matter of Free Speech...something that we, as American's, are supposed to protect and respect with almost religious passion. Its one of the fucking cornerstones of our nation after all you morons! If you don't like it, don't read it. If you wish to comment on it, by all means do so...rationally. Hell, bust a gut for all that, shout, scream, howl at the moon, call the person names if you must (we do it here in the Pit all the time after all). But when you call someone 'un-American' for expressing a decenting opinion, when you call for them to leave the country because you don't agree with what they are saying, then its YOU that are 'un-American'. Fucking twits.

Personally, its THEY that I wish would take a slow boat to another nation, because frankly I'm embarrased to call them fellow countrymen. Of course, they are probably the same age as the person they are blasting, and if so maybe they could be excused on those grounds. If they AREN'T though...well, there really is no excuse for adult citizens to be this fucking stupid.

I guess it's easier to anonymously beat up a 15-year-old girl than to hop on the next flight to Iraq and blow up some brown people...

Whew. I'm glad you put this part in there rjung. I was starting to worry a bit...whenever I agree with you on anything I have to make sure I'm feeling ok. By putting in this totally inane and stupid part to an otherwise well deserved pitting it makes me think that, perhaps, everything is still right with the world. :p

-XT

[magellan01]

Great screed BTW.

Thanks. Maybe you're not as much of a dumb fuck as I thought.

Did you make sure to CC the object of the OP? 'cause it sure as shit fits right along with the rest of the warmongering fucks' responses.

Whoops. Guess I spoke to soon. You might have noticed that I have given my explicit opinion on 1) the scumbags who are going after this 15-year-old, 2) the girl's efforts, and 3) the other scumbag: you. Now I can understand you confusing my condemnation of 1 and 3, as they are both worthy of the same, but my commentary on the girl has been 100% civil. But you know that, so I guess we can add dishonest to the string of adjectives rightfully hurled your way.

[magellan01]

Well said, xtisme. While I do not know how much rjung and I overlap philospohically, I second the substantive points made in your post 100%.

[RedFury]

Thanks. Maybe you're not as much of a dumb fuck as I thought.

Certainly not. I'm not the one that swallowed all the Bushit "reasons" for invading Iraq and butchering its citizens by the thousands. Look in the mirror if you want to see a prime "dumb fuck."

BTW, as its obvious you haven't noticed, the kid in the OP, ya know the one you said about: "I give her credit for doing something, but, sorry, her effort is sophmoric"-- is trying to stop gun-ho dickwads such as yourself. Good on her.

Thank your Mom for the gum-job, forgot to do so myself after I booted her ass out of my place.

Well then, don't forget to pick up after yourself. Hate to see all those sticky Kleenex lying around.

Cheers!

[XT]

Just a point of board lore here...is trolling permitted if its in The Pit?

-XT

[RedFury]

Just a point of board lore here...is trolling permitted if its in The Pit?

-XT

Be direct. Who the fuck is trolling? Perhaps y0u mean this post:

Regarding your pitchfork suggestion, since you said "please", I'll give due consideration. But, perhaps you can send your wife or your asshole-in-training son over to show me how it's done. I've read on the internet that she's quite amazing. She can get it so far up the handle hits her throat and she can make it bob like an Adams apple. You and your mates have worked her well. My compliments.

You get what you give. Il'l have you note that I never brought cumstain's family into the fray -- up untill he involved my son and ex-wife into this exchange.

Calling me out -- or implying -- that I am deserves a warning at a a minimum for trolling is strictly against the rules. JIC you didn't know. But I very much doubt that yu didn't...

Not that it matters to you, but you've just lost quite a bit of the respect I used to have for you. Unless of course, it's the magellan A-hole you're speaking of.Just a point of board lore here...is trolling permitted if its in The Pit?

-XT

Be direct. Who the fuck is trolling? Perhaps ypu meaqn this post:

Regarding your pitchfork suggestion, since you said "please", I'll give due consideration. But, perhaps you can send your wife or your asshole-in-training son over to show me how it's done. I've read on the internet that she's quite amazing. She can get it so far up the handle hits her throat and she can make it bob like an Adams apple. You and your mates have worked her well. My compliments.

You get what you give. Il'l have you note that I never brought cumstain's family into the fray -- up untill he involved my son and ex-wife into this exchange.

Calling me out -- or implying -- that I am deserves a warning at a a minimum for trolling is strictly against the rules. JIC you didn't know. But I very much doubt that...

Not that it matters to you, but you've justr lost quite a bit of the respect I used to have for you. Unless of course, it's the megellan A-hole you're speaking of.

