Bebop / Rebop

[Johanna]

What's the difference?

[smiling bandit]

Not much. If you're looking for a bunch ofnew content, you won't find it.

[RealityChuck]

Bebop is a style of jazz. Rebop (http://tinyurl.com/nl6ls) is a drummer.

[Marley23]

Put them together, of course, and you get rhubarb pie.

[Bippy the Beardless]

Not much. If you're looking for a bunch ofnew content, you won't find it.
That'd be Cowboy Bebop.

Bebop = Rebop and are both = Bop

[Sir Not Appearing on This Site]

Its just a repacking the episodes on DVD in the US.

[Fear Itself]

Put them together, of course, and you get rhubarb pie.Which is, of course, great with Powdermilk Bisquits.

[Johanna]

The various theories on the origins of these terms include... "bebop" is imitative of the flatted fifth step in the scale, which first appeared in jazz/blues during that era; "rebop" comes from the Spanish exclamation "¡Arriba!"...

Personally, I can't help thinking of the terms when listening to one of the very first recorded sides of this new music, "Groovin' High" (1945) by Dizzy Gillespie with Charlie Parker. It opens with a couple of short, snappy two-note phrases. The second of these, IIRC, starts with a grace note. Sounds like the horns themselves are saying "Bebop! Rebop!"

[Rysdad]

Shebop?

[Zeldar]

The various theories on the origins of these terms include... "bebop" is imitative of the flatted fifth step in the scale, which first appeared in jazz/blues during that era; <snip>

I'm curious how this works: the flatted fifth (or sharped fourth/eleventh) is just one tone, so how do the two syllables get in there?

One version I heard a while back was that Kenny Clarke's drumming had that "be bop" sound as frequent accents to a basic high-hat rhythm. He even had the nickname of Klook-a-mop, if I have my jazz trivia right.

I suspect the actual origin of either of these terms and other variants is either so trivial as to be forgotten as to who said it and when, or so dependent on some specific individual (Dizzy seems a natural for it) that just why it was chosen is not going to be determined by latter day scholars.

[Johanna]

I'm curious how this works: the flatted fifth (or sharped fourth/eleventh) is just one tone, so how do the two syllables get in there?Because it's a smeared tone when it's a blue note, a smooth microtonal transition between an upper and lower endpoint in pitch.One version I heard a while back was that Kenny Clarke's drumming had that "be bop" sound as frequent accents to a basic high-hat rhythm. He even had the nickname of Klook-a-mop, if I have my jazz trivia right.Yeah and then the next thing you know, "Rump-titty-titty-tum-TAH-tee!" founded a whole new genre of music, Drum 'n' Drag. (I always suspected that story was a dirty joke in disguise.) I suspect the actual origin of either of these terms and other variants is either so trivial as to be forgotten as to who said it and when, or so dependent on some specific individual (Dizzy seems a natural for it) that just why it was chosen is not going to be determined by latter day scholars.
I bet it was just from musicians demonstrating phrases to each other with voice, when not actually playing their instruments, the way musicians always communicate to one another when rehearsing. Voices imitating how they play their horns. Scat.

[Exapno Mapcase]

Deep Purple had a song called "Hey Bop a Re-Bop" on their The Book of Taliesyn album.

Problem is, I'm sure I remembered that phrase from some earlier time but that's the only hit I got when I went looking for it. I'm convinced that the phrase is from a song much older than rock music but I couldn't find any more information with a quick search.

[Zeldar]

.Yeah and then the next thing you know, "Rump-titty-titty-tum-TAH-tee!" founded a whole new genre of music, Drum 'n' Drag. (I always suspected that story was a dirty joke in disguise.)


You might enjoy this article (http://www.lphares.com/hhjs/page15.html) then.

[Bippy the Beardless]

You might enjoy this article (http://www.lphares.com/hhjs/page15.html) then.
Arrgggh!, someone shoot that webpage designer.

Is the song
Well, be-bop-a-lula, she's my baby
Be-bop-a-lula, I don't mean maybe
Be-bop-a-lula, she's my baby
Be-bop-a-lula, I don't mean maybe
Be-bop-a-lula, she's my baby love
My baby love, my baby love

actually Bebop music?

[Exapno Mapcase]

It was rockabilly, the way Gene Vincent handled it. I don't think it was ever meant to be jazz.

Here's a good page (http://www.history-of-rock.com/vincent.htm) on Vincent.

[Spectre of Pithecanthropus]

I rebop was a slang term for 'bullshit', as when Stanley Kowalski tells Blanche DuBois to "cut the rebop!" in A Streetcar Named Desire.