water in hoses

Why does the stream of water coming out of a garden hose sometimes look "twisted"? David Feldman didn't answer this one for me.

Because your holding the hose wrong. If you hold the hose perfectly straight the water will come out straight. ;)

You're familiar with the concept of rifling in a gun barrel that causes the bullet to spin? If the material of the hose is twisted - cheap hoses usually are, the more expensive ones won't be - the twist will channel the flow of water so that it emerges in that pattern. Go flush your toilet and watch how the direction the water is forced out of the hose in the rim and the shape of the bowl create the swirl that cleans the bowl so neatly . . .

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sosumi

I guess that is why artillery shells (in drawings, at least) are shown spinning. And why when a football is thrown for a long pass, the ball spins.

Actually the good hoses are the ones that are twisted. The rifling effect that was mentioned is indeed true and for the same reasons that dougie mentions, distance and accuracy for the bullets and footballs holds true for water from hoses.

You see back in the days of ancient Rome, when water presure was not as good as it is today, the water came out of the hose very weakly. It was hardly good enough to put out fires or to pressure wash your siding. Well one of the lesser known Roman thinkers, Aristhrotle, decided that hose technology needed to be improved. So he began forming an idea about a spinning object and the distance it can travel. He knew that the best quarterbacks threw the ball with a spiral motion and his trusty rifle caused the bullet to spin. As he examined his rifle much more closely, he determined that the spirals in the barrel (later known as rifling) probably caused the spin and the accuracy. So he set about trying to create a water hose that was twisted. After manny years of failures, he finally developed the first twisty hose.

The fire fighters loved this new hose, there was greater accuracy, greater distance, and less recoil. All of these benefited the fireman greatly. Those wanting to water their lawns, pressure wash the house, or just annoy the neighbor loved these new hoses as well.

Well after the fall of the Roman empire, the twisty hose idea was lost. It was patented and stored in the Great library of Alexandria on the invention story floor, 57th I believe. But when the library burned down, no one in Alexandria had such a hose, the specs were lost. It was not until 1974 that an enterprising young woman, by the name of Aqua Marine, re-discovered the twisty hose and its many benefits.

Usually you have to shop at your better gardening centers to find one, though you can probably order one off of the net.

Jeffery

Doing my part to keep the public infirmed.

Do you mean that if twisty hoses had been available in ancient Egypt, the Alexandrian library might have been saved? What a tragedy - the plans for the one thing that could have saved it gone up in smoke!

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sosumi

Yeah, isn't it ironic that the plans that could have saved the library were not used and were subsequently lost until 1974 (not really found then, but rediscovered).

Jeffery

Are you sure it wasn't Aqua Nette?

Actually, for close-in work, like roses, I prefer an unrifled, sawed-off shothose (w/paratrooper stock).

Sure, beatle, but for precision hosing you must have the rifled hose. It does the absolute best job with the most accuracy.

As for Zyada's comment, no Aqua Nette was the unknown partner of the main (name on the patent) inventor Aqua Marine.

Jeffery

Every time I see this thread I think it says "Water in horses."

Every time I see this thread I think it says "Water in horses."
---pldennison
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It does say........
Oh!
Sheesh.
Peace,
mangeorge


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I've never seen this effect, and I don't for a minute believe water inside a hose "twists" at all, let alone retains any of that motion once it's left the nozzle.

If there were any centripetal force acting on that water, as would be necessary for the stream to twist, it would fly outwards into space once the constraining barrel of the hose was left behind.

Y'all are hallucinating or something.

I can't believe you've never seen this! I think a lot depends on the water pressure, but it does happen - the 'twisting' only lasts a few inches from the hose.

Go to your nearest rocky stream and watch how the water twists, folds, and otherwise arranges itself as it flows over and around rocks.

Just don't get hypnotized and fall in like I do!



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sosumi

I told you guys that you have to buy the hose at one of your finer gardening stores. They don't sell these things at Wal-Mart.

Jeffery

I'm not quite sure, but I think we're getting hosed, mg.

Yup.
mangeorge

I agree with Nickrz, I think. Once the water leaves the hose the only change in direction will be due to gravity or wind. Or splash.
Peace,
mangeorge

Nick, MG, obviously you guys are all wet.

You have taken these ideas and twisted them, like the water out of a fine hose.

If you are going to spray this thread with watered down facts, then I suggest you be beaten with twisted water hoses.

Jeffery

Where's Mr. Wizard when you need him!
Take one of those "Fun Straws", cut it off at the end of the spiral, blow water through, and see if the water continues to spiral after it leaves the straw.
Life is fun. ;)
Peace,
mangeorge

I checked websites of various companies that make hoses (Gilmour, Flexon). None of them mention a special twisty variety.


Alphagene

They are naturally not going to mention their special hoses on their regular web page. You have to know the secret message to send them in a special e-mail and then the link will be forwarded back to you.

I would give you guys the link but since you seem to doubt the veracity of the hose story, then you do not seem to be worthy of such a hose.

Jeffery

Gimme the damn twisty hose link, StrTrkr777.
I know where you live.
Peace,
mangeorge

You did not say the magic word, MG.

Jeffery

Sorry, Nickrz, I have seen this twisting effect in hoses since childhood. And with me that's going back 40 years or more. I am also an experienced gardener and have handled all manner of hoses, sprinklers, and spigots.

At the risk of appearing gender-blind, are you guys girls, or do you all just sit to pee? I see empirical evidence of the twisty-hose effect everytime I drain my lizard, and I can report that it is maintained a least 4 to 5 inches beyond the, um, uh, "spigot". (And you can just knock off the tittering about "cheap" vs. "expensive" hoses, mangeorge!) Centripetal force not withstanding, Nickrz, the stream appears to twist around itself; check it out yourself (if you dare!!)

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TT

"Equal Opportunity means everybody has the same chance at being incompetent."
--Dr. Lawrence J. Peter

I have handled, obviously, only ONE "spigot" of the kind you imply, Thufferin; don't get crude. And yes, I have seen the stream of urine look "twisted." (Before you ask, this was not the topic of my original question. Garden hoses were.)

You guys can still see your "hoses"? Mine disappeared about 10 yrs. ago. :)
Peace,
mangeorge.

I doubt that you are truly seeing the water twist around itself but rather seeing streams of water coming out of the spigot at slightly different angles due to imperfetions in the edge of the spigot. The water looks like seperate twisted streams but then joins back together b/c the angle difference was not great enough to overcome the attractive force between water molecules.

Well,Man, since you can't see yours, I think you hit on it earlier. "water in horses" indeed. Check that out and see if it spirals.

mg - You might want to try that newfangled "mirror" contraption just to say "hi."

Touche, Nickrz!
This is diffrerent from the erratic stream of water coming out of a home faucet, caused by sediment in the filter screen in the spigot head. A lump of sediment can ruin a good stream of water out of the kitchen or bathroom sink tap.

Thanks for the tip, Nick.
Yep, it's still there. It's just hiding down there, below my dunlap. Looks kinda cute. :)
Peace,
mangeorge