Then agin, I very much doub it.

[RedFury]

My apologies. Edited version of prior post:

Just a point of board lore here...is trolling permitted if its in The Pit?

-XT

Be direct. Who the fuck is trolling? Perhaps you mean this post:

Regarding your pitchfork suggestion, since you said "please", I'll give due consideration. But, perhaps you can send your wife or your asshole-in-training son over to show me how it's done. I've read on the internet that she's quite amazing. She can get it so far up the handle hits her throat and she can make it bob like an Adams apple. You and your mates have worked her well. My compliments.

You get what you give. Il'l have you note that I never brought cumstain's family into the fray -- up untill he involved my son and ex-wife into this exchange.

Calling me out -- or implying -- that I deserve a warning at a a minimum for trolling is strictly against the rules. JIC you didn't know. But I very much doubt that you didn't...

Not that it matters to you, but you've just lost quite a bit of the respect I used to have for you. Unless of course it's the magellan A-hole you're speaking of.

Just a point of board lore here...is trolling permitted if its in The Pit?-XT

Be direct. Who the fuck is trolling? Perhaps you mean this post:

Regarding your pitchfork suggestion, since you said "please", I'll give due consideration. But, perhaps you can send your wife or your asshole-in-training son over to show me how it's done. I've read on the internet that she's quite amazing. She can get it so far up the handle hits her throat and she can make it bob like an Adams apple. You and your mates have worked her well. My compliments.

You get what you give. Il'l have you note that I never brought cumstain's family into the fray -- up untill he involved my son and ex-wife into this exchange.

Calling me out -- or implying -- that I am deserve a warning at a a minimum for trolling is strictly against the rules -- besides the fact that I am not. N ot that reading comprehension problems are a problem of mine . Just in case you didn't know...but I very much doubt that's the case here.

Not that it matters to you, but you've just lost quite a bit of the respect I used to have for you. Unless of course, it's the magellan A-hole you're speaking of.

Then again, I very much doub it.

[RedFury]

Apologies for the triple post, but the board's sllow as molasses on my end. Second post never showed-up as published. Till now that is.

[DrDeth]

Not really a Pitting as much as general mockery and jeering of this week's pack of mouth breathers:



:wally

I guess it's easier to anonymously beat up a 15-year-old girl than to hop on the next flight to Iraq and blow up some brown people...

Well, let's look at it this way: either she's mature enough to formulate her own political opinions- in which case she's adult enough to take the crap which comes with having political opinions. OR she's a kid who isn't mature enough to handle the attacks or forumlate her own opinions. Which is it?

Not that those idots are defensible, but the whole "she's a 15 yo so be nice to here" is wrong. She appears to be mature enough to formulate and promulgate her political agenda- ergo, she's going to get flack.

[DrDeth]

formulate :smack:

"she's a 15 yo so be nice to her" . :smack: :smack:

[magellan01]

You get what you give.

Well, at least you learned something. Yes, you're the one who attacked me—out of the blue—complete with pathetic mention of said pitchfork. I showed what a dumbfuck you are and gave you a nice bitch-slapping. You came back with more sputtering and showed that you can't even craft a good insult. I was tempted to bitch-slap you again, but your response was so lame it kind of took the fun out of it.

And then I scroll down and see that if my goal was to reveal the level of your stupidity and sputtering to the world, all I had to was sit back and wait for you to do it for me.

Posting that dumb, dishonest shit that oozed out of your festering brain was more than I could have hoped for. Even once. But for you to include it TWICE :rolleyes: :rolleyes: in the same post—and then post the whole dishonest, nonsensical mess THREE TIMES! :D :smack: :D :smack: :D :smack: I must say, I had great respect for the degree of your dumbfuckness, but you proved my imagination deficient. And then you try to lie your way out of your stupidity.

Well done, Red Furry Dumb Fuck. Well done.

One more thing. It is also a violation, I believe, to change a poster's name within the post box. Not, evidently, that you care.

[Bryan Ekers]

One more thing. It is also a violation, I believe, to change a poster's name within the post box.

You feel naked without your 01? Okay, General Lee.

[levdrakon]

All in all, she’s made about seventy of them, she says, and most of them oppose Bush and his Iraq War.

“I was just so mad about it,” she explains. “And the media are not showing the real images of the war, so I did a lot research and started my own website.”

Ha, ha, ha, ha! She was "so mad about it." The media wasn't showing "real images." She did "a lot of research." She started her own website.

Now our poor widdle 15-year-old "peace activist" is upset because someone exercised his freedom of speech and said he'd "jack off on your parents if I could."

Get over it honey-bunny. Life's rough on you freedom of speech wielding "peace activists."

“WWJD” (“What Would Jesus Do”) is a powerful animation that features a soundtrack of a child singing “Jesus loves me, this I know” while one picture after another of a wounded, bloody, or screaming Iraqi child fills the screen.

She can come up with shit like that and she's "unprepared for the viciousness of the negative feedback?"

Aw, too bad, pooky-wooky.

[XT]

Be direct. Who the fuck is trolling? Perhaps y0u mean this post

Actually, IMHO, you both are (which means nothing since I'm no mod). It was a serious question...can you bait someone in The Pit, er, legally? It seems the answer is 'yes'.

Carry on. Its facinating to watch the childishness on both sides, and to watch you melt down...you don't do it by half measures, thats for sure.

-XT

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

she's going to get flack. [nitpick pets her peeve]

It's "flak", not "flack".

Flak: Antiaircraft artillery (from Fl(ieger)a(bwehr)k(anone), aircraft-defense gun); excessive or abusive criticism

Flack: PR flunky; Scotty McClellan

[D_Odds]

You feel naked without your 01? Okay, General Lee.
Well, he also went from magellan to megellan. Hard to tell which one is being more petty about this. Guess it depends on if Reb purposefully changed the name.

[Bryan Ekers]

Guess it depends on if Reb purposefully changed the name.

I doubt it. He'd've had to type magellan's name manually since his post also contained quotes from xtisme, and the software isn't set up for easy multi-source quoting. Dropping the "01" is reasonable enough, and changing "a" to "e" is just a typo.

Magellan so ain't gellin'.

[tdn]

magellan1, the Pot (pot123@yahoo.com) was calling the Kettle (kettle@aol.com) black ("your black").
Precisely.

And pot123 is still a lovely shade of sable.

[RedFury]

Actually, IMHO, you both are (which means nothing since I'm no mod). It was a serious question...can you bait someone in The Pit, er, legally? It seems the answer is 'yes'.

Carry on. Its facinating to watch the childishness on both sides, and to watch you melt down...you don't do it by half measures, thats for sure.

-XT

Fair enough. And you're right, scuzzball01 is not worth the rise.

---

Bryan,

Right you are -- only I'm not sure whether it was a typo or my (increasingly) poor eyesight.

[Giraffe]

Actually, IMHO, you both are (which means nothing since I'm no mod). It was a serious question...can you bait someone in The Pit, er, legally? It seems the answer is 'yes'.

Carry on. Its facinating to watch the childishness on both sides, and to watch you melt down...you don't do it by half measures, thats for sure.

-XTxtisme, trolling is indeed against the rules in the Pit, as is accusing others of trolling.

[DrDeth]

[nitpick pets her peeve]

It's "flak", not "flack".

Flak: Antiaircraft artillery (from Fl(ieger)a(bwehr)k(anone), aircraft-defense gun); excessive or abusive criticism

Flack: PR flunky; Scotty McClellan

Well, I do usually spell it "flak", but:

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/flack
flack
A noun
1 antiaircraft, antiaircraft gun, flak, flack, pom-pom, ack-ack, ack-ack gun

artillery designed to shoot upward at airplanes

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flack
. flack

crap, or abuse; excess pressure on oneself; burdens or weight added by unecessary trials or psychological pressures

My teacher gave me flack for talking in class; Why can't you keep the flack light when I'm trying to study?

2. Flack

Flack: Based on the word flak, flack is the sensation that one is being attacked by something that doesn't make direct hits while still causing trouble or damage.

Tucker's latest post really flacked me.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flack
flack 2 (flk)
n.
Variant of flak.

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861611902/flack.html

flack (2)
flack
noun
Definition:
arms
Another spelling of flak

http://www.bartleby.com/61/79/F0157900.html
flack2
NOUN: Variant of flak.

:p

[XT]

xtisme, trolling is indeed against the rules in the Pit

:dubious: If you say so.

as is accusing others of trolling.

I notice which got a response though. But...fair enough. Its your board after all. :p

-XT

[magellan01]

Fair enough. And you're right, scuzzball01 is not worth the rise.

Then why did you bother in the first place, shithead? :rolleyes:

And then continue, only to reveal yourself to be an unhinged ass? Man, you're a dumb fuck. But if you're now so happy to have slayed me with such an imaginative cutting insult (and you used red!) that you're happy to crawl back under your rock, and not respond to me or offer you blabbering commentary on my posts, everybody wins!!

In closing, I would like to congratulate you, though, on the award bestowed upon you by Wolfian. No one can ever take that away from you.

[Giraffe]

:dubious: If you say so.I was a bit terse in my first reponse -- I'll clarify. Trolling as we define it is a pattern of behavior, not a singular act. Consistently taking up false positions to try to piss people off is trolling. Consistently hijacking threads in order to bait people is trolling. Getting mad and saying rude things to someone in the Pit is not trolling. Making a silly, over-the-top argument which provoke hostility in others is not trolling.

We don't want to intercede in arguments between posters, especially in the Pit. That would make for a shitty message board. If someone is being an asshole or saying stupid things, crush them with brilliant insights and caustic mockery. Attention-seeking trolls, on the other hand, crave the mockery and attention so we would rather you informed us when you suspected someone of posting only to cause problems. Any attention-seeking/inflammatory behavior which you believe should result in moderator action should be handled via email/reported posts, not in-thread accusations. So, by definition, if you believe someone is breaking the "no trolling" rule, you should not say so in the thread.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

Well, I do usually spell it "flak", but:
:p Yeh, I know. But given the derivation of the word, and its comparatively recent coinage, it drives me mildly berserk to see it spelled with that extraneous C, not least because I suspect the extra letter crept in there through the misspellings of those unable to distinguish the two words.

:: sigh :: It isn't easy being nitpicky. ;)

[XT]

I was a bit terse in my first reponse -- I'll clarify. Trolling as we define it is a pattern of behavior, not a singular act. Consistently taking up false positions to try to piss people off is trolling. Consistently hijacking threads in order to bait people is trolling. Getting mad and saying rude things to someone in the Pit is not trolling. Making a silly, over-the-top argument which provoke hostility in others is not trolling.

I appreciate you taking the time to clarify for me. You'd think that I'd have been here long enough to know this stuff. I have to admit that this wasn't my own definition of 'trolling', but it makes sense. Sorry I was an ass about all this...I guess the back and forth comments there about mothers and such just hit me wrong.

We don't want to intercede in arguments between posters, especially in the Pit. That would make for a shitty message board. If someone is being an asshole or saying stupid things, crush them with brilliant insights and caustic mockery. Attention-seeking trolls, on the other hand, crave the mockery and attention so we would rather you informed us when you suspected someone of posting only to cause problems. Any attention-seeking/inflammatory behavior which you believe should result in moderator action should be handled via email/reported posts, not in-thread accusations. So, by definition, if you believe someone is breaking the "no trolling" rule, you should not say so in the thread.

I didn't want to look like an idiot reporting the posts if it wasn't trolling (which it appears it wasn't in fact), so I asked the question. It really wasn't supposed to be a coy way of calling someone a troll in a backhanded fashion, but a real question (I don't actually hang out here in the Pit very often). When asked directly I by Red I gave my honest opinion...to me it DID seem to be trolling, or at least beyond the pale.

In any case, I've hijacked this thread enough with my inane questions. I apologize for breaking the rule and will note it for future reference. Consider me spanked. :p

-XT

[rjung]

Not that those idots are defensible, but the whole "she's a 15 yo so be nice to here" is wrong.
I never said anything like "they should be nice to her". I just think someone is fundamentally ill in the head if they have to issue threats of physical harm on a minor.

[Giraffe]

I didn't want to look like an idiot reporting the posts if it wasn't trolling (which it appears it wasn't in fact), so I asked the question. It really wasn't supposed to be a coy way of calling someone a troll in a backhanded fashion, but a real question (I don't actually hang out here in the Pit very often). When asked directly I by Red I gave my honest opinion...to me it DID seem to be trolling, or at least beyond the pale.

In any case, I've hijacked this thread enough with my inane questions. I apologize for breaking the rule and will note it for future reference. Consider me spanked. :pxtisme, we're cool. Note that I wasn't Warning you in my first message, and really should have done the clarification thing in the first pass instead of just a drive-by admonishment. I think the trolling rules are at least somewhat confusing to a lot of people, so we'll tend to cut you some slack if you are honestly just trying to puzzle out the rules. (Although as a general rule these types of discussions really should be in their own thread.)

Definitely don't hesitate to report posts -- even if a post is deemed to be within the rules, we always appreciate having potential problems brought to our attention.

[jlzania]

I never said anything like "they should be nice to her". I just think someone is fundamentally ill in the head if they have to issue threats of physical harm on a minor.
Actually,I'm not sure that her age is entirely the issue here.
In my book, people that express the semtiment that someone should be raped or executed for their political beliefs is one sick mo-fo.
Period.